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Alan Scott solos

I dont see Alan Soloing.
I think team 1 wins but Vulcan has good feats of manipulating magic energy IIRC and will give Alan a good fight.

Even if Glads is full confidence I see him as having a hard fight vs Billy and hes not often full confidence

DC wins unless Vulcan can dominate Alan. If so, Marvel takes it. Gladiator should be able to defeat Shazam imo.

Anybody on team 1 beats anybody on team 2.

i'm not sure about that....vulcan is a bad match for alan imo, and potentially for billy if lightning is brought to bear. i'd take marvel here. sneer

Originally posted by leonidas
i'm not sure about that....vulcan is a bad match for alan imo, and potentially for billy if lightning is brought to bear. i'd take marvel here. sneer
Just because Vulcan drained Warlock doesn't mean he can drain Alan.

Havok simply beat the shit out of him once he was amped on a portion of a star. Alan would do worse.

well, you WERE on a roll..... there's really no reason he wouldn't drain or simply manipulate alan's energy.

Originally posted by leonidas
well, you WERE on a roll..... there's really no reason he wouldn't drain or simply manipulate alan's energy.
Because Alan is simply too powerful. Only his willpower contains energy enough to destroy entire solar system.

http://i.imgur.com/jcqUUse.jpg

Warlock is hardly at that level. You're really following a no limit fallacy here.

But say Vulcan vs Silver Surfer? Vulcan vs Thanos? Can he drain them?

if ss fought the way he normally does with blasts, he'd be in for a surprise. ss has shown vulnerability to draining as well, but his more exotic powers don't require direct energy blasts. he'd likely ko vulcan with a board attack to the back of the head or something. fighting him with straight up energy would not go well though. as for thanos--he's something different. i doubt he'd be blasting vulcan into unconsciousness and he could simply power through blasts and i don't think messing with the electricity in thanos's brain would do much either.

alan would literally be attacking with energy constructs. so no, i don't see that being effective--at all--against vulcan. we saw what he did against the eldest and i see no reason he couldn't do the same to alan, at least most of the time. he could also simply mess with the chemistry in alan's brain in a number of ways as well. his shields wouldn't mean much against vulcan imo.

Alan solos.

Originally posted by leonidas
if ss fought the way he normally does with blasts, he'd be in for a surprise. ss has shown vulnerability to draining as well, but his more exotic powers don't require direct energy blasts.

Seriously?

Unless you're Havok. Or Black Bolt.




https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-fHFM5nx-EYA/Wc-VOIuX6GI/AAAAAAAACqM/GTl4BcYc9aoRHQmU38R3BCr2SzfEuCa3ACHMYCw/s1600/RCO017.jpg

I like how Thanos or Surfer get a pass here.

Yeah, except Alan doesn't has a human body or brain, he is simply green flame given a body.

Vulcan simply broke the link of Eldest. Here is Havok not having much effect on Vulcan.

http://imgur.com/a/OpKRO

Oh right, he straight up beat the shit out of Vulcan.

I legitimately find it so weird how energy manipulators/absorbers get a no-limits label attached to them. Not everybody is Mjolnir. It's like saying somebody has super-strength, so that means he is as strong as he needs to be.

Excluding Havok being too powerful to overpower with energy control -- what feats does Vulcan have that overpowers Alan's will ?

If anything, Green Lanterns - whose very will control everything they create in its entirety - would be harder to drain than Surfer/etc.

You legitimately have to argue that in a non-PIS environment their will gets overpowered so that they can't hold their constructs.

People seriously think CM beats Gladiator???!

His track record against peers isn't that good.

Even rookie GLs can drain the power back.

https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Justice-League-2016/Issue-5?id=89391

lol what you mean?
CA has very little showings. the guy routinely ties with Superman, i mean if you wanna scale of their fights than by all means

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
lol what you mean?
CA has very little showings. the guy routinely ties with Superman, i mean if you wanna scale of their fights than by all means Wut? Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
People seriously think CM beats Gladiator???!

His track record against peers isn't that good.
How does this tie with that?

my point exactly. besides tieing a holding back superman, he doesn't have too many combat showings

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
my point exactly. besides tieing a holding back superman, he doesn't have too many combat showings
facepalm

Originally posted by abhilegend
Seriously?

Unless you're Havok. Or Black Bolt.




https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-fHFM5nx-EYA/Wc-VOIuX6GI/AAAAAAAACqM/GTl4BcYc9aoRHQmU38R3BCr2SzfEuCa3ACHMYCw/s1600/RCO017.jpg

I like how Thanos or Surfer get a pass here.

Yeah, except Alan doesn't has a human body or brain, he is simply green flame given a body.

Vulcan simply broke the link of Eldest. Here is Havok not having much effect on Vulcan.

http://imgur.com/a/OpKRO

Oh right, he straight up beat the shit out of Vulcan.

your lowballing proficiency is showing again. so you're saying what? alan will attack at the start with some portion of the power of a...star...?

and if you want to use that thanos showing as typical, then conclude from it that vulcan can beat him by messing with the electricity in his head....i applaud you. i think you're losing it, but i applaud the bold stance.

not sure how ss gets a pass. lol i just said if he attacks with energy i think ss could be in trouble. vulcan CAN be beaten physically (hence the board attack), but it takes someone stronger and better at h2h than black bolt, who was getting his head kicked in physically for most of their fight. vulcan also controlled black bolt's energy, though he didn't get a chance to control a full on scream which he reformed from very shortly after receiving.

warlock as quantum magician had some very solid feats (his spell that sealed a fissure parsecs wide by controlling faith energy was pretty ridiculous--which you'll no doubt lowball....) and vulcan controlled his power effortlessly. adam went so far as to call him one of the most powerful beings he'd ever encountered. and he superseded the energy of an entire race in order to cut it off from the eldest--after he effortlessly broke gladiator's arm.

if you and phil think i'm giving him a some sort of no limits control, i'm not seeing it. where did he fail to control someone's energy? he easily dealt with havok on a different occasion, easily wiped out rachel a couple times. and now he is literally facing a guy MADE of energy but you think alan will what--just....blast him with energy? attack him like his power wouldn't affect him or his constructs at all? i confess that i don't get it.

it isn't no limits to think his power would very badly impact a high herald MADE of energy. /shrug

do you see vulcan beating Shazam?

no, that it too high to say. THAT would be a no limits fallacy. extending his ability up to a high herald isn't. at least imo.

Surely Alan is above HH?

Well, amped Havok clearly overpowered his energy control https://i.imgur.com/5qm0y5S.jpg]...what he does with 'normal' Havok is a different matter entirely. Black Bolt was also able to control his energy https://imgur.com/a/khStV8S] before he got overwhelmed physically. I'm not saying he is not good -- but I don't agree with how high you put him here. I don't think that he's even the best energy manipulator in the low-herald tier. /shrug

Don't the Summers brothers have partial immunity to each others powers? If so, using Havok as some sort of gauge may be faulty logic. I actually thought that they had full immunity to each others powers until I saw those scans. Could the writer have erred a little when writing that story? Weird.

Originally posted by leonidas
your lowballing proficiency is showing again. so you're saying what? alan will attack at the start with some portion of the power of a...star...?

Even Alan's normal blasts can harm him, but why not?

Well, you're the one who said it wouldn't work but it did work.

Except you said energy attacks aren't effective against him, what was Black Bolt scream again?

Reforming isn't indicative of immunity from energy attacks as you describe.



Why? It was entirely the power of the faith of his followers.

Oh no, how can anybody counter THAT?

Not effortlessly no, The Eldest beat the shit out of him before he figured it out.

https://i.postimg.cc/CR6q9xPq/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/n9Zjqjz6/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/184H8TbD/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/N2g8BP19/image.jpg

And it was Havok who pointed it out to him before the Eldest was beating him and Gladiator again.

https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/X-Men-Emperor-Vulcan/Issue-4?id=42288


Havok and Rachel harmed him enough with their energy blasts, it's not controlling the power, it's your assertion that no energy blasts can take him down.

Well, he has to overcome Alan's will first. Good luck with that.