The Secrets of the Jedi

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Galan007
http://i.imgur.com/ApXI8gPl.jpg

Galan007
*Interestingly enough, the last page confirms that Snoke's mastery of the dark side = Palpatine's... At least according to Luke.

Mendax
Also mentions that Luke was communicating with Yoda, Anakin, and Obi-Wan over the years up until closing himself off from the force. Very cool to know because I wasn't really sure what that dynamic was during TLJ.

Will get this for sure. thumb upthumb up

Total Warrior
Sounds pretty interesting

Zenwolf
Originally posted by Galan007
*Interestingly enough, the last page confirms that Snoke's mastery of the dark side = Palpatine's... At least according to Luke.

I can't really take that seriously given what TLJ did and what Rise is gonna do apparently..

...Artwork looks nice tho.

Galan007
It just tells us that in Luke's opinion, Snoke's mastery of the dark side was on par with Palpatine's as of RotJ... Or at least, what he knew of Palpatine's mastery.

What happens in RoS may not contradict that.

Zenwolf
Originally posted by Galan007
It just tells us that in Luke's opinion, Snoke's mastery of the dark side was on par with Palpatine's as of RotJ... Or at least, what he knew of Palpatine's mastery.

What happens in RoS may not contradict that.

Well I mean I wasn't trying to say RoS is gonna do anything contradicting, just the way it's going, since...well Snoke is dead. Unless they do something crazy with bringing him back, seen a lot of crazy stuff going around. O.o

You saw that Rey might be lifting the Death Star?!

Galan007
Is that the new rumor... That she's going to lift the Death Star section shown in the preview?

If she does... Holy shit.

Zenwolf
Originally posted by Galan007
Is that the new rumor... That she's going to lift the Death Star section shown in the preview?

If she does... Holy shit.

Well that's the rumor going around, Peter Sciretta tweeted that if we wanted hints about the movie, look to the early concepts of Rise...which one posted was the DS rising up from the sand.

Although they said it was part of a dream sequence back then...but hey, with the way things are going, it wouldn't surprise me....

Jaggarath
Originally posted by Galan007
*Interestingly enough, the last page confirms that Snoke's mastery of the dark side = Palpatine's... At least according to Luke.

Well, Luke could be saying Snoke's powers are equal to "a Sith" rather than Palpatine specifically, given how it's worded.

ares834
God this is so damn stupid. This is clearly written after Luke met Rey and reconnected with the force. So, what, he wrote this book in a handful of hours?

facepalm

Disney "Canon" strikes again.

Galan007
Originally posted by Jaggarath
Well, Luke could be saying Snoke's powers are equal to "a Sith" rather than Palpatine specifically, given how it's worded. I suppose so, though the implication seems to be that he is drawing a comparison between Palpatine and Snoke. If he were just comparing Snoke to some random/generic Sith Lord, he likely wouldn't have mentioned Palpatine in the same breath, imo.

Originally posted by ares834
God this is so damn stupid. This is clearly written after Luke met Rey and reconnected with the force. So, what, he wrote this book in a handful of hours?

facepalm

Disney "Canon" strikes again. Or maybe he just finished a few final blurbs regarding Rey and whatnot, and everything else had already been written? /shrug

Darth Thor
Originally posted by Jaggarath
Well, Luke could be saying Snoke's powers are equal to "a Sith" rather than Palpatine specifically, given how it's worded.


Cant read it. Whats the exact wording?

Galan007
"Unlike Emperor Palpatine before him, Snoke was not a Sith Lord, but his mastery of the dark side was equally as impressive -- and terrifying."

Darth Thor
^ Yep sounds like a comparison to Palpatine.

But even if they are equal in the Force, that just confirms Palpatine kills him in Sabers. Given Snoke has no advantage.

ares834
Originally posted by Galan007
Or maybe he just finished a few final blurbs regarding Rey and whatnot, and everything else had already been written? /shrug

If it was only the short blurb at the end, sure. But he is talking about Rey right at the beginning of section about light (**** this term) force abilities.

The Merchant
Why are the pics so blurry sorry maybe it's just me.

Galan007
They're just low res previews.

Unbowed
That's disappointing. I expected Snoke to be twice as strong as ROTJ Palpatine.

Oh well, that just leaves Krayt then...

Galan007
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Galan007
So this came out. Bear in mind, the whole thing is supposed to be written by Luke, but some of his insights are interesting.

Here are a few key pages...

http://i.imgur.com/eqk96j1m.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/OAxu9Gcm.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/AgH6jzsm.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/SW3zV4fm.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/kIwE09Ym.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/axwbwtcm.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/3nUAO2pm.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/MCdbcWXm.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/CyRVDR1m.jpg

ares834
The photos are too blurry to make out. Does it say anything interesting?

Galan007
Hmm... The thumbnails are clickable, and readable on my end. Strange. mmm

Anyway, there are a few decent little tidbits in the book, but nothing late-breaking at first glance.

Luke mentioned that Mace might have bested Palpatine in combat if Anakin hadn't interfered, he likened Snoke's power to Palpatine's, he mentioned that Vader's castle was designed by Lord Momin, he mentioned scouring the galaxy for any and all force-related knowledge after RotJ, he expanded on his perceived "failures" as a Jedi Master, he mentioned that Quinlan Vos was rumored to have survived Order 66, etc.

Darth Thor
^ Luke knows about the Mace vs Palpatine fight? Kinda strange thing for him to read up on, let alone have an opinion on who would have won, but okay.

Total Warrior
Give me some Vos content already, stop teasing him Disney sad

NewGuy01
I thought this came out some time ago?

EDIT: Ah, there were preview pages.

ares834
Originally posted by Galan007
Hmm... The thumbnails are clickable, and readable on my end. Strange. mmm

Anyway, there are a few decent little tidbits in the book, but nothing late-breaking at first glance.

Luke mentioned that Mace might have bested Palpatine in combat if Anakin hadn't interfered, he likened Snoke's power to Palpatine's, he mentioned that Vader's castle was designed by Lord Momin, he mentioned scouring the galaxy for any and all force-related knowledge after RotJ, he expanded on his perceived "failures" as a Jedi Master, he mentioned that Quinlan Vos was rumored to have survived Order 66, etc.

Thanks. Must have been my phone as when I tried to zoom in they remained blurry. Look fine now on my PC.

"He may have managed to survive his duel with Obi-Wan Kenobi on Mustafar, but for all intents and purposes, the man who was once Anakin Skywalker died on that lava-drenched world."

facepalm

Do the people working for Disney on SW even bother to watch the OT? Jesus Christ. It's like they missed the whole ****in point of Luke's character.

Zenwolf
Originally posted by ares834
Thanks. Must have been my phone as when I tried to zoom in they remained blurry. Look fine now on my PC.

"He may have managed to survive his duel with Obi-Wan Kenobi on Mustafar, but for all intents and purposes, the man who was once Anakin Skywalker died on that lava-drenched world."

facepalm

Do the people working for Disney on SW even bother to watch the OT? Jesus Christ. It's like they missed the whole ****in point of Luke's character.

The Last Jedi, Ares...TLJ...

Galan007
Originally posted by Darth Thor
^ Luke knows about the Mace vs Palpatine fight? Kinda strange thing for him to read up on, let alone have an opinion on who would have won, but okay. Luke mentioned that he communicated with the ghosts of Yoda, Kenobi, and Anakin after the events of RotJ... So maybe Anakin's ghost filled him in on what little he saw of that conflict..? Dunno.

Originally posted by ares834
Thanks. Must have been my phone as when I tried to zoom in they remained blurry. Look fine now on my PC.

"He may have managed to survive his duel with Obi-Wan Kenobi on Mustafar, but for all intents and purposes, the man who was once Anakin Skywalker died on that lava-drenched world."

facepalm

Do the people working for Disney on SW even bother to watch the OT? Jesus Christ. It's like they missed the whole ****in point of Luke's character. I think he meant in that moment Anakin Skywalker died... Which is kind of true where Disney canon is concerned. When Vader lost on Mustafar and donned 'the suit', Anakin Skywalker ceased to exist(at least in his own mind.) They've made it a point to reiterate this.

-In Rebels, for example, Vader states: "Anakin Skywalker was weak. I destroyed him!" (he made similar comments in the novels as well.)
-In a few different novels Vader has also referred to his past self as "the Jedi", like Anakin is an entirely different person.
-In the comics we see Vader's astral/force form destroy the last remaining remnants of light within him.
etc.


It wasn't until Luke came along years later that the 'good' in Vader began to resurface... I only mention this because later in the book Luke does comment on being able to sense that Vader's turn to the dark side was not absolute and that Anakin Skywalker *could* still be redeemed:
https://i.imgur.com/7Hu4XXf.jpg

...Which makes it even more hilarious to me that he legitimately considered murdering Kylo in his sleep, "cuz teh darkness!!!" Lol.

ares834

Zenwolf
Originally posted by Galan007


...Which makes it even more hilarious to me that he legitimately considered murdering Kylo in his sleep, "cuz teh darkness!!!" Lol.

Must have been really dark darkness..mmm

Darth Thor
Originally posted by Galan007
Luke mentioned that he communicated with the ghosts of Yoda, Kenobi, and Anakin after the events of RotJ... So maybe Anakin's ghost filled him in on what little he saw of that conflict..? Dunno.



Sounds more like they played Revenge of the Sith for him on the big screen.

Theres literally no reason for Luke to know anything more about Mace than his rank and title and whatevers in the history books.

Total Warrior
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Sounds more like they played Revenge of the Sith for him on the big screen.

Theres literally no reason for Luke to know anything more about Mace than his rank and title and whatevers in the history books. I wouldn't look too deep into it, Luke writing it is just used as an excuse to summarise the most important characters introduced in Canon so far

Darth Thor
^ Anyway, about Vos. I think id actually prefer a Vos series to an Obi-Wan one.

Total Warrior
Originally posted by Darth Thor
^ Anyway, about Vos. I think id actually prefer a Vos series to an Obi-Wan one. Definitely <3

Galan007
Originally posted by ares834
But it's Luke who is writing this book. Sure, if someone like Kenobi or Vader wrote it I could see them saying Anakin died on Mustafar. But Luke was strongly opposed to that idea. Having him "write" that is completely OOC. Yeah, I see what you're saying there. thumb up

I know it's kind of an asspull, but in this book Luke does mention that the spirits of Obi-Wan, Yoda, and Anakin guided him for many years(until he shut himself off from the force after Kylo's betrayal.) So perhaps some of Anakin's spirit-guidance entailed him telling Luke his backstory..? Just spitballing. /shrug

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Sounds more like they played Revenge of the Sith for him on the big screen.

Theres literally no reason for Luke to know anything more about Mace than his rank and title and whatevers in the history books. I don't disagree.

Even Anakin only saw the very end of the fight(ie. Mace holding his lightsaber to a defenseless Palpatine who was scurrying about on the floor.) Not even he knew what had transpired beforehand, so it's not like he could have provided any details about their battle to Luke.

On a related note: Luke also mentions that Palpatine was permanently scarred when Mace deflected his lightning back at him. IOW, his gnarled appearance isn't necessarily his 'true' face or w/e.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
^ Anyway, about Vos. I think id actually prefer a Vos series to an Obi-Wan one. 100%.

Don't get me wrong, I think the Kenobi series can be fantastic, but we know it's going to be limited in the sense that he'll be confined to Tatooine the entire time. Vos' story after the Purge could do a LOT of original world-building to current canon... And it certainly doesn't have to be limited to a single world either.

Total Warrior
^yep, also Vos's personality, the fact he follows the jedi's teachings, but also doesn't refrain from breaking them when needed, could lead to more interesting scenarios. Kenobi is fully commited to the Jedi creed, characters like Vader and Palpy are 100% evil, Vos is more in-between (tending more towards the Jedi of course), if he is written well he could be an awesome protagonist in a tv series. However I fear it might end up being too similar to the Mandalorian, just with a lightsaber instead of flamethrowers

Galan007
^ Yeah, it would depend how they went about it.

I'd like to see a story where Vos is constantly on the run from the Inquisitors/Vader and having to hop from planet to planet to try and lay low. At this point he's basically hiding all of his abilities because of the extra attention they would draw, but he occasionally intervenes when the need requires it, because he'll never stop being a Jedi... Not fully. Maybe have some of the other Jedi survivors trying to seek him out(like they hinted at in the Vader comics) because he's one of the last known Jedi Masters still alive and they want his 'guidance' or whatever.

Dunno. There's definitely TONS of potential there, imo.

Mendax
Can you post the pages about force powers? It looks like they're included based on the preview pages but I can barely make those out. embarrasment

Galan007
Originally posted by Mendax
Can you post the pages about force powers? It looks like they're included based on the preview pages but I can barely make those out. embarrasment This is it:

http://i.imgur.com/HQsN7yFm.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/0ZG8KaZm.jpg


*Though I would note that earlier in the book, Luke mentioned Vos' Psychometry, yet it isn't listed here. IOW, these few entries do not represent the full extent of Luke's knowledge when it comes to light and dark side powers... They're evidently just the predominate abilities that he wanted to emphasize.

Darth Thor
Originally posted by Galan007
100%.

Don't get me wrong, I think the Kenobi series can be fantastic, but we know it's going to be limited in the sense that he'll be confined to Tatooine the entire time. Vos' story after the Purge could do a LOT of original world-building to current canon... And it certainly doesn't have to be limited to a single world either.


Pretty sure he will leave Tatooine.

But yeah its just kinda boring revisiting the same characters over and over. Vos is a character never used in live action and only on 1 episode in animation.

And the whole Kiffar thing can see visions of anything he touches, his rebellious nature, his underworld (and undercover) background... could be so refreshing and new whilst still giving us those lightsaber fights. He could have faced Maul or Vader, or multiple Inquistors. And any of that can be done without messing with established canon.

Originally posted by Galan007

Dunno. There's definitely TONS of potential there, imo.


Yeah Wayyyy more potential than the Obi-Wan.

Galan007
I suppose Kenobi might go off-world here and there, but never for any length of time. After all, his sole purpose at that point was protecting Luke(who NEVER left the planet), so the series will more than likely be set on Tatooine 99% of the time.

Exactly. A Vos series would not only be able to mesh with established canon, but it could expand on it massively. It's a shame that such a rich goldmine of potential will remain untapped for god knows how long... ermm

Zenwolf
Originally posted by Galan007
This is it:

http://i.imgur.com/HQsN7yFm.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/0ZG8KaZm.jpg


*Though I would note that earlier in the book, Luke mentioned Vos' Psychometry, yet it isn't listed here. IOW, these few entries do not represent the full extent of Luke's knowledge when it comes to light and dark side powers... They're evidently just the predominate abilities that he wanted to emphasize.

>.>

None of those are Light Side abilities! Well except for becoming a Force Ghost(well freedom wise anyway, Sith Spirits are still a thing.)

All Force Users can use those, why are they trying to make this a thing?...

They could have noted abilities that were actually strictly used by Jedi if they wanted....Light Side abilities...and don't give me that Luke has limited knowledge, if he's been around the galaxy.

It's just The Force, Core Force Powers. Those abilities don't need to be pigeon held in this Light and Dark thing.

Galan007
I mean, they are light side abilities in the sense that a Jedi can freely use them without tapping into the dark side, which I think was the point there. But yeah, they're just core abilities that pretty much ANY force user(light OR dark) can utilize. Aside from the spirits, he didn't go esoteric at all.

And regarding Luke: he *should* have the most extensive Jedi/Sith knowledge-base of any character in canon, tbh(with the possible exception of guys like Yoda and Palpatine.) The sheer amount of relics, information, and overall knowledge he collected over the years is pretty staggering.

Darth Thor

Galan007
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Yes but unfortunately according to TLJ he would find them boring so probably never bothered actually reading them "page turners they were not hmm". Despite having absolutely nothing else to do in solitary.

Rey in the other hand can fight the FO by day and read those entire texts cover to cover by night. Luke did read the ancient texts, but that certainly didn't account for all the knowledge he had access to...
Originally posted by Galan007
In the comics we see that Luke eventually finds Jocasta Nu's makeshift 'school' and trove of Holocrons:
https://i.imgur.com/Ch9B5YU.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/ihWmjjP.jpg


And before her death, Jocasta had recorded ALL of her knowledge(pertaining to the Jedi/Sith, and Force in general) onto these Holocrons in hopes of restarting the Jedi Order from scratch:
https://i.imgur.com/NQOMOYy.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/ucgXQeG.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/n36At5M.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/fOJNGEb.jpg


And in the same arc, Palpatine himself confirmed the ridiculous extent of Jocasta's knowledge:
https://i.imgur.com/Tfwy2Ug.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/S5cV8FD.jpg
"Jocasta Nu knows EVERYTHING Not just secrets of the light side of the Force. The dark side as well. Secrets that were not theirs to keep. Secrets even of the ancient Sith. Jocasta knows them ALL." So even if he would have only studied Jocasta's library of Holocrons, Luke's knowledge-base would've been second to none. However, he also spent YEARS after RotJ scouring the galaxy for any other Force-related texts/relics he could get his hands on to study... And in addition to all of that, the spirits of Yoda+Kenobi+Anakin were all providing him with guidance along the way.

Suffice to say, canon Luke should have known just about everything there was to know about the Force... Should have.


...But I agree that where Disney canon is concerned, the clear intent is that Rey > ALL.

Darth Thor
I really hope its not true that Rey curbstomps Palpatine

If so then the rumours they changed that better be true.

Darth Thor
Originally posted by Galan007
Luke did read the ancient texts, but that certainly didn't account for all the knowledge he had access to...
So even if he would have only studied Jocasta's library of Holocrons, Luke's knowledge-base would've been second to none. However, he also spent YEARS after RotJ scouring the galaxy for any other Force-related texts/relics he could get his hands on to study... And in addition to all of that, the spirits of Yoda+Kenobi+Anakin were all providing him with guidance along the way.

Suffice to say, canon Luke should have known just about everything there was to know about the Force... Should have.




Thats all pretty cool though.

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