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Who wins?

Team two should take every time. There's absolutely no way that Peter or Miles can get past Static's flight and force fields. If this were taking place in an actual location, I could maybe see team one taking a couple of wins because of terrain, but in the default forum environment? Team 2 slaughters.

Originally posted by deathslash
Team two should take every time. There's absolutely no way that Peter or Miles can get past Static's flight and force fields. If this were taking place in an actual location, I could maybe see team one taking a couple of wins because of terrain, but in the default forum environment? Team 2 slaughters.

The Shocker? Electro? Miles can become invisible? Spidermen win.

Yeah team two would be typical Spider-Man villains.

Originally posted by Stoic
The Shocker? Electro? Miles can become invisible? Spidermen win. .......the shocker blasts shockwaves not electricity.......I'm surprised that you didn't know that. When was the last time that Max Dillion fought like he wasn't in special ed? What's to stop static from putting a forcefield around Spidey or shooting him while he's mid air?

Ok, Miles becomes invisible. Now what? He still has to get to the guy that is flying in an environment with nothing around for Miles to jump off of, swing from, hide behind, or crawl up. How's he getting past Virgil's force field?

The spiders have absolutely no options in this fight. Static and Black Lightning have superior mobility, power, versatility, and range.

Static shock likely takes this by himself. He's much more versatile than Electro.

Originally posted by deathslash
.......the shocker blasts shockwaves not electricity.......I'm surprised that you didn't know that. When was the last time that Max Dillion fought like he wasn't in special ed? What's to stop static from putting a forcefield around Spidey or shooting him while he's mid air?

Ok, Miles becomes invisible. Now what? He still has to get to the guy that is flying in an environment with nothing around for Miles to jump off of, swing from, hide behind, or crawl up. How's he getting past Virgil's force field?

The spiders have absolutely no options in this fight. Static and Black Lightning have superior mobility, power, versatility, and range.

Spiderman has beaten far better than this team by himself. You're arguing power set. Power set means Jack if those powers don't hit. One strong left to the jaw, and it's lights out.

Originally posted by Stoic
Spiderman has beaten far better than this team by himself. You're arguing power set. Power set means Jack if those powers don't hit. One strong left to the jaw, and it's lights out. you're ignoring several things

1. How does he even catch Static? Peter can't fly, he has nothing to swing off of, jump off of, or crawl up. It's not exactly like Static is an easy target to hit either, his main villain is a ****ing speedster....

2. How does he get past static's force field? I'm still waiting for you to show me how he magically gets by it. I'm waiting for you to show me why Miles turning invisible is going to matter at all when he can't even touch his opponents.

3. You must have been hit with the amnesia stick. It's perfectly fine to argue powerset over showings. The Flash has a trillion losses to his name, but we're not going to say that Spider-Man beats him in a forum setting now are we?

4. Are we now going to pretend that Static hasn't beaten more versatile and powerful enemies than Spider-Man? How does it only work one way?

Pierce solos. He is a solid meta level character who has gone toe to toe with Geo Force.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Pierce solos. He is a solid meta level character who has gone toe to toe with Geo Force. stop being foolish Abhi. The spider-men are easily going to avoid his omni-directional lightning blasts, close the distance, and then knock him out with only one punch. What sort of fool believes that a powerset like Black Lightnings will give him the win against Spider-Man in a forum setting?

Black lightning doesn't need to use his eyes to see

https://m.imgur.com/a/g5hbgbw

Invisibility wouldn't help. If anything, it hurts Miles, as it would lure him into false confidence.

I notice no one is mentioning Jefferson taking an Imperiex probe out, now....

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Black lightning doesn't need to use his eyes to see

https://m.imgur.com/a/g5hbgbw

Invisibility wouldn't help. If anything, it hurts Miles, as it would lure him into false confidence.

I notice no one is mentioning Jefferson taking an Imperiex probe out, now.... I honestly don't know that much about Black Lightning. I do recall him taking shots from Holocaust though.......

As far as crazy feats go, Static has beaten Holocaust (who bodied several members of the Teen Titans (Superboy included)), beaten someone that had drained pretty much every Bang Baby of their powers (Wise Son included), and also beaten another character that drained the Blood Syndicate of their powers. Virgil's legitimately beaten some herald level characters.

A very solid case can be made that any of team 2 solos. What is this craziness?

It's obviously a race issue

Originally posted by deathslash
you're ignoring several things

1. How does he even catch Static? Peter can't fly, he has nothing to swing off of, jump off of, or crawl up. It's not exactly like Static is an easy target to hit either, his main villain is a ****ing speedster....

2. How does he get past static's force field? I'm still waiting for you to show me how he magically gets by it. I'm waiting for you to show me why Miles turning invisible is going to matter at all when he can't even touch his opponents.

3. You must have been hit with the amnesia stick. It's perfectly fine to argue powerset over showings. The Flash has a trillion losses to his name, but we're not going to say that Spider-Man beats him in a forum setting now are we?

4. Are we now going to pretend that Static hasn't beaten more versatile and powerful enemies than Spider-Man? How does it only work one way?

Oh you're going with empty white room environment where the Spidermen have nothing to use as cover, instead of a cityscape that can be used to increase their speed, and attack performance. Well if that's the case I can agree with the cheap tactics that you're employing to show what a real battle would be like between these teams. Well done. I'm also pretty sure that you know how Peter and Miles powers work, so stop waiting on an answer in an attempt to deceitfully deny their speed, dodge potentials, extreme levels of strength. And look at Abhi talking about betas. Who the phuck was Morlun? Carnage? Sandman? Invisibility means that guys that don't have precognitive abilities can be snuck up on and hit with punches capable of flipping trucks with more than 4 wheels.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
It's obviously a race issue

Is that how you really feel? It wouldn't surprise me.

Originally posted by deathslash
apparently you can't argue powerset vs showings in these forums......





















































Even though both members of team 2 legitimately have more impressive high end showings.......

If you're arguing only power set which is what you were doing to claim team 2 wins then you're going to get disagreements, but keep trying to twist things. Keep pretending that team two has fought against foes that fight exactly like team 1.

Originally posted by Stoic
Oh you're going with empty white room environment where the Spidermen have nothing to use as cover, instead of a cityscape that can be used to increase their speed, and attack performance. Well if that's the case I can agree with the cheap tactics that you're employing to show what a real battle would be like between these teams. Well done. I'm also pretty sure that you know how Peter and Miles powers work, so stop waiting on an answer in an attempt to deceitfully deny their speed, dodge potentials, extreme levels of strength. And look at Abhi talking about betas. Who the phuck was Morlun? Carnage? Sandman? Invisibility means that guys that don't have precognitive abilities can be snuck up on and hit with punches capable of flipping trucks with more than 4 wheels.



Is that how you really feel? It wouldn't surprise me.

Empty white room is precisely what a forum fight has.

Black Lightning doesn't need his eyes to see. His electrical field warns him of attacks. Invisibility won't work with him.

Static doesn't rely on the visible spectrum to see either. I really don't know why you think invisibility is a thing that would work.

Another thing . If team two is generally too powerful for team 1 to win I have no problem with it, I'm just saying that the Spidermen have taken on and beaten bigger threats.

Originally posted by Stoic
Another thing . If team two is generally too powerful for team 1 to win I have no problem with it, I'm just saying that the Spidermen have taken on and beaten bigger threats.

....as have Team 2.

You mentioned Morlun, Carnage and Sandman. None of whom Spiderman beat with sheer power alone, but all with weakness exploitation. Morlun with radiation, Carnage with sound, Sandman via his master particle/water etc. He's never replied on his strength to beat them - in fact, when he tried to do so with Morlun, he got the tar beaten out of him.

In this thread, BL is the one with uncalculable power (not that it means much, but just pointing out that this phrase is often used by yourself with Hulk). BL is the one with flight, a body shield that's always on, senses that don't rely on sight, and the ability to destroy several city blocks at once in an AoE explosion.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Empty white room is precisely what a forum fight has.

Black Lightning doesn't need his eyes to see. His electrical field warns him of attacks. Invisibility won't work with him.

Static doesn't rely on the visible spectrum to see either. I really don't know why you think invisibility is a thing that would work.

If it won't work, and they aren't able to use their speed like they would in a typical comic, then of course they have no chance. This would be tailored for team 2 to win. That much is obvious. The Spidermen are and have always been so successful due to the ability to use the environment to even the odds or give them a dominant upper hand.

Even in a full city setting, they still wouldn't win, unless we nerfed team 2.
Saying that current stips is tailored for Team 2 to win just meana they're outclassed.

Black Lighting decimates.

https://i.imgur.com/8muGtgs.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/oDHU4Ie.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/D3n0cyJ.jpg

Originally posted by Stoic
If it won't work, and they aren't able to use their speed like they would in a typical comic, then of course they have no chance. This would be tailored for team 2 to win.
Um, no. They're just significantly outclassed. Even in a city setting, static can control the buildings and literally everything metal, they can be killed when team 2 decides to flood the area with ozone gas, the could get magnetized to the walls for an easy incap, etc.
Originally posted by Stoic
The Spidermen are and have always been so successful due to the ability to use the environment to even the odds or give them a dominant upper hand. that is literally Static's whole M.O. The big difference is that he has actually beat several enemies far beyond Spidey through power alone, he's confirmed to be the most powerful superhero in his reality, and he has ten times the versatility of either of the Spiders. Nevermind Black Lightning and his Imperiex probe/city block destroying AoE attacks.

BL could also just use his electrokinesis (is that a thing?) for the easy win.

https://imgur.com/a/iPKB3zH

I mean, yeah Electro is a major Spidey villain. But he's dumb as, which a lot of Spidey's villains are relative to Spidey. Here, that advantage is gone.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
BL could also just use his electrokinesis (is that a thing?) for the easy win.

https://imgur.com/a/iPKB3zH

I mean, yeah Electro is a major Spidey villain. But he's dumb as, which a lot of Spidey's villains are relative to Spidey. Here, that advantage is gone. yeah, but he's never actually used that in combat as far as I'm aware. That's why I'm mainly counting on Static to be the one that uses electrokenisis, what with it being his main way of fighting.

Anyway, there's absolutely no way that the spiders win. Thanks to Static, they can be magnetized together:
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/0/7604/1028341-static_01_04.jpg

Kept in a single area by a repulsion field:
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/0/7604/1028390-static__005___03___copy.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/0/7604/1028392-static__005___04.jpg

And then easily incapacitated:
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/0/7604/1028767-13.jpg

He can also shield himself and Black Lightning:
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/0/7604/1028486-static_12_page06.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/0/7604/1028487-static_12_page07.jpg

The real kicker though is that Virgil actually knows about Spider-man and won't be caught off guard by his abilities:
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/0/7604/1028745-static_shock_02_02.jpg

True. I shouldn't have been arguing powersets