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Well, discuss. Superman is rebirth incarnation.

Isn't Superman Superman?

Well, I'll start. Immortal Hulk is trash tier.

https://i.postimg.cc/R3PK3g5W/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/dkLdGGw4/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/JtHZn3Th/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/QHp7g8ZG/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/qNwCY171/image.jpg

Iron man matches Vision+Wonder Man and koed him.

Vision alone no sold an amped Immortal Hulk.

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-IkhOVdWVDQ0/WrKiZqymA0I/AAAAAAAAJb8/yEgVV7DQescvE-14QHyHyct5Mx11_tBcQCHMYCw/s1600/RCO014.jpg

Are we taking away Superman's speed, intelligence, sunlight-weakness, bfr, amping ability etc.?

Then he'll just have to one-shot him with a punch.

Well yeah.

Come straight to the point: Superman stomps

Superman one-shits Hulk.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Continued from the closed thread.



Then Immortal Hulk is a street tier by his average.


OTOH he destroyed a planet by just jumping, oneshotted Hal Jordan like nothing, punched so hard entire phantom zone shook.

What missile? You mean in Doomsday Clock where he was specially targeted by a different attack than what blasted the city?

Copying from comicvine?

I would like to see anything even close to city block level from Immortal Hulk, forget planet level.

By average, Immortal Hulk wouldn't even be meta level.

Planet busting is outlier and so is the phantom Zone "feat" (which is unquantifiable and therefore useless as a feat). Superman needed multiple punches to bust a mile-wide asteroid, couldn't bust a device that was only durable enough to tank Earth's core heat and got shitstomped by a guy who needed a bomb to blow up a planet (Rogol). One-shotting Hal is not impressive because he was massively weakened at the moment. Oh, and Superman was also completely overpowered by a car-sized turtle that carried only a megaton of kinetic energy (aka sub-city lvl).

He got KOed by a chemical missile mid-sentence in Action Comics 989 and wasn't seen for the rest of the issue.

Also don't forget that Superman was regularly hurt by his son, same son who got hurt by a pinch from Batman and by dog biting him.

Rebirth Superman has way too many embarrassing low ends and way too few decent feats to consider him a high tier or even a high/mid mid tier. That would be same thing as calling Hulk a universe buster because he destroyed a dimension that one time, despite the fact that he never ever did that again and consistently operates on way lower power levels.

Mera is WM lvl based in what, lol?

Wonder Woman sucks in N52 and Rebirth anyway.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Planet busting is outlier and so is the phantom Zone "feat" (which is unquantifiable and therefore useless as a feat).

Well that's convenient.

Outliers, Outliers and outliers.

How was Hal weakened.

He was trying to stop Jimmy without killing him.

There's no indication of that in the issue.

Jon's powers are emotionally fluctuating. Its like you don't read something, just copy paste it. Oh right, you do.

Its other way around my copy paste bot. Superman has far too many impressive feats which show him above top tier.

The dimension was just an island BTW.

Oh right, it only works for Hulk, eh?

Diana would also beat Hulk.

Albert, you didn't comment on this.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Well, I'll start. Immortal Hulk is trash tier.

https://i.postimg.cc/R3PK3g5W/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/dkLdGGw4/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/JtHZn3Th/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/QHp7g8ZG/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/qNwCY171/image.jpg

Iron man matches Vision+Wonder Man and koed him.

Vision alone no sold an amped Immortal Hulk.

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-IkhOVdWVDQ0/WrKiZqymA0I/AAAAAAAAJb8/yEgVV7DQescvE-14QHyHyct5Mx11_tBcQCHMYCw/s1600/RCO014.jpg
Ergo Iron Man ~Vision+Simom>Vision >Hulk, eh?

What do you think?

Wonder Woman sucks? She held off Zod and Ursa.

Hulk literary one punches him. Haven't see anything from Supes that gets him the win here.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Well that's convenient.

Outliers, Outliers and outliers.

How was Hal weakened.

He was trying to stop Jimmy without killing him.

There's no indication of that in the issue.

Jon's powers are emotionally fluctuating. Its like you don't read something, just copy paste it. Oh right, you do.

Its other way around my copy paste bot. Superman has far too many impressive feats which show him above top tier.

The dimension was just an island BTW.

Oh right, it only works for Hulk, eh?

Diana would also beat Hulk.


Yawn, too bad even Colossus finger flicks Rebirth Superman's head off. Stay mad.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Albert, you didn't comment on this.


Ergo Iron Man ~Vision+Simom>Vision >Hulk, eh?

What do you think?

I think you're trying too hard

Originally posted by carver9
Hulk literary one punches him. Haven't see anything from Supes that gets him the win here.
How about you talk about stronger than Hulk vision first. Forget about Superman who would most likely kill Hulk in one punch. Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Yawn, too bad even Colossus finger flicks Rebirth Superman's head off. Stay mad.
Why would anyone be mad at a spam bot like you? Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
I think you're trying too hard
So vision is stronger than Hulk? Agreed.

Originally posted by carver9
Hulk literary one punches him. Haven't see anything from Supes that gets him the win here.

Does WW in n52 and Rebirth suck?

Originally posted by abhilegend
How about you talk about stronger than Hulk vision first. Forget about Superman who would most likely kill Hulk in one punch.
Why would anyone be mad at a spam bot like you?
So vision is stronger than Hulk? Agreed.


Superman can absorb Hulk's gamma radiation if he wants, just like he beat Rampage.

He would die from an overdose.

Superman one-shots him.

Well, this thread went exactly as I expected it to...

Hulk wins.

Can Rebirth Superman match Thing!!!?

Hulk's head would probably pop like a cherry if Superman hit him witj all his motivation while exhausted.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Well, I'll start. Immortal Hulk is trash tier.

https://i.postimg.cc/R3PK3g5W/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/dkLdGGw4/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/JtHZn3Th/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/QHp7g8ZG/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/qNwCY171/image.jpg

Iron man matches Vision+Wonder Man and koed him.

Vision alone no sold an amped Immortal Hulk.

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-IkhOVdWVDQ0/WrKiZqymA0I/AAAAAAAAJb8/yEgVV7DQescvE-14QHyHyct5Mx11_tBcQCHMYCw/s1600/RCO014.jpg

Yet is destroyed.

https://imgur.com/a/COmlLch

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Yet is destroyed.

https://imgur.com/a/COmlLch

Superman wins, with ease

Vision is amped at this point:

https://imgur.com/a/W4Ghu86

https://imgur.com/a/gT1tKZL

This Superman wankery is getting ridiculous.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
This Superman wankery is getting ridiculous.

Originally posted by abhilegend
How about you talk about stronger than Hulk vision first. Forget about Superman who would most likely kill Hulk in one punch.
Why would anyone be mad at a spam bot like you?
So vision is stronger than Hulk? Agreed.

How did Hulk defeat vision?

Originally posted by Bentley
Can Rebirth Superman match Thing!!!?

Can Hulk match Aquaman or Mera?

Originally posted by carver9
How did Hulk defeat vision?


By PIS.

Originally posted by carver9
How did Hulk defeat vision?

Of course, we know that he begins to overpower vision pretty much the next panel after Abhi's scan. And Vision was getting a heavy push at this time.
.
https://imgur.com/a/yg9Uvgd

Exactly. I knew the answer, I wanted ABHI to say it. The only reason Vision withstood that one punch is because Vision upped his mass. Hulk stands in one spot and tank top tiers hits. Top tiers that actually have strength fts better than the people Supes is facing here. Whereas Supes is getting koed...

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120267/6631140-3974507885-super.png

Damage had him at a pause. Hulk destroys him.

https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/42540322/SmartSelect_20190826-163300_Chrome.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/42540323/SmartSelect_20190826-163311_Chrome.jpg.html

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Vision is amped at this point:

https://imgur.com/a/W4Ghu86

https://imgur.com/a/gT1tKZL


Increasing his mass isnt an amp. Its part of his powerset.

But typical of Abhi just to miss out Hulk cracking his head open.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Increasing his mass isnt an amp. Its part of his powerset.

But typical of Abhi just to miss out Hulk cracking his head open.

He was amped before his fight with Hulk. Talking about external amp.

All the lowballing in this thread means that at least four of you are well on your way to bans. You made it easier than I expected.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Increasing his mass isnt an amp. Its part of his powerset.

But typical of Abhi just to miss out Hulk cracking his head open.

He got redesigned and trashed Avengers; comics capitalized on his renewed popularity (thanks to MCU).

As for the actual on-panel upgrade... it happened, too. He is far more advanced than he was, being able to f*cking sundip, absorb resources, disperse as a nanobot army, etc.

He would sodomize your Thor while staring right in your eyes vin

Yep.

https://imgur.com/a/wIbsJEj

https://imgur.com/a/pvkCLgM

Originally posted by -Pr-
All the lowballing in this thread means that at least four of you are well on your way to bans. You made it easier than I expected.

Abhi literally said Immortal Hulk was street level/meta, if that's not blatant trolling idk what is

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Yep.

https://imgur.com/a/wIbsJEj

https://imgur.com/a/pvkCLgM

Forgot that he sun dipped as well. I remember him stomping the entirety of the Avengers. Thanks for bringing him up ABHI. Hulk wrecked a team wrecker.

Originally posted by carver9
Forgot that he sun dipped as well. I remember him stomping the entirety of the Avengers. Thanks for bringing him up ABHI. Hulk wrecked a team wrecker.
Imm Hulk was amped too no?

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Imm Hulk was amped too no?

I don't think so.

https://i.imgur.com/q3IMcBc.jpg

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
https://i.imgur.com/q3IMcBc.jpg

Did he lose that absorption? He absorbed Sasquash as well. What happened to that amp? I dont think anything points to that power leaving him. Remember, Sasquash never came back after Hulk took that power.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
https://i.imgur.com/q3IMcBc.jpg

To be fair, absorbing the energy from Robert Rulk is like the shittiest upgrade ever...

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Abhi literally said Immortal Hulk was street level/meta, if that's not blatant trolling idk what is

I saw what he was replying to, though, so it would be hypocritical of me to blame one of you but not the other.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
To be fair, absorbing the energy from Robert Rulk is like the shittiest upgrade ever...

Does that plug-in really provide significant gamma energy or just mimics Hulk genetics for an hour?

Supes.

Originally posted by carver9
Did he lose that absorption? He absorbed Sasquash as well. What happened to that amp? I dont think anything points to that power leaving him. Remember, Sasquash never came back after Hulk took that power.
?

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Yet is destroyed.

https://imgur.com/a/COmlLch
He lowered his durability to scramble Hulk's brain. Originally posted by TheHulkster
Vision is amped at this point:

https://imgur.com/a/W4Ghu86

https://imgur.com/a/gT1tKZL
Iron man just matched him+Wonder Man combined.

Originally posted by carver9
How did Hulk defeat vision?
Vision lowered his durability. Originally posted by carver9
Exactly. I knew the answer, I wanted ABHI to say it. The only reason Vision withstood that one punch is because Vision upped his mass. Hulk stands in one spot and tank top tiers hits. Top tiers that actually have strength fts better than the people Supes is facing here. Whereas Supes is getting koed...

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120267/6631140-3974507885-super.png

Damage had him at a pause. Hulk destroys him.
Superman was blinded and weakened and not koed there. Originally posted by carver9
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/42540322/SmartSelect_20190826-163300_Chrome.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/42540323/SmartSelect_20190826-163311_Chrome.jpg.html
Superman is not koed there either and koed him next issue just fine.

Originally posted by carver9
Forgot that he sun dipped as well. I remember him stomping the entirety of the Avengers. Thanks for bringing him up ABHI. Hulk wrecked a team wrecker.
Lolwut?

That's a high end for Iron Man.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
?

The power he absorbs, does he lose it and if so, when?

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
That's a high end for Iron Man.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Vision lowered his durability.
Superman was blinded and weakened and not koed there.
Superman is not koed there either and koed him next issue just fine.

Lowered his durability?

Weakened? His body was limp. That's as close to drop as it can get.

Hes dropped. He was just able to recover the NEXT issue.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
That's a high end for Iron Man.

One showing doesnt take away from Vision power level. It's like saying Superman is weak because while amped off of infinite energy, he still lost to Diana.

Originally posted by carver9
Lowered his durability?

Weakened? His body was limp. That's as close to drop as it can get.

Hes dropped. He was just able to recover the NEXT issue.
Yes, that's what Vision does.

Weakened by suicide squad's magic force field which blinded him.

I'm going to report you for lying and trolling if you keep this up. He was never koed there.

Originally posted by carver9
One showing doesnt take away from Vision power level. It's like saying Superman is weak because while amped off of infinite energy, he still lost to Diana.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Lolwut?

Also he said "He's as strong as"

That's a vague statement, could be interperted in many ways.

Idk if someone ever told you this but writers don't care about vs battles, they don't write mainly for that purpose.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Also he said "He's as strong as"

That's a vague statement, could be interperted in many ways.

Idk if someone ever told you this but writers don't care about vs battles, they don't write mainly for that purpose.
How's that vague?

It's alot of trolling and lowballing so im gonna stop, Hulk obviously wins this. it's nice to see tears though. can't wait for the more feats of Immortal Hulk. looking forward to it. seeing you on a rampage like this amazes me

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes, that's what Vision does.

Weakened by suicide squad's magic force field which blinded him.

I'm going to report you for lying and trolling if you keep this up. He was never koed there.

So Vision lowered his durability against the Hulk?

It said he was weakened? Scans.

You're literally saying he was koed because he was up the next issue. I'm asking you to show me when he got up off of the ground. We do NOT know how much time passed from him being on the ground to them fighting again. We CLEARLY see him laid out on the ground with his eyes closed. If you want to show me him getting UP right after the scene I posted, then I will take what you're saying as facts but if you cant show me, then you need to go sit in the corner and concede.

Here's the next scene. When did he get up? Show me...

https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/42541363/SmartSelect_20190826-235835_Chrome.jpg.html
https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/42541364/SmartSelect_20190826-235906_Chrome.jpg.html

Flash ko.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
It's alot of trolling and lowballing so im gonna stop, Hulk obviously wins this. it's nice to see tears though. can't wait for the more feats of Immortal Hulk. looking forward to it. seeing you on a rampage like this amazes me

It's best to end it. ABHI proved nothing here. Seems like hes trapped.

Originally posted by carver9
The power he absorbs, does he lose it and if so, when?
Dunno. I doubt he loses it quickly. Cho Hulk became progressively stronger the more he absorbed nuke like energy in his arc.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
It's alot of trolling and lowballing so im gonna stop, Hulk obviously wins this. it's nice to see tears though. can't wait for the more feats of Immortal Hulk. looking forward to it. seeing you on a rampage like this amazes me

Originally posted by carver9
So Vision lowered his durability against the Hulk?

Yes, that's what happens when Vision tries to scramble brains.

https://i.postimg.cc/WqNdGYVK/image.jpg

The black vault had nullification properties hence why Superman got blinded and weakened.

Not a KO at all. He was awake in the previous scene. Artist error.

We have been over this carter.

https://i.postimg.cc/nrMwYVr3/image.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/wMP4WKsg/image.jpg

Superman is awake after the HV attack but suddenly koed without any further attack? Only you will think that's a KO.

He's power napping before beating the crap of his opponent

Originally posted by abhilegend
He lowered his durability to scramble Hulk's brain.
Iron man just matched him+Wonder Man combined.

His durability is not lowered here;

https://imgur.com/a/wSAhRF3

Seems that Hulk only has to hit him harder. This is the very next panel after your scan.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes, that's what happens when Vision tries to scramble brains.

https://i.postimg.cc/WqNdGYVK/image.jpg

The black vault had nullification properties hence why Superman got blinded and weakened.

Not a KO at all. He was awake in the previous scene. Artist error.

We have been over this carter.

https://i.postimg.cc/nrMwYVr3/image.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/wMP4WKsg/image.jpg

Superman is awake after the HV attack but suddenly koed without any further attack? Only you will think that's a KO.

Delayed loss of consciousness.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes, that's what happens when Vision tries to scramble brains.

https://i.postimg.cc/WqNdGYVK/image.jpg

The black vault had nullification properties hence why Superman got blinded and weakened.

Not a KO at all. He was awake in the previous scene. Artist error.

We have been over this carter.

https://i.postimg.cc/nrMwYVr3/image.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/wMP4WKsg/image.jpg

Superman is awake after the HV attack but suddenly koed without any further attack? Only you will think that's a KO.

Vision goes INTANGIBLE when he tries to mess with your brain, he doesn't get weaker. Lol.

Where is it saying weakened? I'm seeing disoriented. The fight I posted didnt happen in the vault. It happened outside of it and Superman wasnt suffering through those dizzy spells during the time he got dropped there. Do you honestly want me to post how Superman reacts when he is in the vault?

I've never seen someone awake while on the ground laid the F out with their eyes closed. If that's how you viewed it then gotcha. He was Flash koed from my view.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
His durability is not lowered here;

https://imgur.com/a/wSAhRF3

Seems that Hulk only has to hit him harder. This is the very next panel after your scan.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
His durability is not lowered here;

https://imgur.com/a/wSAhRF3

Seems that Hulk only has to hit him harder. This is the very next panel after your scan.
Vision lowered his durability to go intangible. At full density he outright no sold Hulk.

This hulk doesn't holds back.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Delayed loss of consciousness.
LMAO, what? Under the same writer Zod, Cyborg Superman, Mongul, Eradicator, Metallo were unable to ko Superman despite a sustained ground and pound.
https://i.postimg.cc/7fNwDwFr/RCO018.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/v4HMZCyg/RCO019.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/64XxJmzQ/RCO020.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/JtNWcR4H/RCO021.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/ppkb4kj2/RCO005.jpg
GTFOH.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Delayed loss of consciousness. Pretty self explanatory.

Originally posted by carver9
Vision goes INTANGIBLE when he tries to mess with your brain, he doesn't get weaker. Lol.

His durability decreases. Are you illiterate?

Its nullification from phantom zone, it literally poisons kryptonians.



So you didn't even read the first scan last panel where Superman is talking about Zod? 🙄🙄🙄🙄

Tell me, what happened in the last panel here.

https://i.postimg.cc/nrMwYVr3/image.jpg

Originally posted by abhilegend
LMAO, what? Under the same writer Zod, Cyborg Superman, Mongul, Eradicator, Metallo were unable to ko Superman despite a sustained ground and pound.
https://i.postimg.cc/7fNwDwFr/RCO018.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/v4HMZCyg/RCO019.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/64XxJmzQ/RCO020.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/JtNWcR4H/RCO021.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/ppkb4kj2/RCO005.jpg
GTFOH.

He was getting blooded. How is that no selling?

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
He was getting blooded. How is that no selling?
Who talked about no selling?

Originally posted by abhilegend
LMAO, what? Under the same writer Zod, Cyborg Superman, Mongul, Eradicator, Metallo were unable to ko Superman despite a sustained ground and pound.
https://i.postimg.cc/7fNwDwFr/RCO018.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/v4HMZCyg/RCO019.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/64XxJmzQ/RCO020.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/JtNWcR4H/RCO021.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/ppkb4kj2/RCO005.jpg
GTFOH.

Yet in that scene, he is KTFO.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Yet in that scene, he is KTFO.

Exactly!!! Never seen people brag about a character getting beat down. Also, Superman outright admitted Henshaw is as strong and fast as him.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Vision lowered his durability to go intangible. At full density he outright no sold Hulk.

This hulk doesn't holds back.

If he is intangible, the blow wouldn't connect. He states that he can change his density at will. He simply could not no sell a second blow. And Hulk does hold back.

Does Doomsday hold back? DOS Superman no sells his first blow and is unable to do so again for the rest of the fight.

Doomsday was weakened after waking up from his fight against the Radiant and being underground without sunlight for 150,000 years or something crazy like that.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Doomsday was weakened after waking up from his fight against the Radiant and being underground without sunlight for 150,000 years or something crazy like that.

Where is this stated?

Also, is Iron Man facing a vision at full density?

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Where is this stated?

Bertron states he runs on solar radiation. And can store radiation for a millennium if needed (i.e. a thousand years).

Superman stated he was buried underground for hundreds of thousands of years.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Doomsday was weakened after waking up from his fight against the Radiant and being underground without sunlight for 150,000 years or something crazy like that.


Good point. Never considered that.


Pretty obvious retcon, I doubt they fleshed him out much beyond the latest hook, but it's valid.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Doomsday was weakened after waking up from his fight against the Radiant and being underground without sunlight for 150,000 years or something crazy like that.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Bertron states he runs on solar radiation. And can store radiation for a millennium if needed (i.e. a thousand years).

Superman stated he was buried underground for hundreds of thousands of years.


To wut extent i dont know, but it definintely took him some time to get into the swing of things.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Yet in that scene, he is KTFO.
He isn't as we see him punching Lor Zod the next time we see him.

Originally posted by carver9
Exactly!!! Never seen people brag about a character getting beat down. Also, Superman outright admitted Henshaw is as strong and fast as him.
Then Lor Zod must be dozen of times stronger than Superman and Henshaw to oneshot KO Superman, eh?

https://i.postimg.cc/G9Jytcph/RCO004.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/F7rJJ2fb/RCO006-w.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/87sJZMmj/RCO007.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/QFPBwCfS/RCO008.jpg

So Superman>>>>Lor Zod>>>>Zod+Mongul+Cyborg Superman+Metallo+Eradicator?

Insane feat for my boy Superman. Beastly feat.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17


To wut extent i dont know, but it definintely took him some time to get into the swing of things.



Well, he did hit him harder then he's EVER been hit before right after, so not that long.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
If he is intangible, the blow wouldn't connect. He states that he can change his density at will. He simply could not no sell a second blow. And Hulk does hold back.

Does Doomsday hold back? DOS Superman no sells his first blow and is unable to do so again for the rest of the fight.
Vision doesn't goes max density after being intangible.

Where did Immortal Hulk hold back against Avengers?

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Also, is Iron Man facing a vision at full density?
Surely you don't think Vision>Vision+Wonder Man.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Surely you don't think Vision>Vision+Wonder Man.

Hulk crushes Vision far easier than Iron Man's effort. Your lowballing relates to a single no-sell whereas Vision accomplishes this by going full density. Does the Vision/WM being use Vision's power to go full density and fail to no-sell Iron Man?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Vision doesn't goes max density after being intangible.]

Where do you get this from?



Hulk is established as one who holds back.

Abhi as always does a great job making Hulk look better than Superman.

Originally posted by cdtm
Well, he did hit him harder then he's EVER been hit before right after, so not that long.

Exactly two panels. Plus DD had been roaming Earth and kicking butt for nearly two days. He simply readjusts his effort after the no-sell, which is what Hulk does against Vision.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Bertron states he runs on solar radiation. And can store radiation for a millennium if needed (i.e. a thousand years).

Superman stated he was buried underground for hundreds of thousands of years.

I don't see where Superman says that he was buried underground for that length of time. There is no indication of how long DD is in space and how long he is buried. The context indicates that Superman is referencing the time of DD's death.

Originally posted by abhilegend
He isn't as we see him punching Lor Zod the next time we see him.


Then Lor Zod must be dozen of times stronger than Superman and Henshaw to oneshot KO Superman, eh?

https://i.postimg.cc/G9Jytcph/RCO004.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/F7rJJ2fb/RCO006-w.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/87sJZMmj/RCO007.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/QFPBwCfS/RCO008.jpg

So Superman>>>>Lor Zod>>>>Zod+Mongul+Cyborg Superman+Metallo+Eradicator?

Insane feat for my boy Superman. Beastly feat.

Your post doesnt make sense and under the same scene you're talking about, they were screaming out "dont kill him yet. Save some for me"...

https://postimg.cc/64XxJmzQ

They wasnt going for the kill.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
I don't see where Superman says that he was buried underground for that length of time. There is no indication of how long DD is in space and how long he is buried. The context indicates that Superman is referencing the time of DD's death.

It crashed to earth...

But THAT was hundreds of thousands of years ago!!

I took 'That' to mean the crashing.

Superman BFR's him with one punch and it's over. The same foes for any incarnation of the Hulk. He can't fly. Take that off though, and it's a fight.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
It crashed to earth...

But THAT was hundreds of thousands of years ago!!

I took 'That' to mean the crashing.

But he followed up with "he was dead". So the reference seems to be one of him being dead hundreds of thousands years ago. Krypton is 27 light years away. How long would it take DD to drift to Earth?

Originally posted by Stoic
Superman BFR's him with one punch and it's over. The same foes for any incarnation of the Hulk. He can't fly. Take that off though, and it's a fight.



Pretty much.



Just like his "fight" with Lobo ended in the L.E.G.I.O.N. crossover, by simply dropping Lobo into the ocean.


"Oh, you can't swim? Guess you're not as good as I thought."

"I'm a bounty hunter! Not a wimpy rescue team!"

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Exactly two panels. Plus DD had been roaming Earth and kicking butt for nearly two days. He simply readjusts his effort after the no-sell, which is what Hulk does against Vision.
Originally posted by TheHulkster
I don't see where Superman says that he was buried underground for that length of time. There is no indication of how long DD is in space and how long he is buried. The context indicates that Superman is referencing the time of DD's death.
I think DD is massively overrated hype machine by forum standards(I've clashed with plenty over it in fact), but you're reading stuff wrong. DD wasn't running rampant for days, his total time out of the ground all seemed to take place on the same day(on Earth I mean).

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Hulk crushes Vision far easier than Iron Man's effort. Your lowballing relates to a single no-sell whereas Vision accomplishes this by going full density. Does the Vision/WM being use Vision's power to go full density and fail to no-sell Iron Man?
Haha, Vision is now more powerful than Vision+Wonder Man.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Where do you get this from?

From his history. Immortal Hulk? Where?

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Abhi as always does a great job making Hulk look better than Superman.
Just like you make Spider-Man look better than Wolverine.

Originally posted by carver9
Your post doesnt make sense and under the same scene you're talking about, they were screaming out "dont kill him yet. Save some for me"...

https://postimg.cc/64XxJmzQ

They wasnt going for the kill.


"Save some for me" is now equal to "they were holding back". Why would he ask them to "Don't kill him, save some for me" If they weren't trying to kill him?

Is English your second language?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Just like you make Spider-Man look better than Wolverine.

Originally posted by darthgoober
I think DD is massively overrated hype machine by forum standards(I've clashed with plenty over it in fact), but you're reading stuff wrong. DD wasn't running rampant for days, his total time out of the ground all seemed to take place on the same day(on Earth I mean).

Well, in looking at the story, he comes out of the ground during daylight and we later see him rampaging at what appears to be night. Then again during daylight.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Well, in looking at the story, he comes out of the ground during daylight and we later see him rampaging at what appears to be night. Then again during daylight.
When do we see him rampaging at night? If I've simply forgotten then that's my bad, but I don't personally remember night passing at any point in that whole arc.

Is there anywhere where it is stated that DD is underground for hundreds of thousands of years?

Does it matter? Underground or not, Doomsday was still sealed inside the box/tomb, devoid of any solar nourishment for all that time.

Originally posted by Galan007
Does it matter? Underground or not, Doomsday was still sealed inside the box/tomb, devoid of any solar nourishment for all that time.

A box does not devoid you of solar radiation and there is solar radiation throughout space.

Tell me, if DD is underground for hundreds of thousands of years devoid of sunlight, where did the sudden energy come from for him to escape?

Originally posted by darthgoober
When do we see him rampaging at night? If I've simply forgotten then that's my bad, but I don't personally remember night passing at any point in that whole arc.

To me, this scene appears to be at night?

https://imgur.com/a/B2BWS1n

Originally posted by TheHulkster
A box does not devoid you of solar radiation and there is solar radiation throughout space. So do you have any actual proof that solar radiation penetrated all the way through the thick tomb(and shroud) Doomsday was encased in, and was secretly nourishing him while the tomb was hurling through space, or are you just making baseless assumptions? Be honest.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Tell me, if DD is underground for hundreds of thousands of years devoid of sunlight, where did the sudden energy come from for him to escape? Adapting is Doomsday's whole gimmick.

Perhaps his body eventually found a way to resurrect itself in the total absence of an energy source..? To me, that is a LOT more believable than the assumption that solar radiation somehow managed to creep its way into the tomb over the years and nourish Doomsday. No evidence I am aware of so much as alludes to that.

It's not like he was imprisoned inside a thin piece of sheet metal, ffs:
https://i.imgur.com/13fbJhp.jpgg


srsly


*I'd also note that the burial shroud itself wasn't just some random piece of cloth either. It was extremely durable and energy-resistant... As we saw when it took the combined energy attacks of the JLA just to partially remove it from DD:
https://s7d2.turboimg.net/t1/42551020_8676265.jpg https://s7d2.turboimg.net/t1/42551023_7789471.jpg https://s7d2.turboimg.net/t1/42551025_5189535.jpg https://s7d2.turboimg.net/t1/42551028_2885265.jpg

Originally posted by abhilegend
From his history. Immortal Hulk? Where?

Read the narration. That's exactly what Vision does here:

https://imgur.com/a/8ow5RK0

The Devil Hulk persona is not bothered by causing death, but "Immortal Hulk" can be other personas. This one appears to have started off as Savage.

And he does start off toying with Thing.

Originally posted by Galan007
So do you have any actual proof that solar radiation penetrated all the way through the thick tomb(and shroud) Doomsday was encased in, and was secretly nourishing him while the tomb was hurling through space, or are you just making baseless assumptions? Be honest.

Adapting is Doomsday's whole gimmick.

Perhaps his body eventually found a way to resurrect itself in the total absence of an energy source..? To me, that is a LOT more believable than the assumption that solar radiation somehow managed to creep its way into the tomb over the years and nourish Doomsday. No evidence I am aware of so much as alludes to that.

It's not like he was imprisoned inside a thin piece of sheet metal, ffs:
https://i.imgur.com/13fbJhp.jpgg


srsly


*I'd also note that the burial shroud itself wasn't just some random piece of cloth either. It was extremely durable and energy-resistant... As we saw when it took the combined energy attacks of the JLA just to partially remove it from DD:
https://s7d2.turboimg.net/t1/42551020_8676265.jpg https://s7d2.turboimg.net/t1/42551023_7789471.jpg https://s7d2.turboimg.net/t1/42551025_5189535.jpg https://s7d2.turboimg.net/t1/42551028_2885265.jpg Funny thing is that a thin piece of sheet metal CAN stop alpha and beta radiation, and a few inches of lead, or a few feet of generic concrete can stop most gamma radiation.

So no. solar radiation definitely wasn't getting through Doomsday's tomb and cloak. What a foolish thing to try and argue.

Originally posted by Galan007
So do you have any actual proof that solar radiation penetrated all the way through the thick tomb(and shroud) Doomsday was encased in, and was secretly nourishing him while the tomb was hurling through space, or are you just making baseless assumptions? Be honest.

Adapting is Doomsday's whole gimmick.

Perhaps his body eventually found a way to resurrect itself in the total absence of an energy source..? To me, that is a LOT more believable than the assumption that solar radiation somehow managed to creep its way into the tomb over the years and nourish Doomsday. No evidence I am aware of so much as alludes to that.

It's not like he was imprisoned inside a thin piece of sheet metal, ffs:
https://i.imgur.com/13fbJhp.jpgg


srsly


*I'd also note that the burial shroud itself wasn't just some random piece of cloth either. It was extremely durable and energy-resistant... As we saw when it took the combined energy attacks of the JLA just to partially remove it from DD:
https://s7d2.turboimg.net/t1/42551020_8676265.jpg https://s7d2.turboimg.net/t1/42551023_7789471.jpg https://s7d2.turboimg.net/t1/42551025_5189535.jpg https://s7d2.turboimg.net/t1/42551028_2885265.jpg

I can prove it no more than it can be proven that his first punch on Superman is no-sold because he is weakened. It's an exchange of speculations. What you said about him adapting to no sunlight makes a lot of sense. It would explain a lot.

He wasnt in a tomb when Superman withstood his punch. He was in broad daylight when it happened.

Originally posted by carver9
He wasnt in a tomb when Superman withstood his punch. He was in broad daylight when it happened.

And had been out for a bit.

Originally posted by LordGod
Funny thing is that a thin piece of sheet metal CAN stop alpha and beta radiation, and a few inches of lead, or a few feet of generic concrete can stop most gamma radiation.

So no. solar radiation definitely wasn't getting through Doomsday's tomb and cloak. What a foolish thing to try and argue.

Originally posted by carver9
He wasnt in a tomb when Superman withstood his punch. He was in broad daylight when it happened.

What does that prove? Superman was also absorbing sunlight. It was that DD was was pushing his limits.

What do you guys think? You think Superman is going to walk in a slap the Hulk lightly and we'll call it a day? He'd be in for the fight of his life. DD is a cheap knock-off. They used the adaptation route in order for them to pretend that he'd be able to keep up with the Hulk who has been adapting from the time of his inception.

Originally posted by SquallX
What does that prove? Superman was also absorbing sunlight. It was that DD was was pushing his limits.

When did Doomsday during that arc push his limits and I want to see proof? If he was weakened during that instance, show me something on panel that states he was at "complete" power, or, did Superman face a non full powered Doomsday?

No proof of Doomsday pushing Superman's limits during that arc. Except maybe when he killed him.

Originally posted by SquallX
What does that prove? Superman was also absorbing sunlight. It was that DD was was pushing his limits.

No one is saying otherwise. Yes., DD pushes Superman's limits, which is why the initial no-sell is meaningless. Same for Hulk and Vision.

There is no proof that DD is weakened during the no-sell.

Originally posted by cdtm
No proof of Doomsday pushing Superman's limits during that arc. Except maybe when he killed him.

In the arc, was it said that Superman wasnt at full power? Remember, people are saying that Doomsday was weakened, so what I am asking is, WHEN did he get to his full power during DOS? Then I'm asking for proof on whenever it was mentioned that he was complete. Superman, we already know he came into the fight complete. Doomsday, people are saying he was weakened. Huge difference here.

Not so sure Superman was "complete", as he was coming from one crisis to another. It's not like he just woke up, enjoyed a nice sun bath, and joined the fray.

carv, you guys are arguing so hard against lowballing done by abhi it's distorting your basic reasoning. Let me say that again... you guys are arguing so hard against lowballing done by ABHI it's distorting your basic reasoning. Low end showings are going to happen to everyone and they're going to happen a lot. And if it happens in Marvel you can bet your ass that abhi's going to harp on it to no end and try to use it to knock every other character in the company down a peg... but you can't take it too seriously because no one else does. Notice that no one is really debating that abhi is correct about Hulk/Vision other than abhi himself, they're only arguing about DD's first punch against Supes. Everyone know's that he's not going to backdown from his position regardless of what's posted, so unless he seems to be successfully misleading folks 9 times out of 10 it's not even worth engaging him beyond a couple of posts.

People admitting that DD was most likely weakened during the DOS saga compared to things like his encounter with the GL Corp is a GOOD thing for a lot of the positions you frequently argue, don't be like others and flip flop your basic interpretation of events just to suit the argument of the day... doing that undermines any position you might take on anything right out of the gate.

Originally posted by darthgoober
carv, you guys are arguing so hard against lowballing done by abhi it's distorting your basic reasoning. Let me say that again... you guys are arguing so hard against lowballing done by ABHI it's distorting your basic reasoning. Low end showings are going to happen to everyone and they're going to happen a lot. And if it happens in Marvel you can bet your ass that abhi's going to harp on it to no end and try to use it to knock every other character in the company down a peg... but you can't take it too seriously because no one else does. Notice that no one is really debating that abhi is correct about Hulk/Vision other than abhi himself, they're only arguing about what DD's first punch against Supes.

People admitting that DD was most likely weakened during the DOS saga compared to things like his encounter with the GL Corp is a GOOD thing for a lot of the positions you frequently argue, don't be like others and flip flop your basic interpretation of events just to suit the argument of the day... doing that undermines any position you might take on anything right out of the gate.

Amazing post. Thanks darth.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Read the narration. That's exactly what Vision does here:

https://imgur.com/a/8ow5RK0

There's nothing stated about being at his highest density.

No, he doesn't and there's not even a slightest implication that he holds back.

Because puppet master told him such. Later he was going all out when puppet master gave him free reign.

Originally posted by darthgoober
carv, you guys are arguing so hard against lowballing done by abhi it's distorting your basic reasoning. Let me say that again... you guys are arguing so hard against lowballing done by ABHI it's distorting your basic reasoning. Low end showings are going to happen to everyone and they're going to happen a lot. And if it happens in Marvel you can bet your ass that abhi's going to harp on it to no end and try to use it to knock every other character in the company down a peg... but you can't take it too seriously because no one else does. Notice that no one is really debating that abhi is correct about Hulk/Vision other than abhi himself, they're only arguing about DD's first punch against Supes. Everyone know's that he's not going to backdown from his position regardless of what's posted, so unless he seems to be successfully misleading folks 9 times out of 10 it's not even worth engaging him beyond a couple of posts.

Wow, Darthdouche is on the case!!

How the **** is this lowballing? Vision legitimately no sold Hulk and Hulk was amped to boot. Why don't you correct it yourself if you are so sure I'm wrong. Or should I take a mod ruling on this which you love so much?

Also, funny of you to drop randomly and call me out like this ("Nobody takes me seriously, wah, wah".

Which is exactly your MO. Talk about weakness exploitation this week or you're alwaw grumpy like this?

Originally posted by carver9
Amazing post. Thanks darth.


After 15 years on this forum, still the cheerleading?

Rebirth Superman is mid tier. At least according to Comicvine.

Comicvine is full of retards.

People saying DD wasn't weakened AT THE START of him fighting DoS....

I mean, then what is the logic here? That the Ultimate Killer, Doomsday, held back?

That Superman grew weaker as time went on, until he was so weak he was able to kill DD?

That it was PIS? What?

Was Doomsday hitting Ted Kord as hard as he can?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
People saying DD wasn't weakened AT THE START of him fighting DoS....

I mean, then what is the logic here? That the Ultimate Killer, Doomsday, held back?

That Superman grew weaker as time went on, until he was so weak he was able to kill DD?

That it was PIS? What?

He was not yet tapping into the Heart Force.

Doomsday has no heart.

Reported for low-ballling

Originally posted by abhilegend
There's nothing stated about being at his highest density.

No, he doesn't and there's not even a slightest implication that he holds back.

Because puppet master told him such. Later he was going all out when puppet master gave him free reign.

What do you think being "unbelievably heavy" means?

Originally posted by TheHulkster
What do you think being "unbelievably heavy" means?
Not at maximum density.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Not at maximum density.

Then what does it mean if not maximum density?

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Then what does it mean if not maximum density?
Just unbelievably heavy.

Lmao.

Abhi, stop trolling. Puppet Master was CONTROLLING Hulk. He didnt give him permission to do anything. Puppet Master did EVERYTHING, not Hulk. This is different than Superman fight in Sacrifice where he controlled all of his movement.

Originally posted by abhilegend


After 15 years on this forum, still the cheerleading?

Lol... naah, you're just someone that try to stir things up by highlighting possible low showings and I'm the nut try to battle you back with low showings. Everyone knows how you debate. You do it all of the time with Thor, Surfer and Hulk and I fall for it. You started the thread out calling Hulk trash tier.