Can Batman KO Wolverine?
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AlbertoJohnAvil
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Batman is at maximum strength here. Can he KO logan unconscious?
Just if it's even for a minute...
https://i.postimg.cc/1nCS3W25/bts.jpg
Damborgson
Honestly? I don't see why Batman should be able to do something that Parker couldn't do.
Damborgson
Yeah, yeah I know the Superior Spiderman thing happened...but Wolverine was both uninterested in fighting all out and taken pretty badly by surprised.
Spiderman has previously absolutely wailed on Wolverine to little to no effect.
Sin I AM
Originally posted by Damborgson
Yeah, yeah I know the Superior Spiderman thing happened...but Wolverine was both uninterested in fighting all out and taken pretty badly by surprised.
Spiderman has previously absolutely wailed on Wolverine to little to no effect.
This is what I was thinking. Logan should kill Parker in a forum fight with little effort
Quick Freeze
Any incarnation of Spider-Man is strong enough to knock out Wolverine if he really wants to. The question is *can* Batman do it? Not even "Is it likely?" Is it possible? Yes. Regardless of anyone's erroneous opinions about Spider-Man, who has nothing to do with this anyway
Damborgson
I mean, Parker had his chance to prove it:
http://www.chasingamazingblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/SpiderManWolverine_07-e1374073972854.jpg
So it seems clear that if Wolverine can take this, he can take pretty much any punch Batman could deliver.
StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Isn't that Otto?
It is.
And Yost's Wolverine has been flash-ko'd by bullets bouncing off his skull.
AlbertoJohnAvil
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
It is.
And Yost's Wolverine has been flash-ko'd by bullets bouncing off his skull.
really?
StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
really?
Yes.
Basically, Wolverine under Yost was particularly easy to KO.
But, for a whole minute, as your OP specifies? Not sure. That's a lot of time.
Does Batman have his gear here?
AlbertoJohnAvil
Nah, It's Batman just his full strength lol
StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Nah, It's Batman just his full strength lol
And what levels do you want Wolverine to be operating at? Average?
Anything can happen in comics, but no, Bruce shouldn't be able to knock him out.
Wolverine's got that indestructible skeleton which actually absorbs the impact pretty well (it's no vibranium, but he did save Psylocke and Kurt from high falls, acting as a cushion under them) and - more importantly - a regenerative healing factor that fixes anything, from nerve damage to having all of his organs turned to jelly.
AlbertoJohnAvil
yeah, Logann at his average basically.
Super-fan1230
i love wolverine but i would honestly think Bruce could
Quick Freeze
Originally posted by Damborgson
I mean, Parker had his chance to prove it:
http://www.chasingamazingblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/SpiderManWolverine_07-e1374073972854.jpg
So it seems clear that if Wolverine can take this, he can take pretty much any punch Batman could deliver.
In that very same fight Wolverine says Spider-Man could kill him but he knows he won't bring himself do it and the fight gets interrupted.
Superior Spider-Man is still the powers of Spider-Man with Otto's mind.
It's all moot anyway cuz I thought Bats could at least use gadgetry, but bare knuckles it's probably not
StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
yeah, Logann at his average basically.
Then it won't happen.
Bruce's best bet would be going for pressure points and praying for that to work.
Is he allowed to choke Logan? Or rip his heart out, stuff like that?
Pure blunt force ain't gonna do the trick.
Sin I AM
Originally posted by Quick Freeze
Regardless of anyone's erroneous opinions about Spider-Man, who has nothing to do with this anyway
Whoa whoa whoa whoa.... whose erroneous opinion there big guy
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
yeah, Logann at his average basically.
What's average. He's been hit by everyone and not koed
StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by Quick Freeze
In that very same fight Wolverine says Spider-Man could kill him but he knows he won't bring himself do it and the fight gets interrupted.
Snapping Logan's neck wouldn't kill him (even beheading him didn't work). Not that it's likely to happen, seeing how WWH's direct punches failed to do that.
Originally posted by Quick Freeze
Superior Spider-Man is still the powers of Spider-Man with Otto's mind.
Guess who got up and put Otto at claw-point, shortly afterwards (less than a minute?
).
So much for Spider Sense.
Originally posted by Quick Freeze
It's all moot anyway cuz I thought Bats could at least use gadgetry, but bare knuckles it's probably not
He'd need to get creative. And very brutal.
But then it'd only be fair to start using some of Logan's better regen feats...
Quick Freeze
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Whoa whoa whoa whoa.... whose erroneous opinion there big guy
This one lol
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Logan should kill Parker in a forum fight with little effort
StiltmanFTW
Truth hurts?
This isn't the old KMC that wasn't aware of Logan's feats
That KMC has died.
Quick Freeze
Yes the immortal weasel man has some amazing feats for sure. I obviously remember old KMC having just as many Logan fanboys as Parker ones.
I'm sorry I missed your post earlier:
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Snapping Logan's neck wouldn't kill him (even beheading him didn't work). Not that it's likely to happen, seeing how WWH's direct punches failed to do that.
The neck snapping would still KO him whether it takes out his nervous system, circulation, or breathing when his brain stem is severed. But HF would allow him to recover for sure.
And yeah he gets back up. But that's not the question here. It's "can he be put down for a minute?"
Since it's just peak human Bats no gadgets, I'm with you. I don't think so
StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by Quick Freeze
Yes the immortal weasel man has some amazing feats for sure. I obviously remember old KMC having just as many Logan fanboys as Parker ones.
Jinzin, Srank and Capt, you mean.
Three fans against thirty.
Originally posted by Quick Freeze
I'm sorry I missed your post earlier:
The neck snapping would still KO him whether it takes out his nervous system, circulation, or breathing when his brain stem is severed. But HF would allow him to recover for sure.
And yeah he gets back up. But that's not the question here. It's "can he be put down for a minute?"
Since it's just peak human Bats no gadgets, I'm with you. I don't think so
Comics.
You're talking about the guy who was fighting (and winning) while having a gaping wound in the place of his heart. I mean, Logan's heart got ripped out and literally eaten by the villain. Then he proceeded to kick the villain's ass, just like that.
Creed tried snapping his neck as a finishing move... Wolverine kept fighting.
Laura got her neck legit snapped by Kimura, she was still conscious (incapacitated for a while, but conscious).
--
Anyway, back to Spider-Man vs. Wolverine --- Parker wasn't the only one holding back, as Wolverine even sheathed his claws in that fight.
PS. Peter is still mourning Charlemagne, as seen in Marvel Comics #1000. Nice to see that one-shot is still 100% canon, it was a good story.
Wolverine even kept pace with Parker webswinging through the city
Sin I AM
Originally posted by Quick Freeze
This one lol
I love Peter. Awesome character. He's in my top 20 all time favorite heroes. But in a death match unless he went ooc and tried to maybe put a web cartridge up Logan's nose he'd lose. Logan should take a solid majority over most melee fighters below Colossus level durability with few exceptions.
DarkSaint85
Is Logan fighting back?
If not, then yes he can.
If yes, then no he can't
Damborgson
Originally posted by Quick Freeze
In that very same fight Wolverine says Spider-Man could kill him but he knows he won't bring himself do it and the fight gets interrupted.
Superior Spider-Man is still the powers of Spider-Man with Otto's mind.
It's all moot anyway cuz I thought Bats could at least use gadgetry, but bare knuckles it's probably not
Well yeah, but we're talking punching power.
Point being, Batman can't do it....or shouldn't be able to do it at least.
StiltmanFTW
^
Classic Wolverine had no idea about his limits - he was suffering from a severe amnesia courtesy of Weapon X and Xavier. His healing factor was weaker, too.
No, a superhuman attempt at snapping his neck wouldn't kill him. Based on what we've seen on panel, it wouldn't even prevent him from fighting back.
AlbertoJohnAvil
to be fair KOs aren't prevented by healing
That's not how punches with batman works . He punches deliberately lol
AlbertoJohnAvil
hasn't Logan been Ko'ed consistently by less than Hulk tbh?
AlbertoJohnAvil
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Not really.
IIRC spiderman and elektra wouldn't have kod him. Or many others.
AlbertoJohnAvil
https://m.imgur.com/2wNKIxW
http://imgur.com/Mj9KATo
StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
https://m.imgur.com/2wNKIxW
http://imgur.com/Mj9KATo
So you want Wolverine to drink 25 beers, fight a small army and elite assassins before facing Batman?
AlbertoJohnAvil
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
So you want Wolverine to drink 25 beers, fight a small army and elite assassins before facing Batman?
Beers have proven useless with him. And he healed up from all that. Context is deeper than you think
StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Beers have proven useless with him. And he healed up from all that. Context is deeper than you think
His healing factor gets taxed, its performance suffers.
Try learning some basic facts about the character's powerset next time.
AlbertoJohnAvil
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
His healing factor gets taxed, its performance suffers.
Try learning some basic facts about the character's powerset next time.
It doesn't get taxed by that as salot more is required and nothing claimed it was taxed. Headcanon isn't useful here
StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
It doesn't get taxed by that as salot more is required and nothing claimed it was taxed. Headcanon isn't useful here
It's how his mutant power works. It's being elaborated on here, for example:
https://tinyurl.com/yyykbuy5
Wolverine had taken a shitload of punishment before he fought Mister X. Ignoring that is ridiculous.
Stoic
Wolverine took hits from an out of control Sasquatch and remained conscious. Are we saying that Batman hits harder than this?
bluewaterrider
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
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Batman is at maximum strength here. Can he KO logan unconscious?
Just if it's even for a minute...
Batman has knocked out Wonder Woman villains with a single blow.
If it's only for a minute, of course he can knock Wolverine unconscious.
The idea that it takes Hulk-level force to knock out Wolverine isn't consistently supported by Wolverine's actual comic book appearances, either.
Wolverine versus Daredevil.
https://s6d8.turboimg.net/t1/34700480_image.jpg https://s6d8.turboimg.net/t1/34700481_image.jpg
Source: Wolverine #24, Volume 3. Enemy of the State, Part 5 of 6.
Wolverine versus Captain America.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=641421&pagenumber=9
Source: Wolverine #25, Volume 3. Enemy of the State, Part 6 of 6.
Wolverine versus Sabretooth.
https://s6d8.turboimg.net/t1/34698866_image.jpg https://s6d8.turboimg.net/t1/34698867_image.jpg
Source: Wolverine #10, Volume 1.
Wolverine versus Spider-Man.
https://s6d8.turboimg.net/t1/34693382_image.jpg
Source: Superior Spider-Man storyline (Otto Octavius a.k.a. Doctor Octopus)
Wolverine versus Thing.
https://s6d8.turboimg.net/t1/34693469_image.jpg https://s6d8.turboimg.net/t1/34693470_image.jpg
Source: Fantastic Four versus X-Men 4-part miniseries
Wolverine versus Namor.
https://s6d7.turboimg.net/t1/34699745_image.jpg
Source: New Warriors storyline ... Wolverine and Namor bring the villain Nitro to justice after the murder of Namorita
Wolverine versus Magneto.
https://s6d7.turboimg.net/t1/34699230_image.jpg
Source: Uncanny X-Men. Want to say issue 108, Volume 1.
Wolverine versus Hulk.
https://s6d7.turboimg.net/t1/34699744_image.jpg
Source: The Incredible Hulk #181, Volume 1.
DarkSaint85
Say what you will about BWrider, but he ALWAYS brings the references
Sin I AM
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Say what you will about BWrider, but he ALWAYS brings the references
Misinterpreted references are worse than not having them at all tho
bluewaterrider
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StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Misinterpreted references are worse than not having them at all tho
cdtm
Originally posted by Damborgson
I mean, Parker had his chance to prove it:
http://www.chasingamazingblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/SpiderManWolverine_07-e1374073972854.jpg
So it seems clear that if Wolverine can take this, he can take pretty much any punch Batman could deliver.
Parker has world of cardboard syndrome. Odds are, he was hitting with LESS force then Batman there, who could nail a meta with more then enough force to shatter a normals skull.
StiltmanFTW
Don't be ridiculous.
cdtm
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Say what you will about BWrider, but he ALWAYS brings the references
He missed a few:
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/123441/3697206-2.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/A1oJsNo.jpg
cdtm
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Don't be ridiculous.
Sin Eater.
One of the few times Parker completely goes off on a normal human level character. Beats him so bad, he ended up a stuttering cripple. Peter literally jumped out the window when he saw what he did.
Now, you think someone like that wouldn't sub consciously pull his punch's back so far, he'd barely bruise a normal guy where someone like Batman would shatter a femur? Much less a "Batman Year One" extended hospitalization a S.W.A.T. guy enjoyed for shooting at a cat?
StiltmanFTW
Hammerhead.
Parker breaks his hand on adamantium, Wolverine is not affected.
You admitted yourself you haven't read much of Marvel and it's being painfully obvious now
panthergod
The answer is yes, absolutely
Batman's pressure point strikes have hurt WW.
Sin I AM
Originally posted by cdtm
Sin Eater.
One of the few times Parker completely goes off on a normal human level character. Beats him so bad, he ended up a stuttering cripple. Peter literally jumped out the window when he saw what he did.
Now, you think someone like that wouldn't sub consciously pull his punch's back so far, he'd barely bruise a normal guy where someone like Batman would shatter a femur? Much less a "Batman Year One" extended hospitalization a S.W.A.T. guy enjoyed for shooting at a cat?
Sin-Eater beatdown is an outlier though. That was not a typical Spider man
StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by panthergod
The answer is yes, absolutely
Batman's pressure point strikes have hurt WW.
Bypassing Wolverine's durability ain't the problem. Making the damage last is.
Echo, who was using Matt's, Lester's techniques (among others) failed to incapacitate Logan via nerve strikes.
DarkSaint85
Yeah, like I said, if Logan isn't fighting back, Batman can KO him.
StiltmanFTW
Which was probably the best post so far.
He could keep repeating the lethal techniques Shiva (and others) taught him. He could also get creative. Or 100% gore with his spiky gauntlets.
No time limit, either. So he could eventually tax Logan's hf.
Bentley
Daredevil can ko Wolverine, but Bruce is no Matt
StiltmanFTW
Daredevil has stunned Wolverine at best, back when Ennis was shitting on every superhero ever created.
cdtm
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Hammerhead.
Parker breaks his hand on adamantium, Wolverine is not affected.
You admitted yourself you haven't read much of Marvel and it's being painfully obvious now
I'm not quite THAT ignorant. I know stuff! I'm smart!
Don't call me Fredo.
And besides, Spidey's durability is all over the place. Once upon a time, he needed web gloves just to hit Hulk without breaking his knuckles.
StiltmanFTW
He hurt his hands striking She-Hulk, Lizard, Tombstone, Sandman and plenty of others, too.
Stronger and more durable characters hurt themselves punching Logan.
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