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https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/104431/4725669-4023355436-hickm.jpg

MM.

Hmmm interesting fight.

MMH should win, but the team can potentially trouble him.

Seal him in a bubble and flame him down, assuming the thing can hold him off momentarily.

Realistically though, MMH should be able to shut all their minds down.

MMH.

J'ohn *should* stomp this. In a comic he'd probably trip over Reed's stretched nose right into Johny as he's going Nova on Namor, or some shit like that.

MMH sees the flaming four logo in the sky and strokes out

Jeez Reed is stacked as phuck in that pic.

Early Hickman Reed was a Putinbot tier daddy.

It'd be an interesting fight without Telepathy.





In the sense that Thing would ko him with his sunday punch.

Originally posted by Damborgson
Hmmm interesting fight.

MMH should win, but the team can potentially trouble him.

Seal him in a bubble and flame him down, assuming the thing can hold him off momentarily.

Realistically though, MMH should be able to shut all their minds down.

Jean couldnt sense Sue through her shields or afgect her telepathically. Onslaughts TP strom that was devastating others had zero effect on Sue throigh her shield. Why would Jonn' be more successful?

Sue puts up shields around team and Jonn's TP is sona non gradda. He isnt shutting down anyone.

Current Ben OHKO's J'onn.

The most powerful being on the face of the Earth takes it.

Originally posted by playa1258
The most powerful being on the face of the Earth takes it.

So bo one wins?

Because niether side of this battle has the "most powerful being on the face of the earth"

J'onn.

He TPs Human Torch into a coma, then has fun with the rest.

Originally posted by beatboks
So bo one wins?

Because niether side of this battle has the "most powerful being on the face of the earth" I'm not serious but MMH takes it due to being more powerful than the FF4.

Originally posted by playa1258
I'm not serious but MMH takes it due to being more powerful than the FF4.

Sue's shields have dealt with people a lot more powerful than MMH

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-5193f2349efe8cb12c27dcd267c4cd6f

Maybe Jonn' can beat celestials too and make them have to reform

Assuming Reed has no time to plan and pull some BS, MM destroys them.

Originally posted by beatboks
Jean couldnt sense Sue through her shields or afgect her telepathically. Onslaughts TP strom that was devastating others had zero effect on Sue throigh her shield. Why would Jonn' be more successful?

Sue puts up shields around team and Jonn's TP is sona non gradda. He isnt shutting down anyone.

I would like to see this encounter between Jean and Sue. Because the only one I remember was a then recently resurrected Jean w/o TP only TK having a confrontation with Sue. I also remember Onslaught's storm being a psionic hurricane meaning that Cable was able to block it with just TK and Susan with her shields. Not a pure mental assault.

Emma was able to use TP on Sue through her shield.

https://i.imgur.com/tZxbnbmh.jpg

So was the Futurist.

https://i.imgur.com/BnKmqpdh.jpg

MM will TP the F4 unless he freaks out from seeing the flames of the Human Torch which is a decent possibility.

Originally posted by Supermutant
I would like to see this encounter between Jean and Sue. Because the only one I remember was a then recently resurrected Jean w/o TP only TK having a confrontation with Sue. I also remember Onslaught's storm being a psionic hurricane meaning that Cable was able to block it with just TK and Susan with her shields. Not a pure mental assault.

Emma was able to use TP on Sue through her shield.

https://i.imgur.com/tZxbnbmh.jpg

So was the Futurist.

https://i.imgur.com/BnKmqpdh.jpg

MM will TP the F4 unless he freaks out from seeing the flames of the Human Torch which is a decent possibility.

Well if she didnt have TP why does she state she should have sensed her with her TP which was why she didnt believe they were human and therfore the real FF

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/4/41801/843754-840873_invisiblewoman9_super.jpg

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/4/41801/843754-840873_invisiblewoman9_super.jpg

Psi lord was also unable to read her mind unless she lowered her shields. He dragged out a battle deliberately making her use them as much as possible knowing at the time she couldnt maintain them long

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/7/78977/1790245-843781_iwvspl_super.jpg

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/7/78977/1790246-843782_iwvspl2_super.jpg

Also X4 (where Emma TPd her thru shield) if I'm not mistaken isnt canon.

J'onn wins, or stalemate. Sue may, or may not be able to stop J'onn with a force field, because he may be able to phase through it.

Originally posted by beatboks
Well if she didnt have TP why does she state she should have sensed her with her TP which was why she didnt believe they were human and therfore the real FF

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/4/41801/843754-840873_invisiblewoman9_super.jpg

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/4/41801/843754-840873_invisiblewoman9_super.jpg

Psi lord was also unable to read her mind unless she lowered her shields. He dragged out a battle deliberately making her use them as much as possible knowing at the time she couldnt maintain them long

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/7/78977/1790245-843781_iwvspl_super.jpg

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/7/78977/1790246-843782_iwvspl2_super.jpg

Also X4 (where Emma TPd her thru shield) if I'm not mistaken isnt canon.

Because she just awoke from a really long coma and believed that she still had all of her powers. The F4 recovered Jean in that cocoon like thing from the bottom of the bay. Jean could barely even stand up, and didn't have TP.

https://imgur.com/a/A3eHRn9

A lot of it is explained in Fantastic Four #286, where your scans and the above scans in my link comes from.

https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Fantastic_Four_Vol_1_286

So again Jean did not have her telepathy at this time. It was revealed shortly after this in X-factor, that she lost it while incubating in that cocoon in the Jamaican Bay. That's why she couldn't read Sue's mind. She didn't gain it back until her fight with Psynapse on the astral plane. So this is not an example of Sue blocking Jean telepathy but rather blocking telekinesis, of an extremely weak Jean.

Below Onslaught messes with her and bishop's senses through her shields.
https://i.imgur.com/FTsMeC9h.jpg

Below Cable keeps Sue telepathically hidden from Apocalypse. Meaning that her shields would not have kept Apocalypse from mentally sensing her.
https://imgur.com/nF3c7Ph

Yes, I'm aware of her son from the future. But he doesn't even try a mental attack against her shields, he just tricks her. Probably didn't want to risk hurting mommy too bad.

I think you are confusing X4 with Ultimate X4 as X4 refers to Marvel's continuity all throughout the limited series.

https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/X-Men_/_Fantastic_Four_Vol_1_1

Is Reed's prep allowed?

MMH wins without prep from FF4, with prep is a different story.

Originally posted by beatboks
Also X4 (where Emma TPd her thru shield) if I'm not mistaken isnt canon.

It's canon, there has never been any doubt about this.

https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/X-Men_/_Fantastic_Four_Vol_1_1

This is...so weird.

And I do mean weird.

Beatboks already had this discussion in a battlezone, and it was he who brought up Jean not having TP in the instance he mention in this thread.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f105/t648616.html



.........?

And in the same mini-tourney the Emma scan was brought up:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f105/t649370.html

...so he'd know it's not canon.

........?

Its my vague memory of that and another debate that made me come to this conclusion.

I recalled being beaten in two tourneys by someone using Sue against TPers and showing her blocking TP with shields (and then googled her vs TP when this came up). I could remember one was vs Jean and another was a team one vs Hank King (Brainwave Jnr).

I thought I'd lost both because I got that wrong. I remember one judge saying in the Bw Jnr one that the emma scan wasnt canon when I used it.

If thats not the case then clearly I'm wrong. I've never really read much FF so basing purely on what Ive been shown in debates

Originally posted by beatboks

I remember one judge saying in the Bw Jnr one that the emma scan wasnt canon when I used it.


KMC judges are not infallible. Far from it.

It is canon, it's packed with a shitload of references and takes place in the "Astonishing" era of Whedon's X-Men.

It just shouldn't be confused with the Ultimate mini-series with the same title, as Supermutant said.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
KMC judges are not infallible. Far from it.

It is canon, it's packed with a shitload of references and takes place in the "Astonishing" era of Whedon's X-Men.

It just shouldn't be confused with the Ultimate mini-series with the same title, as Supermutant said.

That being the case then I'm obviously wrong and MMH wins via TP.

Funny thing is I'd considered picking Sue in a team tourney on another site as protection from TP on the back of gettin my but kicked twice with a TPer against her. That would have backfired on me, wouldn't it?

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
KMC judges are not infallible. Far from it.

It is canon, it's packed with a shitload of references and takes place in the "Astonishing" era of Whedon's X-Men.

It just shouldn't be confused with the Ultimate mini-series with the same title, as Supermutant said.

Tbf, the judges ruled in my favour because later on in that exact series, Susan kicks Emma's arse in a quickdraw contest....

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Tbf, the judges ruled in my favour because later on in that exact series, Susan kicks Emma's arse in a quickdraw contest....

It wasnt our match I'm referring to that stilman replied to. It was a match on another site where I had BW Jnr. When the jean scan came up I used the emma one and a voter stated it wasnt canon.

Sue is so annoying.

Writers do whatever they want with her... either she'll be portrayed as a feeble b*tch who can get pimpslapped by anyone or she'll threaten to blow up everyone's insides before the fight even starts.

She needs to go back to her Invisible Girl persona, that's what worked the best.

https://tinyurl.com/y6togcfv

Good times. Stan was the man.

Originally posted by beatboks
Well if she didnt have TP why does she state she should have sensed her with her TP which was why she didnt believe they were human and therfore the real FF

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/4/41801/843754-840873_invisiblewoman9_super.jpg

I know someone already pointed this out but this was a Jean with no Tp and had just woken up from being in a COMA for YEARS.

This is what happens when it's a fully rested Jean vs a mind controlled bloodlusted Sue :
https://i.postimg.cc/Hc14ngFd/6856722-4020101549-68339.jpghttps://i.postimg.cc/RqcKPyyn/6856721-8520569809-68339.jpg
Jean's TK vs Sue's forcefields. PS Jean still didn't have her TP here. Notice it was Sue that initiated the attack and Jean beat back her force power.

Originally posted by Adam Grimes
J'ohn *should* stomp this. In a comic he'd probably trip over Reed's stretched nose right into Johny as he's going Nova on Namor, or some shit like that.

.....I can see that happening.