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Who wins?

FFS Why? As if this is going to go well...

Thor have Mjlonir back. Without Mjlonir, Superman stomps... with Mjlonir either way 6/10.

Originally posted by BrolyBlack
FFS Why? As if this is going to go well... What are FF's? rather it goes well or not, it's a free forum to post any match within reason, so just let the chips fall where it may and let the moderators deal with it if it gets out of hand.

That sounds reasonable.

Originally posted by lawest9
What are FF's? rather it goes well or not, it's a free forum to post any match within reason, so just let the chips fall where it may and let the moderators deal with it if it gets out of hand.

FFS = For F**ks Sake.

Krypto bites odinson's dick off. Stops making DC favored spite threads please. This isn't the first one

Originally posted by MrMind
Krypto bites odinson's dick off. Stops making DC favored spite threads please. This isn't the first one Thor.......and with milling........vs current Superman is NOT a "spite thread" and I stand by that, with Superman's vulnerability to magic there's a even chance here for both combatants.

Then this definitely makes for an interesting fight, doesn't it?

A counter question to that would be...........what's to stop Thor from hitting Superman so hard with mjolnir that he does likewise, I remember in a what story decades ago Thor broke Hulk's neck with his bare hands, not to say that he'll do that to Clark but it's something to yhink about?

Not saying that Thor would win or lose this fight either way, but I believe he's fast enough to hit Supes, the wuestiin here is....
.
.how effective would the blow be?

Correction..........QUESTION

Thor tanked a barrage of hits from Mangog, and an amped Juggernaut stronger than ever and you think Supes punching him is gonna get the job done quickly?

I could spam a dozen of blunt force trauma resistance from Thor but its common sense now

@Broly, bruh stop it.

Thor's lightning gonna do massive damage to Superman.

https://i.postimg.cc/Z0ccfM7S/bra.jpg

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
@Broly, bruh stop it.

Thor's lightning gonna do massive damage to Superman.

https://i.postimg.cc/Z0ccfM7S/bra.jpg

You're aware that CURRENT Superman is VASTLY more powerful than the one depicted in that picture, right?

according to mod ruling, they share feats so that applies

...Did you actually not type in CAPS for once lol..

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
You're aware that CURRENT Superman is VASTLY more powerful than the one depicted in that picture, right?

In his solo titles by Bendis?

Also I'll say this, the means by which Thor summons the lightening is magical itself, not the actual lightening which probably wouldn't faze Supes.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
@Broly, bruh stop it.

Thor's lightning gonna do massive damage to Superman.

https://i.postimg.cc/Z0ccfM7S/bra.jpg

Oceanmanster barley affected him.

Akso who else was affected by that lightning in that instance, do tell.

Superman cracks his skull in one punch.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
according to mod ruling, they share feats so that applies

...Did you actually not type in CAPS for once lol..



He doesn't get how "shared feats" works.

Yeah, lol.

Lmao , Spite

A battle between thor and superman is never a spite thread. Thors hammer is fully capable of koing or killing superman. Superman fans need to stop being so ultra bias when it comes to superman. He CAN lose a fight.

Originally posted by JBL THE GREAT
A battle between thor and superman is never a spite thread. Thors hammer is fully capable of koing or killing superman. Superman fans need to stop being so ultra bias when it comes to superman. He CAN lose a fight.
Lmao another comic vine fan , first of all Superman being ko'ed to magic is only Plot induced and many times he has withstood a great amount of magic before and Lighting travels at millisecond at best which has been proved by university of Illinois and Superman casually operates at nano-second

Originally posted by Super-fan1230
Lmao , Spite In whose favor?

Originally posted by Super-fan1230
Lmao another comic vine fan , first of all Superman being ko'ed to magic is only Plot induced and many times he has withstood a great amount of magic before and Lighting travels at millisecond at best which has been proved by university of Illinois and Superman casually operates at nano-second I have heard if Comic vine. Never been a member though. But i have heard that they are accused of hating superman because they dont worship him and at the same time, i see members of comic vine accuse KMC of worshipping superman. You dont like comic vine do you?

Originally posted by lawest9
In whose favor?
Supes

Originally posted by JBL THE GREAT
I have heard if Comic vine. Never been a member though. But i have heard that they are accused of hating superman because they dont worship him and at the same time, i see members of comic vine accuse KMC of worshipping superman. You dont like comic vine do you?
Hate it , most of them say that SPOM is only solar system level and then there is that one a** who says that SPOM is multi-planetary only.

Originally posted by Super-fan1230
Hate it , most of them say that SPOM is only solar system level and then there is that one a** who says that SPOM is multi-planetary only. Yet you claim that im from comic vine because i say a fight between thor and superman is not spite and comics and writers support that view?? You really should look at yourself and how you think before accusing them of the same thing you do by worshipping superman. You accuse them of having him too low for your liking, while at the same time, they say you have him too High.

Superman wins.

Originally posted by JBL THE GREAT
Yet you claim that im from comic vine because i say a fight between thor and superman is not spite and comics and writers support that view?? You really should look at yourself and how you think before accusing them of the same thing you do by worshipping superman. You accuse them of having him too low for your liking, while at the same time, they say you have him too High.
It's not just me lmao
Quora
KMC
Instagram battle community
i can go on

Originally posted by Super-fan1230
It's not just me lmao
Quora
KMC
Instagram battle community
i can go on
and btw the thread says current Superman vs current Thor and no writers have said anything regarding current versions

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
according to mod ruling, they share feats so that applies

...Did you actually not type in CAPS for once lol..
....

Does logic not work with you?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman cracks his skull in one punch.

Superman isn't stronger than current Juggs or Mangog so that's not happening

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Superman isn't stronger than current Juggs or Mangog so that's not happening
Show me either destroying a planet by just jumping then. Mangog died in a sun lol.

What strength feats does Juggernaut has which aren't scaling?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Show me either destroying a planet by just jumping then. Mangog died in a sun lol.

What strength feats does Juggernaut has which aren't scaling?

I thought you said space cheese feats were irrelevant? and we go by relative strength showings...?

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
I thought you said space cheese feats were irrelevant? and we go by relative strength showings...?
I'm applying comicvine knowledge.

As per relative showings? Who is the standard for comparison then? Because post Crisis Superman himself was vastly stronger than Thor and he is only half of current Superman strength wise.

I don't think we can use the JLA crossover on here.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
I don't think we can use the JLA crossover on here.
So who is going to be standard for relative portrayals?

Say if a random Kryptonian is 100, what would be Thor's strength? Just remember, a adolescent Jon Kent broke out of time stop by brute strength and went through a gigantic black hole.

Originally posted by abhilegend
So who is going to be standard for relative portrayals?

Say if a random Kryptonian is 100, what would be Thor's strength? Just remember, a adolescent Jon Kent broke out of time stop by brute strength and went through a gigantic black hole.

How do you quantify "breaking out of time stop"

Also, for relative showings:

In the last issues of Amazing X-Men Vol.2, Base Juggs oneshot killed the Living Monolith EASILY w/ sheer brute force. In Marvel Team Up Vol.1 #70, Thor confirmed that the Living Monolith's power rivals that of both Thanos (who was a Prime Eternal at the time) and the Destroyer. Base Juggs left a CRATER where the LM's chest was.

Here's the scan where In Amazing X-Men Vol.2 #18. Current Base Juggy oneshot doublesmash kills the Living Monolith.:

https://i.postimg.cc/k2n1w3NW/lva.jpg

Next page. We see a CRATER where the Living Monolith's chest should be.:

https://i.postimg.cc/GTCJ2Gqv/nas.jpg

Originally posted by abhilegend
I'm applying comicvine knowledge.

As per relative showings? Who is the standard for comparison then? Because post Crisis Superman himself was vastly stronger than Thor and he is only half of current Superman strength wise.

Where is it stated that he's half strength of current?

Originally posted by JBL THE GREAT
A battle between thor and superman is never a spite thread. Thors hammer is fully capable of koing or killing superman. Superman fans need to stop being so ultra bias when it comes to superman. He CAN lose a fight.

Agreed

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
How do you quantify "breaking out of time stop"
Better than Thor's strength level. Or Hulk who have been frozen like nothing inside time stop.

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-gjvxyCDIJy4/VoOJ4xpVEWI/AAAAAAAAHFs/0pgjdnj7kqg/s1600-Ic42/RCO012.jpgOriginally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Also, for relative showings:

In the last issues of Amazing X-Men Vol.2, Base Juggs oneshot killed the Living Monolith EASILY w/ sheer brute force. In Marvel Team Up Vol.1 #70, Thor confirmed that the Living Monolith's power rivals that of both Thanos (who was a Prime Eternal at the time) and the Destroyer. Base Juggs left a CRATER where the LM's chest was. Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Here's the scan where In Amazing X-Men Vol.2 #18. Current Base Juggy oneshot doublesmash kills the Living Monolith.:

https://i.postimg.cc/k2n1w3NW/lva.jpg

Next page. We see a CRATER where the Living Monolith's chest should be.:

https://i.postimg.cc/GTCJ2Gqv/nas.jpg
And Base Juggernaut couldn't even move a truck Deadpool hit him with.

Relative showings and empty statements take you only so far.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Where is it stated that he's half strength of current?
He was split in half. He said it was to weaken him. Do the math.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Better than Thor's strength level. Or Hulk who have been frozen like nothing inside time stop.

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-gjvxyCDIJy4/VoOJ4xpVEWI/AAAAAAAAHFs/0pgjdnj7kqg/s1600-Ic42/RCO012.jpg
And Base Juggernaut couldn't even move a truck Deadpool hit him with.

Relative showings and empty statements take you only so far.

that happened in a non canon issue though

and Superman was ran over by a tractor

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
that happened in a non canon issue though

and Superman was ran over by a tractor

You mean when Frankenstein hit him with one?

that tractor smash would send odinson six feet under and keep him there forever

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Where is it stated that he's half strength of current?

Post Crisis Superman was split into 2 Supes. When they were split, this did not affect new 52 Superman whereas the real Superman was EXTREMELY weakened. If you're broken into 2 halves and you're put back together, common sense should tell you that you're made whole again. People here thinks that putting 2 halves back together again makes you stronger. If it was any other character, this would not even be a debate. Rebirth Superman IS post crisis Superman. Even Superman himself admitted Hank, Cyborg Superman is his equal in strength and speed.

Hes every bit as fast and strong as me...

https://comicnewbies.files.wordpress.com/2018/03/why-superman-feels-sorry-for-cyborg-superman-4-e1521729046797.jpg

Also, before people mention he dodged Cyborg Superman, Cyborg was weakened...

https://comicnewbies.files.wordpress.com/2018/03/why-superman-feels-sorry-for-cyborg-superman-6-e1521729073752.jpg

Originally posted by carver9
Post Crisis Superman was split into 2 Supes. When they were split, this did not affect new 52 Superman whereas the real Superman was EXTREMELY weakened. If you're broken into 2 halves and you're put back together, common sense should tell you that you're made whole again. People here thinks that putting 2 halves back together again makes you stronger. If it was any other character, this would not even be a debate. Rebirth Superman IS post crisis Superman. Even Superman himself admitted Hank, Cyborg Superman is his equal in strength and speed.

It's because n52 had that benching the Earth feat - which was far and away more than post crisis.

There is also this:

https://i.postimg.cc/BvL69s0V/RCO019.jpg

Where post-Crisis Superman would have been killed...Rebirth is still alive and walking around.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
It's because n52 had that benching the Earth feat - which was far and away more than post crisis.

There is also this:

https://i.postimg.cc/BvL69s0V/RCO019.jpg

Where post-Crisis Superman would have been killed...Rebirth is still alive and walking around.

His bench pressing ft...It was a high end ft... a good high end ft but that's exactly what it was and remember, Pre Rebirth Superman was weakened, not DCNU Supes.

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11132/111321350/5884997-supergirl%20%282016-%29%20008-016.jpg

Superman outright states that HE was weakened and this was continuously said when he came back. This is the same guy that thought he was going to die when a mountain fell on him and was knocked out until nightfall... and again, Superman outright states Hank is his physical equal.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Superman's powers are psionically based, if his "Essence" is halved so will his powers.

Not if there is indirect correlation, but wouldn't that be belief in self though? The split appears to be a personality split with pre-Flashpoint getting the cerebral part and New 52 getting the rash part. Each is less than whole (thus weakened), but not necessarily lesser in physical power.

Do feats support rebirth being above New 52?

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Superman isn't stronger than current Juggs or Mangog so that's not happening
Reported
Whole Shite, did Galan see this. Hope he will now, your blatant trolling needs to be culled.

How is that trolling? YOU can make a case for either of them being stronger. Current Mangog is DEFINATELY herald level, Current Juggernaut is a Juggernaut that's stronger than ever and isn't holding back. DID you even read X-men black?

Yes, let's think someone that can rip apart the Destroyer Armor but can't beat Supes is "Trolling"

https://i.postimg.cc/TKD4MkDP/6251224-6250931-0192117435-62351.jpg

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Yes, let's think someone that can rip apart the Destroyer Armor but can't beat Supes is "Trolling"

https://i.postimg.cc/TKD4MkDP/6251224-6250931-0192117435-62351.jpg

What recent Superman comics have you read?

Would you like to go feat for feat to back up your claim?

I'm catching up on Bendis' two titles. Any significant feats in those books? I'm behind.

@JL King...

Earth core was killing Rebirth Superman...

https://static4.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11116/111162583/5555885-superman%20earths%20core.jpg

And you're mentioning Mangog being killed by the sun. Superman outright admitted he couldnt last long in the core of Earth. Not the first time it happened either. The energy in Earth core before this has outright took Superman (and Wraith) powers away from him. Let's not bring up Mangog lows as if Superman doesnt have any...hell, he have WORSE.

Nothing in that scan says he was being killed.

Originally posted by BrolyBlack
Nothing in that scan says he was being killed.

Make sure to read the 3rd scan...

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-64fc0e5a984e1054d9129ede727a1a12
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-ccbf25fddb5fc60d3d3adec1d4e750fe
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-6d9b072fffb7bd7fb4f684587803fe11
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-cefc7a76ce26038c16634a03bfbdfe8f

In Mangog's appearance in Thunderstrike, he is cast into a star and returns in Aaron's Thor. Thor states that Mangog cannot truly by killed. So right now, he is only presumed to be dead.

Current Thor has mjolnir again?

Originally posted by carver9
The energy in Earth core before this has outright took Superman (and Wraith) powers away from him. This isn't an argument I'd want to be making carver, because based on what you're saying this means that the energy of the Earth core strips away their powers, which is to say that it's a weakness they have and not an example of their durability failing.

Using this same rationale a blast that was less than city busting beat Immortal Hulk, right?

Yep

Glad you agree.

Originally posted by NemeBro
This isn't an argument I'd want to be making carver, because based on what you're saying this means that the energy of the Earth core strips away their powers, which is to say that it's a weakness they have and not an example of their durability failing.

Using this same rationale a blast that was less than city busting beat Immortal Hulk, right?

That was for DCNU Superman. Rebirth Superman outright admitted he was helpless in Earths core. Different effects for both but it proves that the core of Earth is too much. That's IF we are using this as an average.

Here is the DCNU scene. Someone like Magneto would be devastating if we took the context from this one scene at face value...

http://abload.de/image.php?img=supermanunchained8-3ygkl5.jpg

Think people need to be consistent with their debating style.

Originally posted by carver9
That was for DCNU Superman. Rebirth Superman outright admitted he was helpless in Earths core. Different effects for both but it proves that the core of Earth is too much. That's IF we are using this as an average. Then why are you bringing it up as evidence to support an average? mmm

You're also just frankly remembering events wrong by the way, Superman and Wraith were not hurt at all by being in the Earth's mantle and Superman explicitly notes they both still have their strength, speed, and wits. The magnetic force from the Earth's core was just interfering with the more versatile usage of their common powersets that Wraith was using to dominate Superman. Wraith losing access to these abilities just put them on a more level playing field. Superman himself was fine.

https://i.imgur.com/yHSjssE.jpg

edit: You might want to read your scan again.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Then why are you bringing it up as evidence to support an average? mmm

You're also just frankly remembering events wrong by the way, Superman and Wraith were not hurt at all by being in the Earth's mantle and Superman explicitly notes they both still have their strength, speed, and wits. The magnetic force from the Earth's core was just interfering with the more versatile usage of their common powersets that Wraith was using to dominate Superman. Wraith losing access to these abilities just put them on a more level playing field. Superman himself was fine.

https://i.imgur.com/yHSjssE.jpg

I said it took their powers away and it did take the versatility part of their powers. It's common sense it didnt strip them of their physical stats because they wouldve died, lol.

Originally posted by carver9
I said it took their powers away and it did take the versatility part of their powers. It's common sense it didnt strip them of their physical stats because they wouldve died, lol. "It can't help but interfere with all those fancy powers of yours".

Did it affect some of Superman's powers, like heat vision or super senses? Maybe. Or maybe those powers are basic enough as opposed to the more fine-tuned wielding of Wraith's electromagnetic powers that the magnetic force didn't interfere with them. We don't know, and for you to claim otherwise is wrong carver.

But I will give you this carver: it may certainly be that the usage of Mangog's fairly low showing of being apparently killed by being thrown into the sun as gospel while ignoring Superman having serious trouble in the Earth's core is hypocritical. I'm not too read up on Mangog so I can't say for sure, but based on his relative portrayals that I've been led to believe I'd imagine he should probably have better durability than that.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
that happened in a non canon issue though

and Superman was ran over by a tractor
How's that non canon?

From behind, he threw the steamroller just fine. Originally posted by carver9
Hes every bit as fast and strong as me...

https://comicnewbies.files.wordpress.com/2018/03/why-superman-feels-sorry-for-cyborg-superman-4-e1521729046797.jpg

Also, before people mention he dodged Cyborg Superman, Cyborg was weakened...

https://comicnewbies.files.wordpress.com/2018/03/why-superman-feels-sorry-for-cyborg-superman-6-e1521729073752.jpg
Superman Reborn warped reality of every Superman rogue

They are now scaled to Reborn Superman.

Originally posted by carver9
His bench pressing ft...It was a high end ft... a good high end ft but that's exactly what it was and remember, Pre Rebirth Superman was weakened, not DCNU Supes.

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11132/111321350/5884997-supergirl%20%282016-%29%20008-016.jpg

Superman outright states that HE was weakened and this was continuously said when he came back. This is the same guy that thought he was going to die when a mountain fell on him and was knocked out until nightfall... and again, Superman outright states Hank is his physical equal.
That was due to Vandal Savage.

Originally posted by abhilegend


He was weakened due to Vandal Savage. Jurgens confirmed it.

https://mobile.twitter.com/thedanjurgens/status/743479302646177792

And Superman in rebirth was stated to be more powerful than new 52 Superman due to absorbing more power from the sun.

https://s33.postimg.cc/agv13jcln/image.jpg

Shut up.

Originally posted by carver9
@JL King...

Earth core was killing Rebirth Superman...

https://static4.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11116/111162583/5555885-superman%20earths%20core.jpg

And you're mentioning Mangog being killed by the sun. Superman outright admitted he couldnt last long in the core of Earth. Not the first time it happened either. The energy in Earth core before this has outright took Superman (and Wraith) powers away from him. Let's not bring up Mangog lows as if Superman doesnt have any...hell, he have WORSE.
Half of current Superman, current Superman dives into the sun at weakened level for fun.

Mangog died in the sun. How's both comparable?

Even teen Jon can survive going through black holes.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Even Jon Kent fared better against such a black hole than Surfer did.

https://i.postimg.cc/hf9gp8Gh/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/68cKN9nX/image.jpg


Forget about Superman.

Jon Kent > Mangog > Asgard. I love it

Originally posted by NemeBro
"It can't help but interfere with all those fancy powers of yours".

Did it affect some of Superman's powers, like heat vision or super senses? Maybe. Or maybe those powers are basic enough as opposed to the more fine-tuned wielding of Wraith's electromagnetic powers that the magnetic force didn't interfere with them. We don't know, and for you to claim otherwise is wrong carver.

But I will give you this carver: it may certainly be that the usage of Mangog's fairly low showing of being apparently killed by being thrown into the sun as gospel while ignoring Superman having serious trouble in the Earth's core is hypocritical. I'm not too read up on Mangog so I can't say for sure, but based on his relative portrayals that I've been led to believe I'd imagine he should probably have better durability than that.

Superman states that the only thing they can do down there is fist it out. Seems obvious to me.

Originally posted by abhilegend
How's that non canon?

From behind, he threw the steamroller just fine.
Superman Reborn warped reality of every Superman rogue

They are now scaled to Reborn Superman.

Where is this stated? I honestly dont even think you want to make that claim anyways because I have a LOT I can use to further my case on Supermans strength.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Yes, let's think someone that can rip apart the Destroyer Armor but can't beat Supes is "Trolling"

https://i.postimg.cc/TKD4MkDP/6251224-6250931-0192117435-62351.jpg
Destroyer was ripped apart by zombie Loki just recently.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Half of current Superman, current Superman dives into the sun at weakened level for fun.

Mangog died in the sun. How's both comparable?

Even teen Jon can survive going through black holes.


Forget about Superman.

Superman sprinkled in red sunlight hurts him. If you're talking about him diving into a yellow sun...

Let me put if like this, HAVOK from the Xmen was thrown into a star AND SURVIVED and before this, he couldve been killed by a bullet or Colossus fist. Hope you get it.

Originally posted by carver9
Where is this stated? I honestly dont even think you want to make that claim anyways because I have a LOT I can use to further my case on Supermans strength.
In Superman reborn.

https://i.postimg.cc/bG8JjKDy/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/1VgRHSTH/image.jpg

"A new existence, a single reality rebuilt from two."

You mean your lowballing?

Originally posted by carver9
Superman sprinkled in red sunlight hurts him. If you're talking about him diving into a yellow sun...

Let me put if like this, HAVOK from the Xmen was thrown into a star AND SURVIVED and before this, he couldve been killed by a bullet or Colossus fist. Hope you get it.
Wut? Supergirl dived into the sun's core while powerless and returned at full power only.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Kara shoves that axe up Odinson's ass. Also Mangog buster level feat.

https://i.postimg.cc/rR6QvhmZ/6280.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/0KpcxpKk/6283.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/G9YMk17W/6284.jpg

Supergirl tanks being inside the core of the sun.



Do you think sun's temperature and gravity doesn't affects Kryptonians?

How does that makes any sense? Havok can create force fields to protect him.

Originally posted by abhilegend
So who is going to be standard for relative portrayals?

Say if a random Kryptonian is 100, what would be Thor's strength? Just remember, a adolescent Jon Kent broke out of time stop by brute strength and went through a gigantic black hole.
Alberto? Carver?

How strong do you think Thor is compared to a random?

Originally posted by abhilegend
In Superman reborn.

https://i.postimg.cc/bG8JjKDy/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/1VgRHSTH/image.jpg

"A new existence, a single reality rebuilt from two."

You mean your lowballing?


Where in these scans does it state the Supermen was pushed up in power? Let me add to this then. Wonder Woman was pushed up to be his equal. Cyborg. Aquaman, Batman, Killer Croc.

Nothing there states anything you've just said. You're being ridiculous.

Nothing about power scaling. Just realignment to fit the new history.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Wut? Supergirl dived into the sun's core while powerless and returned at full power only.



Do you think sun's temperature and gravity doesn't affects Kryptonians?

How does that makes any sense? Havok can create force fields to protect him.



Answer this. The powerless Supergirl you just mentioned, if she was thrown into a red sun or earth core, would she have survived? Simple question. Would a Supergirl drained completely of her power survive inside of a red sun or earth core?

Originally posted by carver9
Where in these scans does it state the Supermen was pushed up in power? Let me add to this then. Wonder Woman was pushed up to be his equal. Cyborg. Aquaman, Batman, Killer Croc.

Nothing there states anything you've just said. You're being ridiculous.
Its only his rogues gallery which was shown there carter. Show us where Diana or anyone else was shown. Originally posted by TheHulkster
Nothing about power scaling. Just realignment to fit the new history.
What nonsense. Its a new reality and Superman is stronger than either post Crisis or new 52 Superman and so are his rogues.

You missed the point of his post, which is that Kara, though replenishing her power, was not amped upon emerging. Which is to say that a standard (less than standard at first) Kara could withstand the heat and pressure of the Earth's core and then return unscathed. Because she is durable enough to do so at base.

Originally posted by carver9


Answer this. The powerless Supergirl you just mentioned, if she was thrown into a red sun or earth core, would she have survived? Simple question. Would a Supergirl drained completely of her power survive inside of a red sun or earth core?
No. But that's because she is powerless dumbass.

She at full power tanked core of the sun without any issue. Or do you think sun's temperature and gravity just vanishes in front of Kryptonians?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Its only his rogues gallery which was shown there carter. Show us where Diana or anyone else was shown.
What nonsense. Its a new reality and Superman is stronger than either post Crisis or new 52 Superman and so are his rogues.

So Lex Luthor is as strong as Superman?

Originally posted by abhilegend
No. But that's because she is powerless dumbass.

She at full power tanked core of the sun without any issue. Or do you think sun's temperature and gravity just vanishes in front of Kryptonians?

So she can survive the sun at a powerless state but she cant survive in Earth core at a powerless state? Why?

Originally posted by carver9
So Lex Luthor is as strong as Superman?
WTF?

Originally posted by carver9
So she can survive the sun at a powerless state but she cant survive in Earth core at a powerless state? Why?
facepalm

She survived the core of the sun because her powers returned.

Originally posted by NemeBro
You missed the point of his post, which is that Kara, though replenishing her power, was not amped upon emerging. Which is to say that a standard (less than standard at first) Kara could withstand the heat and pressure of the Earth's core and then return unscathed. Because she is durable enough to do so at base.

Kryptonians being near the sun puts them at full power. They dont need to dive in to get to their average power levels. Where did you get that they did?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Its only his rogues gallery which was shown there carter. Show us where Diana or anyone else was shown.
What nonsense. Its a new reality and Superman is stronger than either post Crisis or new 52 Superman and so are his rogues.

Where is this stated?

Originally posted by abhilegend
facepalm

She survived the core of the sun because her powers returned.

We are getting somewhere. The point I'm making is, you can NOT use a power source as a means of proving someone's durability. If something is continuously making that person more powerful, the side effects are irrelevant. Now if she withstood something that wasnt continuously amping her, THEN it can be used. Putting Firelord in a sun and using it as a durability showing for the character or placing hydroman at the bottom of an ocean and using the pressure hes experiencing as a durability showing is borderline crazy.

Originally posted by carver9
Kryptonians being near the sun puts them at full power. They dont need to dive in to get to their average power levels. Where did you get that they did?
From the comic?

https://i.postimg.cc/R0DgGvrQ/image.jpg

Shut up troll.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Where is this stated?
In Superman reborn.

Originally posted by carver9
We are getting somewhere. The point I'm making is, you can NOT use a power source as a means of proving someone's durability. If something is continuously making that person more powerful, the side effects are irrelevant. Now if she withstood something that wasnt continuously amping her, THEN it can be used. Putting Firelord in a sun and using it as a durability showing for the character or placing hydroman at the bottom of an ocean and using the pressure hes experiencing as a durability showing is borderline crazy.
Haha, what? Firelord doesn't gets his power from sun and Hydro man is literally water.

You're getting dumber with old age.

Originally posted by abhilegend
WTF?

Lex Luthor is in the scan as well. You said Superman rogue was bumped up to his level.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Haha, what? Firelord doesn't gets his power from sun and Hydro man is literally water.

You're getting dumber with old age.

Who said he gets his powers from the sun? He CAN amplify himself by it though. Are you ok?

So we agree that Havok is more durable than Mangog? By the way, Havok was trashed when he was thrown into a star. No shields were up buddy. Does Havok have durability greater than Thor and Mangog?

Originally posted by abhilegend
From the comic?

https://i.postimg.cc/R0DgGvrQ/image.jpg

Shut up troll.

Wait, do you honestly believe that a human Kara went all the way through the sun until she reached the core of it? Think about that before you answer it.

Originally posted by carver9
Lex Luthor is in the scan as well. You said Superman rogue was bumped up to his level.
I mean, seriously? Originally posted by carver9
Who said he gets his powers from the sun? He CAN amplify himself by it though. Are you ok?

So we agree that Havok is more durable than Mangog? By the way, Havok was trashed when he was thrown into a star. No shields were up buddy. Does Havok have durability greater than Thor and Mangog?
Where does he amps from the sun carver? Scans please.

Havok getting thrashed means he doesn't has shields? What kind of logic is that? Originally posted by carver9
Wait, do you honestly believe that a human Kara went all the way through the sun until she reached the core of it? Think about that before you answer it.
She went by a ship, the core destroyed the ship, reactivated her power.

https://i.postimg.cc/gj75VsYZ/6283.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/L4QrF9z8/6284.jpg

Are you blind or something?

In all fairness, the notion that Kryptonians have to reach the sun's core before they start solar amping doesn't make any sense at all, and actually contradicts what we've seen in the past.

It was most likely exclusive to Kara in *that* particular instance, because her powers were in a constant state of flux at the time:
https://i.imgur.com/XWOuOVw.jpg

...And for whatever reason, getting dumped into the sun's core fixed that 'issue' permanently.

Originally posted by Galan007
In all fairness, the notion that Kryptonians have to reach the sun's core before they start solar amping doesn't make any sense at all, and actually contradicts what we've seen in the past.

It was most likely exclusive to Kara in *that* particular instance, because her powers were in a constant state of flux at the time:
https://i.imgur.com/XWOuOVw.jpg

...And for whatever reason, getting dumped into the sun's core fixed that 'issue' permanently.
Not really, this has a precedent when Superman lost his powers in Final Night. He had to go inside the core of the sun to reactivate his powers.

She was totally depowered before she jumped in the sun.

Are you just saying that Kryptonians can endure the pressures/forces of the sun's core when they're powerless, and/or at their 'normal' level, or are you saying that they only start solar amping when they enter the sun's core?

If the former, then yeah, I agree.

Originally posted by Galan007
Are you just saying that Kryptonians can endure the pressures/forces of the sun's core when they're powerless, and/or at their 'normal' level, or are you saying that they only start solar amping when they enter the sun's core?

If the former, then yeah, I agree.
I'm saying when they enter the core, their powers activate and they survive the core due to this.

Deadpool at the end of the comic stated it was non canon

Thor is far stronger than Teen Jon.

Originally posted by abhilegend
I'm saying when they enter the core, their powers activate and they survive the core due to this. Ah, gotcha.

Thought you were essentially saying that a solar amp doesn't start until a Kryptonian goes all the way into the sun's core.

Supes wins.

Glad Galan cleared that up.

Originally posted by abhilegend
I mean, seriously?
Where does he amps from the sun carver? Scans please.

Havok getting thrashed means he doesn't has shields? What kind of logic is that?
She went by a ship, the core destroyed the ship, reactivated her power.

https://i.postimg.cc/gj75VsYZ/6283.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/L4QrF9z8/6284.jpg

Are you blind or something?

The sun has turned Superman from near skeleton like, almost dead to waking him up, talking and functioning and that is just from a beam of sun light. I can only imagine what the sun does when they are inside of the core of a yellow star. Terrible example. One is a HUGE power source whereas the other (Earth core) does no type of amping. One is obviously a durability showing.

*doesn't mean

Post crisis Superman had able to provide his heat vision's power to make 1/5 of the big bang , Isn't that should be enough to one shot this Thor ?
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-6Oc5X5oNVdM/VyAJVIfwhtI/AAAAAAAAE1U/lV_EDGSQ-6QT1Vg9rhPwRrj7jeI9ueqVQCCo/s0/RCO018_w.jpg

Is that what you think happened in those scans? That their blast just accumulated that amount of force?

one-shotting thor isn't even a challenge

it's about the way of doing it

one-shotting him with a falcon punch or roundhouse kick? easy peasy

one-shotting him by severing his head with perfect cut?
that's like killing a pig

one-shotting him by spitting on his face, where the spit shot through his brain killing him. now that's a little bit challenging

Phil once only gave Thor concussion by spitting in his face, I'm disappointed in him. I would've at least taken out the good eye of Odinson with my loogie.

True story, just ask Stilt, he's the biggest Thor fan on this site bar none

Poor Thor, poor Stilt, Lol!!!!!!!

Originally posted by carver9
Is that what you think happened in those scans? That their blast just accumulated that amount of force?
yeah , you could read Zero hour crisis in time issue #0 yourself
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Zero-Hour-Crisis-in-Time/Issue-0?id=47445

Originally posted by MrMind
one-shotting thor isn't even a challenge

it's about the way of doing it

one-shotting him with a falcon punch or roundhouse kick? easy peasy

one-shotting him by severing his head with perfect cut?
that's like killing a pig

one-shotting him by spitting on his face, where the spit shot through his brain killing him. now that's a little bit challenging

Phil once only gave Thor concussion by spitting in his face, I'm disappointed in him. I would've at least taken out the good eye of Odinson with my loogie.

True story, just ask Stilt, he's the biggest Thor fan on this site bar none
Lol

Originally posted by MrMind


one-shotting him by severing his head with perfect cut?
that's like killing a pig





https://tinyurl.com/y5s8vzbw

Like a pig, indeed. 100% canon.

Originally posted by lawest9
Poor Thor, poor Stilt, Lol!!!!!!!
All Still could do is try to roast my english rather than countering my scans

You're lost?

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
You're lost?
https://media1.giphy.com/media/20vHbYhl8VWbm/giphy.gif

We know each other? mmm

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW


https://tinyurl.com/y5s8vzbw

Like a pig, indeed. 100% canon.

https://imgur.com/a/YVJ2V63

https://imgur.com/a/Lq6zSP7

Oh, Thor will always have an excuse. He's an arrogant braggart.

Fact remains - Thor's actual combat speed is nothing compared to that of his sentient hammer or lightning.

What happened to make you whiteknight Thor?

That's a far better question.

What is "whiteknighting" Thor?

Originally posted by carver9
The sun has turned Superman from near skeleton like, almost dead to waking him up, talking and functioning and that is just from a beam of sun light. I can only imagine what the sun does when they are inside of the core of a yellow star. Terrible example. One is a HUGE power source whereas the other (Earth core) does no type of amping. One is obviously a durability showing.
She is explicitly only at full power.

So sun's gravity and temperature just vanishes for Kryptonians?

Originally posted by abhilegend
She is explicitly only at full power.

So sun's gravity and temperature just vanishes for Kryptonians?

She is? Dont get what that have to do with a power source not being able to kill the drainer.

It didnt vanish when Havok limp body was thrown into a star WITH NO SHIELDS. Give me a knife and I could kill Havok if he stood there and allowed it.

Originally posted by carver9
She is? Dont get what that have to do with a power source not being able to kill the drainer.

It didnt vanish when Havok limp body was thrown into a star WITH NO SHIELDS. Give me a knife and I could kill Havok if he stood there and allowed it.
And yet, Namor got almost drowned in water just recently because it was too dense for him.

https://i.postimg.cc/2q765Tv4/RCO007.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/zbDfHWS4/RCO008.jpg

Who made Havok the only instance where a sun can't harm someone? Superman himself almost died in Byrne era when he flew too close to the sun.

https://i.postimg.cc/1V8KykL7/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/8sc4dvjd/image.jpg

Try killing Superman with a knife.

Originally posted by abhilegend
And yet, Namor got almost drowned in water just recently because it was too dense for him.

https://i.postimg.cc/2q765Tv4/RCO007.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/zbDfHWS4/RCO008.jpg

Who made Havok the only instance where a sun can't harm someone? Superman himself almost died in Byrne era when he flew too close to the sun.

https://i.postimg.cc/1V8KykL7/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/8sc4dvjd/image.jpg

Try killing Superman with a knife.

During that instance, did Namor weaken?

Come on guy. We've seen Superman get close to the sun and become more powerful. Hes the exception. We've seen HAVOK survive in a sun with no issues. Hell, even Killer Frost survived inside of a sun, and was loving it.

https://m.imgur.com/a/iTfTnPp

Let her stand in front of me with no defenses and hand me a pistol. If it's a power source, it should NOT kill you. It should amp you.

Superman still wins...

Originally posted by lawest9
What is "whiteknighting" Thor?

Thor is very much like a damsel in distress on this forum who needs his white knight to protect him.

Originally posted by carver9
During that instance, did Namor weaken?

Come on guy. We've seen Superman get close to the sun and become more powerful. Hes the exception. We've seen HAVOK survive in a sun with no issues. Hell, even Killer Frost survived inside of a sun, and was loving it.

https://m.imgur.com/a/iTfTnPp

Let her stand in front of me with no defenses and hand me a pistol. If it's a power source, it should NOT kill you. It should amp you.
What? You said power source can't harm someone, so How's Namor almost drowning in too much pressure?

Now you're randomly throwing Havok and Killer Frost who drains heat and solar energy in herself.

Question carter, can you answer it? Does Sun's pressure and temperature vanishes when it comes to Kryptonians? Yes or no.