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Thanos controls Hulk's mind and Thor gets one-shotted. Then he does his routine of massacring Surfer and bfring Hulk for an easy win.

Thanos.

Bump.

Or should a few other characters be added here to give team a chance?

Hulk solos

Thor solos everyone on the battlefield.

Did current Thor lose the Odinforce as well?

Originally posted by Adam Grimes
Did current Thor lose the Odinforce as well?

He lost the PC after that Black Winter fight.

But not the Odinforce.


Unless you're talking about the most recent comics? I guess Blake might do bad things to him, if he hasn't done so already

Lol

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
He lost the PC after that Black Winter fight.

But not the Odinforce.


Unless you're talking about the most recent comics? I guess Blake might do bad things to him, if he hasn't done so already

Shouldn't he be able to suck Thanos, Surfer and Hulk dry like he did Galactus, then?

Originally posted by Adam Grimes


Shouldn't he be able to suck Thanos, Surfer and Hulk dry like he did Galactus, then? He had the power cosmic when he sucked Galactus dry , I don't think that translates to being able to do so to anyone else when he doesn't have the PC. It's like Hulk being able to drain Red Hulk -- that doesn't mean he'd be able to do so to Quasar or whatever.

On the other hand, Odin Force Thor did manage to get back his herald power cosmic when Galactus stripped him of it, so at least he could drain Surfer at the baseline of Odin Force power-up.

https://imgur.com/a/jrC1JBi

Imo Surfer would beat Thanos solo.
1. He shouldn't reliably get hit by Thanos.
2. He has the power to harm Thanos.

Thor has phucked up a more powerful Thanos in the past (IG Thanos)
with hammer shots.

Originally posted by h1a8
Imo Surfer would beat Thanos solo.
1. He shouldn't reliably get hit by Thanos.
2. He has the power to harm Thanos.

Thor has phucked up a more powerful Thanos in the past (IG Thanos)
with hammer shots. care to prove any of this crap this time.

lmao

Originally posted by h1a8
Imo Surfer would beat Thanos solo.
1. He shouldn't reliably get hit by Thanos.
2. He has the power to harm Thanos.

Thor has phucked up a more powerful Thanos in the past (IG Thanos)
with hammer shots.

What makes you think that surfer could put him down when he has never done so in the past?

Thanos should take it pretty easily. He's casually stopped Mjolnir, fought an amped Thor, no-sold blasts from Surfer, beaten the shit out of Surfer, low-diffed Hulk before and said he could easily mind-hax him, etc. I can't see a way Thanos loses this honestly.

Starlin even admitted regular Hulk could beat Thanos. Let's not even factor in Greenscar.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
What makes you think that surfer could put him down when he has never done so in the past?

He's gonna say speed.




Anyways, All-father thor swagger jacked an amped galactus after feeding off of 1 of 5 special planets.
All-father Cosmic Thor swagger jacked an even more amped galactus who fed off of all special planets... These planets were supposed to help him fight a trans universal entity in Black Winter.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
What makes you think that surfer could put him down when he has never done so in the past? or Thor for that matter.

Carver and h1a8 are allies in this thread. mmm


I don't like it one bit. sneer

Originally posted by Insane Titan
or Thor for that matter.

Thor is a non factor. As is Hulk. I'm more curious as to why he feels the way he feels

Originally posted by carver9
Starlin even admitted regular Hulk could beat Thanos. Let's not even factor in Greenscar. Youre a lying piece of shit. Starlin has never said that. Seeing as Starlin has always portrayed Thanos to be above Hulk when they met. Stay hidden behind the ignore function.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Thor is a non factor.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
He's gonna say speed.




Anyways, All-father thor swagger jacked an amped galactus after feeding off of 1 of 5 special planets.
All-father Cosmic Thor swagger jacked an even more amped galactus who fed off of all special planets... These planets were supposed to help him fight a trans universal entity in Black Winter. Yeah, but like Phildo pointed out, Thor had the PC amp in both instances. Didn't he?

Originally posted by Adam Grimes
Yeah, but like Phildo pointed out, Thor had the PC amp in both instances. Didn't he?
No

Yes

Originally posted by Adam Grimes
Yeah, but like Phildo pointed out, Thor had the PC amp in both instances. Didn't he? Not in both, when he got back the herald PC he was just Odin Force Thor. That's why I said he could drain Surfer . It was when he had both the PC and Odin Force amps that he managed to drain Galactus competely.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
or Thor for that matter. It's even more hilarious considering I haven't seen a single character dominate the two so consistently. Thanos is legit "Are you done?" and "Give me more" with both of them They're literally his bi tch.

To say either can solo is legit trolling.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
care to prove any of this crap this time.

SS is way faster than Thanos.
Masterson Thor put the whammy on IG Thanos.

Thanos is beating Thor solo yes
Thanos is beating Hulk solo (through tp)

Thanos is not beating SS solo. SS is too fast and has that board from behind trick.

Originally posted by h1a8
SS is way faster than Thanos.
Masterson Thor put the whammy on IG Thanos.

Thanos is beating Thor solo yes
Thanos is beating Hulk solo (through tp)

Thanos is not beating SS solo. SS is too fast and has that board from behind trick.

I'm pretty sure you remember this

https://imgur.com/a/yJXhbSK

We don't look at on panel showings.

Originally posted by MrMind
I'm pretty sure you remember this

https://imgur.com/a/yJXhbSK

How can one remember something he has never read?

Look at how much faster Surfer is than Thanos:

https://i.ibb.co/J5tXd4z/RCO031.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/hD7R8sD/RCO004.jpg


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https://i.ibb.co/CQ7W1FQ/DE6a-Ez-I66-UYAU0-Jz-e7-ZZ1pw-Lu-BOQ6jaxzm-C8nf-Hv93-D63-RHVx-Mp-ZDmctfv-ERbxzae1-X2-ZKHk-NF-s1600.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/64NNDqF/Nye-Zva-We-Rs-ZUdu-EDa16-Rb-Crck-D9g-Qm-H2m-T33-FCHAh2r-EAw-QBmeo2vw9wqjc-Jk-UDn-Gzbc-XYvnzy1-W-s160.jpg

Or how much respect his "power" gets:

https://i.ibb.co/d4VmyrC/RCO005.jpg

Faster than light speed and perceptions
https://pin.it/1WO7n4I

Learn from this!
https://www.google.com/amp/s/panels-of-interest.tumblr.com/post/167463994717/silver-surfer-vs-ravenous-from-silver-surfer/amp

Ss has shields, can phase, can touch Thanos and create a singularity on him.

Originally posted by h1a8
Ganymede caught Surfer off guard. SS didn't expect to be attacked. See how SS recovered amd smacked her? Also SS has light speed reflexes. Remember the scene where he circles Deathurge faster than light?

SS blasts have been shown to be more powerful after that showing. SS with planet destroying power, board from behind tricks, black hole creation, etc.. This is literally Surfer before the 2nd scan I posted getting ready to fight:

https://i.ibb.co/xqPG51m/RCO032.jpg

And this is the next two pages:

https://i.ibb.co/BwM3ZGQ/RCO003.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/hD7R8sD/RCO004.jpg

In the 1st scan she booped him on the chin with the staff, talked, then blitzed him.

Why are you always so clueless?

The board is sentient and listens to his mental commands, whether it'd be flying in circles or to a certain destination. It has nothing to do with Surfer's speed.

Originally posted by h1a8
SS blasts have been shown to be more powerful after that showing. SS with planet destroying power, board from behind tricks, black hole creation, etc. Silver Surfer vs Odin:

https://i.ibb.co/bWmJVLL/Ck6-K6-u-M2gln-H9-Aa-Bk-U9l-Jo-J4-QVqx-Kuf-ZQt-JNmj-KHx6-Zq-HDUNK3-Dgu-OAWCCvk-Y34-NFH9-Dg-PLZQl52g.jpg

One shot.

Thanos vs Odin:

(1)

https://i.ibb.co/NmgK7mw/U0ktgl-Sawv9ykia-Pku-L6-DFgp-Uz-Dm-Z0n-Yyyi-Kcr-Na7p-Sgll-Hl-JC-E2nuwj3-Hlh-RBVj-OQr-RAMr-Mj-DBQ-s16.jpg https://i.ibb.co/31vSMYt/4b-RQhl-KG-Qr-LI-pn0-Z-gd-Htxxp-YX0r-KUDTwv3-Gq-k-RKhteo-Jay44-BXrcb-Bob-Ps-Xj-GPGWAqx-Hhg5w-s1600.jpg https://i.ibb.co/P9bHnL1/l-XPOPac-G22-De-O5m-Ids2xg9-AGXe-Tc-OCsv-KJBDB1-Bf-Aml-SXfb7fy-Dxuyy-Qg-OHcja-Nk-W7yy-D7-Epvq-PLw-s1.jpg https://i.ibb.co/HhHxx9F/a1wq5-HY2-Z8-R24-Vp-ZFGCTDcncn4-Kj-Dty-K0-Jek-DDz-Sw-ELh1ay-KD8z-Dqf8u-Rk-P-ybd-Ix-Qb-Fm-XZL6-Dmkg-s.jpg https://i.ibb.co/xHFMRH8/NRPH9-Mjq-Z5-KM5-Kdt-Nkvjr-Ilz-Hzz02-HCEf-Pq-IT0-Vt-IINpl-TLG1-TJM9-Kqk-Om-Gd0-Iwj-BY7z-O7s-JAE0p-A.jpg https://i.ibb.co/x79c23J/s4-BXd6-LIWx-FWZS-o-CBGUm7h-Jud-Olwzc-W0-Jy-J4-Jnh-Zuit92d-Jt13h-Hw-KLFFIyn-Mwh3b-X0-NFHG1f-XA1g-s16.jpg https://i.ibb.co/V95rXNj/Ift-Euu-Sk-Gz4h-Xv-C5k-KCGB2-Oxr-Z43-L6j8b-Ubn-Vu-Ai-Tr4-RZzp5n32-Ndldh4vv-YS9r-Ng-Ssl0qjcc-Wcm-ZA-s.jpg https://i.ibb.co/z7hkbHQ/po-Z7v-Tu-Lq-GTy-Pg-V4-TEGPvy07-UX-HXXio-Ly-Ed4-Yk-HR3-V00-Zioe-W-SEQcjel-no-MI8is5-VX2-X-JPi9-g-s16.jpg https://i.ibb.co/SmK2FBK/emk-Tj0-BCd-N6-XQ4ni-Ot6-Nu1-Pdjqurs-QG-RLw-Hey8-Y5-RX-ipx-Zei-BQfjle-RDx14-Vz-M7-On-Z9feoq-Nz-hg-s1.jpg

(2)

https://i.ibb.co/98xDY9N/OTAPMW6-Sxb-WIXtv-O30g1-Aa-o-HFpz9a-Zz-AEIUw-Kk-Pj-Pgs4slpib-Rua-WYya-Yu1-YLKThpc-Mwz-Of-Dy-DY2-A-s1.jpg https://i.ibb.co/wLqGyrF/Lp-Dn-Pa-Y0e-H2a-Gv-El0-ayz-LJZBhk-M9t-Lu-KPf9-Yrp-Ofjm-Qwa-V1-Vy-Cjnik-Yu-Zf-Vssf1-DOl-Cd7r-Lbgn9-A.jpg

Tell me more about Surfer's blasts, brainlet.

Silver Surfer vs B&T Thor:

https://i.ibb.co/M5YMNDW/RCO024.jpg https://i.ibb.co/8X9zK1P/RCO028.jpg https://i.ibb.co/YRyqYFN/RCO029.jpg https://i.ibb.co/ZL5JV3w/RCO030.jpg https://i.ibb.co/SrqhvX9/RCO031.jpg

And again, this time with Warlock helping him:

https://i.ibb.co/ysTGjXx/M-JA8-ZFy6b-W9-Vdwjds6i-puxo-MBKLNfj-PHAYu-Rcpg-VP3z-SPi-Y-0238ru2etbwl-H0c9g2dx9-GDM3-g-s1600.jpg https://i.ibb.co/WpvhngS/VRdnba8rm-MGoqkcf-Jhmag-Ij-ZTXx-Suj-Wo0h-LIt6-BU5-Wf-Kx-Z2138-Z1i-Nz-VHe-Ps-Lk-MRo0lw-Z2-Cj-XK6-Jog.jpg https://i.ibb.co/BwMjdS6/lv-VBi0-Rs83-CJv-QZ2-FZ123-NRbe-X4-TJ3xr-Q0i0e-MNTTwj-Fdfpx5-G-0-Xf2-ZWb-Pl-nx-G0h-O3f-X2-BTH1g-s160.jpghttps://i.ibb.co/vwD7SkN/q-G79l-St-Mnceiuosn2-Y7-A31a-V0-Tbq-ZX7w4-GW8-H84rq-Qdy3-Ew-But-h-c-UAd1tx6-IDg-Hkectqfg-IVHc-Q-s160.jpg

You just proved that Thanos is more durable than SS. Everyone knows this. That doesn't defeat my argument about speed (deathurge example) or Surfer's power to destroy planets, create singularities, hit Thanos with the board from behind, use shields and evasion, etc.

Note: Surfers speed feats and Deathurge example defeats ANY example you show of him getting tagged by speeds far under light speed.

If Thanos hits Surfer then yes Thanos will do some damage. Everyone agrees on this.

Thanos vs the same Thor with the power gem:

https://i.ibb.co/R9YKr3M/RCO003.jpg https://i.ibb.co/Sr73sSJ/RCO004.jpg https://i.ibb.co/StYWp96/RCO005.jpg https://i.ibb.co/LQdsXV9/RCO012.jpg https://i.ibb.co/195Rk8R/RCO013.jpg https://i.ibb.co/RQ7NJwq/RCO016.jpg https://i.ibb.co/jWGyNht/RCO017.jpg https://i.ibb.co/bKj3yZC/RCO018.jpg https://i.ibb.co/FXS6tGK/RCO035.jpg https://i.ibb.co/8cqxx6r/RCO036.jpg

Originally posted by h1a8
You just proved that Thanos is more durable than SS. Everyone knows this. That doesn't defeat my argument about speed (deathurge example) or Surfer's power to destroy planets, create singularities, hit Thanos with the board from behind, use shields and evasion, etc.

Note: Surfers speed feats and Deathurge example defeats ANY example you show of him getting tagged by speeds far under light speed.

If Thanos hits Surfer then yes Thanos will do some damage. Everyone agrees on this.

Originally posted by h1a8
You just proved that Thanos is more durable than SS. Everyone knows this. That doesn't defeat my argument about speed (deathurge example) or Surfer's power to destroy planets, create singularities, hit Thanos with the board from behind, use shields and evasion, etc Thanos goes in blast-offs with Odin and you're going about sufboards from behind? Pass me that shit.

The same board from behind that Thor tanks repeatedly?

https://i.ibb.co/TP77Xnm/x-QHKUBFt-Ji-UO8-IDr-DFASKQ9-Ws-qc8iq7-EDOhzjd-PE9un-Xyd7xu-Sw3zmy8-MXn-Zr-Rh-Ae-U-Tj-Nm-VT-s1600.jpg https://i.ibb.co/hKb7sp3/KKFJw-Bjy-3-QMj-ZApb6es-Rqv-VR3-Pe-XUydcm0l-G2-Tk-Fkgl0pg-P4-ZMDRQj-AHeq-DVcf-A4-YU6rt-EUMHFf-s1600.jpg

Why are you so clueless, h1000?

The power to destroy planets surely dwarfs the power to go up against Odin!

It's why Terrax can one-shot Thanos, easily.

It makes sense.

The board is sentient and listens to commands. How many times do I have to hammer this to you?

Surfer has a losing record against black holes. He has created a black hole exactly once in his entire history, and that was using the body of Air Walker. Thanos could just teleport away and let him get overpowered.

Surfer's shields are non-existent to Thanos power. Thanos shields on the other hand is something that Surfer would probably KO himself against.

This is not about durability -- it's about superiority. I'm trying to make you understand how far above Surfer he is. Thanos' ability to take damage and output damage is several tiers above Surfer, based on:

a). Direct evidence - Thanos no-sells Surfer. Thanos beats Surfer to death.
b). Indirect evidence against the same opponent - Surfer gets one shotted by Odin, Thanos puts up a whole comic's worth of competitive fight against him. Surfer gets KOd by B&T Thor, Thanos stalemates him while he has the power gem for the whole comic.

There's numerous examples, both direct and indirect, where he is a bug to Thanos.

You also have a direct example, against the very same opponent, of Surfer getting blitzed repeatedly, like it's Hulk against Spiderman. You have Thanos with the utmost ease one-shot the same opponent before he even manages to get a hand on him.

I hope Insane Titan finds you one day and sends me pics.

My argument

SS blasts against Thanos doesn't equal (far less power) thsn his power output against Ravenous and Morg

Odin blasts against Thanos is less powerful than the blast Surfer used to destroy a planet (Morg and Ravenous).

Surfers Deathurge feat proves that Surfer can move far faster in combat to avoid Thanos attacks. Even if the board is sentient.

Note: Its not a contradiction for SS to directly mentally control the board as well as the board being sentiment.

We also have Surfer creating shields faster than energy beams can reach him. Surfer controls his arms, the board does not.

Surfer grabbed Nova with his arms when traveling faster than light. Surfer controls his arms, the board does not.

Originally posted by h1a8
Odin wasn't hitting Thanos with planet destroying blasts. Surfer's power output against Ravenous is significantly more than any attack Odin hit Thanos with. Remember characters operate at different levels in different comics and scenes. Odin once operated at a meta level before and Asgardians at human level. What the actual f*ck? You think Odin who no-sold and one-shot Surfer with a single blast literally the page before he had a whole issue of back and forth with Thanos, was some kind of potentially meta-level guy who hits Thanos significantly weaker than the same Surfer? Does Terrax hit Thanos harder than Odin, too?

Is somebody around you at all times so that you don't drown when you drink a glass of water?

Holy flying f*ck, lmao.

Anyway, here's Thanos about 3 upgrades ago, at his weakest incarnation, destroying a planet as a side-effect of fighting Drax unharmed:

https://i.ibb.co/xMFf11W/gCo31Uj.jpg https://i.ibb.co/LhM7Vcq/Mk1glA5.jpg

Go and rub one out to it.

The board gets commands. You know, kind of like you say every day "Mom, can you please bring me my 10th meal of the day". It doesn't make you a good cook, anymore than it makes Surfer a speedster. It's an extra sentient being that obeys his command.

Thanos, on panel, in a direct comparison against the same person, blatantly reacted faster than Surfer did. Thanos has created shields greater than Surfer has ever breached and destroyed shields greater than Surfer has ever made.

Thanos has put up shields before Surfer's blast hit him and teleported behind him easily:

https://i.ibb.co/bNSyZhm/RCO020.jpg https://i.ibb.co/YdY0M0C/RCO021.jpg

The tactics you say Surfer would use against Thanos, Thanos has literally used against Surfer.

Surfer literally has to be drained unconscious after Thanos no-sells him in order to prevent the latter from killing him:

https://i.ibb.co/W2ZBSz6/er-INv-NLb97-Ql7-Y4-Fe-KGTy5-KKINbw-Q9-Xd-Ea-Iq-N59-RGUp-K6-AKb6g8k-LWh0xm-HCze5-G7r66t-Wma-XVt-s160.jpg https://i.ibb.co/thJKFBJ/n-T5-Ntvko-Tj-Ufz-Ab-W7rf-X-Ii-T-2vn-CUm-Onk-Hys8-TRKQ06-CULJt-Eg-AQOqt-Vpyb-Xpa-VVEEAe-Ye-KXMn-X-s1.jpg

Originally posted by h1a8
My argument

SS blasts against Thanos doesn't equal (far less power) thsn his power output against Ravenous and Morg

Odin blasts against Thanos is less powerful than the blast Surfer used to destroy a planet (Morg and Ravenous).

Surfers Deathurge feat proves that Surfer can move far faster in combat to avoid Thanos attacks. Even if the board is sentient.

Note: Its not a contradiction for SS to directly mentally control the board as well as the board being sentiment.

We also have Surfer creating shields faster than energy beams can reach him. Surfer controls his arms, the board does not.

Surfer grabbed Nova with his arms when traveling faster than light. Surfer controls his arms, the board does not. Is this like the "troll manifesto" or something?

Mein Trolling?

What would happen if Surfer phased his board inside of Thanos skull and made it solid?

Board breaks

Inside his head?

Good posts @phil.

When has Starlin ever said Hulk > Thanos? He only wrote Thanos to say he doesn't want to fight Hulk, which is entirely different. No one wants to fight a Savage that just doesn't quit. And we've seen Thanos overpower Hulk as well, so even if we took that statement in that manner, the on-panel showings matter more.

Originally posted by GenghisJuan
Good posts @phil.

When has Starlin ever said Hulk > Thanos? He only wrote Thanos to say he doesn't want to fight Hulk, which is entirely different. No one wants to fight a Savage that just doesn't quit. And we've seen Thanos overpower Hulk as well, so even if we took that statement in that manner, the on-panel showings matter more.

And Starlin wrote most of those on panel showings.

Originally posted by GenghisJuan
Good posts @phil.

When has Starlin ever said Hulk > Thanos? He only wrote Thanos to say he doesn't want to fight Hulk, which is entirely different. No one wants to fight a Savage that just doesn't quit. And we've seen Thanos overpower Hulk as well, so even if we took that statement in that manner, the on-panel showings matter more.

When did Thanos overpower Hulk? Scans please.

Has speed ever been a deterrent for thanos?

Against Captain Marvell... yes.

Issue?

Having read through the thread Philo has pretty much assf*cked h1 to death with all the point.

One thing h1 lied about again, Thanos does have auto shields and has had them through out his career.

Originally posted by h1a8
Odin blasts at his highest > Surfer blasts (against Ravenous) > Odin's blasts against Thanos > Surfers blasts against Odin (in blood and thunder arc). There's no such differentiation, you doofus. We don't have Surfer (Surfer v3 #56) > Surfer v3 #111 > Thor #234 > Surfer v4 #10 > Thanos (Infinity Watch #4) > Odin (Thor #442) > Surfer v3 # 88 > Thor v2 44 > ... etc. based on what feats they have each issue. It's not suddenly a different version of Surfer because he blows a planet in one issue, and then he gets no-sold and one-shotted by Odin in another. It's one Surfer, one Odin and one Thanos. Well, actually, Thanos before his upgrades planet-busted and no-sold against Drax, but hey, feel free to ignore that, too. Feel free to ignore Thor no-selling the "board behind the back!!!" that is, apparently, above Odin's blasts. Odin who only one-shot Surfer in issue #25 but he's lucky he didn't face the Surfer from annual #7!. If only Odin had faced the Surfer who could planet bust!

What a complete joke you are.

You, as it always happens, have zero arguments -- trying to say whatever you can (board behind the back! shields! black holes! planet-busting attacks!) and when they each systematically get dismantled, now desperately go "it only counts if the blasts planet bust!

Again, going by this logic, Terrax > Odin's blasts against Thanos. That would mean lower iq than letters in the alphabet.

Furthermore, the crossover where:
a). B&T Thor beats Surfer, easily, twice
b). Thanos stalemates B&T Thor with the power gem
c). Surfer gets no-sold and one-shotted by Odin
d). Odin has an issue-long fight with Thanos

... is literally involving Surfer's own series. With his own writer. The same writer who has him planet-bust.

Even furthermore the issue where Thanos beat Surfer to death? It's literally Surfer's own series writer.

Thanos being several levels about Surfer, no-selling him, outperforming him both defensively and offensively, both directly and indirectly is so well documented, that you're just a hopeless oxygen waster.

Stop wasting everybody's time with your trolling.

Originally posted by h1a8
My argument is that Surfer can easily defend against Thanos. Surfer has light speed perceptions. Thanos is significantly slower than light speed. Thanos, against the exact same character, defended better while Surfer was blitzed.

To continue from the above -- the issue where Ganymede blitzes Surfer is written by the same writer who wrote Thanos one-shotting her mid blitz. The same writer who had him destroy a planet against Morg.

None of this matters, of course, it could be different writers in different series -- but it just shows how absolutely clueless you are about anything you are talking about.

The same tactics you say Surfer is fast to use against Thanos have, hilariously enough, been used against Surfer by Thanos himself while the latter was helpless to defend himself.

Might as well continue, Captain Mar-Vell vs Surfer:

https://i.ibb.co/Wg3mKj1/RCO011.jpg https://i.ibb.co/NY3z8mj/RCO012.jpg https://i.ibb.co/0XZ8vq7/RCO013.jpg https://i.ibb.co/d6KY7L1/RCO019.jpg

One-shotted with ease.

Thanos vs Captain Mar-vell:

https://i.ibb.co/QcJ0TcD/RCO015.jpg https://i.ibb.co/18dNFjT/RCO020.jpg https://i.ibb.co/R7sQPp8/RCO021.jpg https://i.ibb.co/Wpytm2g/RCO022.jpg

Thanos overpowers him while having a death wish and the latter being bloodlusted.

I don't think there's even need to say that Thanos would one-shot the board in one-blast, like numerous characters have done, among them Firelord:

https://i.ibb.co/Jy5BMDG/RCO026.jpg

Or do we need to have that hammered down, too?

What if the board flies off in fear?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
What if the board flies off in fear?

Good point. It wouldn't be the first time it has screamed in pain:

https://i.ibb.co/x8G20vj/8y-JQUMKBEB5-Os-ap-Xg-Je-Puz-VBB6sb-JUckbs-Mj-F3p-U73i-CYYp-ZC7-oz3-SUl-DLoy-Iyhi-IC1-Wmg-LCGUNW5-Rc.jpg

Or left him hanging:

https://i.ibb.co/M6rFJSk/LZiag-A8-6-MEp6p-PZ87dr-Sh36oj-Gfk-RFUZ7j-ZXLVDw-YV-z1-N2-Dk-BTt6xk-Y19y6a-V2s1-T7u-Lo-Igy6-Ie-YCHh.jpg

Or left him as he was in trouble:

https://i.ibb.co/VpLcGKY/Bhn-Tf-KUT1-fib-JJsf-ry-QSml-Pz-f-Oly-CDgu-Mw4g-Jqm-N0-Kco-ZMg0-H-nvz53h-Sk-Mdc-Q6-J0-Y9qgw-Kq-s1600.jpg

lol that's a LOT of effort to refute h1. i simply assumed that at this point everyone in the forum had him on ignore. none of it will help of course. no refuting the math....

I was bored and had time to kill. But you're right, I'm telling people to ignore alberto and I do this. I'll put him on ignore.

Thanos has definitely overpowered Hulk before.

Infinity #6-
https://i.imgur.com/Bm31Ju0.jpg
Infinity Finale-
https://i.imgur.com/6ArZYxf.jpg

Granted, Hulk gets back up after, but that has nothing to do with my claim. Thanos overpowered Hulk and didn't continue to because he didn't need to. I have no difficulty whatsoever imagining that if the fight continued, Thanos would probably continue knocking him around.

Hulk doesn't even get THAT far. He actually got some hits in during the mindscape fight and had to hit Thanos in conjunction with Drax in the Gauntlet saga. Outside of that, he never gets a hit in.

Thanos showed his superiority to Hulk when he effortlessly back handed him away like a fly.

Originally posted by Badabing
Carver and h1a8 are allies in this thread. mmm


I don't like it one bit. sneer

https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/032/196/apes.jpg

Originally posted by h1a8
This is where you are wrong. And stop flaming me. I'm respectful to you.

Characters have highs and lows (they are slower, weaker, etc in different scenes) due to fiction inconsistency.

For example, Gladiator busted a planet with a few blows. He then fought Colossus and a host of other beings. Did Gladiator hit them with planet busting power? Did Drax the destroyer use star ripping power in every scene (including Marvell)? Is Odin always using galaxy busting power in every scene? Is the omega beam always the same power? No they aren't. For you to ignore that fact is pure trolling.

Odin, on average, doesn't blast with planet destroying force. Not even close. Surfer, on average, doesn't either.

you're missing his point though or hand-waving it away. hence the trolling accusation

Originally posted by GenghisJuan
Thanos has definitely overpowered Hulk before.

Infinity #6-
https://i.imgur.com/Bm31Ju0.jpg
Infinity Finale-
https://i.imgur.com/6ArZYxf.jpg

Granted, Hulk gets back up after, but that has nothing to do with my claim. Thanos overpowered Hulk and didn't continue to because he didn't need to. I have no difficulty whatsoever imagining that if the fight continued, Thanos would probably continue knocking him around.

Thanos generally treats Hulk as a bug when they face each other -- sometimes bothering with nothing more than bi tch slaps. He's relegated to finding his underlings

Thanos probably imo.

Surfer has been owned so many times against Thanos, I find it hard to even consider him worthwhile in this battle.Every time I think of something he could possibly do, I'm reminded of the ass-kickings he's had. Hulk is strong enough to give Thanos pause but he has so many ways of defeating him eye-beams, force fields etc. Hulk and Surfer would legit be better off fusing together into some kind of Silver Hulk to add-value.

Hulk and Surfer have no means of putting Thanos down in their arsenal. They could keep him busy while Thor uses the God Blast to kill Thanos. But Thanos is smart enough and powerful enough to dispose of them.

Classic Thor could maybe win via energy drain?

Thanos vs Skyfather Thor, immortal hulk, post annihilation surfer??

Hmm

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/032/196/apes.jpg





I'm dying, lol.

He received a power upgrade.

Originally posted by GenghisJuan
Thanos has definitely overpowered Hulk before.

Infinity #6-
https://i.imgur.com/Bm31Ju0.jpg
Infinity Finale-
https://i.imgur.com/6ArZYxf.jpg

Granted, Hulk gets back up after, but that has nothing to do with my claim. Thanos overpowered Hulk and didn't continue to because he didn't need to. I have no difficulty whatsoever imagining that if the fight continued, Thanos would probably continue knocking him around. To further add to this, Hulk gets nearly killed by Annihilus , and Pip has to teleport him away to save his life:

https://i.ibb.co/6WMPGWL/MZd-Rz-Dy9-Uu-Km-PNYa8-CQr-Be-Rab0-f8cs-Lyga-Vn-XA5885-Inc-CEj68et3wn9-Rj-Sdhe-Pcz1quk7i-s1600.jpg https://i.ibb.co/ZMbwZ7S/HUw-yikd7t5er-TIZQdzl-KMKQHksj-b-B4-JJda-FRnzq-Mve5z-R8zx4-Knh5f-EEYTQaq-Yxa-Kr60hp4qs-s1600.jpg https://i.ibb.co/myq347g/2-ESu-WOshd-ANWb-N5ud-G1-Y6y3-M8-ATat-Dj-Gw-X5-BXOgwf-BLs4-Tu-RJ7-Fl-FYCSld7-JGKPlx9-Yw7-Egu-Hqz-s16.jpg https://i.ibb.co/dWYNsk3/RC-Ai9-XP9-Tvr-Pcxfbi-Qsr-Cj-Ab6-Qqqsr-N4k-MQb-Lf5-Ubn0b-V4tlvxr-J3-BQ1c9gi5-Nxgl-Iu-K5-U1x-Fmh-s160.jpg https://i.ibb.co/hc2yv57/q-DIY2jd-IDkztqm-VDW7s329y-HNs3u7-Bp-Nq-Zjjf-eu-Te-ULWRBMno8s-YKb-Br-Gxeu-C5-Wm-Jo-ZNg5z-E-s1600.jpg https://i.ibb.co/d5NY0VV/X0-O-My-ZXbl-Frx-ZLvi0-ZR-86qi-Zz44t-PXF825mc2-Wv-XCb-B0wegi-Pw-KTKGrjq-ESm-GN2-Sj-X4-Uk-DGIH-s1600.jpg https://i.ibb.co/bd1Trt2/Vg-BFjo-WXg-q-Lv-CR2-Abs-Oe-da4-Wc5u-ROz-Ke20-Qjzhp3-R6f-R0-JK90-WG64uvt-Mfif1o-Smr-Ml-q5-2t-L-s1600.jpg https://i.ibb.co/sPN8HfX/t-Vm-S2-Asj3a2uik-Scxfoc28g-NWIbo-GDpu-Ae0k-Uw-P-w24-Bb-Yhvl-LT132-U8-Bfxy-GNDWRy-OXm-HECW39-s1600.jpg https://i.ibb.co/0c5dR5Q/mo-Tmt89ep-PKa-X8r-Zrqn15vm84kyr-Axp-LBj-KYyp5-H9-m-Io-Bntgo-ALUZb-Pm9-JIf-U0iq-F6z-FRv-J3i-s1600.jpg https://i.ibb.co/XVRnwCx/LTTh-ZFK2w-Um-zg-Bz-Bmy-HUcw-H20-OQzr-WY6-Mu6a-IFSJXQHQVFYx-ON7az5-Ms-MAt-A2j3k-O-PTj-MJdv-R-s1600.jpg

Gladiator, described as easily Hulk's strength equal also falls:

https://i.ibb.co/hfYd10C/4yip2r-DCGMj8b-t-BOmpkl-DTRry-Qa-P0-Fqb-Mjw-t4tsg-FZQDi2k1-Odr-Gw-Z7-JWBY71g-Kw-V2o-X6-S-r-F0-s1600.jpg https://i.ibb.co/L9GPVmw/84-LNc-Mxmmt-VG8o6kk-D8v-Cu1-EHvt3-Shfa-Hv-Fv-DCss9-Svsv-Hnaa-Lk64-NGHSkodj-UIa-Sl4fg1k-BJi-Rq-s1600.jpg https://i.ibb.co/r53QmrV/S1-Em-YZ6-Nc-BWOTGLcw-THRRm-EU5454f-PFJ4-e-W3nt73g76-G-Lf4-R8-D75u-Kj-BHTc-X6b-O8-J4-Skmg-i-0-s1600.jpg https://i.ibb.co/chwvrcD/frg3a-KCn-R7i-WNj-Rs-YR07-Tn-Ao3vw-XKIur-SJmjvy-JKxlu-WA8op2yc-Q-Lvr-Kk4e2-Sjz-Vwct59-Kx-Yz-L-s1600.jpg

Thanos overpowers and solos the same Annihilus in short order once he unleashes his power:

https://i.ibb.co/9tdPgNG/xos-X7rh1o-HSf-WJRk-ADV3-XTqiqrcqek-D-FQwyc-YEtx-IS3g5i-GBFNDV0-FBWj05-Ux-Km4-G67d7ls-S3-ZY-s1600.jpg https://i.ibb.co/Vxr71wm/vz6-YAcft15y-d-Mh-E-X0st-Tt-A-L5-KE5vz-UIs44ya7-Bj0-PUDcm69-PAPKf-Qyg-Ma-Agn-Ml-Gj-Xzks-X-s5-F-s1600.jpg https://i.ibb.co/7C2skgp/yemr-LJQ4qb-KN2g-HOLS4e-X9r-N-k-Q-wrpa2-a9q7yw-In-Hpk-G2v6w-DVa-Hlq-ZRf4-QUe-Ia-AMg-DODWs-USh-s1600.jpg https://i.ibb.co/v3NzDd5/Uz-Uz-wi-IXlwu-WMOFHllzetc-MPo-XKi15-GZoij-Hx-Kz-NC-Sw-KDq14g-I6-Ww1ox-E0u-YGZb8vn-Gy-NUGAb-M-s1600.jpg

Nice. And it really only makes sense. The weakest Thanos can bust a planet in battle, the same kind of feat that requires the strongest Hulk (Worldbreaker). And even then you can argue it's due to the more fragile matter in the Dark Dimension, although I'm a bit meh on that.

Plus it was a shared feat with Betty......

Originally posted by GenghisJuan
Nice. And it really only makes sense. The weakest Thanos can bust a planet in battle, the same kind of feat that requires the strongest Hulk (Worldbreaker). And even then you can argue it's due to the more fragile matter in the Dark Dimension, although I'm a bit meh on that.

That initial version of Thanos is still the shit:

https://i.ibb.co/zZnX58Y/l8k-Mb5-KOFMmn2nnrm-Npt-S15-SPEEx-Vxg-Xck7-BAT4yt-Zfs-Yu-Qccu1v-NKTv-BBu-BH4-El-8csxk-T-m-S8-s1600.jpg https://i.ibb.co/m87CdHf/y-CMq-JAej6jbg-Ux1-Oyf-ILp-O1-Vk-T1j-OQmfy-W4-Dsb-B27k-Nv-Mo-JYKDz-r-Vd-D64-JLOLk5e-K65-D32-HJ6x-s16.jpg https://i.ibb.co/Pwxg706/oy-Gl-FW0o-K468-WI5v-TDUYr-HKCp-Vy-Fw-Uiuj-MIUjr8xasp-MDCsz-KIRht7-EM7ox-H2-Hkoq32-H9m-SI0-Rx-P-s160.jpg https://i.ibb.co/vBTBWBs/Rl-SU7mn-Lg-IGXi-I21y-Bo-XWp-FGnksw-Cz-Rqil-Wxmyk-Wbk-KJI0-OWECc-V-ykmm4j-Uu-SPPl-BOh-Ff24a-WFz-s160.jpg https://i.ibb.co/hyrdThW/ue-XVx9xxx-SOSZp7-Ty9g-Vpp-Bm1c-MOii-PAh0-ZDlo-Vu-IULw-Op-QG9c50i-QOa-AB6c-YOHD7-Tk8-W5kn9-TG-s1600.jpg

(well, until Warlock, but still!)

back when thanos was actually cool and starlin was a fukcin knob.

From Starlin himself.

https://ibb.co/w42BsB7

ok....what does this prove?

Originally posted by carver9
From Starlin himself.

https://ibb.co/w42BsB7 where does that say Starlin thinks Hulk would beat Thanos? you complete and utter retard.


You cropping the interview shows how dense you are when you have Thanos making Hulk look inferior in comics wrote by Starlin himself.

Yeah, he doesn't want to fight someone who regenerates, gets back up and can't be reasoned with. No one goes "I want to go box the Hulk, sounds like fun!". Like, by your logic Spider-Man scales above TOAA because TOAA said "I don't want to fight you Peter" in One More Day.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
you're missing his point though or hand-waving it away. hence the trolling accusation

His point doesn't refute my point. I made the first point, he rebutted with things that are irrelevant to my point.

I'll summarize my point.

1. Surfer has demonstrated light speed reflexes and perceptions.
2. Surfer has demonstrated light speed travel within a fight.
3. Surfer has shields.

Those three things imply that Thanos will have a hard time, if not impossible , landing an attack. So far this is, at minimum, a stalemate for SS.

4. Surfer has shown power enough to blow up planets. Surfer nor anyone else has blasted Thanos with the power capable of completely destroying a planet.

5. Surfer has demonstrated black hole creation from touch.

6. Surfer can use board from behind tricks.

Originally posted by GenghisJuan
Nice. And it really only makes sense. The weakest Thanos can bust a planet in battle, the same kind of feat that requires the strongest Hulk (Worldbreaker). And even then you can argue it's due to the more fragile matter in the Dark Dimension, although I'm a bit meh on that.

No version of Thanos can bust a planet. In the feat with Drax. Both caused (shared feat) the planet to destroy itself by creating an instability in the planet. That's far weaker than directly busting a planet without the planet's help.

All later Thanos were shown to be weaker in the feat department.
That's like a character lifting 100 tons on his debut but failing to lift more than 5 tons in every later showing despite stating he is more powerful.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
Having read through the thread Philo has pretty much assf*cked h1 to death with all the point.

One thing h1 lied about again, Thanos does have auto shields and has had them through out his career.
Surviving is not the same as tanking with no damage.


Scans or issue numbers that the blasts were planet destroying blasts and that such blasts hit Thanos directly.

Originally posted by h1a8
No version of Thanos can bust a planet. In the feat with Drax. Both caused (shared feat) the planet to destroy itself by creating an instability in the planet. That's far weaker than directly busting a planet without the planet's help.

All later Thanos were shown to be weaker in the feat department.
That's like a character lifting 100 tons on his debut but failing to lift more than 5 tons in every later showing despite stating he is more powerful.

1. Please show me where that's stated.
2. Ah yeah because fighting Odin and Tyrant aren't Planetary feats.

Originally posted by h1a8
No version of Thanos can bust a planet. In the feat with Drax. Both caused (shared feat) the planet to destroy itself by creating an instability in the planet. That's far weaker than directly busting a planet without the planet's help.

All later Thanos were shown to be weaker in the feat department.
That's like a character lifting 100 tons on his debut but failing to lift more than 5 tons in every later showing despite stating he is more powerful.

why dude why

https://imgur.com/a/jVwTizF

Assuming no tp. If this is green scar or better then Hulk would also solo.

Originally posted by MrMind
why dude why

https://imgur.com/a/jVwTizF

Show the whole scene where Thanos is pushing Thane through..

Also, if pushing someone through a planet causes the planet to blow up then again this is the same as the Drax feat (making the planet destroy itself)

https://i.postimg.cc/7C89Hhdr/ryan-reynolds-facepalm-gif.gif

Originally posted by h1a8
Scans or issue numbers that the blasts were planet destroying blasts and that such blasts hit Thanos directly.

He was unharmed from gas giant exploding in his face, you know what a gas giant is right?

https://imgur.com/a/dUt6z9E

Thanos beat the Champion. That means the amplifier Surfer used on Invisible Woman in SW2 Thanos can beat.

Originally posted by MrMind
He was unharmed from gas giant exploding in his face, you know what a gas giant is right?

https://imgur.com/a/dUt6z9E


A planet destroying blast is astronomically more powerful than the effects of a gas giant exploding from hundreds of thousands of miles away.


In the sphere of the explosion, Thanos was only subject to his body size worth of energy. In other words, Thanos experienced less than a millionth of the total energy output.

Originally posted by GenghisJuan
Yeah, he doesn't want to fight someone who regenerates, gets back up and can't be reasoned with. No one goes "I want to go box the Hulk, sounds like fun!". Like, by your logic Spider-Man scales above TOAA because TOAA said "I don't want to fight you Peter" in One More Day.

Thanos is wary fighting the Hulk due to his infinite power. I'm looking for the interview where he said Hulk can beat Thanos but I can't find it. Anyways, Thanos encounters with Hulk is him grabbing Hulk head ending with Hulk still being conscious. He punched a Hulk that was charging at Thanos and his lackeys and Hulk smiled at the attack. He eye blasted Hulk while hiding behind shields ending with Hulk bouncing back up. They haven't had a real fight. Landing licks on Hulk, someone that isn't known for dodging, someone that welcome attacks, isn't a sign of victory. Almost everyone that fight Hulk pounds on him ending with him over powering them in the end. His stamina, increase in power, etc, overcoming that is the key in beating him and Thanos haven't done that yet. Those single, doing nothing attacks proves nothing. Hulk wrecks him.

Originally posted by h1a8
A planet destroying blast is astronomically more powerful than the effects of a gas giant exploding from hundreds of thousands of miles away.


In the sphere of the explosion, Thanos was only subject to his body size worth of energy. In other words, Thanos experienced less than a millionth of the total energy output. every post you make is a excuse and you dare call others a troll.

Thanos doesn't fear Odin, Galactus, Tyrant, Warlock, the Annihilators etc but suddenly he is afraid of Hulk? Lol

Originally posted by Adam Grimes
Thanos doesn't fear Odin, Galactus, Tyrant, Warlock, the Annihilators etc but suddenly he is afraid of Hulk? Lol

Maybe that's y he kept him on a leash in the future. Fear

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Maybe that's y he kept him on a leash in the future. Fear He beat the phuck out of him and kept him as a pet as punishment. Thanos has shown several times he has no fear from the Hulk. Only trolls likes coward9 cling to that myth.

Originally posted by Adam Grimes
Thanos doesn't fear Odin, Galactus, Tyrant, Warlock, the Annihilators etc but suddenly he is afraid of Hulk? Lol

Your question should be "why not". Hulk gets more powerful by the second, even when your pounding on him. Thanos even admitted fighting Champion is like fighting the Hulk during the time Champion had the power gem and he hid behind his shields the entire time and beat Champion via trickery. Then let's not forget multiple writers stating Hulk power is equal to that of Celestials, Phoenix Force, Galactus himself, etc... yes, a serious Hulk should be able to outright wreck Thanos.

Writers nevr said Hulk was equal to the Phoenix wtf.

Originally posted by carver9
Your question should be "why not". Hulk gets more powerful by the second, even when your pounding on him. Thanos even admitted fighting Champion is like fighting the Hulk during the time Champion had the power gem and he hid behind his shields the entire time and beat Champion via trickery. Then let's not forget multiple writers stating Hulk power is equal to that of Celestials, Phoenix Force, Galactus himself, etc... yes, a serious Hulk should be able to outright wreck Thanos. the comparison was about a physical confrontation not their power levels.

Okay, just going to end the Thanos vs Hulk thing here.

PG Thor cracked Thanos' shield with one shot. Thanos' regular durability was enough to take multiple shots. So, Thanos' durability is at least relative to his shields. Hulk punches said shield and does... absolutely nothing. Thanos then slaps him away casually. It's as simple as that.

Originally posted by GenghisJuan
Okay, just going to end the Thanos vs Hulk thing here.

PG Thor cracked Thanos' shield with one shot. Thanos' regular durability was enough to take multiple shots. So, Thanos' durability is at least relative to his shields. Hulk punches said shield and does... absolutely nothing. Thanos then slaps him away casually. It's as simple as that.

Not the same shields.

Originally posted by GenghisJuan
Okay, just going to end the Thanos vs Hulk thing here.

PG Thor cracked Thanos' shield with one shot. Thanos' regular durability was enough to take multiple shots. So, Thanos' durability is at least relative to his shields. Hulk punches said shield and does... absolutely nothing. Thanos then slaps him away casually. It's as simple as that. ask coward9 to prove they are not the same shields.

Thanos slaughters team and uses Hulk's corpse as masturbation cup. Carver cries in his bedroom while watching this.

I'm still waiting on:

-Why Surfer would hold back against Odin
-Why Odin would hold back against Thanos despite using Gungnir
-How Drax vs Thanos caused a chain reaction in the Planet
-Starlin stating Hulk > Thanos

I guess I'll need to add why they were different shields to the waiting list as well.

Originally posted by h1a8
2. No they are not planet busting feats especially when those 2 are not operating at planet busting levels.
Dude your IQ must be in the millions. Odin is fighting for his son, why would he hold back. He pulled out Gungnir, said he respected Thanos, he was a worthy foe, they have similar energy reserves, etc. Why would he be holding back? And why are we assuming Tyrant was holding back as well?

Originally posted by GenghisJuan
I'm still waiting on:

-Why Surfer would hold back against Odin
-Why Odin would hold back against Thanos despite using Gungnir
-How Drax vs Thanos caused a chain reaction in the Planet
-Starlin stating Hulk > Thanos

I guess I'll need to add why they were different shields to the waiting list as well.

Neither held back. It was just they were each not operating at planet busting power at the time. Fiction inconsistency.

In one scene Supergirl lifts a half million ton key, but in another scene from another show she is seen struggling with weights that are not even 100 tons. The reason behind that is the same reason all characters operate at different levels at different times.

What? If they're not holding back, then they're operating at their peak. Which is Planet busting. Hell, even if they did have energy to spare, Odin says Thanos has a similar energy reserve, with a reserve meaning accessible things you're not using. So Thanos scales to the rest of the reserve as well.

Originally posted by GenghisJuan
What? If they're not holding back, then they're operating at their peak. Which is Planet busting. Hell, even if they did have energy to spare, Odin says Thanos has a similar energy reserve, with a reserve meaning accessible things you're not using. So Thanos scales to the rest of the reserve as well.

So the fiction inconsistency went over your head.
Ill repeat, characters operate at different levels at different times due to the plot and fiction inconsistency (not because they are holding back). That is why supergirl was straining when trying to exert forces less than 100tons when she before lifted a half million ton key without any strain.

For you to ignore the supergirl example is pure trolling.
I can post many other examples too.

Is this your first time on a battleboard? In comic debates, people find a consistency for a character. When said character appears in the comic, people check the context to see if they're holding back, serious, weaker than usual, etc. Within this comic, Surfer and Odin have no anti-feats to suggest they're not written at their peak, nor do they have reasons to hold back, and, if anything, the opposite. So, with that, we can make the supported claim that these characters are at what has been established as their consistent power level for when they're serious.

Originally posted by h1a8
Neither held back. It was just they were each not operating at planet busting power at the time. Fiction inconsistency.

In one scene Supergirl lifts a half million ton key, but in another scene from another show she is seen struggling with weights that are not even 100 tons. The reason behind that is the same reason all characters operate at different levels at different times. You do know what Odin staff is used for a why he uses it?

Il wait for your bullshit answer.

Originally posted by GenghisJuan
Is this your first time on a battleboard? In comic debates, people find a consistency for a character. When said character appears in the comic, people check the context to see if they're holding back, serious, weaker than usual, etc. Within this comic, Surfer and Odin have no anti-feats to suggest they're not written at their peak, nor do they have reasons to hold back, and, if anything, the opposite. So, with that, we can make the supported claim that these characters are at what has been established as their consistent power level for when they're serious.

So now you are beginning to understand my argument. Why is it so hard for people to understand my arguments?

99% of the time neither is operating at planet busting levels. So on average, they are not.

Again holding back has nothing to do my argument. Stop talking about that. You are going backwards again.
Characters operate at different levels (using all their might) at different times.

Typical non holding back Surfer and Odin do not operate at planet busting levels. If you disagree then argue against that and nothing else.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
You do know what Odin staff is used for a why he uses it?

Il wait for your bullshit answer.

With Gungnir, Odin was still operating at less than planet busting power when blasting Thanos.

Originally posted by h1a8
So now you are beginning to understand my argument. Why is it so hard for people to understand my arguments?

99% of the time neither is operating at planet busting levels. So on average, they are not.

Again holding back has nothing to do my argument. Stop talking about that. You are going backwards again.
Characters operate at different levels (using all their might) at different times.

Typical non holding back Surfer and Odin do not operate at planet busting levels. If you disagree then argue against that and nothing else.

Most of the time they're not at Planetary Levels, it's because they're holding back. So no, holding back is an important factor. Typical Surfer and Odin aren't going anywhere close to all out. And I wouldn't call Odin with Gungnir "typical Odin" either. The rest of my post still stands.

Originally posted by GenghisJuan
Most of the time they're not at Planetary Levels, it's because they're holding back. So no, holding back is an important factor. Typical Surfer and Odin aren't going anywhere close to all out. And I wouldn't call Odin with Gungnir "typical Odin" either. The rest of my post still stands.

I disagree. We go by writer's intent.

Characters are only holding back if the comic states or writer alludes to it.

Not really. Thor has stated many times that he holds back against mortals. So, when he fights a random moral, we can assume that he's not going all out unless there's further context. Superman has a similar thing. If anything, characters are only going all out of it's stated or alluded to.

Originally posted by GenghisJuan
Not really. Thor has stated many times that he holds back against mortals. So, when he fights a random moral, we can assume that he's not going all out unless there's further context. Superman has a similar thing. If anything, characters are only going all out of it's stated or alluded to.
Not many times. Maybe a few at the most.

The comics stated it therefore Thor held back against mortals.

The comics stated Surfer holds back as well, so what's your point? And while Odin doesn't necessarily have statements of holding back, when he tells his opponent they're a great/worthy foe and he needs to take out Gungnir, which is arguably an amp, it's fair to say he was fighting at his peak.

Originally posted by GenghisJuan
The comics stated Surfer holds back as well, so what's your point? And while Odin doesn't necessarily have statements of holding back, when he tells his opponent they're a great/worthy foe and he needs to take out Gungnir, which is arguably an amp, it's fair to say he was fighting at his peak.

Surfer is only holding back when it is alluded to by the writer. Otherwise, writer's intent is Surfer is giving his all. Which has nothing to do with Surfer not using Planetary blasts on Thanos.


Supergirl was straining on less than 100 tons. While when lifting 500,000 ton key she didnt bat an eye. Why is that?

Again, that just an inconsistency. I explained this. We don't assume Superman is paper level in every instance nor we take him as Multiversal. We find a mid-end between his feats that can be taken as the power he's exerting when he's serious. I covered most of that already.

Originally posted by GenghisJuan
Again, that just an inconsistency. I explained this. We don't assume Superman is paper level in every instance nor we take him as Multiversal. We find a mid-end between his feats that can be taken as the power he's exerting when he's serious. I covered most of that already.

So you agree that characters operate at different levels at different times while exerting their full might.

Good.

So if we go off typical Surfer, he never blasted Thanos with planet busting power. Writers at that time didnt believe Surfer had that level of power. Thats why so many members here on kmc thought Galactus amped Surfer when he did that feat.

If we go off typical Odin (over 90% of his fights) then he does blast with planet busting power either.

Therefore to assume both were using planet busting force against Thanos is illogical.

Peak Surfer is treated at those levels. If you don't think peak Surfer is treated at those levels, then your point for his planetary feats being a reason for winning is moot. "Typical Odin" he had Gungnir, so no, it's not typical Odin. Surfer said yes, he did give all he got. So again, no.

Originally posted by GenghisJuan
Peak Surfer is treated at those levels. If you don't think peak Surfer is treated at those levels, then your point for his planetary feats being a reason for winning is moot. "Typical Odin" he had Gungnir, so no, it's not typical Odin. Surfer said yes, he did give all he got. So again, no. Surfer never exhibited that amount of power until YEARS after his confrontations with Thanos. Why do you think the majority of us thought Surfer was amped when he first blew up a planet? At that time that feat was astronomically more than he ever did.

Typical Odin with Gugnir. Is that better?