Ion vs Sise Neg

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deft
Ion (Hand of God Kyle) vs Sise Neg (peak)

Who wins

Stoic
What has Sise Neg done?

Mr Master
^^ He became "THE" God ... literally.

LordGod
Originally posted by Stoic
What has Sise Neg done? After a series of time shenanigans, he ended up creating the 616 universe.

Mr Master
Actually, as "GOD! ... the One ... the All-Powerful"

https://s7d4.turboimg.net/t1/43526106_SG1.jpg


He re-created everything! ... "The Universe and beyond"

https://s7d4.turboimg.net/t1/43526107_SG2.jpg

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As GOD he also created the Writer & the Artist of the story, (on panel) thumb up but who's counting? smile

... uber 4th wall teh powah! ...

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Also, he was ruler of All RealitieS as intended by the omniscient Writer.

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Siseneg became, Genesis "THE" God! ... literally according to the Writer and Artist.

LordGod
Actually, Sise just created "THIS Universe"-
https://i.postimg.cc/GpnbP1pn/0.jpg

"God!" or not, he still just created one universe.

Mr Master
"This universe" is the first universe.

What the one and only true "Big Bang" is used for,
to create "This Universe" which leads to the creation of all others.

Because 616 is the first universe,
and every other mirror/diverged/parallel universe
is only relevant/existing because 616 was first.

They're all copies of one template, the first template, 616.

So, if one goes back to the point before 616 was created
in the original FIRST Big Bang that spawned the Multiverse ...

... they end up in the absolute void of nothingness where nothing else exists anywhere else.

In Siseneg's case he absorbed all the energy across 616's history,
616's history is intrinsically tied to the history of all the alternate realities.

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This is why the writer of even that scene you posted
that does not involve the creators of the original Siseneg story,

still labels Genesis "GOD!"

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Now, exactly how the writer in the LT involve scene interprets "GOD" is unknown to me.

But what I do know is an undebatable fact,

is that according to the Writer and Artist of the original Siseneg story,
he became "GOD, the One, the Almighty - Ruler of All RealitieS" ...

... hell, he even created the Writer and the Artist on panel. laughing out loud

LordGod
According to most recent canon, Sise just created one universe. What happened to Marvel cosmology after that wasn't his doing -not directly at least- so it's inconsequential to the feats Sise personally preformed.

Like I originally said- "God" or not, he still just created one universe on panel. That is the greatest feat he has from which to gauge his power.

Mr Master
I see. So this is POST-Retcon Sise-Neg.

A Sise-Neg re-counted in story-telling by the LT.

Who is somehow being labeled "GOD" by the writer with the power of one universe as you say.

I see.

I also see you must've overlooked Marvel's cosmology
as explained above concerning 616 and the original Big Bang.

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Pre-Retcon Sise-Neg was:

THE GOD, the One, the Almighty ...

... as in the real world Judeo-Christian GOD like the Presence of DC comics.

Pre-Retcon Sise-Neg literally created the Writer and the Artist of the story on panel. laughing

But that's beyond the Presence.

Holey Shit! ... one of the greatest feats in comic history. thumb up

LordGod
We use the most recent versions of characters here. Therefore I'm using the most recent version of Sise.

Mr Master
"We?"

Actually we use whatever the thread starter wishes to use.

Also, even per Marvel canon,
all universeS (mirrors/diverged/parallels/timelines)
derive from 616. smile

Sise-Neg became Genesis, the supreme being of all those universeS.

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The Beyond Realm is the only exclusivity regarding 616,
but, the Beyond Realm didn't exist during the original saga of Sise-Neg.

deft
Cheers Mr. Master, here we go:

1st round: Classic Sise Neg
2nd round: Current Sise Neg

Any difference in particular?

Diesldude
Originally posted by Mr Master
"We?"

Actually we use whatever the thread starter wishes to use.

Also, even per Marvel canon,
all universeS (mirrors/diverged/parallels/timelines)
derive from 616. smile

Sise-Neg became Genesis, the supreme being of all those universeS.

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The Beyond Realm is the only exclusivity regarding 616,
but, the Beyond Realm didn't exist during the original saga of Sise-Neg.

By beyond I thought it was the beyonder realm.

He was a wizard that accumulated power and then went back and created the 616 universe/multiverse?

Sick feat, where does he stack up with The One Above All That LT reports to.

Mr Master
Originally posted by deft
Cheers Mr. Master, here we go:

1st round: Classic Sise Neg
2nd round: Current Sise Neg

Any difference in particular?
I'm not sure if there is a difference.

It seems Stone (writer) is keeping Sise-Neg's story connected to Englehart's original portrayals.

He's still responsible for the First Big Bang, ... he's still GOD.

https://s7d3.turboimg.net/t1/43602529_S2.jpg

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The LT stated how essential Sise-Neg was: "Ultimate importance"

https://s7d3.turboimg.net/t1/43602527_S1.jpg

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The LT is referring to the First Big Bang that creates him and everything else:

https://s7d3.turboimg.net/t1/43602530_S3.jpg
Originally posted by Diesldude

By beyond I thought it was the beyonder realm.
That would be amazing. But there was no beyond realm at the time.

He meant all realities of Marvel at the time. (infinite universeS)
Originally posted by Diesldude

He was a wizard that accumulated power and then went back and created the 616 universe/multiverse?
He absorbed all mystical energy and all space-time across all history.
Originally posted by Diesldude

Sick feat, where does he stack up with The One Above All That LT reports to.
He basically created the LT, and everything else beneath the LT in accordance with Marvel cosmology.

As for his place, imo, in a top hierarchy?

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f95/t660815.html

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by Mr Master
I see. So this is POST-Retcon Sise-Neg.

A Sise-Neg re-counted in story-telling by the LT.

Who is somehow being labeled "GOD" by the writer with the power of one universe as you say.

I see.

I also see you must've overlooked Marvel's cosmology
as explained above concerning 616 and the original Big Bang.

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Pre-Retcon Sise-Neg was:

THE GOD, the One, the Almighty ...

... as in the real world Judeo-Christian GOD like the Presence of DC comics.

Pre-Retcon Sise-Neg literally created the Writer and the Artist of the story on panel. laughing

But that's beyond the Presence.

Holey Shit! ... one of the greatest feats in comic history. thumb up

So is there a difference or not?

Mr Master
Originally posted by DarkSaint85

So is there a difference or not?
I hadn't read the story and was basing my opinion of one scan posted,
I picked up the book, read it, and my opinion is now more sound.

Imo, it appears, .. no difference.

MrMind
Originally posted by LordGod
Actually, Sise just created "THIS Universe"-
https://i.postimg.cc/GpnbP1pn/0.jpg

"God!" or not, he still just created one universe.

thumb up

Mr Master
Originally posted by Mr Master

Sise-Neg became ... Genesis ... Ruler of All RealitieS!

THE GOD, the One, the Almighty ... the embodiment of the First Big Bang ...

... the Big Bang that created the Living Tribunal end everything else.

... GOD!

... as in the real world Judeo-Christian GOD like the Presence of DC comics.

Sise-Neg literally created the Writer and the Artist of the story on panel. wow

But that's beyond the Presence.

Holey Shit! ... one of the greatest feats in comic history. thumb up
thumb up

abhilegend
LMAO, oh the sheer trolling. Go on, humor us.

Mr Master
Go on panthertroll, I dare you to challenge the facts in my post,
so I can devour your clueless kmc soul yet again.

abhilegend
Originally posted by Mr Master
Go on panthertroll, I dare you to challenge the facts in my post,
so I can devour your clueless kmc soul yet again.
I'm not panthergod, you dweeb. Are you stoned again?

MrMind
Kyle stomps

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