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Barry and Wally are. Superman is faster than the others, though.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Barry and Wally are. Superman is faster than the others, though. flight speed or running speed?

Barry and Wally should be faster on foot, while flying, Clark should be faster.

I think generally Flash is slightly faster.

Unless Superman needs to be faster, in which case he is.

Flash is massively faster than Superman
Flash war already discussed this

lmao not like it's been the only time

Originally posted by JBL THE GREAT
flight speed or running speed?

Whether Superman is flying or running, Wally and Barry have a higher ceiling than him.

Superman flies a fair bit faster than he runs, though.

Flash is faster... As he should be.


DC confirmed the speedster pecking order months back:
http://i.imgur.com/Kc7S1aZm.jpg

Originally posted by Galan007
Flash is faster... As he should be.


DC confirmed the speedster pecking order months back:
http://i.imgur.com/Kc7S1aZm.jpg

Yep.

reflexes about equal. in top speed, supes' flight speed is faster in short bursts but he can't maintain it.

but really, it depends on the need. if the story needs superman to be the fastest to win, he will be.

flash doesn't operate under the concept of hope and toppling the impossible, he isn't the lynchpin of reality. superman does and is.

Originally posted by Galan007
Flash is faster... As he should be.


DC confirmed the speedster pecking order months back:
http://i.imgur.com/Kc7S1aZm.jpg Interesting enough, it confirms in flight that Supes is fastest. And 4th on foot.

But we also know he can't go his fastest on Earth either, because he'll destroy the place.

Poor Shazam

Superman only slower than Barry and Wally but faster than other Flashes in terms of running speed, When he flying, The official ranking only described him is unmacthed, But according to comics, He still slower than Barry and Wally while flying, But they gap shouldn't be massive IMO

When it comes to a race then Flash is faster if he doesn't hold back otherwise Clark is , at flying both are equals i suppose

Originally posted by Galan007
Flash is faster... As he should be.


DC confirmed the speedster pecking order months back:
http://i.imgur.com/Kc7S1aZm.jpg

...WTF did they do to the Black Racer?

Originally posted by Juntai
Interesting enough, it confirms in flight that Supes is fastest. And 4th on foot.

But we also know he can't go his fastest on Earth either, because he'll destroy the place.

Because Flash can't fly.

Anyway, Wally is the fastest being in THE MULTIVERSE, confirmed in a comic.

And Dan "The Dildo" Didio cries about that fact to this very day.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Barry and Wally are. Superman is faster than the others, though.

What others? Kid Flashes? Jay?

On a good day....Superman can be somewhat competitive, but like, if Flash isn't really tapping into the Speed Force I guess. It's hard to tell.

Flash's ceiling is definitely way higher in practice. Barry Allen would smoke Superman. To Wally West at his best, he'd be a statute (And has been).

Originally posted by CosmicComet
reflexes about equal. in top speed, supes' flight speed is faster in short bursts but he can't maintain it.

but really, it depends on the need. if the story needs superman to be the fastest to win, he will be.

flash doesn't operate under the concept of hope and toppling the impossible, he isn't the lynchpin of reality. superman does and is.

"Superman is kind, of, maybe faster....but TECHNICALLY Flash is faster, but ONLY if Superman lets him. Of course. Probably."

Lmao.

In what story, has Superman been faster than Flash?

Based on what information is Superman's flight faster than Flash in short bursts? Where are you getting this information from? I'm legit curious where this short-burst distinction comes from.

If you want to calculate galactic distances, he should be faster full-stop (So are a bunch of other characters). If not, then he isn't.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
What others? Kid Flashes? Jay?

Yeah. Though I'm not sure about Bart, as he was pretty fast as the actual Flash (and he was pretty quick as Kid Flash), and I don't recall all of his feats. People like Jay and Jesse though? Yeah.

Originally posted by Putinbot1
From Discover on Google https://www.tweaktown.com/news/67931/official-superman-faster-flash/index.html canon?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
On a good day....Superman can be somewhat competitive, but like, if Flash isn't really tapping into the Speed Force I guess. It's hard to tell.

What a bunch of nonsense. Superman just matched Flash going full tilt in Metal and his own series.


https://s7d2.turboimg.net/t1/36403321_Dark_Nights_-_Metal_2017-_003-024.jpg https://s7d2.turboimg.net/t1/36403323_Dark_Nights_-_Metal_2017-_003-025.jpg

Shown in full detail here.

https://s1.postimg.cc/6dwkw5phi3/image.jpg https://s1.postimg.cc/4wqfuem7mj/image.jpg https://s1.postimg.cc/7nzi2h96jf/image.jpg


LMAO. Show one scene where Wally made Superman a statue. Superman has punched so fast that Wally could only watch and do nothing to prevent it.


https://i.postimg.cc/Yh7gJZbG/image.jpg

Superman is not going to be shown faster than Flash but he isn't going to be shown too slow either. This isn't post Crisis Superman with fixed limits to his powers anymore.

Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX
canon?
I don't think so.

Dr Manhattan killed reverse flash and casually incapacitated Barry before he could even react.

We all know that's not going to happen to Superman. In the end Superman will bend the impossible to get things done. Even beat someone the fastest in the multiverse are helpless to beat.

as far as speed concerned in fictions, Speedforce> All thus Flash is faster

Originally posted by Galan007
Flash is faster... As he should be.


DC confirmed the speedster pecking order months back:
http://i.imgur.com/Kc7S1aZm.jpg
I love how dc conveniently left out Bart

Originally posted by -Pr-
Yeah. Though I'm not sure about Bart, as he was pretty fast as the actual Flash (and he was pretty quick as Kid Flash), and I don't recall all of his feats. People like Jay and Jesse though? Yeah.
at one point when Bart absorbed the speedforce of an entire universe he was the fastest man alive and the fastest man ever lived

Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX
canon? Why wouldn't it be? Up in the Sky is Canon and set in continuity.

Originally posted by abhilegend
LMAO. Show one scene where Wally made Superman a statue. During Wally's fight with Hunter Zoom. Superman was shown as one of the heroes who were completely unable to help because he was too slow.

.... but that's a long time ago. Things change.

Originally posted by Putinbot1
Why wouldn't it be? Up in the Sky is Canon and set in continuity. I thought there was some kind of inconsistency that potentially made the series non canon. It was discussed not long ago in the questions thread iirc.

Originally posted by LordGod
I thought there was some kind of inconsistency that potentially made the series non canon. It was discussed not long ago in the questions thread iirc. As far as I know its canon and in continuity.

I legit told people it was canon lmao

Originally posted by Putinbot1
As far as I know its canon and in continuity. Someone needs to skim the discussion thread, because I know there was something that made its canonicity dubious. Just can't remember what exactly.

Originally posted by LordGod
During Wally's fight with Hunter Zoom. Superman was shown as one of the heroes who were completely unable to help because he was too slow.

.... but that's a long time ago. Things change.

It showed Superman chilling on the air

Superman later explicitly matched post Flash Revirth Professor Zoom/Reverse Flash who had the entire Dark Speed Force.

Originally posted by LordGod
During Wally's fight with Hunter Zoom. Superman was shown as one of the heroes who were completely unable to help because he was too slow.

.... but that's a long time ago. Things change.
Superman had no idea they were even fighting and Wally was amped on Jay, Bart and Jesse Quick's speed. Later Bizarro matched Zoom in speed and Kal L casually oneshotted Zoom.

https://i.postimg.cc/MvvBqCN9/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/G4DsskcY/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/4KTHvmd0/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/qhJtYS2X/image.jpg

Ah. Cheers, boys!

Flash war debunked the notion of Superman being anywhere as fast as Wally or Barry

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Flash war debunked the notion of Superman being anywhere as fast as Wally or Barry


Same writer had Superman match Flash going full speed just twelve issues ago.

he actually didn't but ok, there's context for that but it's irrelevant because we go with the precedence. the more RECENT stuff

Originally posted by abhilegend
What a bunch of nonsense. Superman just matched Flash going full tilt in Metal and his own series.


https://s7d2.turboimg.net/t1/36403321_Dark_Nights_-_Metal_2017-_003-024.jpg https://s7d2.turboimg.net/t1/36403323_Dark_Nights_-_Metal_2017-_003-025.jpg

Shown in full detail here.

https://s1.postimg.cc/6dwkw5phi3/image.jpg https://s1.postimg.cc/4wqfuem7mj/image.jpg https://s1.postimg.cc/7nzi2h96jf/image.jpg


LMAO. Show one scene where Wally made Superman a statue. Superman has punched so fast that Wally could only watch and do nothing to prevent it.


https://i.postimg.cc/Yh7gJZbG/image.jpg

Superman is not going to be shown faster than Flash but he isn't going to be shown too slow either. This isn't post Crisis Superman with fixed limits to his powers anymore.


u dont see a confirmation that Supes was matching Flash's top speed. Only Superman telling him to hit his top speeds and that Flash stated he was going, like no need to rush him. Especially since not too long after this we see Barry absolutely dust Superman so bad he never realized Clark was smashing him.

Wasn't the 1st time when Wally dusted Superman

https://i.postimg.cc/mzmFf9f5/2825130-tumblr-kz755fe-ON31qbqh7po1-500.jpg

Let's show you why Abhi the king of misintrepration is wrong as usual

*sighs*

In Flash #33: Bats out of Hell, Superman has Barry run at his top speed and then we see what seems to be Barry lending Superman his built up KE and transferring it to him in the form of a Speed Force bolt, suddenly making Superman glow the same color and get faster:

https://i.postimg.cc/gxBzWKnR/lao.jpg

In fact, that scan I just posted might actually be the second perspective of your scans. We now have more context behind Superman breaching the portal.

The rest of that feat:

https://i.postimg.cc/5QN9JKqB/eks.jpg

A closer look showing that yes Barry amped Superman:
https://i.postimg.cc/sGZ6Mscs/bas.jpg

A closer look at what appears to be Barry transferring his KE to Superman:

https://i.postimg.cc/WqjFk7mz/tran.jpg

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
he actually didn't but ok, there's context for that but it's irrelevant because we go with the precedence. the more RECENT stuff


Do tell. Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Wasn't the 1st time when Wally dusted Superman

https://i.postimg.cc/mzmFf9f5/2825130-tumblr-kz755fe-ON31qbqh7po1-500.jpg
That's Barry and he was amped on negative speed force there. Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Let's show you why Abhi the king of misintrepration is wrong as usual

*sighs*

In Flash #33: Bats out of Hell, Superman has Barry run at his top speed and then we see what seems to be Barry lending Superman his built up KE and transferring it to him in the form of a Speed Force bolt, suddenly making Superman glow the same color and get faster:

https://i.postimg.cc/gxBzWKnR/lao.jpg

In fact, that scan I just posted might actually be the second perspective of your scans. We now have more context behind Superman breaching the portal.

The rest of that feat:

https://i.postimg.cc/5QN9JKqB/eks.jpg

A closer look showing that yes Barry amped Superman:
https://i.postimg.cc/sGZ6Mscs/bas.jpg

A closer look at what appears to be Barry transferring his KE to Superman:

https://i.postimg.cc/WqjFk7mz/tran.jpg
And you conveniently forgot the race across the world where Flash was going at full speed.

https://i.postimg.cc/R0NDWJrT/image.jpg

Tell us what is happening before those panels Alberto.

"Those were for charity, Clark."

Originally posted by abhilegend


Do tell.
That's Barry and he was amped on negative speed force there.
And you conveniently forgot the race across the world where Flash was going at full speed.

https://i.postimg.cc/R0NDWJrT/image.jpg

Tell us what is happening before those panels Alberto.

The panel just before that one:

https://i.postimg.cc/fJgWnh25/the.jpg

If that was Barry's true full power then he either got much faster or Superman got slower.

https://i.postimg.cc/r0zgHxKf/sla.jpg

In Flash War him and Wally outran him so bad that they never even realized Supes was behind them. And this was after they had already been running for a while.

But still good to see Supes keeping pace in that, however fast Barry was going.

Barry was apparently lending KE to Superman regardless. I have to read Metal over again to see if there was anything more behind that. It's been a while.

Very similar to when Wally was transferring Kinetic Energy to Supes and the others when he fought Anti Monitor.

https://i.postimg.cc/7bZbpXPH/psa.jpg

A closer look. But of course the scene in Bats Out of Hell is drawn in a more detailed fashion.

https://i.postimg.cc/hzy4DW4S/rba.jpg

And both of these are very similar to Barry lending Kinetic Energy to Steadfast. Though you can argue that Barry was only able to do it to a Still Force conduit:

https://i.postimg.cc/LJTcKk8S/bot.jpg

The story from Tom King and artists Andy Kubert, Sandra Hope, and Brad Anderson recounts one such race between Flash and Superman, televised around the globe as people everywhere root for their favorite racer. Naturally, Superman falls behind soon after they start, rallying once or twice and closing the gap. But with the result seeming clear, Lex Luthor decides to pour some salt on the wounds of his famous foe.

Promising to double all charitable donations raised by the race--but only if Superman manages to win--Lex makes the Man of Steel responsible for "billions" of dollars NOT going to help the world's least fortunate. But Lex doesn't know that Superman is always listening for his enemy's voice... meaning he hears every word of the wager. And as the child narrating this unforgettable race explains, only then does Superman prove why he's one of a kind:

He was going to lose. But he knew if he lost, all those charities would lose, too. All that money. A billion dollars going from Lex Luthor's pocket into making a better world. So he couldn't lose. So he came to what I like to call a contradiction... A contradiction means there are two things that have to be true but they can't both be true... Everyone was saying it was over. He couldn't catch up. People were upset. But I wasn't upset. I was watching. I knew something they didn't know...

A person flying is a contradiction. No one can fly. it's impossible. But Superman. He flies. Having hope when there is no hope is a contradiction. But Superman always has hope. The world is full of contradiction... No matter what you do, how much you try or even cry or even do anything at all, that's everything and everything. But... but Superman. But Superman.

So while it goes without saying that Flash is obviously faster than Superman, putting the two against one another in a race changes the question. Who's faster? Flash. Who would win in a race when the future of the world is on the line? That's exactly the kind of scenario Superman is made for: doing the impossible for the sake of all humanity. We doubt even The Flash himself would argue the result.





https://screenrant.com/superman-flash-faster-race-dc-comic/

https://static2.srcdn.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Superman-Beats-Flash-in-Comic-Race.jpg

Originally posted by Putinbot1
Why wouldn't it be? Up in the Sky is Canon and set in continuity.

iirc Jonathan Kent being alive in it, takes it out of continuity.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
The panel just before that one:

https://i.postimg.cc/fJgWnh25/the.jpg

If that was Barry's true full power then he either got much faster or Superman got slower.

https://i.postimg.cc/r0zgHxKf/sla.jpg

Under Williamson, two Flashes running together amp each other.


https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-bo3vLpEFPvM/Ws3m8oxZT5I/AAAAAAAAFS8/1KxXIuZr4XAWSpsbJ3q0V2vDXzw2QO31wCHMYCw/s1600/RCO015.jpg
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-OgRHPDYm4ac/Ws3m9AHNjdI/AAAAAAAAFTI/_fPrlQ7Ov68kmWMsY0IQN3UWgvyvXKU1QCHMYCw/s1600/RCO016.jpg

They didn't outrun him from start, they already had a heavy headstart and that was the main reason he couldn't catch up to them.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Very similar to when Wally was transferring Kinetic Energy to Supes and the others when he fought Anti Monitor.

https://i.postimg.cc/7bZbpXPH/psa.jpg

A closer look. But of course the scene in Bats Out of Hell is drawn in a more detailed fashion.

https://i.postimg.cc/hzy4DW4S/rba.jpg

And both of these are very similar to Barry lending Kinetic Energy to Steadfast. Though you can argue that Barry was only able to do it to a Still Force conduit:

https://i.postimg.cc/LJTcKk8S/bot.jpg
That was Byrne Superman. Superman kept up with current Wally who is faster than before on foot and outsped him in air.

Originally posted by Galan007
Superman/Wally:
http://s6d3.turboimg.net/t1/32219615_Titans_2016-_007-010.jpg http://s6d3.turboimg.net/t1/32219620_Titans_2016-_007-013.jpg

http://s6d3.turboimg.net/t1/32219627_Titans_2016-_007-015.jpg http://s6d3.turboimg.net/t1/32219635_Titans_2016-_007-016.jpg http://s6d3.turboimg.net/t1/32219639_Titans_2016-_007-021.jpg

I can't see how they had a heavy head start, when he's literally joining them mid race.

If you start running a marathon at 8am, and I join the race at mile 20....Doesn't matter that you've had a head start.

Or in a 400m race, I join you at the 200m mark....

Originally posted by abhilegend
And who said Superman was giving it all?
They were already going at full speed, Superman had to catch up to them. He would've to be faster than both to be able to catch up to them.

No, he wouldn't have. As he was joining them mid run.

If a car goes past at 50mph, and my car joins it mid race at 40mph, I'd be next to it, but slowly losing ground. Like joining traffic on a highway.

Superman flew AFTER them. He wasn't starting ahead of them. If he had caught them, he would be faster than Flashes.

Originally posted by Putinbot1
Why wouldn't it be? Up in the Sky is Canon and set in continuity.

Its canon bit extremely context heavy.

Barry repeatedly bbn left Clark in his dust ("hundreds of milesso "

Clark needed to dig deeeeeep to catch him.

To get close to Barry took so much out of him he was left leaning on his knees panting in exhaustion while Barry AGAIN left him behind (showing no signs of tiring or even pushing himslef)

Clark was HEAVILY motivated to leave Nothing behind, leave it ALL on the track.

So basically Clark hearing that Luthor would match any money made by the rave for charity (billion dollars) not only ensuring the charities have some major funds BUT ensuring Luthot has a billiin or so less dollars to spend on his evil ends. PLUS having the added bonus of causing his greatest enemy more personal hell and punishment than anything he has ever done made him pull out everyrhing to the point of sheer exhaustion (that Barry was clearly no where near and still had plenty in the tank) to JUST pip him at the post.

Yet somehow this is supposed to mean hes now faster than Flash

Originally posted by beatboks
Its canon bit extremely context heavy.

Barry repeatedly bbn left Clark in his dust ("hundreds of milesso "

Clark needed to dig deeeeeep to catch him.

To get close to Barry took so much out of him he was left leaning on his knees panting in exhaustion while Barry AGAIN left him behind (showing no signs of tiring or even pushing himslef)

Clark was HEAVILY motivated to leave Nothing behind, leave it ALL on the track.

So basically Clark hearing that Luthor would match any money made by the rave for charity (billion dollars) not only ensuring the charities have some major funds BUT ensuring Luthot has a billiin or so less dollars to spend on his evil ends. PLUS having the added bonus of causing his greatest enemy more personal hell and punishment than anything he has ever done made him pull out everyrhing to the point of sheer exhaustion (that Barry was clearly no where near and still had plenty in the tank) to JUST pip him at the post.

Yet somehow this is supposed to mean hes now faster than Flash That's right, My personally opinion was same as the screenrant, Flash still is technically the fastest, But when it comes to the world's future(Or other similar events), Superman would win the race

Originally posted by -Pr-
iirc Jonathan Kent being alive in it, takes it out of continuity.
Originally posted by Galan007
Let's squash this...


In mainstream DC, Jonathan and Martha Kent were killed in a car accident when Superman was in High School:
http://i.imgur.com/IuWWEK9m.jpg http://i.imgur.com/jNYJccNm.jpg http://i.imgur.com/7t4qyM2m.jpg


A death that is STILL canon as of "Doomsday Clock":
http://i.imgur.com/JkoUEZEm.jpg http://i.imgur.com/f1mqTbDm.jpg


But as mentioned already: Pa is still alive in "Up In The Sky":
http://i.imgur.com/oC0H0tnm.jpg

...Which means it is a non-canon series. Period, end of story.

IF UitS is canon, then that's one HELL of an oversight... ermm

I thought that Superman outright admitted that at full speed the Flash was superior to him in terms of speed? Do we ignore this?

Originally posted by abhilegend
What a bunch of nonsense. Superman just matched Flash going full tilt in Metal and his own series.


https://s7d2.turboimg.net/t1/36403321_Dark_Nights_-_Metal_2017-_003-024.jpg https://s7d2.turboimg.net/t1/36403323_Dark_Nights_-_Metal_2017-_003-025.jpg

Shown in full detail here.

https://s1.postimg.cc/6dwkw5phi3/image.jpg https://s1.postimg.cc/4wqfuem7mj/image.jpg https://s1.postimg.cc/7nzi2h96jf/image.jpg


LMAO. Show one scene where Wally made Superman a statue. Superman has punched so fast that Wally could only watch and do nothing to prevent it.


https://i.postimg.cc/Yh7gJZbG/image.jpg

Superman is not going to be shown faster than Flash but he isn't going to be shown too slow either. This isn't post Crisis Superman with fixed limits to his powers anymore.

People have discussed that first set of scans with you on multiple occasions. Myself included. Not going to start another discussion.

Flash War was very recent. It showed how monumental the gap between Superman and a Flash is definitive.

Post-Crisis Superman had fixed limits on his powers? Did someone forget to tell Grant Morrison?

Pre crisis needed no cosmic treadmill. Somehow a rainbow with dates would appear.

Flash is faster.

Originally posted by Galan007



IF UitS is canon, then that's one HELL of an oversight... ermm Well, he's talking specifically about the New52 timeline at that part of Doomsday Clock, which has been undone. That said, it still doesnt go here or there about telling us Pa Kent's/Superman's current history, which may or may not change again in the wake of the story.

Flash is faster on foot.
Superman is faster if he flies, and if he's saving the day.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
People have discussed that first set of scans with you on multiple occasions. Myself included. Not going to start another discussion.

Flash War was very recent. It showed how monumental the gap between Superman and a Flash is definitive.


First it was Flash Rebirth and now Flash War as if single showings override dozens of showings over the years.

Originally posted by abhilegend


First it was Flash Rebirth and now Flash War as if single showings override dozens of showings over the years. You do know that flash was playing with superman 99% of the time right? When he wanted to, he left superman in the dust and made him a statue once.

Originally posted by abhilegend


First it was Flash Rebirth and now Flash War as if single showings override dozens of showings over the years. That's what single showings of the now can do. After all Superman is greater than he has ever been. Isn't he? And this single showing, shows Supes faster...

Originally posted by Galan007



IF UitS is canon, then that's one HELL of an oversight... ermm It's a hell of an oversight but these things happen in comics G.

Originally posted by JBL THE GREAT
You do know that flash was playing with superman 99% of the time right? When he wanted to, he left superman in the dust and made him a statue once.
Where did that get confirmed?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Under Williamson, two Flashes running together amp each other.


https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-bo3vLpEFPvM/Ws3m8oxZT5I/AAAAAAAAFS8/1KxXIuZr4XAWSpsbJ3q0V2vDXzw2QO31wCHMYCw/s1600/RCO015.jpg
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-OgRHPDYm4ac/Ws3m9AHNjdI/AAAAAAAAFTI/_fPrlQ7Ov68kmWMsY0IQN3UWgvyvXKU1QCHMYCw/s1600/RCO016.jpg

They didn't outrun him from start, they already had a heavy headstart and that was the main reason he couldn't catch up to them.



That might be a metaphor for family, I'm not sure, but it's irrelevant to Wally West, who's the fastest Flash, especially alone. He beat Zoom all on his own and left Barry waaaay in the dust:
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/The-Flash-2016/Issue-50?id=136950

The same Zoom who an issue ago, easily took out the entire JL before they knew what happened, including Superman. The last time they fought:
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11112/111120432/5648038-4321407496-34278.jpg

Wally needed an amp (Added Jesse Quick's speed to his own but tbh) but he's gotten faster.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
That might be a metaphor for family, I'm not sure, but it's irrelevant to Wally West, who's the fastest Flash, especially alone. He beat Zoom all on his own and left Barry waaaay in the dust:
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/The-Flash-2016/Issue-50?id=136950

The same Zoom who an issue ago, easily took out the entire JL before they knew what happened, including Superman. The last time they fought:
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11112/111120432/5648038-4321407496-34278.jpg

Wally needed an amp (Added Jesse Quick's speed to his own but tbh) but he's gotten faster.

Flash War is one showing. Superman already raced Wally in Rebirth, he wasn't shown as monumentally faster than Superman.

Zoom surprised Superman and Justice League and was amped on two different forces.

Right, where Superman had no idea about their fight. Fast forward a few years, Zoom could barely beat bizarro in a foot race.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman had no idea they were even fighting and Wally was amped on Jay, Bart and Jesse Quick's speed. Later Bizarro matched Zoom in speed and Kal L casually oneshotted Zoom.

https://i.postimg.cc/MvvBqCN9/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/G4DsskcY/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/4KTHvmd0/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/qhJtYS2X/image.jpg



Like it or not but if Superman races Flash tomorrow, it wouldn't be totally onesided in favor of Flash. Its not Hulk vs Thor.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Flash War is one showing. Superman already raced Wally in Rebirth, he wasn't shown as monumentally faster than Superman.

Zoom surprised Superman and Justice League and was amped on two different forces.

Right, where Superman had no idea about their fight. Fast forward a few years, Zoom could barely beat bizarro in a foot race.





Like it or not but if Superman races Flash tomorrow, it wouldn't be totally onesided in favor of Flash. Its not Hulk vs Thor.

It was a friendly race and Wally still won that one, how does it exactly favor Supes?

Wally already dusted Superman, they're no where close in speed

Sorry, broken scan, and I’m on my phone.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
It was a friendly race and Wally still won that one, how does it exactly favor Supes?

Wally already dusted Superman, they're no where close in speed


As if.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
That might be a metaphor for family, I'm not sure

Family, power of friendship, that stuff, yeah.