Owen feat vs Mxy feat

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deft
Feats comparision


Mxy feat (from Cosmic Adventures In The 8th Grade #6):

https://imgur.com/bbZ94yE

vs

Owen feat (from Ultimates 2 #6):

https://imgur.com/xBSAXkU

Which feat is better?

LordGod
Mxy was literally looking at the actual multiverse there. Owen was just looking at a metaphorical representation of the multiverse.

One is a feat. The other isn't.

AlbertoJohnAvil
Mxy was amped there

Senor Cage
Mxy.

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Mxy was amped there

That shouldn't matter if LordGod is correct.

8swords
Originally posted by LordGod
Mxy was literally looking at the actual multiverse there. Owen was just looking at a metaphorical representation of the multiverse.

One is a feat. The other isn't.

metaphorical? i thought it was the actual multiverse?

SquallX

LordGod
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
That shouldn't matter if LordGod is correct. I am.

Mxy was looking at the ACTUAL multiverse there. Not even slightly ambiguous or debatable.

Originally posted by 8swords
metaphorical? i thought it was the actual multiverse? Nope, that myth was put to rest in other threads. it was just a metaphorical representation of a multiverse.

The only one who still tries to pretend otherwise is the sock. But his delusions don't matter.

Sin I AM
Hmmmm.... how was the myth put to rest? The writer if that scene went out of his way to imply Owens power and Galans unease at said power. What proof is shown that it was a metaphor? He looked to be doing things quite literally in that scene. Genuinely curious

AlbertoJohnAvil
Originally posted by LordGod
I am.

Mxy was looking at the ACTUAL multiverse there. Not even slightly ambiguous or debatable.

Nope, that myth was put to rest in other threads. it was just a metaphorical representation of a multiverse.

The only one who still tries to pretend otherwise is the sock. But his delusions don't matter.

Yeah no, That's we call "popular ad hominem"

That's a blatant lie you just made up. Stop following the crowd and use your own thoughts, all you do is play monkey see monkey do.

Prove it was a metaphor Ill wait

AlbertoJohnAvil
@Squad

Deft GAVE you the comic right above so you can see the context.

https://i.postimg.cc/NK5Jfqfj/lso.jpg

Blatantly stated, this isn't pre school where you can keep asking to be spoonfed all the time. Read the comic people provide you with so you can see for yourself

Stoic
We need proof of this metaphor, or else the claim should be ignored as opinion.

NemeBro
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Yeah no, That's we call "popular ad hominem"

That's a blatant lie you just made up. Stop following the crowd and use your own thoughts, all you do is play monkey see monkey do.

Prove it was a metaphor Ill wait How popular would you say his ad hominem, or "argumentum ad hominem" if you'd prefer is, iyo?

SquallX

AlbertoJohnAvil
the point is the comparison with Mxy is completely below to what Owen did there, he was amped. I'm talking about that COMPARISON and only comparison. I don't care how many outliers Mxy did

He's been defeated by less

xJLxKing

MrMind
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Hmmmm.... how was the myth put to rest? The writer if that scene went out of his way to imply Owens power and Galans unease at said power. What proof is shown that it was a metaphor? He looked to be doing things quite literally in that scene. Genuinely curious

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=661843&pagenumber=3

it's been argued way too many times and this is just one of the thread at this point no one has the energy to repeat themselves
it's better if you look for those threads rather than just asking for handout

AlbertoJohnAvil
@jl

The feat Mxy did here was him being amped, WHICH IS PART of the discussion

I'm not sure how's that comparable

The thread isn't "Mxy vs Molecule Man"

It's "which comparison is better", and Molecule Man's is better because he wasn't amped when he did that

READ

AlbertoJohnAvil
Mxy did a one time feat. It never happened again, and it wasn't meant to be taken seriously, it was comedic, the writer blatantly said this. It's also not consistent with his general portrayal. Hence outlier

He gets beaten by less. I go by the average, I don't go by one time big feats, by that logic Spidey is planetary since he beat Firelord that one time

Wonder Man
Beyonder was so powerful that he didn't need a body.
Owen haveing seen it attained the power of his own.
Able to transcreate like Molecule Man is large enough to not see something and create it. Another words Owen doesn't have to know.

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
@jl

The feat Mxy did here was him being amped, WHICH IS PART of the discussion

I'm not sure how's that comparable

The thread isn't "Mxy vs Molecule Man"

It's "which comparison is better", and Molecule Man's is better because he wasn't amped when he did that

READ

It also depends on if Owen's feat was a representation only.

What's more impressive, a roided up amped Tyson beating Evander Holyfield, or me beating him in a videogame?

AlbertoJohnAvil
No..it actually wasn't... I already addressed abhi on that

xJLxKing

AlbertoJohnAvil
Molecule Man put the entire multiverse in a shoebox...

A DAMN SHOEBOX.

That's like Lucifer Morningstar levels, or arguably above

Diesldude
Mxy's feat is better.

SquallX

Sin I AM
Originally posted by MrMind
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=661843&pagenumber=3

it's been argued way too many times and this is just one of the thread at this point no one has the energy to repeat themselves
it's better if you look for those threads rather than just asking for handout

Oh...so no proof? Got it

abhilegend
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
No..it actually wasn't... I already addressed abhi on that
Where did you do that?

MrMind
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Oh...so no proof? Got it

You are full cringe.

LordGod
God Alberto is an idiot.


Anyway, the QUESTION here is which FEAT is better. At the very least the Owen scene is AMBIGUOUS. That entire comic was one giant metaphor, so why in the hell would we take the multiverse in a box thing literally, when the context of the issue heavily suggests the opposite?

On the other hand, the Mxy scene is NOT ambiguous. That WAS the ACTUAL multiverse. Unquestionably.

Again- one of those showings is an ACTUAL feat. The other more than likely isn't. Hence Mxy's FEAT is better because we know for sure that it's the REAL multiverse.

-K-M-

DarkSaint85

-K-M-
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Probably wrong, tbh thumb up

https://media0.giphy.com/media/2xPS5yG3UZYDTLaJFz/giphy.gif

Galan007
Yeah...

In hindsight, I definitely think that the "multiverse in a box" scene was intended to be a primarily metaphorical, visual representation of the Marvel multiverse -- not an actual multiverse that Owen randomly put in a shoebox.

Owen was simplifying Schrodinger's thought experiment to Lifebringer, which revolves around the principal of quantum possibilities -- hence his initial 'cat in the box' analogy(look it up, it's an actual thing.)

That being said, the takeaway of the thought experiment is ultimately: "Whatever you may think you know, you don't really know what's in the box until you open it up and look inside" -- and that's what Owen was conveying to Lifebringer there with his visual representation of the multiverse. It was his way of explaining that much of what used to be in the previous creation, still was.

I mean, the whole issue was full of metaphors. It also started and ended with the myth of Sisyphus and the impossible task, for example:
https://i.imgur.com/W3e6B4U.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/kvjrnrj.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/8QA8K1I.jpg


With that in mind, Owen begins explaining the human thought experiment to Lifebringer, using Schrodinger's 'cat in a box' paradox as an analogy. However, he then shifts their discussion to the current state of the multiverse using the same basic analogy: that everything isn't necessarily as it seems -- there could be anything inside the box('box' being a metaphor for the new/unsolidified Marvel multiverse that was in a state of flux at the time.)

And like I said above: the entire scene was packed with metaphors. That was Owen's way of explaining the current state of the multiverse to Lifebringer, without being overly explicit:
http://i.imgur.com/5ljWwC2m.jpg http://i.imgur.com/ZGx63Ohm.jpg http://i.imgur.com/hE4bfyam.jpg http://i.imgur.com/kvjrnrjm.jpg


The 'multiverse in a box' seemed to have been intended as a purely visual aid that Owen used to help Lifebringer see the bigger picture. All context considered, we are really never led to believe that he placed an actual/full-scale multiverse inside a shoebox for the lulz, just to randomly show it off like that... Imo, it's akin to the visual representation of a universe that Franklin whipped-up for Galactus here:

http://i.imgur.com/Df0EWjPm.jpg http://i.imgur.com/6U3QNjIm.jpg

________________


As for Owen himself: he was definitely intended to be quite powerful under Ewing -- above Lifebringer, for sure... But also keep in mind that Marvel's entire cosmology was brand new(and extremely unstable) during The Ultimates, and as a result, things were able to happen that wouldn't normally be possible in a fully 'solidified' cosmos. This fact was repeatedly stated/shown on panel:
https://i.imgur.com/SXTFvjw.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/9H5MVsE.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/z41t60e.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/7XIyxY7.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/BWEhZI1.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/mWgYW1S.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/utUBIOp.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/WILIfsh.jpg

So it's really hard to accurately gauge *any* power-levels from that series... Especially where the cosmic beings are concerned.

After all, Owen certainly didn't appear to be kept at those same, upper-echelon levels in his more recent appearances. That's for sure.

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by Galan007
Yeah...

In hindsight, I definitely think that the "multiverse in a box" scene was intended to be a primarily metaphorical, visual representation of the Marvel multiverse -- not an actual multiverse that Owen randomly put in a shoebox.

Owen was simplifying Schrodinger's Thought Experiment to Lifebringer, which revolves around the principal of quantum possibilities -- hence his initial 'cat in the box' analogy(look it up, it's an actual thing.)

However, the takeaway of the thought experiment is ultimately: "Whatever you may think you know, you don't really know what's in the box until you open it up and look inside" -- and that's what Owen was conveying to Lifebringer there with his visual representation of the multiverse. It was his way of explaining that much of what used to be in the previous creation, still was.

Tbh, the whole issue was full of metaphors. It also started and ended with the myth of Sisyphus and the impossible task, for example.


As mentioned: Owen begins explaining the human thought experiment to Lifebringer, using Schrodinger's 'cat in a box' paradox as an analogy. However, he then shifts their discussion to the current state of the multiverse using the same basic analogy: that everything isn't necessarily as it seems -- there could be anything inside the box('box' being a metaphor for the unsolidified Marvel multiverse that was in a state of flux at the time.)

And like I said above, the entire scene was packed with different metaphors and whatnot... Which was Owen's way of explaining the current state of the multiverse to Lifebringer, without being overly explicit:
https://s7d5.turboimg.net/t1/41379704_Ultimates_2015-_006-016.jpg https://s7d5.turboimg.net/t1/41379705_Ultimates_2015-_006-017.jpg https://s7d5.turboimg.net/t1/41379706_Ultimates_2015-_006-018.jpg https://s7d5.turboimg.net/t1/41379707_Ultimates_2015-_006-019.jpg


The 'multiverse in a box' thing was purely a visual aid that Owen used to help Lifebringer see the bigger picture. All context considered, we are really never led to believe that he placed an actual/full-scale multiverse inside a shoebox for the lulz, just to randomly show it off like that... Imo, it's akin to the visual representation of a universe that Franklin whipped-up for Galactus here:

http://i.imgur.com/Df0EWjPm.jpg http://i.imgur.com/6U3QNjIm.jpg

________________


As for Owen himself: he was definitely intended to be quite powerful under Ewing -- vastly above Lifebringer, for sure... But also keep in mind that the entire cosmic hierarchy was in a state of flux at the time, and things were able to happen then that wouldn't normally be possible in a 'solidified' cosmology(like Order&Chaos killing LT, for example.) So it's really hard to accurately gauge power-levels from that particular series, imo.

Owen certainly didn't appear to be kept at those same upper-echelon levels in his most recent appearances, though... That's for damn sure.

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Galan007
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Wonder Man
Well I missed a lot in marvel but I know that Beyonder/Owen/Mephisto can alter the characteristics of anything. I believe that is what Owen was explaining to Galactus.

LordGod
Originally posted by MrMind
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=661843&pagenumber=3

it's been argued way too many times and this is just one of the thread at this point no one has the energy to repeat themselves
it's better if you look for those threads rather than just asking for handout Originally posted by Galan007
Yeah...

In hindsight, I definitely think that the "multiverse in a box" scene was intended to be a primarily metaphorical, visual representation of the Marvel multiverse -- not an actual multiverse that Owen randomly put in a shoebox.

Owen was simplifying Schrodinger's thought experiment to Lifebringer, which revolves around the principal of quantum possibilities -- hence his initial 'cat in the box' analogy(look it up, it's an actual thing.)

That being said, the takeaway of the thought experiment is ultimately: "Whatever you may think you know, you don't really know what's in the box until you open it up and look inside" -- and that's what Owen was conveying to Lifebringer there with his visual representation of the multiverse. It was his way of explaining that much of what used to be in the previous creation, still was.

I mean, the whole issue was full of metaphors. It also started and ended with the myth of Sisyphus and the impossible task, for example:
https://i.imgur.com/W3e6B4U.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/kvjrnrj.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/8QA8K1I.jpg


With that in mind, Owen begins explaining the human thought experiment to Lifebringer, using Schrodinger's 'cat in a box' paradox as an analogy. However, he then shifts their discussion to the current state of the multiverse using the same basic analogy: that everything isn't necessarily as it seems -- there could be anything inside the box('box' being a metaphor for the new/unsolidified Marvel multiverse that was in a state of flux at the time.)

And like I said above: the entire scene was packed with metaphors. That was Owen's way of explaining the current state of the multiverse to Lifebringer, without being overly explicit:
http://i.imgur.com/5ljWwC2m.jpg http://i.imgur.com/ZGx63Ohm.jpg http://i.imgur.com/hE4bfyam.jpg http://i.imgur.com/kvjrnrjm.jpg


The 'multiverse in a box' seemed to have been intended as a purely visual aid that Owen used to help Lifebringer see the bigger picture. All context considered, we are really never led to believe that he placed an actual/full-scale multiverse inside a shoebox for the lulz, just to randomly show it off like that... Imo, it's akin to the visual representation of a universe that Franklin whipped-up for Galactus here:

http://i.imgur.com/Df0EWjPm.jpg http://i.imgur.com/6U3QNjIm.jpg

________________


As for Owen himself: he was definitely intended to be quite powerful under Ewing -- above Lifebringer, for sure... But also keep in mind that Marvel's entire cosmology was brand new(and extremely unstable) during The Ultimates, and as a result, things were able to happen that wouldn't normally be possible in a fully 'solidified' cosmos. This fact was repeatedly stated/shown on panel:
https://i.imgur.com/SXTFvjw.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/9H5MVsE.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/z41t60e.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/7XIyxY7.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/BWEhZI1.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/mWgYW1S.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/utUBIOp.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/WILIfsh.jpg

So it's really hard to accurately gauge *any* power-levels from that series... Especially where the cosmic beings are concerned.

After all, Owen certainly didn't appear to be kept at those same, upper-echelon levels in his more recent appearances. That's for sure. Excellent stuff thumb up

Need to bookmark this stuff for future use because you KNOW the same debate is gonna pop up again. :rolleyesL

Wonder Man
Owen basicly told everyone to trust life.

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