Originally posted by MrMind
it's been argued way too many times and this is just one of the thread at this point no one has the energy to repeat themselves
it's better if you look for those threads rather than just asking for handout Originally posted by Galan007
In hindsight, I definitely think that the "multiverse in a box" scene was intended to be a primarily metaphorical, visual representation of the Marvel multiverse -- not an actual multiverse that Owen randomly put in a shoebox.
Owen was simplifying Schrodinger's thought experiment to Lifebringer, which revolves around the principal of quantum possibilities -- hence his initial 'cat in the box' analogy(look it up, it's an actual thing.)
That being said, the takeaway of the thought experiment is ultimately: "Whatever you may think you know, you don't really know what's in the box until you open it up and look inside" -- and that's what Owen was conveying to Lifebringer there with his visual representation of the multiverse. It was his way of explaining that much of what used to be in the previous creation, still was.
I mean, the whole issue was full of metaphors. It also started and ended with the myth of Sisyphus and the impossible task, for example:
With that in mind, Owen begins explaining the human thought experiment to Lifebringer, using Schrodinger's 'cat in a box' paradox as an analogy. However, he then shifts their discussion to the current state of the multiverse using the same basic analogy: that everything isn't necessarily as it seems -- there could be anything inside the box('box' being a metaphor for the new/unsolidified Marvel multiverse that was in a state of flux at the time.)
And like I said above: the entire scene was packed with metaphors. That was Owen's way of explaining the current state of the multiverse to Lifebringer, without being overly explicit:
http://i.imgur.com/5ljWwC2m.jpg http://i.imgur.com/ZGx63Ohm.jpg http://i.imgur.com/hE4bfyam.jpg http://i.imgur.com/kvjrnrjm.jpg
The 'multiverse in a box' seemed to have been intended as a purely visual aid that Owen used to help Lifebringer see the bigger picture. All context considered, we are really never led to believe that he placed an actual/full-scale multiverse inside a shoebox for the lulz, just to randomly show it off like that... Imo, it's akin to the visual representation of a universe that Franklin whipped-up for Galactus here:
As for Owen himself: he was definitely intended to be quite powerful under Ewing -- above Lifebringer, for sure... But also keep in mind that Marvel's entire cosmology was brand new(and extremely unstable) during The Ultimates, and as a result, things were able to happen that wouldn't normally be possible in a fully 'solidified' cosmos. This fact was repeatedly stated/shown on panel:
So it's really hard to accurately gauge *any* power-levels from that series... Especially where the cosmic beings are concerned.
After all, Owen certainly didn't appear to be kept at those same, upper-echelon levels in his more recent appearances. That's for sure. Excellent stuff
Need to bookmark this stuff for future use because you KNOW the same debate is gonna pop up again. :rolleyesL