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Who wins?

Doomsday stomps.

Originally posted by BrolyBlack
Who wins? You didn't specify which incarnation of Hulk.

Hulk wins

Originally posted by carver9
Hulk wins

How?

Doomsday stomps.


And isn't it amazing that like 25 years later, there are STILL barely any characters inside the cosmic tier who can defeat HPDD. Jurgens made him wickedly overpowered lol

Originally posted by BrolyBlack
How?

By punching him to death or outright absorbing the solar energy from his body. Choose.

How is he punching him to death?

This version of DD stomps any version of Hulk

Originally posted by BrolyBlack
How is he punching him to death? Good question

Originally posted by MrMind
This version of DD stomps any version of Hulk 👍

Originally posted by BrolyBlack
How is he punching him to death?

You do know Superman punches made blood come out of his mouth, right. That's the way he will punch him to death.

Never knew I read that that Hulk would be able to drain HP doomsday of his solar store energy...

Originally posted by carver9
You do know Superman punches made blood come out of his mouth, right. That's the way he will punch him to death.

Superman is stronger than the Hulk so that makes complete sense

Originally posted by BrolyBlack
Superman is stronger than the Hulk so that makes complete sense 👍

Originally posted by BrolyBlack
Superman is stronger than the Hulk so that makes complete sense

No one is stronger than Hulk. Sorry.

Originally posted by carver9
You do know Superman punches made blood come out of his mouth, right. That's the way he will punch him to death.

And Thing.....well, we know how that went.

Originally posted by carver9
No one is stronger than Hulk. Sorry.

Many people are stronger than the Hulk.

Originally posted by carver9
You do know Superman punches made blood come out of his mouth, right. That's the way he will punch him to death. Scans of Superman making H/P Doomsday bleed?

I honestly cant find the scan but I know it exist. I can go back and reread the book but...

.....but that never helped Carver.

Originally posted by carver9
I honestly cant find the scan but I know it exist. I can go back and reread the book but... I've read the H/P arc quite a few times over the years and don't remember MB Superman's punches ever making DD bleed... mmm

Sure you aren't thinking of this punch from DoS:
https://i.imgur.com/DPIrLND.jpg

If so, that is a much different/weaker version of Doomsday than the one specified in this thread.

Hulk eats him.

He shits out some nice white bones, that are later used for decorating Wayne's mansion.

Originally posted by Galan007
I've read the H/P arc quite a few times over the years and don't remember MB Superman's punches ever making DD bleed... mmm

Sure you aren't thinking of this punch from DoS:
https://i.imgur.com/DPIrLND.jpg

If so, that is a much different/weaker version of Doomsday than the one specified in this thread.

Not that one. I'll find it. There are so many versions of DD that I might be getting them mixed up. I think it's the fight where they were fighting on the moon.

Originally posted by carver9
Not that one. I'll find it. There are so many versions of DD that I might be getting them mixed up. I think it's the fight where they were fighting on the moon.

This version?

https://imgur.com/mCUWboD

That's is the New Krypton version, not H/P.

Originally posted by deft
This version?

https://imgur.com/mCUWboD

That's is the New Krypton version, not H/P.

Nope, not that one. I think this is the one where Superman went blitzing to the moon after Doomsday wrecked the JLA. Iirc, he was shirtless.

When Brainiac had control of him you mean?

Originally posted by carver9
Nope, not that one. I think this is the one where Superman went blitzing to the moon after Doomsday wrecked the JLA. Iirc, he was shirtless.

I see, this version, then?

https://imgur.com/DNzby3e

Doomsday War version, btw.

^ That is still, technically, H/P DD.

Either way, I'm not sure why carver thinks an all-out Superman drawing a small amount of blood from Doomsday's mouth equates to Hulk "punching him to death"..?

I'm assuming it goes back to these guys constantly wanting to argue that Hulk > Superman, though, so I'm probably not going to entertain the discussion beyond this.

Originally posted by deft
I see, this version, then?

https://imgur.com/DNzby3e

Doomsday War version, btw. I think you found what Carv was alluding to, but his point is still invalid since this isn't the Hunter Prey version of DD.

Originally posted by Galan007
^ That is still, technically, H/P DD.

Either way, I'm not sure why carver thinks an all-out Superman drawing a small amount of blood from Doomsday's mouth equates to Hulk "punching him to death"..?

I'm assuming it goes back to these guys constantly wanting to argue that Hulk > Superman, though, so I'm probably not going to entertain the discussion beyond this.

So you remember the scene I'm talking about? I just took that scene as proof he isnt above physical damage. Maybe later on but then, no.

Is the same character, but his powerset is different, isn't?

Originally posted by deft
I see, this version, then?

https://imgur.com/DNzby3e

Doomsday War version, btw.

Yep, that one

Originally posted by deft
Is the same character, but his powerset is different, isn't?

No. It's the same Doomsday. I just couldnt find the scan and I didnt feel like looking up the issue.

Originally posted by deft
Is the same character, but his powerset is different, isn't? Same character; same powerset.

H/P Doomsday = DD Wars Doomsday = OWAW Doomsday.

Originally posted by Galan007
Same character; same powerset.

H/P Doomsday = DD Wars Doomsday = OWAW Doomsday. Including the same powerset?

It is literally the same character across those 3 arcs.

I know that he is the same character Galen, but is he just as powerful here bleeding as he was in the HP arc?

Originally posted by carver9
No. It's the same Doomsday. I just couldnt find the scan and I didnt feel like looking up the issue.

You must be out of your mind

Originally posted by BrolyBlack
You must be out of your mind

... why you ask that?

Originally posted by lawest9
I know that he is the same character Galen, but is he just as powerful here bleeding as he was in the HP arc?

Same character means that the power level is the same.

Originally posted by carver9
Same character means that the power level is the same. Alright...........

Doomsday destroys Hulk.

Doomsday, And I don't know why Carver thinks punching someone mouth bleed equates to could punch someone to death

I didnt even see that this was WBH which makes things even worse. Hulk grabs him with his FAR superior strength and folds him up into a square. This is a one sided fight. Hulk DESTROYS HIM.

Before Superman was amped, he was a mid-tier and canonically weaker than regular Superman. So we have no idea how powerful Superman with the mother box is except that he lost to HP Doomsday, who has zero planet busting feats
Superman alone beat DD Rex, who has all stats and powers of HP DD, but also gained consciousness.
Superman fought Braniac for at least an hour and Braniac is still totally unharmed after all of his hits, then he gets hit by a car (that he saw coming mind you) and is seriously hurt by it and unable to push it off himself.
The only "amp" Superman had was:
* Some new gear thanks to mother box
* Armor with large gaps in it and no feats to suggest how useful it was
Superman said that in DoS, he = DD, so if DD is stronger, he will definitely lose. And DD was having issues with putting down Superman.

writer of the story Dan Jurgens claimed that Superman is well above Darkseid in power. We both know it's not true and that it is the other way around. He kinda proves it when that same Doomsday failed to put Superman down, and the best thing he was able to do is break his arm. And that Superman was actually weaker than the strongest unamped version of Post-Crisis Superman, due to the fact that he has yet to receive training from Mongul II to fight against Imperiex and unlock his full power.

Originally posted by Galan007
Same character; same powerset.

H/P Doomsday = DD Wars Doomsday = OWAW Doomsday.

There is also Doomsday Wars or Brainiac Doomsday, who is for some reason considered to be the same version of Doomsday as the one seen in Hunter-Prey, so I might as well bring him up as well. He had like two or three fights against Superman as well and whole it was pretty clear than he is the stronger one out of the two (just like in Hunter-Prey story), he wasn't able to put Clark down during their first two fights. And that means a lot because Clark was concerned about Lana's baby while Doomsday was attacking him.
When he wasn't concerned about the baby however, he was able to blitz Doomsday and even make him bleed with a punch. Not that he was going to beat Doomsday, but I think it was worth mentioning. Brainiac Doomsday also defeated the JLA but again, he has way more showings against Superman. Based on consistent showing he is not a JLA Teambuster. More like Superman+ level character.
Doomsday Wars was also written by Jurgens, who also stated that Superman would give Doomsday a way better fight if he wasn't concerned about Lana's baby, which actually happened at the end of the story and yes, he gave him a good fight. I can see Hunter-Prey Doomsday beating Savage Hulk, but he failed to put Superman down in pretty much every fight he had with him. I don't see him surviving against casual planet buster with planetary durability and one of the most broken healing factors ever. As for Lexs statement Jurgens has stated in an interview the reason superman couldn't beat doomsday in hunter prey (or any of there fights) was because of upbringings. So that really isn't much different than what he wrote in hunter/prey to be honest. Jurgens has even gone on record and said superman and doomsday are roughly equivalent in power.

I need to see this Brainiac showing with the car. Let me see if I can find it.

Lol... I found it.

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111119717/6683015-8611744419-RCO01.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111119717/6683016-4228064042-RCO01.jpg

Originally posted by Proper_
Before Superman was amped, he was a mid-tier and canonically weaker than regular Superman. So we have no idea how powerful Superman with the mother box is except that he lost to HP Doomsday, who has zero planet busting feats
Superman alone beat DD Rex, who has all stats and powers of HP DD, but also gained consciousness.
Superman fought Braniac for at least an hour and Braniac is still totally unharmed after all of his hits, then he gets hit by a car (that he saw coming mind you) and is seriously hurt by it and unable to push it off himself.
The only "amp" Superman had was:
* Some new gear thanks to mother box
* Armor with large gaps in it and no feats to suggest how useful it was
Superman said that in DoS, he = DD, so if DD is stronger, he will definitely lose. And DD was having issues with putting down Superman.

writer of the story Dan Jurgens claimed that Superman is well above Darkseid in power. We both know it's not true and that it is the other way around. He kinda proves it when that same Doomsday failed to put Superman down, and the best thing he was able to do is break his arm. And that Superman was actually weaker than the strongest unamped version of Post-Crisis Superman, due to the fact that he has yet to receive training from Mongul II to fight against Imperiex and unlock his full power.

Again with the same nonsense?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Nonsense.

Quite unironically, none of these Hulks do either except Grey Hulk.

Anyway Superman was far more powerful than Kyle Rayner who actually destroyed two planets and contained a supernova by then.

LMAO, what? That was a clone dummy.

Is this a serious argument?

Educate thyself comicvine poster.



Also the weakest Superman in canon, Byrne Superman was on the level of Thor/Hercules.

https://i.imgur.com/Lok1fzL.jpg

Any other version (DOS) is far above the likes of Thor and Hercules in terms of strength.

Originally posted by Galan007
Section IV: H/P ("Hunter/Prey" Doomsday


It turns out that Superman was substantially amped when he battled H/P Doomsday--before he even acquired a Mother Box...

A few months before the H/P arc began, a depowered Superman encountered Henshaw in 'Superman' v2 #82. As you can see, Henshaw attempted to kill Supes via blasting him with k-nite, but Eradicator jumped in the way of the blast before it directly touched Supes(essentially sacrificing himself), and the bleed-over energies then passed into Superman himself. After this happened, Supes was not only returned to full power, but he felt better than ever:
http://imgur.com/afwas1f
http://imgur.com/rTviBRf
http://imgur.com/sIa6JDf
http://imgur.com/aifJIPm
http://imgur.com/f7Mln3d
http://imgur.com/UAFgRuW
http://imgur.com/nAPpc9q
"I'm rejuvenated in a way I never thought possible! Something tells me I'll be able to handle anything better than ever!"
__________

Soon thereafter(the same month/year the H/P arc began), it would be revealed that Superman had become immensely more powerful. Examples...

"Just tapped him a little... And he flew back like I hit him with my best haymaker!":
http://imgur.com/cyXBzZW

"Even using as little effort as possible, I'm still stronger...faster...and more powerful than ever before!":
http://imgur.com/Us6v8mS
__________

Hamilton explains Superman's amp...

"You're absorbing solar radiation--and other energies--much faster than ever before! This is because you've been irradiated by something vaguely familiar to Kryptonite--call it Kryptonite-X."

Superman: "The last time I was exposed to Kryptonite, it passed through the Eradiactor first... Recharging my powers instantly!"

Hamilton: "A bit of foreshadowing there, I'd say. Bluntly, there's no physical way to expend your energy fast enough. Your powers will keep increasing until your body can't contain them.":
http://imgur.com/Q4ptobr
http://imgur.com/1Sb6SFT
__________

His power increase was ambiguously alluded to during the H/P arc itself...

I'm better than before, too! Stronger.":
http://imgur.com/8cCM1Ii
__________

However, his hugely amplified power during the H/P arc would be flat-out stated years later, in 'The Man of Tomorrow' #9...

"After his recovery, was stronger than ever. Good thing, too--'cause Doomsday had cheated death as well! Even with the extra power, he still needed some gizmo called a 'Mother Box' to help him stand up to Doomsday.":
http://imgur.com/SuRu2cz




In a nutshell: Superman was massively amped when the H/P arc began(to the point that he could use as little effort as possible, and was still more powerful than he was at his standard levels), yet was laughably inferior to H/P Doomsday. He then further amped his powers with a Mother Box, and was still barely able to give DD pause.

That is a huge testament to how f*cking powerful Doomsday was during that arc. FAR more powerful than I'd previously thought, tbh.

This is literally a copy paste of your earlier post.

Originally posted by Proper_
There is also Doomsday Wars or Brainiac Doomsday, who is for some reason considered to be the same version of Doomsday as the one seen in Hunter-Prey, so I might as well bring him up as well. He had like two or three fights against Superman as well and whole it was pretty clear than he is the stronger one out of the two (just like in Hunter-Prey story), he wasn't able to put Clark down during their first two fights. And that means a lot because Clark was concerned about Lana's baby while Doomsday was attacking him.
When he wasn't concerned about the baby however, he was able to blitz Doomsday and even make him bleed with a punch. Not that he was going to beat Doomsday, but I think it was worth mentioning. Brainiac Doomsday also defeated the JLA but again, he has way more showings against Superman. Based on consistent showing he is not a JLA Teambuster. More like Superman+ level character.
Doomsday Wars was also written by Jurgens, who also stated that Superman would give Doomsday a way better fight if he wasn't concerned about Lana's baby, which actually happened at the end of the story and yes, he gave him a good fight. I can see Hunter-Prey Doomsday beating Savage Hulk, but he failed to put Superman down in pretty much every fight he had with him. I don't see him surviving against casual planet buster with planetary durability and one of the most broken healing factors ever. As for Lexs statement Jurgens has stated in an interview the reason superman couldn't beat doomsday in hunter prey (or any of there fights) was because of upbringings. So that really isn't much different than what he wrote in hunter/prey to be honest. Jurgens has even gone on record and said superman and doomsday are roughly equivalent in power.

This is a whole bunch of nonsense. Doomsday beats JLA but it's not a teambuster because Superman!!!

This is amusing to say the least.

Originally posted by carver9
Lol... I found it.

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111119717/6683015-8611744419-RCO01.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111119717/6683016-4228064042-RCO01.jpg
What about it carter? That Brainiac was literally a human being without his shields.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Again with the same nonsense?





This is literally a copy paste of your earlier post. Brilliant breakdown abhi

Originally posted by carver9
I didnt even see that this was WBH which makes things even worse. Hulk grabs him with his FAR superior strength and folds him up into a square. This is a one sided fight. Hulk DESTROYS HIM.

Oh yea?

Originally posted by abhilegend
What about it carter? That Brainiac was literally a human being without his shields.

You do know current Superman fought DOS Doomsday again with the aid of Wonder Woman and didnt do so well?. The same Doomsday that Byrne Superman defeated. Why do you keep mentioning his comparison between Thor, Hercules and Superman? It's not helping your argument.

Originally posted by BrolyBlack
Oh yea? Yea crazy isn't it? if anything it'd be the other way around.

Yet still not a single planet busting or planet level feat.
IIRC, Supes fought that HP DD a year or more BEFORE he got perm amped from training w/ Mongul.
Yeah HP series takes place way before Superman v2 #151-153

It's blatantly obvious that the Superman he fought in Doomsday Wars was an embarrassing low mid tier, but for some reason people think it's okay to act as if they can scale Doomsday off of Post-Crisis Supes' consistent power level. Not just Superman either, the same goes for the rest of the characters he fights, like there's people bringing up Cyborg Superman in this thread, but the Cyborg Supes that the Doomsday Clone defeated was knocked over by Nightwing, effortlessly had his core ripped out by Superman, and most importantly straight up split the clone in half with a bullrush first before the clone had his plot device adaption powers activate and became a Cyborg-Doomsday. It's absurd but people clearly have no intentions of stopping for whatever reason.

DOS Doomsday was beaten to death, Doomsday Rex got KOed and that one version of DD got beat down by Clark and Kal L. Three different times the character of Doomsday has been beaten to death.

Did JBL make another account?

WBH stomps.

The DC stroking is hard around here huh?

Two accounts.

Originally posted by Proper_
Yet still not a single planet busting or planet level feat.
IIRC, Supes fought that HP DD a year or more BEFORE he got perm amped from training w/ Mongul.
Yeah HP series takes place way before Superman v2 #151-153

It's blatantly obvious that the Superman he fought in Doomsday Wars was an embarrassing low mid tier, but for some reason people think it's okay to act as if they can scale Doomsday off of Post-Crisis Supes' consistent power level. Not just Superman either, the same goes for the rest of the characters he fights, like there's people bringing up Cyborg Superman in this thread, but the Cyborg Supes that the Doomsday Clone defeated was knocked over by Nightwing, effortlessly had his core ripped out by Superman, and most importantly straight up split the clone in half with a bullrush first before the clone had his plot device adaption powers activate and became a Cyborg-Doomsday. It's absurd but people clearly have no intentions of stopping for whatever reason.

And the Hulk has been KOd by the Thing, by a snake, etc.....

Edit.

Originally posted by carver9
You do know current Superman fought DOS Doomsday again with the aid of Wonder Woman and didnt do so well?. The same Doomsday that Byrne Superman defeated. Why do you keep mentioning his comparison between Thor, Hercules and Superman? It's not helping your argument. You do know that Superman isn't as powerful as current Superman due to he hasn't merged with his otherself during this period, And you do know that doomsday not exactly is the same doomsday who killed superman in DOS, Since he already evolved intelligence(He used strategy against superman) and faster and more ruthless than before
https://ibb.co/SsFzfRT
https://ibb.co/N3PR0T4

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
You do know that Superman isn't as powerful as current Superman due to he hasn't merged with his otherself during this period, And you do know that doomsday not exactly is the same doomsday who killed superman in DOS, Since he already evolved intelligence(He used strategy against superman) and faster and more ruthless than before
https://ibb.co/SsFzfRT
https://ibb.co/N3PR0T4

If Superman have become MUCH more powerful, he should have been able to outright crush this version of Doomsday with ease. No matter how Savage he is. Also, Superman said he SEEMS more powerful, not that he IS more powerful. Huge difference.

Originally posted by carver9
If Superman have become MUCH more powerful, he should have been able to outright crush this version of Doomsday with ease. No matter how Savage he is. Also, Superman said he SEEMS more powerful, not that he IS more powerful. Huge difference. Because THAT superman didn't merge with his other self yet, It happened after Superman Reborn, IOW in this arc hes weaker compared to current Superman.
The context outright said this Doomsday is more powerful than before, Hell, He even used strategy to against Superman.
Besides, Superman fought Doomsday more than once and he certainly know how powerful Doomsday was. From his perspective he thinking Doomsday was faster than before. So yes, Doomsday should be faster than before

Originally posted by carver9
If Superman have become MUCH more powerful, he should have been able to outright crush this version of Doomsday with ease. No matter how Savage he is. Also, Superman said he SEEMS more powerful, not that he IS more powerful. Huge difference.

We see how it went with Damage.

Damage punched him harder than DoS Doomsday....but he wasn't phucked up as badly as with DD.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Because THAT superman didn't merge with his other self yet, It happened after Superman Reborn, IOW in this arc hes weaker compared to current Superman.
The context outright said this Doomsday is more powerful than before, Hell, He even used strategy to against Superman.
Besides, Superman fought Doomsday more than once and he certainly know how powerful Doomsday was. From his perspective he thinking Doomsday was faster than before. So yes, Doomsday should be faster than before

Ok, I worded that wrong, he didnt say powerful, he said he seem FASTER.

His fight against Damage was MUCH shorter than this. You can not compare the two.

Originally posted by carver9
Ok, I worded that wrong, he didnt say powerful, he said he seem FASTER. So that didn't make Doomsday more powerful iyo?

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
So that didn't make Doomsday more powerful iyo?

If the word SEEM wasnt there, then yes, he wouldve been more powerful.

Originally posted by carver9
His fight against Damage was MUCH shorter than this. You can not compare the two.

Superman SPECIFICALLY compared it to the time he was killed. I'm not the one doing comparisons.

Originally posted by carver9
If the word SEEM wasnt there, then yes, he wouldve been more powerful. And I already explained to you, Superman fought Doomsday more than once, Then in this arc, From HIS perspective he thinking Doomsday was faster. So yes, Doomsday should be faster than before, Unless you want to say Superman just gives Doomsday hyperbole for no reason
Besides, This version showed intelligence by using strategy against superman. It even surprised Supes.
So all in all, This version Doomsday never is the same Doomsday in DOS

@Darksaint...

And that's a terrible comparison since DOS Doomsday is the weakest version of Doomsday.

Originally posted by carver9
@Darksaint...

And that's a terrible comparison since DOS Doomsday is the weakest version of Doomsday.

But you're missing the point.

Superman is now able to take punches that are harder than the ones that killed him. I am NOT making the comparison. DC are.

Is DoS the weakest Doomsday? Sure, why not. He still was able to physically beat DC's top herald to death with his bare hands.

That herald can now take that same beating. Can even take punches HARDER than the ones in that beating.

Again, not me saying this

Originally posted by Proper_
Yet still not a single planet busting or planet level feat.
IIRC, Supes fought that HP DD a year or more BEFORE he got perm amped from training w/ Mongul.
Yeah HP series takes place way before Superman v2 #151-153

It's blatantly obvious that the Superman he fought in Doomsday Wars was an embarrassing low mid tier, but for some reason people think it's okay to act as if they can scale Doomsday off of Post-Crisis Supes' consistent power level. Not just Superman either, the same goes for the rest of the characters he fights, like there's people bringing up Cyborg Superman in this thread, but the Cyborg Supes that the Doomsday Clone defeated was knocked over by Nightwing, effortlessly had his core ripped out by Superman, and most importantly straight up split the clone in half with a bullrush first before the clone had his plot device adaption powers activate and became a Cyborg-Doomsday. It's absurd but people clearly have no intentions of stopping for whatever reason.

Define "low mid tier" please. Because at the time of Doomsday Wars, Superman was comfortably in the mid to high herald range.

Originally posted by carver9
@Darksaint...

And that's a terrible comparison since DOS Doomsday is the weakest version of Doomsday.

No, he isn't.

Oh yeah there's Doomsday Rex and the one the Kryps gangbanged.

My point still stands though, Carv. See bottom of the previous page.

@Darksaint...

And he didnt handle those punches well from Damage either. The first punch had him on the ground questioning damage strength. The second punch knocked him through a small mountain drawing blood. The 3rd hit knocked the wind out of him and the arm lock dropped him to his knees. If you call that handling good then I dont know what to tell you. Doomsday and Superman fight was a drawn out fight. Completely different.

Originally posted by carver9
You do know current Superman fought DOS Doomsday again with the aid of Wonder Woman and didnt do so well?. The same Doomsday that Byrne Superman defeated. Why do you keep mentioning his comparison between Thor, Hercules and Superman? It's not helping your argument.
Wut? Where did you get that it was DOS Doomsday?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Wut? Where did you get that it was DOS Doomsday?

He was plucked from that timeline AND he still had on his green suit.

Originally posted by Proper_
Yet still not a single planet busting or planet level feat.
IIRC, Supes fought that HP DD a year or more BEFORE he got perm amped from training w/ Mongul.

There was no perm amp, Superman just shed his mental blocks for one arc. And Kyle Rayner did have two planet destroying whom Doomsday curbstomped.

And?

What nonsense is this? Superman was a low mid tier? Then what about others, Orion, Kyle Rayner, Martian Manhunter, Wonder Woman? What about the Guardians of the universe who struggled to beat pre DOS Doomsday with a GL ring?

This ain't comicvine boy.

Originally posted by carver9
He was plucked from that timeline AND he still had on his green suit.
Where did you get that he was plucked from timeline around DOS?

You're basically asking me to go back and read that atrocious comic for you and provide scans?

Originally posted by carver9
@Darksaint...

And he didnt handle those punches well from Damage either. The first punch had him on the ground questioning damage strength. The second punch knocked him through a small mountain drawing blood. The 3rd hit knocked the wind out of him and the arm lock dropped him to his knees. If you call that handling good then I dont know what to tell you. Doomsday and Superman fight was a drawn out fight. Completely different.

World of difference between being dropped to your knees and....being physically beaten to death by someone with their bare hands..

Current Superman was being punched HARDER than when he was killed.

And all it did was what you typed. Yeah he handled that amazingly in comparison

Agreed.

I've been corrected..it wasn't current Supes that faced Damage. It was when he was split.....

So yeah. Whichever way you want to split it, Supes has gotten more powerful

Originally posted by carver9
@Darksaint...

And that's a terrible comparison since DOS Doomsday is the weakest version of Doomsday.

Wrong once more.

Superman Wars DD should be the weakest, since he was no longer bloodlusted. He even turned into a good guy to preserve the legacy of Superman by fighting against Gog when he believed that Gog killed Superman.

The second weakest would be Doomsday Rex. For after merging with Braniac, he gained intelligence. Superman outright told Rex that Rex was afraid because he can now feel pain, and that intelligence made him weak to be hurt.

Then the next weakest is DOS.

Followed by H/P.

Originally posted by SquallX
Wrong once more.

Superman Wars DD should be the weakest, since he was no longer bloodlusted. He even turned into a good guy to preserve the legacy of Superman by fighting against Gog when he believed that Gog killed Superman.

The second weakest would be Doomsday Rex. For after merging with Braniac, he gained intelligence. Superman outright told Rex that Rex was afraid because he can now feel pain, and that intelligence made him weak to be hurt.

Then the next weakest is DOS.

Followed by H/P.

Lol... DOS Doomsday is by far the weakest. Sorry

Originally posted by carver9
You're basically asking me to go back and read that atrocious comic for you and provide scans?
Sure, you made the claim.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I've been corrected..it wasn't current Supes that faced Damage. It was when he was split.....

So yeah. Whichever way you want to split it, Supes has gotten more powerful

Wasn't Action Comics 976 releases March 22, 2017?

https://www.dccomics.com/comics/action-comics-2016/action-comics-976

And Damage #11 released on November 21, 2018?

https://www.dccomics.com/comics/damage-2017/damage-11

Or am I missing something?

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Wasn't Action Comics 976 releases March 22, 2017?

https://www.dccomics.com/comics/action-comics-2016/action-comics-976

And Damage #11 released on November 21, 2018?

https://www.dccomics.com/comics/damage-2017/damage-11

Or am I missing something?

Yes, my inability to read lol.

Current Superman is INDEED more powerful than DoS Superman, which was my original point lol.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But you're missing the point.

Superman is now able to take punches that are harder than the ones that killed him. I am NOT making the comparison. DC are.

Is DoS the weakest Doomsday? Sure, why not. He still was able to physically beat DC's top herald to death with his bare hands.

That herald can now take that same beating. Can even take punches HARDER than the ones in that beating.

Again, not me saying this
He's been doing that since right after DOS though. The Warrior(Guy) was specifically noted by Supes as hitting harder than DD too. Don't get me wrong because I'm in no way suggesting that Supes's power hasn't increased over the years(I fully support the notion that he has), I'm just saying that Supes handling harder punches than he received when he "died" is nothing new.

Originally posted by darthgoober
He's been doing that since right after DOS though. The Warrior(Guy) was specifically noted by Supes as hitting harder than DD too. Don't get me wrong because I'm in no way suggesting that Supes's power hasn't increased over the years(I fully support the notion that he has), I'm just saying that Supes handling harder punches than he received when he "died" is nothing new.

thus proving my point

My point isn't that it's anything new. I just used Damage as it was the most recent example and thus, fresh in people's minds, and because Carver is very familiar with Damage, being a great fan.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
And the Hulk has been KOd by the Thing, by a snake, etc.....

Completely different incarnations. Not relevant to this thread at all

Originally posted by Proper_
DOS Doomsday was beaten to death, Doomsday Rex got KOed and that one version of DD got beat down by Clark and Kal L. Three different times the character of Doomsday has been beaten to death.

Completely different incarnations. Not relevant to this thread at all

Very relevant to this thread. Doomsday was beaten to death by far less than WB Hulk. This is why HP would be treated similarly.

Originally posted by Stoic
Very relevant to this thread. Doomsday was beaten to death by far less than WB Hulk. This is why HP would be treated similarly.

Hulk has been KOd by far less than Doomsday. This is why WBH would be treated similarly.

Great logic here.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Define "low mid tier" please. Because at the time of Doomsday Wars, Superman was comfortably in the mid to high herald range.



No, he isn't.

Prove he was mid herald level

Originally posted by skyrider
WBH stomps.

The DC stroking is hard around here huh?

1. How does he plan on taking down DD? gimme one viable tactic, punching DD in the face wouldn't work you know

2. whose sock are you?

Doomsday has never been immune to physical force

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yes but my point is that Stoic is acting like other incarnations are relevant.



Nor has WBH.

Incorrect. What we DO know:

-His endurance and healing is directly related to his strength level.

-We do know that World War Hulk was able to take on the Marvel Universe and stalemated the Sentry holding back.

-We do know that Worldbreaker is a MASSIVE upgrade to Hulk's power levels, it is to Hulk what the Infinity Gauntlet is to Thanos, he is MUCH stronger with it, but he is a still a massive (though not unbeatable) powerhouse even without it. He doesn't need this powerup to challenge even the strongest of characters. We have not seen WBH harmed at all.

WBH isnt needed.

Originally posted by cdtm
Who says DD was going all out? He was clearly toying with Ted Kord.

Originally posted by Galan007
Scans of Superman making H/P Doomsday bleed?
Originally posted by carver9
You do know Superman punches made blood come out of his mouth, right. That's the way he will punch him to death.

Oh look...he never answered

Originally posted by Proper_
Prove he was mid herald level

I said he was at LEAST mid-herald level. You could make the argument that he was higher based on his feats under Byrne and Jurgens.

Now, I answered your question. Are you going to answer mine?

@JL King...

That was already answered. Look through the thread.

Originally posted by Proper_
We have not seen WBH harmed at all.

Yes we have. Several times. By Betty (the only other person he was fighting at the time of the WBH).

Now, some have said that he went WBH several times, including on Earth. He was physically hurt then as well, by Skaar.

Saying we have NOT seen WBH harmed AT ALL (my emphasis) os false. Especially in reply to my post which directly references physical attacks.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Prove this. This is Kyle Rayner.



He also has half dozen other planetary or above showings. Heck his shields have taken solar system destroying attacks without any issues.

https://imgur.com/a/s3ty2wq

Doomsday treated him as nothing.
I really think he's taking his position too far, but surely you see the problem with using Kyle as proof, right? I mean DD has the whole "adaptive" thing going on an he already encountered the GL corp long ago.

And don't get me wrong because I totally agree with you that DD is more powerful than homeboy is letting on, I'm just saying that Kyle probably isn't a good example to support the point.

Have you given up on the whole 'PM arguments and scans to posters' thing you had going on, Goob?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Have you given up on the whole 'PM arguments and scans to posters' thing you had going on, Goob?
Depends. I don't do it much anymore because nowadays I just post myself if I see a problem with someone's argument. That was all more of a thing to do when I was no longer an active poster. I'll send someone something now and then if I think it'll help their argument, but I've cut back massively.

Originally posted by darthgoober
I really think he's taking his position too far, but surely you see the problem with using Kyle as proof, right? I mean DD has the whole "adaptive" thing going on an he already encountered the GL corp long ago.

And don't get me wrong because I totally agree with you that DD is more powerful than homeboy is letting on, I'm just saying that Kyle probably isn't a good example to support the point.

There's nothing to suggest HP Doomsday was somehow more resistant to Kyle than others. He also no sold astro force and heat vision.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Have you given up on the whole 'PM arguments and scans to posters' thing you had going on, Goob? You've gone full kmc sheriff? Lmao
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Doomsday stomps.

Doomsday was at or above skyfather type of level here. Above pantheon gods and many cosmics. Let me know the minute Hulk steamrolls Zues or Odin like Doomsday did to Darkseid and we might have a discussion.

Haha no, I'm not passing judgement on it or anything. I just recall a time when he wouldn't take part in debates up front, but would let others post it for him.

Originally posted by abhilegend
There's nothing to suggest HP Doomsday was somehow more resistant to Kyle than others. He also no sold astro force and heat vision. the big point is that he never had to. We witnessed in his history his run in with the Corp and the Guardians for the first time, and he was already stronger than any. And that was thousands of years ago.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Haha no, I'm not passing judgement on it or anything. I just recall a time when he wouldn't take part in debates up front, but would let others post it for him.
Yeah that whole period was kinda cool. It really showed me just how much more influenced by ego people are than they realize. I could send basically the same points/arguments to two different people and the level of variance in people's responses to each would be crazy because people were a lot more willing to listen and civilly engage someone like Celey or myself than they are someone like carver. If there's one thing I learned, it's that NOBODY wants to concede a point to carver about ANYTHING lol

Darksaint is a trip. Just make him mod already.

Originally posted by carver9
Darksaint is a trip. Just make him mod already.

He would ban you and me in a heartbeat.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Yeah that whole period was kinda cool. It really showed me just how much more influenced by ego people are than they realize. I could send basically the same points/arguments to two different people and the level of variance in people's responses to each would be crazy because people were a lot more willing to listen and civilly engage someone like Celey or myself than they are someone like carver. If there's one thing I learned, it's that NOBODY wants to concede a point to carver about ANYTHING lol I'll offer this, and it is not necessarily aimed at Carver but people in general, I've noticed that people will respond more favorably towsrd anyone who lay their views down in a more himble approach as oppose to being arrogant and argumentative, it's in most of to respond negatively and to be oppositional when we are responding to someone of the attitude.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
He would ban you and me in a heartbeat.

Along with a lot of other people. Hes playing the role though, so why not give it to him.

I'd hate that role tbh.

Originally posted by lawest9
I'll offer this, and it is not necessarily aimed at Carver but people in general, I've noticed that people will respond more favorably towsrd anyone who lay their views down in a more himble approach as oppose to being arrogant and argumentative, it's in most of to respond negatively and to be oppositional when we are responding to someone of the attitude.

Yeah, because it is quite a rare thing for people to be polite on battleboards

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I'd hate that role tbh.

We are all Raz's pokemon. We belong to him.

If he chooses you, you must do as he says. Just look at Old Man Galan.

Originally posted by lawest9
I'll offer this, and it is not necessarily aimed at Carver but people in general, I've noticed that people will respond more favorably towsrd anyone who lay their views down in a more himble approach as oppose to being arrogant and argumentative, it's in most of to respond negatively and to be oppositional when we are responding to someone of the attitude.
I have no doubt that such a thing is a factor, but because of my behind the scenes experiments I'd say that it isn't the primary factor. Honestly I think the biggest reason carver himself catches so much flak is that dumping on him is basically seen as "fashionable". People know they can get away with it because he's not the type to actually try to get anyone else in trouble, he's not the most eloquent guy in the world so he's not great at dealing with multiple points from multiple sources simultaneously, and it makes them one of the "cool kids" so why not...

Excuse the misspelled words in my last post please, if it isn't the spell check it's 'too large finger tips' for the keyboard.

Originally posted by lawest9
Excuse the misspelled words in my last post please, if it isn't the spell check it's 'too large finger tips' for the keyboard.
No worries, KMC's spellcheck kinda sucks anyway so there's no sense in stressing over it.

Originally posted by darthgoober
I have no doubt that such a thing is a factor, but because of my behind the scenes experiments I'd say that it isn't the primary factor. Honestly I think the biggest reason carver himself catches so much flak is that dumping on him is basically seen as "fashionable". People know they can get away with it because he's not the type to actually try to get anyone else in trouble and it makes them one of the "cool kids" so why not... True, he very dogged and determined to be the no.1 Hulk fanboy of all time, Hulk does have some insane feats but there are times when he strecth those feats to their most extreme limits, and perhaps he really believes what he says, in any case it is his prerogative to love whatever character he chose.

I have seen him play peacemaker more than once.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Haha no, I'm not passing judgement on it or anything. I just recall a time when he wouldn't take part in debates up front, but would let others post it for him. Yeah, funny times indeed.

Directly.

I hate than when I try to edit on my phone the whole post just disappears.

Originally posted by lawest9
I'll offer this, and it is not necessarily aimed at Carver but people in general, I've noticed that people will respond more favorably towsrd anyone who lay their views down in a more himble approach as oppose to being arrogant and argumentative, it's in most of to respond negatively and to be oppositional when we are responding to someone of the attitude.

For the most part, attacking the argument instead of the person is a rule I think most people would be better off following.

I mean, I think any number of people could stop spewing the verbal shite they do, and just be honest about comics, but if I saw them on the street I'm not going to be a dick to them.

Except Stilt.

Originally posted by -Pr-
For the most part, attacking the argument instead of the person is a rule I think most people would be better off following.

I mean, I think any number of people could stop spewing the verbal shite they do, and just be honest about comics, but if I saw them on the street I'm not going to be a dick to them.

Except Stilt. Oh he'll like that.🤣🤣🤣🤣