You are a Green Lantern, who can you beat
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MrMind
You been training in the GLC for a year with the best teachers
You are sent out on a mission,
to kill the most powerful someone you are capable of beating
no outside help
who do you go for, any characters from any fictions allowed, not just marvel and dc
you get 3 days prep, your ring energy is rechargable in the mid battle
give me details of how you are gonna fight, not just names
Parmaniac
I'm confident most people will overestimate their own willpower.
Galan007
Yeah, even after a year with training from Hal himself, I would still be a complete newb. Controlling and focusing your thoughts/willpower like that would be tremendously difficult.
I *might* be at a point where I could sustain basic shapes/constructs, but that's about it. I'd get stomped by damn near anyone... My only saving grace would be auto-shielding, because I don't have to consciously control that.
DarkSaint85
Or auto instructions.
https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/12/122143/3319654-john%20ring%20auto%20blast.jpg.
Can imagine having a whole slew of instructions thought would be difficult for the ring. Let alone being prepped for every eventuality.
DarkSaint85
Within that year, I'd ask for training focussed on one attack and one only...creating constructs inside people's brains.
Then I could prob go up to low herald maybe?
Galan007
You think you could learn fine-tuned/precise stuff like that in a year?
DarkSaint85
Pfft fine tune shmine tune, I'm not doing brain surgery - just how to open bubbles in your brain.
Galan007
Sure, but you'd still have to be pretty adept at focusing your thoughts/willpower into constructs to even begin to get that precise with them.
...Meanwhile I'll be over here still trying to hold basic shapes together.
beatboks
Every GL in the corps has been able to use a ring from the moment they don one without any training, I'm not seeing how with a year of intense training with "THE BEST" teachers one would still be unable to do what appears to be the most basic things.
I mean when Kyle had just been handed a ring he just had to think about it
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-8LMZy3ACljM/Vm6x1cfQSFI/AAAAAAAAKis/yMR5Vzncpek/s1600-Ic42/RCO008.jpg
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-O2gBKWLXbEg/Vm6x3MDCQAI/AAAAAAAAKig/XhK3qOtLWMM/s1600-Ic42/RCO015.jpg
Now for me, i just wanna know do I have MY level of knowledge of character weaknesses? As on that of a reader who knows everything about their world.
Putinbot1
Kyle is an artist he had a natural bent for art with the ring, john is an engineer he puts rivets on his constructs. My first degree is Molecular Biology from Kings College University of London. Kryptonian DNA for me I think.
MrMind
Originally posted by beatboks
Every GL in the corps has been able to use a ring from the moment they don one without any training, I'm not seeing how with a year of intense training with "THE BEST" teachers one would still be unable to do what appears to be the most basic things.
I mean when Kyle had just been handed a ring he just had to think about it
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-8LMZy3ACljM/Vm6x1cfQSFI/AAAAAAAAKis/yMR5Vzncpek/s1600-Ic42/RCO008.jpg
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-O2gBKWLXbEg/Vm6x3MDCQAI/AAAAAAAAKig/XhK3qOtLWMM/s1600-Ic42/RCO015.jpg
Now for me, i just wanna know do I have MY level of knowledge of character weaknesses? As on that of a reader who knows everything about their world.
you know everything a reader who read every green lantern ongoings would know
who's the most og being you can beat
beatboks
Originally posted by MrMind
you know everything a reader who read every green lantern ongoings would know
who's the most og being you can beat
No I was wondering if I retain my knowledge of the characyer I want to attack. So as a reader do I know Superman's weakness to red sun, Kryptonite,magoc. If I did then I use the ring to open a warp to a red sun galaxy right in front of him
I mean you said it was ME with a GL ring and I KNOW that
Sin I AM
Originally posted by Parmaniac
I'm confident most people will overestimate their own willpower.
this. I would take years to become adept. Give me basic flying brick physiology and Id werck any one of you rookie GLs
DarkSaint85
Stilt would like that though
DarkSaint85
Boks is also an Aussie special forces sniper, bee tee dubs.
MrMind
Originally posted by beatboks
No I was wondering if I retain my knowledge of the characyer I want to attack. So as a reader do I know Superman's weakness to red sun, Kryptonite,magoc. If I did then I use the ring to open a warp to a red sun galaxy right in front of him
you know everything as reader
Sin I AM
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Stilt would like that though
yea stilt would be the first to go...cant have that fiflth on my planet
Adam Grimes
I would kill Thor, though.
Philosophía
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Or auto instructions.
https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/12/122143/3319654-john%20ring%20auto%20blast.jpg
Can imagine having a whole slew of instructions thought would be difficult for the ring. Let alone being prepped for every eventuality. Packages of instructions can be loaded inside the ring for use in case of a specific situation.
And the ring also has capabilities and 'browsing' speed to access all of the Guardians' knowledge.
But, in some instances, willpower is also a factor, so I guess it depends on the portrayal.
-Pr-
Originally posted by MrMind
You been training in the GLC for a year with the best teachers
You are sent out on a mission,
to kill the most powerful someone you are capable of beating
no outside help
who do you go for, any characters from any fictions allowed, not just marvel and dc
you get 3 days prep, your ring energy is rechargable in the mid battle
give me details of how you are gonna fight, not just names
I'd put shields up and kick the shit out of street levellers and a bunch of low, maybe mid-metas.
High-metas? Some of the ones without psionic powers, sure.
ilikecomics
Im confused by the mechanics of how will power works here. Does it mean that anyone who can operate one also has perfect will outside of powering the ring? If that's the case does that mean they never do things that arent productive? If they cut corners, or do something lazy, or fail to fight a compulsion, impulse etc. is it because they willed it ? If not would there be a net loss of total will power? Or when they drink a soda, when they know water is healthier, is it justified by a nietzschean conception of will, as in will to power? If so your will could be predicated on having fun at any cost, if it were fun to make gl constructs would that make your will go up and cause greater control and power output of the ring, which would lead to even more fun on and on ad infinitum?
To me will power is defined as making the choices you want to over time, that are often in conflict with our more primal instincts, so is it just about being emotionally stoic and abstemious? So would this mean a gl never does anything they dont want to? How does it correlate to construct creation?
ilikecomics
My line of questioning evokes the story of the phantom ring and how frank's driving force was to become a gl, if he were given a gl ring i dont see why his single minded obsession should have given him max stats. But maybe his obsession occluded a truer, more authentic will?
Idk anyways, i would beat up billy zane as the phantom.
beatboks
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Boks is also an Aussie special forces sniper, bee tee dubs.
That might have meant spmething 20 years ago (who'm I kidding at least 25)
I havent fired a gun in years, I've got a blown out right knee that has had tw surgeries (and in need of a third) as well as a left knee that has had one. I need a knee replacement in both butt my doctors wont do it till I'm closer to 70. I'm overweight and now cant see worth a damn withiut my multifocals.
I'd be like John Wayne in big Jake when his younger son (the sniper) offers him his riffle to try saying the scope is set to 2000 yards when he replied "son, I can'tsee that far" or in that early scene where they were hanging the sheep farmer and he got his rifle out, looked, squimted, put on his glasses, and still couldnt make the shot.
All my history is good for now is great stories (that get better and more embellished every time I tell them
MrMind
I got rheumatoid arthritis so I sorta knows your pain. My joints pop like they are making beats, I get knee pains when making turns walking or going up and down stairs
DarkSaint85
Mr Mind is only 25 though
MrMind
^I certainly made your mom feels young again
lawest9
Originally posted by MrMind
I got rheumatoid arthritis so I sorta knows your pain. My joints pop like they are making beats, I get knee pains when making turns walking or going up and down stairs Really???.......
Stoic
Most true to life people lack the will to quit smoking cigarettes, or taking highly addictive drugs like meth, or heroin. How are they supposed to willfully beat top tiers capable of punishing planets? I agree with the thought that most would overestimate their willpower.
-Pr-
Originally posted by Stoic
Most true to life people lack the will to quit smoking cigarettes, or taking highly addictive drugs like meth, or heroin. How are they supposed to willfully beat top tiers capable of punishing planets? I agree with the thought that most would overestimate their willpower.
I would imagine that because the ring actually chose us, anyone lacking in willpower would have had it boosted to the minimum requirements before the thread question even gets asked.
So stuff like shields and energy blasts should be the very least anyone is capable of.
ilikecomics
If hal jordan maintained his fearlessness but had a messy apartment and bad diet would the ring not choose him? Has there not been a green lantern who smoked?
Adam Grimes
Nice try, Wonder Man wannabe.
Stoic
Originally posted by -Pr-
I would imagine that because the ring actually chose us, anyone lacking in willpower would have had it boosted to the minimum requirements before the thread question even gets asked.
So stuff like shields and energy blasts should be the very least anyone is capable of.
Okay. Well from that perspective, I'm certain that I'd have the power to challenge land locked opponents like Aquaman. Lol, had to do it Pr. To be honest though, I really have no idea how powerful I'd be?
Galan007
Originally posted by Damborgson
Green Arrow, an established Super hero, struggled to even produce an arrow.
And even Batman, who has worked with Green Lanterns for decadeS, studied their rings extensively, and has actually used a ring himself on a few occasions, can still barely even interface with a ring... Let alone control one to any noteworthy extent.
ilikecomics
Originally posted by Adam Grimes
Nice try, Wonder Man wannabe.
I was just asking if anyone, more informed than i, had any insight into the mechanics of how will power worked in dc. I think the green arrow example only obfuscates things. I dont get why cynicism would affect will, wouldnt that indicate oliver queen wouldnt be able to accomplish what he wants ? But we know he is in fact very successful, which in the info age is most highly predicted by the traits of high iq and conscientiousness, which to me would be somewhat linked to will power.
Also i think dc tries to create a false dichotomy between willpower and fear. People can have low will power because of things that arent fear. The gl ring's intro to it's user is "you have the ability to overcome great fear" which is why i asked if someone who was fearless, but couldnt fight addiction or impulse, which are the examples other posters are using for why people who are addicts or impulsive wouldn't make good gls, would in fact make a gl based on the criteria of the ring in it's choosing weighing the ability to overcome fear vs. Say fight addiction or impulse.
I know their have been emotional and impulsive lanterns like guy gardener, i think simon baz had anger issues but not sure on that, the g.l.s from the apokalips sector. To me emotionality is impulsive, which is antithetical to fear, but despite that these emotionally impulsive lanterns are efficacious because the single criterion of overcoming fear, as i said is only a minor aspect of will power.
ilikecomics
Originally posted by Galan007
And even Batman, who has worked with Green Lanterns for decadeS, studied their rings extensively, and has actually used a ring himself on a few occasions, can still barely even interface with a ring... Let alone control one to any noteworthy extent.
Is this from inexperience? Surely batman has overcome great fear as that is one of his main motifs. Is this saying that batman has low will power? Running a fortune 500 company and being the peak of human physical performance and dedicating his life to study would take more will power than flying a plane fast, no?
Galan007
It's because GL rings aren't just some random trinket that you can pick up and instantly know how to use.
ilikecomics
Originally posted by Galan007
It's because GL rings aren't just some random trinket that you can pick up and instantly know how to use.
Wouldnt this be counterpointed by you saying batman did extensive research on it? He is one of dc's top minds, whereas any other g.l. by comparison, at least the earthbound ones, are pretty average, so is the difference between the experience using the ring and what info one can gleam from extensive study that big of a gulf? And if so exactly what could batman study so extensively if a second hand account of using the ring has almost no impact of how much someone like batman could pick the ring up.
As an example, imagine the smartest man in the world , who is also trained in martial arts, has good hand eye coordination etc. , extensively studying firearms. Imagine he has never shot a gun before but he's been around 100s of people using them and knows everything about them. This man when he first picks up a gun obviously wouldnt be as good of a shot as an idiot who has shot guns accurately for two decades, however he would be way better at using firearms his first try compared to someone who never held or studied anything about guns, so im saying the disparity between batman using the ring is either disproportionate or the study couldnt have been that extensive, or there is more to be asked about the mechanics of the ring imo.
If a gun is too simple adjust the analogy with something more complex than a gun. I cant think of anything sufficiently complex enough where someone who studied it extensively, although never experienced using it first hand, who fail to such a degree that a genius like batman would fail, but someone of average iq like hal jordan could succeed.
ilikecomics
And if everyone lacks profiency at first and require ultra rigourous and time expensive training, how does the ring know who to invest in?
Adam Grimes
Tbf it's a very plot dependant subject.
ilikecomics
Im all for suspending disbelief for entertainment, but the internal logic of fictitious worlds has to be consistent. If a fictitious world's own rules it set up are contradicted it makes for bad story telling. Ive never been able to make sense of the gl corps. Every other ring makes more sense to me i.e. red lanterns get chosen for being angry then become more powerful the angrier they become.
So is willpower more like grit and determination here?
Stoic
Originally posted by ilikecomics
Wouldnt this be counterpointed by you saying batman did extensive research on it? He is one of dc's top minds, whereas any other g.l. by comparison, at least the earthbound ones, are pretty average, so is the difference between the experience using the ring and what info one can gleam from extensive study that big of a gulf? And if so exactly what could batman study so extensively if a second hand account of using the ring has almost no impact of how much someone like batman could pick the ring up.
As an example, imagine the smartest man in the world , who is also trained in martial arts, has good hand eye coordination etc. , extensively studying firearms. Imagine he has never shot a gun before but he's been around 100s of people using them and knows everything about them. This man when he first picks up a gun obviously wouldnt be as good of a shot as an idiot who has shot guns accurately for two decades, however he would be way better at using firearms his first try compared to someone who never held or studied anything about guns, so im saying the disparity between batman using the ring is either disproportionate or the study couldnt have been that extensive, or there is more to be asked about the mechanics of the ring imo.
If a gun is too simple adjust the analogy with something more complex than a gun. I cant think of anything sufficiently complex enough where someone who studied it extensively, although never experienced using it first hand, who fail to such a degree that a genius like batman would fail, but someone of average iq like hal jordan could succeed.
But as Pr pointed out, we assume that the ring chose us, which in that case places us at least on the level of the rawest Green Lantern rookie.
ilikecomics
Originally posted by Adam Grimes
Tbf it's a very plot dependant subject.
Whoops didnt see this.
Lol i see. That makes alot of sense but was hoping for in story explanation other than "he's the most hero-y and can hero the most so his ring is strong. "
Thanks for the reply.
ilikecomics
Originally posted by Stoic
But as Pr pointed out, we assume that the ring chose us, which in that case places us at least on the level of the rawest Green Lantern rookie.
Oh i see where this is applicable. Then wouldn't the answer be dedicate your will into studying how to develop even stronger will? Other people referenced the ability to use the ring to look things up. There's gotta be apocryphal writings of the guardians that are willpower life hacks.
beatboks
Originally posted by Stoic
Most true to life people lack the will to quit smoking cigarettes, or taking highly addictive drugs like meth, or heroin. How are they supposed to willfully beat top tiers capable of punishing planets? I agree with the thought that most would overestimate their willpower.
See I dont get why thats hard. I smoked cigars and peter stuyverson cigarettes for a couple decades. When my kids were born my wife said I should stop and that was it, sinply never smoked again, cold turkey no problems.
I recently went to a birthday party where one of the guests was smoking cubans. I joined him to vicariously second hand smoke his luscious cigar, so I know I could easily pick up a cigar tomorrow and light it up bit had no issues not smoking after that night either.
I dont ser quiting smokes as all that hard a thing to do, at least not in my experience
beatboks
Originally posted by Galan007
And even Batman, who has worked with Green Lanterns for decadeS, studied their rings extensively, and has actually used a ring himself on a few occasions, can still barely even interface with a ring... Let alone control one to any noteworthy extent.
And yet a fool like Gnort with low level intelect and a discernable lack of will power (shown on panel) can make constructs without issue. Kyle in the image O posted formed a shield with zero knowledge of gow to do so and purely a guess. Several GLs whith no training are shown on panel doing basics after just recieving a ring (guy, John, Hal, and Kyke's origin stories)
While its inconsistent theres a lot more instances of in universe use of a ring without training than having problems with one
Galan007
The Green Arrow and Batman instances just show us that you can be really, really smart, and have a ton of experience analyzing/studying GL rings, but still have a LOT of trouble controlling one on even a basic level.
I think the hardest part would just be trying to cohesively focus your thoughts/willpower together enough to manifest even simple contructs(let alone the more advanced stuff.) I think people are underestimating how difficult that would actually be... We aren't comic book characters.
But that's mainly just for constructs. I assume manifesting generic energy blasts would be easier.
Philosophía
Geoff Johns really solidified Green Lantern ring usage as not something you can just pick up and use, as far as construct creation and such.
Previous to that, there's been quite a few instances of people who have no business doing so using them.
As I said before, the usage of AI theoretically bypasses that but, then again, I'm pretty sure you'll also have to "Will" the protocol into existence , so perhaps not.
Galan007
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Geoff Johns really solidified Green Lantern ring usage as not something you can just pick up and use, as far as construct creation and such.
That's one of the few things I enjoyed about Johns' GL mythos. Actually, I really liked where he was going with Lanterns, until he introduced the rainbow Corps...
Philosophía
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