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Switch Thanos with Superman. Odin amped +gungnir blasts him

what happens

https://i.postimg.cc/FfTjF5sY/okl.jpg

Of course Superman can match that.

High end Superman could.
But some would say the magic weakness would prevent Superman from tanking it exactly like how Thanos did. So it all depends.

It hurts him, badly

Superman wraps Gungnir around Odin's neck!

A determined Superman walks through it and takes Gungir from him and chucks it into space.
Superman's weakness to magic is a)because in DC Magic is more powerful, its a be-all-end-all, and b) mental blocks, like all his powers and c) because Superman is used to holding back his power considerably around his friends.

But when he means to, he's shown the ability to walk right through it.

Take JLA Primeval for an example. Guy has the powers of a pantheon of primordial chaos gods. He wrecks the league a couple times, sans Superman. In the final battle Superman is there and a blast from his staff smashed the whole league and Superman just walks through and says "Thats all you got?" and beats him.

Likewise, against Blaze, the now former ruler of hell, in her own place of power, when he got determined to, he simply walked through everything she had to give.


Superman is in a completely different realm of power than Thanos.

Originally posted by Juntai
A determined Superman walks through it and takes Gungir from him and chucks it into space.
Superman's weakness to magic is a)because in DC Magic is more powerful, its a be-all-end-all, and b) mental blocks, like all his powers and c) because Superman is used to holding back his power considerably around his friends.

But when he means to, he's shown the ability to walk right through it.

Take JLA Primeval for an example. Guy has the powers of a pantheon of primordial chaos gods. He wrecks the league a couple times, sans Superman. In the final battle Superman is there and a blast from his staff smashed the whole league and Superman just walks through and says "Thats all you got?" and beats him.

Likewise, against Blaze, the now former ruler of hell, in her own place of power, when he got determined to, he simply walked through everything she had to give.


Superman is in a completely different realm of power than Thanos.

Superman is rendered unconscious.

Superman powers through it. Juntai bringing up facts.

I WILL STOMP OUT YOU REMNANTS OF THE THOR CORPS AND GAMMITES IMMEDIATELY!!!

Wrong thread lassie.

On average without an amp? No he'd be KO'd.

Originally posted by Juntai
A determined Superman walks through it and takes Gungir from him and chucks it into space.
Superman's weakness to magic is a)because in DC Magic is more powerful, its a be-all-end-all, and b) mental blocks, like all his powers and c) because Superman is used to holding back his power considerably around his friends.

But when he means to, he's shown the ability to walk right through it.

Take JLA Primeval for an example. Guy has the powers of a pantheon of primordial chaos gods. He wrecks the league a couple times, sans Superman. In the final battle Superman is there and a blast from his staff smashed the whole league and Superman just walks through and says "Thats all you got?" and beats him.

Likewise, against Blaze, the now former ruler of hell, in her own place of power, when he got determined to, he simply walked through everything she had to give.


Superman is in a completely different realm of power than Thanos.

Superman kicks him.

Originally posted by Juntai
A determined Superman walks through it and takes Gungir from him and chucks it into space.
Superman's weakness to magic is a)because in DC Magic is more powerful, its a be-all-end-all, and b) mental blocks, like all his powers and c) because Superman is used to holding back his power considerably around his friends.

But when he means to, he's shown the ability to walk right through it.

Take JLA Primeval for an example. Guy has the powers of a pantheon of primordial chaos gods. He wrecks the league a couple times, sans Superman. In the final battle Superman is there and a blast from his staff smashed the whole league and Superman just walks through and says "Thats all you got?" and beats him.

Likewise, against Blaze, the now former ruler of hell, in her own place of power, when he got determined to, he simply walked through everything she had to give.


Superman is in a completely different realm of power than Thanos.

A)

It doesn't take that powerful magic to hurt Superman.

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-fab8a704305cc034c8b545976de591bd

Because while Enchantress is pretty powerful


https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/8/80103/4325851-superman%20batman%2003-17.jpg
Nightshade isn't that crazy.


And neither is Viking:

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-f3da64c3d9776eafc6417eb9c404b13f


So it ranges quite a bit. It's meant to be a weakness. This is explicitly states in every incarnation Superman has ever had.

You even have character who make a point of pointing out that they're different than Superman, like SBP and ignore magic instead of being vulnerable to it.

So Odin, the highest of Skyfathers in Marvel would 100% roast his ass with a direct Gungir blast like that, knock that crap out of here.


I'm willing to list the times Superman has done well against magic vs the times he's been specifically affected by it. /shrug

Yes, but Thanos ALSO ranges in durability. So.....

Originally posted by Damborgson
A)

It doesn't take that powerful magic to hurt Superman.

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-fab8a704305cc034c8b545976de591bd

Because while Enchantress is pretty powerful


https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/8/80103/4325851-superman%20batman%2003-17.jpg
Nightshade isn't that crazy.


And neither is Viking:

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-f3da64c3d9776eafc6417eb9c404b13f


So it ranges quite a bit. It's meant to be a weakness. This is explicitly states in every incarnation Superman has ever had.

You even have character who make a point of pointing out that they're different than Superman, like SBP and ignore magic instead of being vulnerable to it.

So Odin, the highest of Skyfathers in Marvel would 100% roast his ass with a direct Gungir blast like that, knock that crap out of here.


I'm willing to list the times Superman has done well against magic vs the times he's been specifically affected by it. /shrug



King of the Damboys stands alone against the endless hordes of demented superman zombies.

They will violate him and rape his corpse, but I still salute to his bravery.

#KingDamboIsOneTrueKing

##PleaseStopThisKryptonianNonsenseGuys

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yes, but Thanos ALSO ranges in durability. So.....

That's definitely not what's in question though.

https://i.imgflip.com/3pmo6r.jpg

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW


King of the Damboys stands alone against the endless hordes of demented superman zombies.

They will violate him and rape his corpse, but I still salute to his bravery.

#KingDamboIsOneTrueKing

##PleaseStopThisKryptonianNonsenseGuys

Let's do this Stilt

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/AggravatingSmoothFrogmouth-size_restricted.gif

Big Bang Kamehameha Pure Adamantium Godblast right in Omega Kryptonian Shenron Prime's face...

Originally posted by Damborgson
That's definitely not what's in question though.

Well it is.

If you're taking a high end feat of Thanos, then surely you should take a high end feat of Superman's?

Saying that you've seen Superman hurt by far less, means nothing when we have also seen Thanos hurt by far less.

Its like asking if Thor can take a punch from Doomsday...when we've seen him harmed by less. Of course you and other would jump in with higher feats (as you RIGHTLY should).

of course leave it up to Saint to lowball

Superman on an average is consistently shown to be affected by magic less than Odin. This isn't that complicated

Problem is Superman isn't Thanos. Thanos weakness isnt magic

Wait.....how am I low-ballling??????

I said it's a high end feat for Thanos. Galaxies were being shaken in that fight iirc. Is that a LOW end feat for Thanos, Alberto?

Average?

Explain how I am low-ballling. Otherwise, reported.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yes, but Thanos ALSO ranges in durability. So.....

This isn't lowballing?

We know Thanos ranges, every comic character does, that doesn't address Superman's terrible performance against lesser mystical energy on a consistent basis. I can post several examples if you'd like

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
This isn't lowballing?

We know Thanos ranges, every comic character does, that doesn't address Superman's terrible performance against lesser mystical energy on a consistent basis. I can post several examples if you'd like

No it isn't, lmao.

As you yourself say in your own post, we all know Thanos ranges. I think you need to sit back and grasp basic concepts first.

Thanos tanks the attack because HE'S that durable. Superman doesn't because MAGIC plays a HUGE factor into this. i don't even know why you said that lmao

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
i don't even know why you said that lmao

Ok Albert

At his best amp or no amp, there is no question Supes tanks it without a mark on him. Even with the magic issue in play.

Supes is not a Marvel character so you can't use hierarchy from a different company to scale him and say he is below Odin. Gtfo with this "he's a skyfather" title slinging as if that's supposed to mean anything in a cross company battle board fight.

Originally posted by Damborgson
A)

It doesn't take that powerful magic to hurt Superman.

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-fab8a704305cc034c8b545976de591bd

Because while Enchantress is pretty powerful


https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/8/80103/4325851-superman%20batman%2003-17.jpg
Nightshade isn't that crazy.


And neither is Viking:

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-f3da64c3d9776eafc6417eb9c404b13f


So it ranges quite a bit. It's meant to be a weakness. This is explicitly states in every incarnation Superman has ever had.

You even have character who make a point of pointing out that they're different than Superman, like SBP and ignore magic instead of being vulnerable to it.

So Odin, the highest of Skyfathers in Marvel would 100% roast his ass with a direct Gungir blast like that, knock that crap out of here.


I'm willing to list the times Superman has done well against magic vs the times he's been specifically affected by it. /shrug
ermm

There's Superman tanking several blasts from Shazam.

https://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Durability/blasts/superman216i.jpg
https://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Durability/blasts/superman216j.jpg
https://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Durability/blasts/superman216k.jpg

Or taking blast from a hugely amped Mordru

https://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i436/KMCPhilosophia/supesmordrumagic1.jpg
https://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i436/KMCPhilosophia/supesmordrumagic2.jpg

Or tanking blasts from Molly the keeper who had power of all Olympian gods and Atlantis.

Fights and tanks Molly's attack, which contains the combined power of Olympus, Speed Force, GL energy and Atlantean Energy, and it was big enough to move the entire Earth Solar System timeline to the end of the Universe.
https://ibb.co/bHHGkrv
https://ibb.co/6tNxZ50
https://ibb.co/vvQLMyV
https://ibb.co/L8wK6X6
https://ibb.co/QC0fg81
https://ibb.co/Bnv5gM6
https://ibb.co/wY4TxXD
https://ibb.co/zhJdR13
https://ibb.co/7yqTGmS

So eh, Superman can be hurt by Odin, koed or near death or he just walks through the attacks and knocks Odin's teeth out. It depends on what we choose to draw from.

Welcome back

Originally posted by CosmicComet
At his best amp or no amp, there is no question Supes tanks it without a mark on him. Even with the magic issue in play.

Supes is not a Marvel character so you can't use hierarchy from a different company to scale him and say he is below Odin. Gtfo with this "he's a skyfather" title slinging as if that's supposed to mean anything in a cross company battle board fight.

magical cards cut him ****ing magical cards

https://i.postimg.cc/JDBb88gC/pole.jpg



He got bit through just cause it was magic

https://i.postimg.cc/CdgN0BFv/tir.jpg

there's several more

Originally posted by BrolyBlack
Welcome back

Abhi is playing hard to get ignoring us

That's because he has an ACTUAL life and doesn't have a "bond" with you weirdos on a battleboard site lmao

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
That's because he has an ACTUAL life and doesn't have a "bond" with you weirdos on a battleboard site lmao

You are the butt of every joke on this entire forum, that makes you the weirdo. Also did you get a job yet?

Originally posted by BrolyBlack
Welcome back
Thanks

Originally posted by CosmicComet
At his best amp or no amp, there is no question Supes tanks it without a mark on him. Even with the magic issue in play.

Supes is not a Marvel character so you can't use hierarchy from a different company to scale him and say he is below Odin. Gtfo with this "he's a skyfather" title slinging as if that's supposed to mean anything in a cross company battle board fight.

That's exactly why he shouldn't tank it. It's a question of bypassing his defenses. In this case Thanos is resistant magical assault, which is a form of attack that Superman is vulnerable to. If it doesn't KO him, he'd definitely not be able to no sell it. Superman has always been vulnerable to magic. I really hope that they keep going with the idea that Superman has a vulnerability or two. This doesn't mean that Thanos is, or was more durable in other areas though. You can show one scan of him resisting magic, and ten others depicting him not resisting.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yes, but Thanos ALSO ranges in durability. So..... Not really, his average seems to be pretty high. Most if not all of his low durability showing come under Bendis (excluding times he was weakened etc)

His average is pretty high, yes (Black Bolt screaming in his face, Thor smashing his hammer etc). But my quibble is that this showing is, as the Thor fans would see it, against the premier Skyfather in either company, and back when he WAS the top dog in Skyfathers.

In short, it's a great showing for Thanos. So when we ask if Superman could match it, we should use his great showings as a comparison.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
His average is pretty high, yes (Black Bolt screaming in his face, Thor smashing his hammer etc). But my quibble is that this showing is, as the Thor fans would see it, against the premier Skyfather in either company, and back when he WAS the top dog in Skyfathers.

In short, it's a great showing for Thanos. So when we ask if Superman could match it, we should use his great showings as a comparison. id put what punishment he took from Tyrant and kept going above this showing

agreed, that still makes this a great showing, IMHO. Its. DEFINITELY not a low showing, and I don't think it's an average showing for Thanos.

Odin is hardly the premier skyfather in either company.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Odin is hardly the premier skyfather in either company.

*Shrug* my point still stands,that it was a great feat for Thanos and wasn't a merely average showing.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Switch Thanos with Superman. Odin amped +gungnir blasts him

what happens

https://i.postimg.cc/FfTjF5sY/okl.jpg

As much as I really don't want to get in to the whole "it's a vulnerability, not a weakness" argument, no, I don't think he'd just stand there and tank it casually.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Odin is hardly the premier skyfather in either company. He was at Marvel for a period of time.

Originally posted by -Pr-
As much as I really don't want to get in to the whole "it's a vulnerability, not a weakness" argument, no, I don't think he'd just stand there and tank it casually.

Agreed. Great answer

Gets roasted.

Based on?

at the anti superman brigade saying he gets flattened. Like most have said if the magic vulnerability comes into play he gets hurt but not much. Without that Superman tanks it like Thanos did.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
at the anti superman brigade saying he gets flattened. Like most have said if the magic vulnerability comes into play he gets hurt but not much. Without that Superman tanks it like Thanos did.

You think he'd tank it? Not sure why if he's vulnerable to magic? I'm a Superman fan, and won't just jump in trying to use any reason to make him look bad. I'm just going by what has been stated. I can't see him no selling it. On the other hand I could see him tanking a blast from an equally powerful attack that wasn't magical.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Agreed. Great answer

You seem overly excited by my answer.

If Superman tanks it, it still doesn't match the feat. Thanos no-sells it. There is a difference.

Originally posted by Damborgson
A)

It doesn't take that powerful magic to hurt Superman.

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-fab8a704305cc034c8b545976de591bd

Because while Enchantress is pretty powerful


https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/8/80103/4325851-superman%20batman%2003-17.jpg
Nightshade isn't that crazy.


And neither is Viking:

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-f3da64c3d9776eafc6417eb9c404b13f


So it ranges quite a bit. It's meant to be a weakness. This is explicitly states in every incarnation Superman has ever had.

You even have character who make a point of pointing out that they're different than Superman, like SBP and ignore magic instead of being vulnerable to it.

So Odin, the highest of Skyfathers in Marvel would 100% roast his ass with a direct Gungir blast like that, knock that crap out of here.


I'm willing to list the times Superman has done well against magic vs the times he's been specifically affected by it. /shrug

The topic is can Superman replicate the feat. Therefore examples of him doing poorly against magick are irrelevant. He has plenty of examples to say yes he can replicate it.

I love though how AJA claims he doesn't hate Superman but makes a topic that asks if he can replicate the feat (so does he have similar) but then masturbates to posting low showings of Superman against magick.

Why is it irrelevant? It's very relevant that he is susceptible to magic, in fact, it's a key point as to whether he can or can not take it. It's literally the most relevant point to this entire thread right after the most important questions to answering this.

1. How much energy can Odin produce? 2. How much energy can Superman take while standing completely still and unmoved?
3. Is there any key points about Superman's durability or Odin's energy output that would change the outcome? Yes. Odin uses magic and Superman is not immune to magic (not an actual weakness last I remembered, he just can be harmed same as a regular person)

And there is probably as many or more instances of him being susceptible to magic as not, or at least enough to warrant this.

On his higher levels like OWAW he would tank this.

An average Superman is not gonna tank a high end magic blast from a Classic Odin who shakes galaxies. He is gonna be injured or hurt at least.

Originally posted by ShadowFyre
Why is it irrelevant? It's very relevant that he is susceptible to magic, in fact, it's a key point as to whether he can or can not take it. It's literally the most relevant point to this entire thread right after the most important questions to answering this.

1. How much energy can Odin produce? 2. How much energy can Superman take while standing completely still and unmoved?
3. Is there any key points about Superman's durability or Odin's energy output that would change the outcome? Yes. Odin uses magic and Superman is not immune to magic (not an actual weakness last I remembered, he just can be harmed same as a regular person)

And there is probably as many or more instances of him being susceptible to magic as not, or at least enough to warrant this.

On his higher levels like OWAW he would tank this.

An average Superman is not gonna tank a high end magic blast from a Classic Odin who shakes galaxies. He is gonna be injured or hurt at least.

I didn't bother to read most of it. The topic is asking "can he." You actually need me to explain why it's irrelevant.....after I already explained?

Originally posted by ShadowFyre
Why is it irrelevant? It's very relevant that he is susceptible to magic, in fact, it's a key point as to whether he can or can not take it. It's literally the most relevant point to this entire thread right after the most important questions to answering this.

1. How much energy can Odin produce? 2. How much energy can Superman take while standing completely still and unmoved?
3. Is there any key points about Superman's durability or Odin's energy output that would change the outcome? Yes. Odin uses magic and Superman is not immune to magic (not an actual weakness last I remembered, he just can be harmed same as a regular person)

And there is probably as many or more instances of him being susceptible to magic as not, or at least enough to warrant this.

On his higher levels like OWAW he would tank this.

An average Superman is not gonna tank a high end magic blast from a Classic Odin who shakes galaxies. He is gonna be injured or hurt at least.

Yeah, Dambo posted several, and I added some to support the notion he's extremely susceptible to magic but fanboys will outright ignore that and label you as an SuPeRmAN HaTeR When the own character blatantly calls it a weakness

OP asks if he CAN.

So based on his high end showings, yes, he CAN

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Yeah, Dambo posted several, and I added some to support the notion he's extremely susceptible to magic but fanboys will outright ignore that and label you as an SuPeRmAN HaTeR When the own character blatantly calls it a weakness

So you don't understand English on a junior high level. Gotcha.

Guys look at the most recent Justice League comic, he isn't tanking the blast without an amp. Madame Xanadu shows us exactly why. First Thunder shows us exactly why.

Yes but we're respecting the OPs wording.

Originally posted by Stoic
Guys look at the most recent Justice League comic, he isn't tanking the blast without an amp. Madame Xanadu shows us exactly why. First Thunder shows us exactly why.

my point exactly

If he's amped I can see him doing the same, but the OP doesn't mention this. I assumed a base unamplified Superman operating under optimal conditions, which is a base level Kal El.

yeah

Originally posted by Stoic
If he's amped I can see him doing the same, but the OP doesn't mention this. I assumed a base unamplified Superman operating under optimal conditions, which is a base level Kal El.

Base unamped Superman HAS in fact tanked magical blasts (as Abhi showed).

So yes, he CAN. Would he do it for the majority, or 100% of the time? No.

But OP merely asks for the possibility. Can he? And based on his history, yes he can.

I asked if he can tank a magical blast AMPED from the level of Odin.

Does Gungnir amp Odin? By the by, as my point still stands.

I mean... yeah lol

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
I asked if he can tank a magical blast AMPED from the level of Odin.

Hold up. Can you explain the terms of the OP fully? I'm about to agree with DS, and delta.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
my point exactly

could you provide the scans btw

Well for a start in your scan, Odin doesn't have Gungnir lmao.

I asked if Superman can replicate what Thanos did.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Well for a start in your scan, Odin doesn't have Gungnir lmao.

DS, in that particular comic, Odin barely assaults the Surfer, and Max and he nearly kills them. This is one of the reasons that I can't see him no selling it. Thanos on the other hand is extremely resistant to magic which is another reason. Superman himself says that he's vulnerable to magic is a third reason. I understand why you're saying that he can, because he has, but just not most of the time.

Originally posted by Stoic
DS, in that particular comic, Odin barely assaults the Surfer, and Max and he nearly kills them. This is one of the reasons that I can't see him no selling it. Thanos on the other hand is extremely resistant to magic which is another reason. Superman himself says that he's vulnerable to magic is a third reason. I understand why you're saying that he can, because he has, but just not most of the time.

. Agreed with all points. All am saying is that it's perfectly feasible to say that he can, based on his high showings (and another reason why I said we should use his high showings, because I personally viewed what Thanos did as a high showing for Thanos, given Odin's power levels at the time of the comic).

It's simple.

Odin is a premier Skyfather. Primero Uno in Marvel, and in DC (ignoring abhi's hate boner which means he prob views Odin as a street tier lol.

Thanos lost to him - but only slightly. They were trading blows, duking it out, he was wading through Odin's Gungnir blasts. In other words, in this comic, Thanos had a high end showing.

No one can dispute that. It is definitely not a low end showing for Thanos or Odin (lmao), and it's not an average showing for Thanos (otherwise you all are saying on average Thanos is equal to the highest end Skyfather).

If we used Thanos' low showings, like some in this thread are doing for Superman, then no, Thanos can't do what Thanos did in that comic. If we used his AVERAGE showings, Thanos can't do what Thanos did. Imagine War Machine, or random spears/axes etc.*

We must use his high showings.

And so, we should use Superman's high end showings. Which say that yes, he can replicate Thanos' performance here.




*Please don't spam me with context this and context that, I am fully aware of them. My point is that we shouldn't use low showings as proof.

before he became an AOD, he was a Prime Eternal (after beating his father). Prime Eternals are near or at Skyfather level when they go all out.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
I asked if Superman can replicate what Thanos did.

So for you to ask this, then only post low showings of Superman, shows you both don't understand junior high level English (or you would have worded it differently, unless you're just lying) and you have a hate boner for Superman. Maybe that's why you're looking to have sub junior high level English, not enough blood flow to the brain. Not that there's much for blood to fill, but I digress.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
before he became an AOD, he was a Prime Eternal (after beating his father). Prime Eternals are near or at Skyfather level when they go all out.

Even assuming what you say is true, being 'near or at' Skyfather level, especially when going all out, =/= being near the highest of the high Skyfathers. So my point still stands.

Except that Thanos resisted forces that were greater than what Galactus can hit with. It hurt him, but he was able to rise from the assault. I'm referring to his run-in with Omega the Cosmic Thanosi (I think that was his name?). Unless weakened, Thanos has always been one of the most all around durable characters in comics.

Originally posted by Stoic
Except that Thanos resisted forces that were greater than what Galactus can hit with. It hurt him, but he was able to rise from the assault. I'm referring to his run-in with Omega the Cosmic Thanosi (I think that was his name?). Unless weakened, Thanos has always been one of the most all around durable characters in comics.

Not disagreeing - but so what?

Does this mean, IYO, that he's just below the highest Skyfather in Marvel on average? Think of ALL his showings, not just high - his lows, too. Does that average out to being on 1990s Odin level?

IOW - is this showing an AVERAGE showing for Thanos (taking into account his lows, being arrested by the NYPD and all lol).

That's a normal showing for Thanos.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
That's a normal showing for Thanos.

It can't be. You said yourself that when going all out, he'd only be near or at Skyfather level.

Whereas Odin is sitting pretty at the top. He'd beat the crap out of the lower rungs of that tier, any character at the top of the pile would do the same with the bottom. And this would be Thanos when he's going all out, and ignoring all his low showings.

I'm talking durability wise, Thanos literally tanked a galaxy busting attack on his death bed.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85


IOW - is this showing an AVERAGE showing for Thanos (taking into account his lows, being arrested by the NYPD and all lol).

Wasn't that non Canon? Or is there a canon comic where that happens? I actually wouldn't be surprised if it happened in canon. Cocaine is a Helluva drug.

Originally posted by Delta1938
Wasn't that non Canon? Or is there a canon comic where that happens? I actually wouldn't be surprised if it happened in canon. Cocaine is a Helluva drug.

Probably noncanon, was merely the first that popped into my head. Could've stuck with random barbarian spear/axes.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Probably noncanon, was merely the first that popped into my head. Could've stuck with random barbarian spear/axes.

I don't know about random barbarian but a random space mercenary cut him with an axe. Maybe both happened?

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
I'm talking durability wise, Thanos literally tanked a galaxy busting attack on his death bed.

So you are saying he has no low showings, durability wise?

Originally posted by Delta1938
I don't know about random barbarian but a random space mercenary cut him with an axe. Maybe both happened?

That's the one! Anyway, like I said - a low showing which would be ignored.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Not disagreeing - but so what?

Does this mean, IYO, that he's just below the highest Skyfather in Marvel on average? Think of ALL his showings, not just high - his lows, too. Does that average out to being on 1990s Odin level?

IOW - is this showing an AVERAGE showing for Thanos (taking into account his lows, being arrested by the NYPD and all lol).

The arrested by the NYPD wasn't canon lol. But unless in a weakened state, like he was during Annihilation, Thanos' power levels were always on the rise. Before gaining the power of TOAA, Starlin was going to place him at levels that were above Sky Father. I always saw him as having universal level durability. I would've definitely given him the win over Odin in his later showings when he had the power to summon the dead while battling Annihulk. This was all a part of Starlin's plan. You didn't notice that Thanos got several upgrades over the past 25yrs?

I'm saying Superman isn't Thanos, Thanos is resistant to magic, Superman isn't. Thanos IS THAT durable, Superman isn't. Re read Dambo and my scans, They were posted for a reason. There's too many instances of magic overwhelming superman, I would spam some but im out. Also Marvel's version of Odin is > than DC's, magic works differently in the MU, and Rune Magic can actually affect those that are supposedly immune to magic.

Even in JLA/Avengers, it showed that magic works very differently in DC than it does in Marvel.

In DC, there are very few Rune Magic users. Lucifer is one of them. In Marvel, standard Asgardian Magic is based on Rune Magic. That's what makes it so powerful compared to the magic used by guys like Dr. Strange or Mordu. Rune Magic uses the "True Name" of the target/object/person it's cast on to change, destroy, transmute, drain, etc. the target. It bypasses all forms of Magic Resistance.

Originally posted by Stoic
The arrested by the NYPD wasn't canon lol. But unless in a weakened state, like he was during Annihilation, Thanos' power levels were always on the rise. Before gaining the power of TOAA, Starlin was going to place him at levels that were above Sky Father. I always saw him as having universal level durability. I would've definitely given him the win over Odin in his later showings when he had the power to summon the dead while battling Annihulk. This was all a part of Starlin's plan. You didn't notice that Thanos got several upgrades over the past 25yrs?

But I am talking about the time Odin faced Thanos, in 1994 (think the space merc showing was around that time). And even if your point was pertinent (about the 25 years of upgrades), War Machine and BP still managed to hurt him.

My point is still standing. Thanos' lows drag his average down, to the point that we can't say he's just below 1990s top-tier Odin level. That showing with Odin is a high end showing for Thanos, a good showing.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
I'm saying Superman isn't Thanos, Thanos is resistant to magic, Superman isn't. Thanos IS THAT durable, Superman isn't. Re read Dambo and my scans, They were posted for a reason. There's too many instances of magic overwhelming superman, I would spam some but im out. Also Marvel's version of Odin is > than DC's, magic works differently in the MU, and Rune Magic can actually affect those that are supposedly immune to magic.

Even in JLA/Avengers, it showed that magic works very differently in DC than it does in Marvel.

In DC, there are very few Rune Magic users. Lucifer is one of them. In Marvel, standard Asgardian Magic is based on Rune Magic. That's what makes it so powerful compared to the magic used by guys like Dr. Strange or Mordu. Rune Magic uses the "True Name" of the target/object/person it's cast on to change, destroy, transmute, drain, etc. the target. It bypasses all forms of Magic Resistance.

Thanos has been hurt by far less than what Odin did. THAT'S my point. You using average or low showings for Superman and a high showing for Thanos is wrong, both for you and Dambo.

It's a high end showing for Thanos, so we should use high end showings for Superman.

Edited for clarity.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But I am talking about the time Odin faced Thanos, in 1994 (think the space merc showing was around that time). And even if your point was pertinent (about the 25 years of upgrades), War Machine and BP still managed to hurt him.

My point is still standing. Thanos' lows drag his average down, to the point that we can't say he's just below 1990s top-tier Odin level. That showing with Odin is a high end showing for Thanos, a good showing.

True. The idea that Thanos was affected by those guys does lower his durability rating significantly.

It's a showing for Thanos regardless, that doesn't apply to Supes. Supes need to show that he can TANK that level of magic from a High tier Odin level being without being amped or sort. JLA/Avengers alone debunks the notion that Superman "PoWeRs" through it

Let's use Thor. He rarely uses Rune Magic, he knows enough of it to actually use it to beat guys that have beaten and/or wrecked opponents like Supes (in that instance it was Terminus). Thor specifically used it against an amped up version of Terminus (the one w/ 4 or more arms). Base Terminus EASILY wrecked/beat Supes even though GL, WW, Aquaman, and other JL members were teaming up against Terminus. The weapons systems of Terminus' armor and lance are so advanced that they can etch words on Earth's moon while Terminus us several hundred light years away.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
It's a showing for Thanos regardless, that doesn't apply to Supes. Supes need to show that he can TANK that level of magic from a High tier Odin level being without being amped or sort. JLA/Avengers alone debunks the notion that Superman "PoWeRs" through it

See Abhi's scans.

And again you're using low/average showings.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
I'm saying Superman isn't Thanos, Thanos is resistant to magic, Superman isn't. Thanos IS THAT durable, Superman isn't. Re read Dambo and my scans, They were posted for a reason. There's too many instances of magic overwhelming superman, I would spam some but im out. Also Marvel's version of Odin is > than DC's, magic works differently in the MU, and Rune Magic can actually affect those that are supposedly immune to magic.

Even in JLA/Avengers, it showed that magic works very differently in DC than it does in Marvel.

In DC, there are very few Rune Magic users. Lucifer is one of them. In Marvel, standard Asgardian Magic is based on Rune Magic. That's what makes it so powerful compared to the magic used by guys like Dr. Strange or Mordu. Rune Magic uses the "True Name" of the target/object/person it's cast on to change, destroy, transmute, drain, etc. the target. It bypasses all forms of Magic Resistance.

So first off you never had honest intent about the topic. You just wanted to rub your Superman hate hard on. Otherwise you wouldn't be focusing on low showings and would acknowledge his feats. But you yourself brought up JLA/AVENGERS and how magick is treated differently.....it was straight up said magick in DC is more powerful.

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So you rag on Superman's poor showings against magick then bring up a comic that says it's more powerful in DC to.....prove your point?

This is Thor on Earth's Moon using Rune Magic to restrain that version of Terminus that was on Earth btw:

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-6qna8kJy_ic/Ttvb4uIR1YI/AAAAAAAAKAA/oII3tVigbN0/s1600/term%2Bav%2B3.jpg?fbclid=IwAR0S3HeCiJUuC-BOBMSRc_5rV9yvJ3xEH0lq0YlgB2Ngz0Az2VkDueRVccM

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Let's use Thor. He rarely uses Rune Magic, he knows enough of it to actually use it to beat guys that have beaten and/or wrecked opponents like Supes (in that instance it was Terminus). Thor specifically used it against an amped up version of Terminus (the one w/ 4 or more arms). Base Terminus EASILY wrecked/beat Supes even though GL, WW, Aquaman, and other JL members were teaming up against Terminus. The weapons systems of Terminus' armor and lance are so advanced that they can etch words on Earth's moon while Terminus us several hundred light years away.

Irrelevant.

You have to ignore EVERY single showing of magic affecting Superman, and ONLY use showings where he's tanking magic.

Only if there are ZERO showings, can you say that he can't tank magic. Because the question is CAN he, not WILL he.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
at the anti superman brigade saying he gets flattened. Like most have said if the magic vulnerability comes into play he gets hurt but not much. Without that Superman tanks it like Thanos did.

Words of wisdom, Alberto and JBL are hiding from these points

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Irrelevant.

You have to ignore EVERY single showing of magic affecting Superman, and ONLY use showings where he's tanking magic.

Only if there are ZERO showings, can you say that he can't tank magic. Because the question is CAN he, not WILL he.

Were those magic on Odin level?
Were they RUNE magic?

To use my fav analogies, boxers:

CAN Tyson in his prime beat Ali(in his prime)? Sure, it's definitely possible. Can't really debate that. Low chance, perhaps, IYO, but he can do it.

WOULD he? Ah, now THAT'S debatable.

So as per the thread, CAN Superman do it? Yes, of course he can.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
To use my fav analogies, boxers:

CAN Tyson in his prime beat Ali(in his prime)? Sure, it's definitely possible. Can't really debate that. Low chance, perhaps, IYO, but he can do it.

WOULD he? Ah, now THAT'S debatable.

So as per the thread, CAN Superman do it? Yes, of course he can.

Off topic a bit, but Ali said that Tyson in his prime would've probably beaten him in his prime.

Originally posted by Stoic
Off topic a bit, but Ali said that Tyson in his prime would've probably beaten him in his prime.



IOW, he CAN, doesn't mean he WOULD.

As it is in this thread. Superman CAN, doesn't mean he would.

How is boxing relevant to this topic?

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
How is boxing relevant to this topic?

So you don't comprehend analogies too.

https://i.postimg.cc/zVjrFjJ6/2tet87.jpg

It's always great to have obsessed comic weirdos on my wave. unfortunately big dogs don't acknowledge lesser pups. Maybe when You start getting stuff right i'll DECIDE if your worth ALBERTOS time child

I notice that's what it comes with when you're right like majority of the time, keep talking about me LMFAO make me continue to debunk the super wank

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
https://i.postimg.cc/zVjrFjJ6/2tet87.jpg

It's always great to have obsessed comic weirdos on my wave. unfortunately big dogs don't acknowledge lesser pups. Maybe when You start getting stuff right i'll DECIDE if your worth ALBERTOS time child

I notice that's what it comes with when you're right like majority of the time, keep talking about me LMFAO make me continue to debunk the super wank

You said I was just doing ad hominem when I asked if you're autistic. I was asking a legitimate question. This response is one of the reasons I believe you are. You have such arrogance and think you're so great at debating despite being such a subpar debater. You're like someone who because he's allowed in neighborhood watch, you suddenly think you're a top Delta Force Operator. I can only think of such a high level of confidence while utterly oblivious to your lack of skill as you're from the Participation Trophy generation..... except you're too old. Well I doubt they started giving participation trophies to normal kids, so.....

And I pointed out you don't understand analogies. You ignore it, maybe because you realize you don't. If you understood what analogies were, something we start being taught in preschool, you wouldn't ask why boxing is relevant to the topic. Boxing itself isn't, just this particular example of a hypothetical matchup was brought up because it's an analogy to explain how utterly failed you've been in your own thread. Whether it was made dishonestly or you just don't understand what "can" means, you omega drone.

Originally posted by Delta1938
So you don't comprehend analogies too. well he is a guy that thought a thunderclap was a knuckle Crack.

man wrote a whole paragraph as if i'm gonna read it. just like my ex chick, always come back every 3 months to get my attention.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
https://i.postimg.cc/zVjrFjJ6/2tet87.jpg

It's always great to have obsessed comic weirdos on my wave. unfortunately big dogs don't acknowledge lesser pups. Maybe when You start getting stuff right i'll DECIDE if your worth ALBERTOS time child

I notice that's what it comes with when you're right like majority of the time, keep talking about me LMFAO make me continue to debunk the super wank

Everyone here views you as a moronic troll and we constantly laugh about you on the off topic thread.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
man wrote a whole paragraph as if i'm gonna read it. just like my ex chick, always come back every 3 months to get my attention.

By your ex, are you talking about your right hand or left?

Originally posted by Delta1938
You said I was just doing ad hominem when I asked if you're autistic. I was asking a legitimate question. This response is one of the reasons I believe you are. You have such arrogance and think you're so great at debating despite being such a subpar debater. You're like someone who because he's allowed in neighborhood watch, you suddenly think you're a top Delta Force Operator. I can only think of such a high level of confidence while utterly oblivious to your lack of skill as you're from the Participation Trophy generation..... except you're too old. Well I doubt they started giving participation trophies to normal kids, so.....

And I pointed out you don't understand analogies. You ignore it, maybe because you realize you don't. If you understood what analogies were, something we start being taught in preschool, you wouldn't ask why boxing is relevant to the topic. Boxing itself isn't, just this particular example of a hypothetical matchup was brought up because it's an analogy to explain how utterly failed you've been in your own thread. Whether it was made dishonestly or you just don't understand what "can" means, you omega drone.

spot on.

Originally posted by BrolyBlack
Everyone here views you as a moronic troll and we constantly laugh about you on the off topic thread.

problem is I don't care what anybody views me as, I'm one of THE top debaters here, and that's a fact whether you like it or not. Now go talk about me more in Rao's mind thread with your comic buddies like the loser you are. Make more more relevant while I enjoy the sunshine

Ok Albert

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
problem is I don't care what anybody views me as, I'm one of THE top debaters here, and that's a fact whether you like it or not. Now go talk about me more in Rao's mind thread with your comic buddies like the loser you are. Make more more relevant while I enjoy the sunshine

If you're one of the top debaters here, why did you post this?

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Thor's def high herald, but Hank striking should be on par with a base Superman.
There was a vault that Superman couldn't break and Cyborg Supes smashed through it effortlessly. This was Pre OWAW, but also a weaker Henshaw

https://i.postimg.cc/yJGFDHQD/6936681-superman-vol-2-78.jpg

You argue Cyborg-Superman's striking power, by posting his hacking the vault lock?

Originally posted by Stoic
Off topic a bit, but Ali said that Tyson in his prime would've probably beaten him in his prime. Tyson may have said that but it doesn't guarantee that is what would have happened, Joe Frazier gave Ali his toughest fights ( Ken Norton did as well ) and Tyson from his style and built was a much more powerful Joe Frazier, but I always maintained that neither man would've never defeated Ali before his 3 year lay off ( which I refer to as the 1st Ali ) But on topic........Superman definitely tanks it as well.

Originally posted by lawest9
Tyson may have said that but it doesn't guarantee that is what would have happened, Joe Frazier gave Ali his toughest fights ( Ken Norton did as well ) and Tyson from his style and built was a much more powerful Joe Frazier, but I always maintained that neither man would've never defeated Ali before his 3 year lay off ( which I refer to as the 1st Ali ) But on topic........Superman definitely tanks it as well.

Out of curiosity, was the layoff because of his fight with Inoki?

Originally posted by Delta1938
Out of curiosity, was the layoff because of his fight with Inoki? The reason for the 3 year ban was that his boxing license was suspended because he refused to go into the armed forces because of his religious beliefs, he was drafted by United States Army.

Originally posted by lawest9
The reason for the 3 year ban was that his boxing license was suspended because he refused to go into the armed forces because of his religious beliefs, he was drafted by United States Army.

Oh that. I thought he was out a while after his legs got ****ed up by Inoki. He almost died from that, although that's also because his religious beliefs had him refuse surgery to fix the clouts. I read people place that as him not being the same, that he didn't perform the same after.

Originally posted by lawest9
The reason for the 3 year ban was that his boxing license was suspended because he refused to go into the armed forces because of his religious beliefs, he was drafted by United States Army.

well, not quite his religious beliefs, but:

GOAT

I notice Superman fanboys always derail from the main subject when they're getting bodied, PR told you dudes multiple times to stop getting off topic. Idc about Ali or Tyson, and still not sure how they correlate to Superman and Odin. I've yet to see a single scan as to how Superman is resisting the level of rune magic from Odin

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
well, not quite his religious beliefs, but: Oh but I maintain that the excuses given by him in that quote did have much to do with his religious beliefs, you see the Nation of Islam ( the black muslim movement here in America ) primary doctrine was based off of a major distrust of white America, I studied their doctrine and belief.

I could say a lot more about it but that would be off topic for this thread.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
I notice Superman fanboys always derail from the main subject when they're getting bodied, PR told you dudes multiple times to stop getting off topic. Idc about Ali or Tyson, and still not sure how they correlate to Superman and Odin. I've yet to see a single scan as to how Superman is resisting the level of rune magic from Odin

Specific hypothetical boxing match had been used as an analogy. Though it did end up going off topic, but after you proved you don't understand what an analogy is.

Multiple examples, both with and without scans, have been given. So either you're lying, ignorant, or just glossing over posts that destroy you.

You'll probably in fear not reply to this even if you've read it. But keep saying you're the top in CAG. A reference you wouldn't understand even if explained.

Well it's a bait thread, so not sure what the mods can do. If we're reported for going off topic, it's because the OP has created a bait/spite thread.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Probably noncanon, was merely the first that popped into my head. Could've stuck with random barbarian spear/axes. it was from a electric company using marvel in a promotion comic lol.

He is the best debasor.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Well it's a bait thread, so not sure what the mods can do. If we're reported for going off topic, it's because the OP has created a bait/spite thread.

I thought I'd make an argument based on using AJA's own arguments against him. In his BZ he's reping Doctor Fate and Alan Scott. Let's take his descriptions at face value.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil


Dr fate' s power is felt In two universes
https://imgur.com/a/PpFqUX6

Easily manhandles two multiversal threats
https://imgur.com/a/mxRXZJ8

https://imgur.com/a/TwvKByS

Survived getting slammed through an infinity amount of dimensions
https://imgur.com/a/RQM7ZC1

https://imgur.com/a/uyY1C0B

Spectre confirmed fate's his equal during pre crisis
https://imgur.com/a/Oc3Nbcg

Who's mere aura warps the multiverse
https://imgur.com/a/LPuGxLq

Eclipso who stole mere fragments of the starheart from Alan killed crispus Allen
https://imgur.com/a/GxsrIHV

https://imgur.com/a/3aj0Sak

https://imgur.com/a/9IpjZyx

Crispus Allen while greatly weakened warps reality on a multiversal scale
https://imgur.com/a/LBidjZA

And easily undo his action
https://imgur.com/a/oCJI24I

When Cain said creation he was referring to multiverse
https://imgur.com/a/rYSz0zD

Summary: my has future knowledge on the other team's strategy
And thus my team could easily counter or avoid any attack unleashed by team Thor
Both alan and Dr fate a way more faster and powerful at least multiversal + as I showcase
Supermutant will have to prove his attacks would work on beings on that level or we'll just consider it a no limit fallacy
Till then I rest my case here

For Doctor Fate he shows Fate's power being felt in two universes, "easily manhandles two multiverse threats," his words, survives being slammed through infinite dimensions, and being confirmed by Spectre as Corrigan Spectre's equal (before his powers weakened). Then showing Spectre's aura threatened the multiverse.

He also seems to be arguing Ecpliso with s fraction of Alan's power killed Crispus Spectre, and this Spectre while weekend fixed the multiverse. Arguing both are multiverse plus in power. The feats he gave for Doctor Fate are what I would expect for high end feats for Odin.

Well, who is someone Superman has taken the mystical blasts of? Mordru.

https://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i436/KMCPhilosophia/supesmordrumagic1.jpg

https://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i436/KMCPhilosophia/supesmordrumagic2.jpg

Argue all you want about he attacked after Kinetix blasted Mordru, he still is fine after. How powerful is Mordru? Well remember all those feats AJA gave for Doctor Fate and Eclipso killing Spectre with a fragment of the Starheart(remember taking AJA at face value)? Mordru wreck Doctor Fate. After Fate amped himself on energy from both Alan and Hal. And this was Mordru at half power.

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-7JMHE4YO6oo/VuKUuqyS-vI/AAAAAAAAOSU/_jXhcu8aQeko1Ux673krixb9UV14H8yOQCCo/s1600-Ic42/RCO008.jpg

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But wait..... there's more!! It wasn't actually Mordru, but his astral projection.

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-FXTpMrmG0V8/VuKU8f9iHLI/AAAAAAAAOVI/yNDjr2eEE0AZjuiC6AECGWIjMReMXS6KACCo/s1600-Ic42/RCO004.jpg

So the astral projection of a half powered Mordru casually wrecked a double amped Doctor Fate, which at base AJA argued is multiverse plus level, one he's amped on was Alan Scott who AJA also argued multiverse plus level, and Superman took the blast of a full powered real Mordru. Not counting it took a thousand sorcerers, the least of which was as powerful as Fate, to weaken him(but could be hyperbole). But that's not something Odin level?

And AJA argued in this very thread how even JLA/AVENGERS says magick is different in the two universes.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
I'm saying Superman isn't Thanos, Thanos is resistant to magic, Superman isn't. Thanos IS THAT durable, Superman isn't. Re read Dambo and my scans, They were posted for a reason. There's too many instances of magic overwhelming superman, I would spam some but im out. Also Marvel's version of Odin is > than DC's, magic works differently in the MU, and Rune Magic can actually affect those that are supposedly immune to magic.


Even in JLA/Avengers, it showed that magic works very differently in DC than it does in Marvel.

In DC, there are very few Rune Magic users. Lucifer is one of them. In Marvel, standard Asgardian Magic is based on Rune Magic. That's what makes it so powerful compared to the magic used by guys like Dr. Strange or Mordu. Rune Magic uses the "True Name" of the target/object/person it's cast on to change, destroy, transmute, drain, etc. the target. It bypasses all forms of Magic Resistance.

Granted he goes on a long explanation that looks like he's making excuses for ignoring Superman's feats. The problem with his argument outside that is he explicitly brings up JLA/AVENGERS which says magick is more powerful in DC.

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/JLrZdb- T8rqHBMB9VvXOFHg3l4Q7wN_5DXnJz4rkRAJmsmwRQpFQbXHp_
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So a canon source he cites contradicts his argument.

But hey, whatever to downgrade Superman, amiright?

Originally posted by Delta1938
I brought that up because YOU used it previously as an example of him against edged weapons, and checked it and found it legit. And DarkSaint was making a specific argument about averages to show why he thought the Odin fight was a high showing, and trying to remember something, so I pointed it out.

But.....why is it relevant how many he fought? Is his durability fueled by an energy source and he merely ran low? I'm not sure why him fighting so much would lower his durability unless his powers work like Superman in regards to being a battery that can run out.

Wassup Delta.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Wassup Delta.

Hi brat.

Got that right