Can sundipped Superman damage Adamantium?

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lawest9
For the inpatient bare with me please for these sundipped Supes threads, but I couldn't resist the idea, same set of circumstances when he flew through 7 suns to clock WF, only this time it is an Adamantium wall 10 ft. tall and 12 ft. wide, purely made of Adamantium, can he bust through it or damage it?

LordofBrooklyn
ABSOLUTELY!!!

If The Hulk can dent adamantium then Superman can exceed that feat!

deft
Easily.

StiltmanFTW
Clark dies trying.

LordofBrooklyn
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Clark dies trying.

THE HOUSE OF EL WILL CLAIM YOUR SOUL, HERETIC!!!

CatL18
YES.
Why can't he?
Sun dipped Superman one-punched above multiversal being.
I don't think Adamantium's durability is above multiversal.

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
THE HOUSE OF EL WILL CLAIM YOUR SOUL, HERETIC!!!

I am soulless.

TheHulkster
Originally posted by CatL18
YES.
Why can't he?
Sun dipped Superman one-punched above multiversal being.
I don't think Adamantium's durability is above multiversal.

Neither is the above multiversal being's.

CatL18
Originally posted by TheHulkster
Neither is the above multiversal being's.
World Forger is above multiversal being,isn't he?
He even created Hypertime.

qwertyuiop1998
Originally posted by CatL18
World Forger is above multiversal being,isn't he?
He even created Hypertime. And the DC main multiverse, Dark multiverse which is an ocean compared to the DC main multiverse thumb up

carver9
Originally posted by TheHulkster
Neither is the above multiversal being's.

Exactly

TheHulkster
Originally posted by CatL18
World Forger is above multiversal being,isn't he?
He even created Hypertime.

The power emitted when he strikes his anvil is multiversal. That doesn't mean his physical durability is equal to that. Franklin Richards has normal human strength and durability, yet he is is at least universal and multiversal when mature.

CatL18
Originally posted by TheHulkster
The power emitted when he strikes his anvil is multiversal. That doesn't mean his physical durability is equal to that. Franklin Richards has normal human strength and durability, yet he is is at least universal and multiversal when mature.
Even World Forger hugely depowerd in 3rd dimension could endure Perpetua's attack.
And, WF in 6th dimension is confirmed to be stronger than Mr Mxy.
I don't doubt that full power WF is multiversal in durability too.

Diesldude

Quick Freeze
Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
THE HOUSE OF EL WILL CLAIM YOUR SOUL, HERETIC!!! Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
I am soulless.

Lmfao laughing out loud
Why did i take such a long break from you hilarious degenerates?

lawest9
You think Superman at his basic level can damage Adamantium?

Adam Grimes
Yes.

Philosophía
Normal Superman would break adamantium.

lawest9
Bump

Stoic
Without a doubt. IMHO Without the dip he walks around at high herald to low trans levels. With mental blocks fully on, he could drop to low herald levels to avoid seriously injuring his opponent. Those levels aren't quite enough. Sun-dipped blows by pretty much any powerhouse of a character that has a hard static power level. He physically destroyed a megaverse with his punch. It had billions or more of planets, life, and pretty much anything that a full formed reality contains. It was World Forgers creation. At first I missed it, but it's there. Superman at certain levels could eat a plate of adamantium like a regular person eats spaghetti. That's how he's always been written.

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
If The Hulk can dent adamantium

https://i.ibb.co/yytv23T/banner01.png

DarkSaint85
https://static2.cbrimages.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/SMUPSKY-6-2.jpg

ShadowFyre
Sundipped Superman could probably walk through Adamantium.

I don't think regular Superman could do it without great effort. Like he could for sure dent it. And if you have him a metal slab he wouldn't be able to just rip it casually. But I think he could do it like say a strong man rips a phone book in half?

Does that make sense? Like you ever break a hanger? You keep bending it back and forth until the metal weakens? I think that's about how he would have to do it.

Diesldude

ShadowFyre
Not gonna lie. Kerenthium steel is weak sauce. Adamantium is far stronger. A black hole made it? Big whoop. Multiple heralds have survived black holes and they are not more durable than adamantium.

That scan isn't helping Superman. In fact, it makes the case for him because he struggled so hard to break something weaker than Adamantium.

Also I would like to point out that an inverted black hole would be pushing things apart. Not wtf ever the writer thinks it's doing.

DarkSaint85
Pointing out that Magneto - who, whilst powerful, isn't a herald, not is at the level of a black hole - has successfully pulled adamantium apart smile

Philosophía
Originally posted by ShadowFyre
Not gonna lie. Kerenthium steel is weak sauce. Kerenthium is used to haul Suns across the galaxy and is the strongest metal in the Universe. The weight of a single sun has pinned Hulk down, the strongest herald in Marvel, helplessly:

https://i.ibb.co/1Xm7rFw/main-qimg-5f4033decb7aa6ba0cd616eed73989f2.png https://i.ibb.co/k3VJpt0/main-qimg-ea5124817d3e93703d4e797767edadaf.png

The kerenthium is orders of magnitude (10^x, in case you're unaware what it means) above simple sun-weight supporting, considering it moves the stars at massively faster than lightspeed across entire galaxies, and Superman broke the chains with one hand each.

Superman would literally chew adamantium and rape Hulk while he'd be holding him down with his pinky.

DarkSaint85
Also pointing out that the Superman in my scans wasn't sunamped smile

TheHulkster
Hyperbole. Kerenthium was created for that particular book for the sole purpose of Superman breaking it. It's not comparable to a 40 plus years old established item.

The Crimson Bands of Cyttorak are labeled as unbreakable and Hulk breaks them easier.

Parmaniac
I'm more curious about how that inverted black hole is supposed to look like. lol

Diesldude
Originally posted by TheHulkster
Hyperbole. Kerenthium was created for that particular book for the sole purpose of Superman breaking it. It's not comparable to a 40 plus years old established item.

The Crimson Bands of Cyttorak are labeled as unbreakable and Hulk breaks them easier. Nope the sole purpose wasn't to show superman breaking it, but to show superman doesnt know what unbreakable means.

And how is, it is the strongest metal in in the universe and it is used to haul stars (plural) across galaxies(plural) again hyperbole?


Strange is know to speak in hyperbole and the bands have been broken by many in the past. But these chains are unbreakable and it is clearly stated in the comic why.

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by Parmaniac
I'm more curious about how that inverted black hole is supposed to look like. lol

Like Gecko's anus, probably.

MrMind
Gecko's anus is loose, can confirm

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by TheHulkster
Hyperbole. Kerenthium was created for that particular book for the sole purpose of Superman breaking it. It's not comparable to a 40 plus years old established item.

The Crimson Bands of Cyttorak are labeled as unbreakable and Hulk breaks them easier.

It's called a retcon. It wasn't just invented within that story, the dialogue makes it clear that it's a standard material that's used to haul stars on the regular.

JBL
He might dent it a little, but you wouldn't be able to tell.

celeyhyga17
Superman can bend, dent, chip, damage, or break adamantium.
Unbreakable things were meant to be broken in comics.

AlbertoJohnAvil
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
https://static2.cbrimages.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/SMUPSKY-6-2.jpg

lol is that actually canon? If It is, than that's insane

qwertyuiop1998
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
lol is that actually canon? If It is, than that's insane It is, The only reason doubting it isn't canon was due to Kents are still alive, But in DDC we've seen kents are alive, Kents also reappearing in recent Superman Villains preview
https://ibb.co/XYD3dzN
https://ibb.co/vZgBny0

AlbertoJohnAvil
Oh damn lol. would that count as a striking or lifting feat?

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Oh damn lol. would that count as a striking or lifting feat?

Haha read the issue, it gets even crazier in terms of feats. It's basically written by abhi lmao

AlbertoJohnAvil
You dont think Hulk could replicate it?

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
You dont think Hulk could replicate it?
Not the showings in that issue, no.

AlbertoJohnAvil
Oh I'm talkking about the Kerenthium feat. I was wondering why nobody's been talking about it until now.

TheHulkster
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
It's called a retcon. It wasn't just invented within that story, the dialogue makes it clear that it's a standard material that's used to haul stars on the regular.

It was created by the writer for that scene; to job to Superman. I thought it was clear I wasn't talking about it's DC in universe origins. Anyhow, the metal is forged using force. Save for magic and matter manipulation, isn't primary adamantium unforgeable?

DarkSaint85
Magneto didn't matter manip or use magic. EM forces - one of the four fundamental forces - shaped it just fine

TheHulkster
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Magneto didn't matter manip or use magic. EM forces - one of the four fundamental forces - shaped it just fine

It says that he destablizes it at the molecular level.

https://imgur.com/a/mCEdlWx

h1a8

h1a8
https://static2.cbrimages.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/SMUPSKY-6-2.jpg

This has to be the 3rd greatest strength feat in comic history, next to the Braniac OWAW feat and Prime rearranging the universe.

To accelerate a star to millions of times the speed of light in a reasonable amount of time (to another galaxy) takes a force more than a billion times the weight of a star. Hell probably more weight than the milky way galaxy.

TheHulkster
That it can be forged using pure force would appear to place it below primary adamantium.

SquallX
Originally posted by TheHulkster
That it can be forged using pure force would appear to place it below primary adamantium.

And how is Adamantium shaped again?

TheHulkster
Originally posted by h1a8
https://static2.cbrimages.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/SMUPSKY-6-2.jpg

This has to be the 3rd greatest strength feat in comic history, next to the Braniac OWAW feat and Prime rearranging the universe.

To accelerate a star to millions of times the speed of light in a reasonable amount of time (to another galaxy) takes a force more than a billion times the weight of a star. Hell probably more weight than the milky way galaxy.

Hyperion holding two universes apart is greater.

TheHulkster
Originally posted by SquallX
And how is Adamantium shaped again?

It's shaped in its original liquid form.

h1a8
Originally posted by TheHulkster
That it can be forged using pure force would appear to place it below primary adamantium.

But adamantium can be forged using pure force. Hulk dented it.

h1a8
Originally posted by TheHulkster
Hyperion holding two universes apart is greater.

He didn't hold two universes apart. He held two planets apart. The universe got destroyed but still two worlds apart he held.

TheHulkster
Originally posted by h1a8
He didn't hold two universes apart. He held two planets apart. The universe got destroyed but still two worlds apart he held.

He holds apart that which Cap pushes away in this scene and is described by Reed.

https://imgur.com/a/CxZiOeF

TheHulkster
Originally posted by h1a8
But adamantium can be forged using pure force. Hulk dented it.

Not primary adamantium.

h1a8
Originally posted by TheHulkster
He holds apart that which Cap pushes away in this scene and is described by Reed.

https://imgur.com/a/CxZiOeF
So what is Cap pushing and how?
Answer this before I reply.

h1a8
Originally posted by TheHulkster
Not primary adamantium.

Of course it was primarily adamantium. That particular scene was never reconnected.
Also Cul broke Cap's shield using pure force. Do you want to say that primarily adamantium > Cap's shield?

AlbertoJohnAvil
Originally posted by h1a8
https://static2.cbrimages.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/SMUPSKY-6-2.jpg

This has to be the 3rd greatest strength feat in comic history, next to the Braniac OWAW feat and Prime rearranging the universe.

To accelerate a star to millions of times the speed of light in a reasonable amount of time (to another galaxy) takes a force more than a billion times the weight of a star. Hell probably more weight than the milky way galaxy.

Yeah... no

https://i.postimg.cc/mPXNzBsB/pel.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/Z9X8HHnQ/rah.jpg

AlbertoJohnAvil
It doesn't mention the speed used to move the stars

h1a8
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Yeah... no

https://i.postimg.cc/mPXNzBsB/pel.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/Z9X8HHnQ/rah.jpg

You can't prove that it took more than 100 tons of force.

h1a8
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
It doesn't mention the speed used to move the stars

It's a reasonable amount of time though. So we can low ball guess the speed (which I did).


For example, traveling at the speed of light will take 4 years to reach the nearest star, over 100,000 years to cross the milky way, and millions to billions of years to travel to other galaxies.
So traveling at 1 million times the speed of light will take you from 2 to thousands of years to reach another galaxy.

2 years is an unreasonable amount of time to transport things.

TheHulkster
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Yeah... no

https://i.postimg.cc/mPXNzBsB/pel.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/Z9X8HHnQ/rah.jpg

And this.

https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/6/69316/1755078-dptu883oroboroscps031.jpg

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by TheHulkster
He holds apart that which Cap pushes away in this scene and is described by Reed.

https://imgur.com/a/CxZiOeF

Except all he did was hold the planets apart for the briefest of time.

Unless you want to argue that the Earths he held apart were able to withstand Universal forces pressing on them.....

h1a8
Originally posted by TheHulkster
And this.

https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/6/69316/1755078-dptu883oroboroscps031.jpg

You can't prove that Thor exerted more than 100 tons in that scene.
Also, what did Surfer do in that scene, strength wise, that rivals what Superman did?

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
It doesn't mention the speed used to move the stars

What h1said.

If you're transporting things on the regular, you're not going to do it over the course of centuries lol.

Imagine placing an order then waiting for decades lol.

AlbertoJohnAvil
Originally posted by h1a8
You can't prove that it took more than 100 tons of force.

The "World Tree" is DIRECTLY connected to dimensions the size of universes.

here's the scan that explains that the engine and the tree are CONNECTED and that Thor is actually pushing against something using the WILL (force/power) of Yggdrasil.

https://imgur.com/gallery/w8EwJQ9

Also, a Curse Weakened Thor w/ a broken arm LIFTED the Midgard Serpent (who was in disguise). That feat alone is easily over several billion tons.

h1a8
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
The "World Tree" is DIRECTLY connected to dimensions the size of universes.

here's the scan that explains that the engine and the tree are CONNECTED and that Thor is actually pushing against something using the WILL (force/power) of Yggdrasil.

https://imgur.com/gallery/w8EwJQ9

Also, a Curse Weakened Thor w/ a broken arm LIFTED the Midgard Serpent (who was in disguise). That feat alone is easily over several billion tons.

It's magically connected, there is no physical object actually grabbing the Earth. There is no actual quantifiable way the force can be determined.

Even if it was 100% mechanically connected then Thor can still exert any amount of force depending on the lever system of the thing.

qwertyuiop1998
Originally posted by h1a8
https://static2.cbrimages.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/SMUPSKY-6-2.jpg

This has to be the 3rd greatest strength feat in comic history, next to the Braniac OWAW feat and Prime rearranging the universe.

To accelerate a star to millions of times the speed of light in a reasonable amount of time (to another galaxy) takes a force more than a billion times the weight of a star. Hell probably more weight than the milky way galaxy. How much force needs to take for pushing Braniac OWAW ship and rearraging the universe? No offense, Just genuinely curious

AlbertoJohnAvil
Originally posted by h1a8
It's a reasonable amount of time though. So we can low ball guess the speed (which I did).


For example, traveling at the speed of light will take 4 years to reach the nearest star, over 100,000 years to cross the milky way, and millions to billions of years to travel to other galaxies.
So traveling at 1 million times the speed of light will take you from 2 to thousands of years to reach another galaxy.

2 years is an unreasonable amount of time to transport things.

I get the logic but it's still a stretch. You don't know the size of the galaxies or how fast they're moving; you're making it up. You say "reasonable amount of time" but you don't know what's reasonable for the transporters; you're making it up to support your point. They could be fine waiting centuries. They could not. You don't know.

AlbertoJohnAvil
In fact, moving stars at the speed you're suggesting would be catastrophic to anything remotely near its path and probably destroy the star. So they would have to be moving exponentially slower.
See. It's easy to make things up to support your own point.

TheHulkster
Originally posted by h1a8
You can't prove that Thor exerted more than 100 tons in that scene.
Also, what did Surfer do in that scene, strength wise, that rivals what Superman did?

Tossing a star?

https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/6/69316/1755077-dptu883oroboroscps029.jpg

h1a8
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
I get the logic but it's still a stretch. You don't know the size of the galaxies or how fast they're moving; you're making it up. You say "reasonable amount of time" but you don't know what's reasonable for the transporters; you're making it up to support your point. They could be fine waiting centuries. They could not. You don't know. We do know the size of galaxies and the distance between. It's basic science. We can average things out.

Waiting centuries is unreasonable. In all of fiction and storytelling, it takes a reasonable (in human standards) amount of time to transport something UNLESS the writer gives us evidence that it does not.

This is fiction, we go by what the writer conceives and his basic intent. Writers intent is usually clear.
If it took centuries to transport stars then that defeats the point of the feat that the writer is PURPOSELY trying to show.

Adam Grimes
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
In fact, moving stars at the speed you're suggesting would be catastrophic to anything remotely near its path and probably destroy the star. So they would have to be moving exponentially slower.
See. It's easy to make things up to support your own point. Do you seriously believe rl physics apply to comics?

h1a8
Originally posted by TheHulkster
Tossing a star?

https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/6/69316/1755077-dptu883oroboroscps029.jpg

Let's say Surfer tossed a star the mass of the Sun. That is is astronomically weaker than the Superman feat.

Also, prove that Surfer tossed a Sun sized star away using pure strength. Post multiple pages and explain carefully what's happening.

Diesldude
Originally posted by TheHulkster
That it can be forged using pure force would appear to place it below primary adamantium. we don't know the entire process. What if even the bonding process has to be done inside an inverted black hole? What we do know is that it is currently the strongest metal in DC above other Admentine equivalent metals of DCU.

Diesldude
Originally posted by TheHulkster
Hyperion holding two universes apart is greater.

LMAO. This feat really bothers you.

h1a8
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
In fact, moving stars at the speed you're suggesting would be catastrophic to anything remotely near its path and probably destroy the star. So they would have to be moving exponentially slower.
See. It's easy to make things up to support your own point.
Space is huge, you will not come within light-years of anything.

As far as the star being destroyed
That's disregarded in comics. Otherwise no feat is usable, especially lifting shit where it doesn't break under its own weight).
The hyperion feat would also be disregarded for the same reason.

h1a8
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
How much force needs to take for pushing Braniac OWAW ship and rearraging the universe? No offense, Just genuinely curious

After further thought. Brainiac feat is unknown.
But a lower bound for rearranging the universe is millions of star weights in force.

Lower bound means that the feat is greater, not equal to.

AlbertoJohnAvil
Originally posted by h1a8
We do know the size of galaxies and the distance between. It's basic science. We can average things out.

Waiting centuries is unreasonable. In all of fiction and storytelling, it takes a reasonable (in human standards) amount of time to transport something UNLESS the writer gives us evidence that it does not.

This is fiction, we go by what the writer conceives and his basic intent. Writers intent is usually clear.
If it took centuries to transport stars then that defeats the point of the feat that the writer is PURPOSELY trying to show.


so all galaxies are the same size? Again, your assuming what's reasonable and you're assuming intent. What if the point is to slowly heat galaxies undergoing heat death? What if it's too create energy dynamics and the star has to remain still at long at various intervals? You, as a reader don't and can't know unless it's explicitly stated. Again, I get your logic but your creating a lot of calcs and conclusions based solely on the statement "this metal is used to transport stars between galaxies".

TheHulkster
Originally posted by Diesldude
LMAO. This feat really bothers you.

LMAO.. This feat really excites you.

h1a8
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
so all galaxies are the same size? Again, your assuming what's reasonable and you're assuming intent. What if the point is to slowly heat galaxies undergoing heat death? What if it's too create energy dynamics and the star has to remain still at long at various intervals? You, as a reader don't and can't know unless it's explicitly stated. Again, I get your logic but your creating a lot of calcs and conclusions based solely on the statement "this metal is used to transport stars between galaxies".

The fact that I mentioned averaged makes your first sentence trolling.
Intent is clear. Not debatable really. What was the writer trying to portray? Clearly, he was trying to quantify how strong the metal. He's clearly not trying lowball the feat and at the same time give a good feat. It's all about common sense.

I didn't do much of any calculations. It doesn't take any math to know that transporting stars to other galaxies takes a shit load more force than the weight of a star.

DarkSaint85
Even if you use the smallest galaxy, that's still 300 light years.

So assuming it takes 300 years to cross...etc etc.

I understand what Alberto is coming from. But we can extrapolate from it and MASSIVELY low-ball, and it still comes out as incredibly strong. For it NOT to be strong, you'd have to assume a tiny galaxy smaller than anything known or ever discovered, a tiny miniscule star smaller and lighter than anything known or ever discovered (or even physically stable), and a delivery time slower than anything logically feasible.

I mean, it CAN be assumed, but even the lowest of lowballs would come out as those chains being incredibly strong.

AlbertoJohnAvil
Originally posted by h1a8
The fact that I mentioned averaged makes your first sentence trolling.
Intent is clear. Not debatable really. What was the writer trying to portray? Clearly, he was trying to quantify how strong the metal. He's clearly not trying lowball the feat and at the same time give a good feat. It's all about common sense.

I didn't do much of any calculations. It doesn't take any math to know that transporting stars to other galaxies takes a shit load more force than the weight of a star.

The only clear intent is that the writer wants to portray that it's a strong metal. Everything else about it's reason and speed for transport is you assuming. If you can't see that, then you can't. But that's my piece.

Diesldude
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
In fact, moving stars at the speed you're suggesting would be catastrophic to anything remotely near its path and probably destroy the star. So they would have to be moving exponentially slower.
See. It's easy to make things up to support your own point. smh, if they have tech that can haul stars millions ans billions light years, they should know how to take precautions. Smh.

Diesldude
Originally posted by TheHulkster
LMAO.. This feat really excites you. nah it was all forgotten until you started lowballing it and trying to find similar feats in Marvel to help you sleep better.

TheHulkster
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
The only clear intent is that the writer wants to portray that it's a strong metal. Everything else about it's reason and speed for transport is you assuming. If you can't see that, then you can't. But that's my piece.

This is true. Adding stuff the writer probably gave no thought to. Either way, the chains are reshaped in detailed ways by an inverted black hole.

Diesldude
Originally posted by TheHulkster
This is true. Adding stuff the writer probably gave no thought to. Either way, the chains are reshaped in detailed ways by an inverted black hole. just like how adamentium is shaped on little old earth.

Diesldude
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
The only clear intent is that the writer wants to portray that it's a strong metal. Everything else about it's reason and speed for transport is you assuming. If you can't see that, then you can't. But that's my piece. strong is an understatement. Clearly said strongest metal in the universe.

It's used to haul stars across galaxies.. Implying multiple galaxies. Not dead, vibrant, giant, tiny. None of that, but What we do know is that they are used to haul stars across galaxies multiple galaxies are in play they are going through large living galaxies to get to tiny little dying ones.

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by TheHulkster
It says that he destablizes it at the molecular level.

https://imgur.com/a/mCEdlWx
Neither matter manip nor magic, as I said smile

TheHulkster
Originally posted by Diesldude
just like how adamentium is shaped on little old earth.

It's created in liquid form.

TheHulkster
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Neither matter manip nor magic, as I said smile

That is matter manip.

DarkSaint85
How so?

When I get sunburn, is that matter manip too?

Am I manipulating matter when I set something on fire?

I mean, how broad are you being?

My point being that you're acting like it needs Molecule Man or something to manipulate it....when a low herald like Mags is perfectly capable of doing so, casually.

AlbertoJohnAvil
it's really not an understatement. It's a purely logical statement devoid of connotation. No need to pull at straws. I want to show you how strong this metal is. I want to show you this is the strongest metal. I want to show you the strength of this metal. It all conveys the same meaning. Superman broke something previously thought unbreakable. That is the point of this scan. Not lightspeeds, not galaxies, or any of that. Superman broke the unbreakable. Everything else is the reader making inferences.

Magnon
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-129e2866e2da03294b5e842fed6cd471

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-48ec2bc360bfb805eaca2bb32ba9feb6

TheHulkster
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
How so?

When I get sunburn, is that matter manip too?

Am I manipulating matter when I set something on fire?

I mean, how broad are you being?

My point being that you're acting like it needs Molecule Man or something to manipulate it....when a low herald like Mags is perfectly capable of doing so, casually.

Think rust.

TheHulkster
Originally posted by Magnon
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-129e2866e2da03294b5e842fed6cd471

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-48ec2bc360bfb805eaca2bb32ba9feb6

All are alternate reality characters and one also involves magic.

lawest9
Still shows Adamantium is not 100% unbreakable.

AlbertoJohnAvil
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Even if you use the smallest galaxy, that's still 300 light years.

So assuming it takes 300 years to cross...etc etc.

I understand what Alberto is coming from. But we can extrapolate from it and MASSIVELY low-ball, and it still comes out as incredibly strong. For it NOT to be strong, you'd have to assume a tiny galaxy smaller than anything known or ever discovered, a tiny miniscule star smaller and lighter than anything known or ever discovered (or even physically stable), and a delivery time slower than anything logically feasible.

I mean, it CAN be assumed, but even the lowest of lowballs would come out as those chains being incredibly strong.

its in space so once it actually pulls the star its momentum will keep it moving on its own lol.

AlbertoJohnAvil
Plutonian is literally sleeping and in the strongest prison in the universe everyday on a normal day they are in a place the generate half the pull of a black hole to hold the most dangerous criminal and people in here easily can hit a planet once and crack it in two. Plutonian is resisting this in his sleep

saying this is the 3rds best strength feat in comics is a joke

https://i.postimg.cc/RqnJLssB/pros.jpg

AlbertoJohnAvil
But wait theres more, they increase the half a pull to 100 fold so to put that into perspective our sun has 1 solar mass right a very small black hole has 10 solar mass a large black hole can have millions of billions of solar mass so superman breaking something we dont know what size sun its towing which probably isn't going to be big anyway since we saw it broke here means this isn't third best feat material. Mind you plutonian is doing this while he is asleep and he can make him self ignorantly stronger so again I have no idea where 3rd of all times comes in

https://i.postimg.cc/ZBzn7ZDz/ptol.jpg

DarkSaint85
So assume a tiny sun. How big is your sun for it to be a non feat?

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
its in space so once it actually pulls the star its momentum will keep it moving on its own lol.

Interesting.

So how strong does it have to be to "actually pull the star"? smile

AlbertoJohnAvil
well for one IF they tried to accelrate to the speed of light with an object that big they would die, two I have no idea but using real world physics as a micro or macro what h8 assumed made no sense at all lol thats like saying in order for a tow truck to move and 18 wheeler it would have to go from 0 to 260 mph instantly and also be able to move means you take a force millions of times that so the truck would have to be able to move the mountain is basically what he said lol. The only factual thing is that it would have to atleast be able to move one solar mass because thats atleast the size of a star but being that it has to move billions of times the weight of a star no lmao did it say it was dragging many stars the size 100 solar mass or just one star you dont even know the full scope of what its moving

AlbertoJohnAvil
I'm not saying its a non feat, I'm saying two things; one you are over hyping the hell out of it being as though its literally one solar mass and superman one milllion literally held an entire galaxy before so how you put this above something like that or anything named is beyond any one and two its not a non feat, its a great feat i'm not taking away from that i'm saying whatever list H8 and going by and the calculations are horrible wrong.

AlbertoJohnAvil
lifting strength, Supes wins that. Idk about striking

AlbertoJohnAvil
They show exactly here in irredemable (which isnt' dc universe I know but it shows what you would actually do towing star mass shit) first they would need to have enough energy source more then any thing to power whatever is toweing it, this is moving stars they are trying to move them nothing suggest they are supposed to be going at the speed of light with an object that big even superman states he would never go speed of light on earth because it kill every one any one moving an object that big would kill themselves and everything around them so they need energy of course

https://i.postimg.cc/pyKZWJNP/rel.jpg

can't even teleport with out folding time continum on themselves as well so there is no way in hell they would need those numbers listed for towing a star lol. one solar mass which is our sun size would need something at the very least that can tow 2 solar mass and they would have no reason to be towing objects 100 of more solar mass because it would probably take way longer and be counter productive since they are going to be flying at a certain speed and we don't even know how many stars or how big the stars are cause in comics stars can be the size a water mellon lol but is still dangerously heavy but that below solar mass and more like several hundred of thousands of earths

https://i.postimg.cc/8JQZ4K8n/star.jpg

SquallX

Diesldude
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Plutonian is literally sleeping and in the strongest prison in the universe everyday on a normal day they are in a place the generate half the pull of a black hole to hold the most dangerous criminal and people in here easily can hit a planet once and crack it in two. Plutonian is resisting this in his sleep

saying this is the 3rds best strength feat in comics is a joke

https://i.postimg.cc/RqnJLssB/pros.jpg

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
But wait theres more, they increase the half a pull to 100 fold so to put that into perspective our sun has 1 solar mass right a very small black hole has 10 solar mass a large black hole can have millions of billions of solar mass so superman breaking something we dont know what size sun its towing which probably isn't going to be big anyway since we saw it broke here means this isn't third best feat material. Mind you plutonian is doing this while he is asleep and he can make him self ignorantly stronger so again I have no idea where 3rd of all times comes in

https://i.postimg.cc/ZBzn7ZDz/ptol.jpg

WTH you're lying or you really can't read with comprehension.

The use of the gravity of the planet isn't always on, they can activate it and to many degrees up to half of the gravity of a black hole. Where is a scan of plutonian sleeping in it while the gravity is activated.

Diesldude
They are using the gravitational well to increase the gravity in certain parts of the prison. Otherwise it's normal planetary gravity, when someone acts up they use the gravitational well to increase the gravity of particular cell to pin the prisoner in place.

Where does it say they increase the gravity of the well 100 fold. These prison guards are on the planet, do you think they look like beings that can handle living in half a black hole?

h1a8
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Plutonian is literally sleeping and in the strongest prison in the universe everyday on a normal day they are in a place the generate half the pull of a black hole to hold the most dangerous criminal and people in here easily can hit a planet once and crack it in two. Plutonian is resisting this in his sleep

saying this is the 3rds best strength feat in comics is a joke

https://i.postimg.cc/RqnJLssB/pros.jpg

The pull of a black hole on a human can be less than an Earth weight from a few feet away.
There is a vast difference between the following.


Earth weight
Star weight
Billions of star weight

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
its in space so once it actually pulls the star its momentum will keep it moving on its own lol.

Correct but the force needed just to get the star to those speeds is insane. Well above billions of solar weight masses of force.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
The only clear intent is that the writer wants to portray that it's a strong metal. Everything else about it's reason and speed for transport is you assuming. If you can't see that, then you can't. But that's my piece.

Writer could have said transport planets, not stars.
Writer could have said to other solar systems, not galaxies.
He wanted us to know about the stars getting moved pretty fast.
He was thinking of the most extreme quantifiable situation to make the metal strong as possible.

It's all about what a reasonable person would think when reading the comic. Would they think the transports are in a reasonable time?
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
But wait theres more, they increase the half a pull to 100 fold so to put that into perspective our sun has 1 solar mass right a very small black hole has 10 solar mass a large black hole can have millions of billions of solar mass so superman breaking something we dont know what size sun its towing which probably isn't going to be big anyway since we saw it broke here means this isn't third best feat material. Mind you plutonian is doing this while he is asleep and he can make him self ignorantly stronger so again I have no idea where 3rd of all times comes in

https://i.postimg.cc/ZBzn7ZDz/ptol.jpg

As a explained. The gravity pull on a human mass object is less than an Earth weight depending on how close the object is from the singularity and the mass of the singularity.

h1a8
But again, Hulk dented adamantium. Cul broke Cap's shield which can be argued to be at least as strong as adamantium.

Diesldude
Not only hauling the stars to insane speeds but not breaking as the stars slow down at the destination.

Damborgson

h1a8

Diesldude
Originally posted by Diesldude
They are using the gravitational well to increase the gravity in certain parts of the prison. Otherwise it's normal planetary gravity, when someone acts up they use the gravitational well to increase the gravity of particular cell to pin the prisoner in place.

Where does it say they increase the gravity of the well 100 fold. These prison guards are on the planet, do you think they look like beings that can handle living in half a black hole?
Alberto, read this post and thank me for explaining your own scans to you.

Philosophía
This thread is "hollow small planet" part 3.

The bi-monthly meltdowns by people who have no doubt been beaten by somebody with Superman attire are truly something to behold.

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
well for one IF they tried to accelrate to the speed of light with an object that big they would die, two I have no idea but using real world physics as a micro or macro what h8 assumed made no sense at all lol thats like saying in order for a tow truck to move and 18 wheeler it would have to go from 0 to 260 mph instantly and also be able to move means you take a force millions of times that so the truck would have to be able to move the mountain is basically what he said lol. The only factual thing is that it would have to atleast be able to move one solar mass because thats atleast the size of a star but being that it has to move billions of times the weight of a star no lmao did it say it was dragging many stars the size 100 solar mass or just one star you dont even know the full scope of what its moving

So we assume 1 solar mass.

We assume......a trip of 300 years. 500, 1000 - it doesn't matter, lmao. That's the point we are trying to make here.

Average galaxy size is 3000 to 300,000 light years (source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galaxy). So let's lowball, and say all the galaxies are 3,000 light years.

So that means accelerating a star to lightspeed, would still take 3,000 years lmao. So you're looking at a delivery time of 3,000 years. At lightspeed. Logical? I say no.

That still makes those chains hundreds of times stronger than being able to support 1 solar mass, and assuming we are making a delivery of 3,000 years in length, and travelling at lightspeed. You want to make it a slower speed? Then you're making an assumption that the delivery time is longer than 3,000 years.

I (and h1, and others) are saying that the delivery period is much lower, which means the speed must be much higher than lightspeed. You want to assume that it's at a much slower speed, then sure.

It still means that the chains are incredibly strong.

And he broke them with one arm each.

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by TheHulkster
Think rust.

Rusting something is something special? I can make things rust with my matter manipulating saliva.

TheHulkster
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Rusting something is something special? I can make things rust with my matter manipulating saliva.

That's the point.

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by TheHulkster
That's the point.

Point being that you saying 'matter manipulation' means nothing.

Cyclops matter manips with his blasts. Gambit. Firestorm. Superman with his HV,and freeze breath. Batman when he punches and causes trauma.

I mean, if you're going to say 'matter manip' is capable of breaking adamantium, but you're including every single example of matter being manipulated as 'matter manip', then.....yeah, ok, Batman breaks adamantium, as he can matter manip (which he does by spitting on iron and rusting it lmao).

TheHulkster
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Point being that you saying 'matter manipulation' means nothing.

Cyclops matter manips with his blasts. Gambit. Firestorm. Superman with his HV,and freeze breath. Batman when he punches and causes trauma.

I mean, if you're going to say 'matter manip' is capable of breaking adamantium, but you're including every single example of matter being manipulated as 'matter manip', then.....yeah, ok, Batman breaks adamantium, as he can matter manip (which he does by spitting on iron and rusting it lmao).

Seriously? This is a specific ability in comics.

https://powercruncharchive.fandom.com/wiki/Matter_Manipulation

https://powercruncharchive.fandom.com/wiki/Durability_Negation

Diesldude
Originally posted by TheHulkster
Think rust. wait your saying that admentium can rust?

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by TheHulkster
Seriously? This is a specific ability in comics.

https://powercruncharchive.fandom.com/wiki/Matter_Manipulation

https://powercruncharchive.fandom.com/wiki/Durability_Negation

I understand, but you're making it so wide a term as to be meaningless.

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by lawest9
Still shows Adamantium is not 100% unbreakable.

Different adamantium.

Neither S'ym nor Glads could damage 616 Wolverine's skeleton, even though they weren't pulling their punches.

They did get stabbed all to hell, though.

lawest9
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Different adamantium.. So I've always understood.

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by lawest9
So I've always understood.

And yet you said it serves as proof that adamantium is not completely "100%" unbreakable.

It doesn't.

Superman from alternate universe who is black --- or gay --- doesn't suddenly mean that the Superman we know is not 100% white or 100% straight.

lawest9
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
And yet you said it serves as proof that adamantium is not completely "100%" unbreakable.

It doesn't.

Superman from alternate universe who is black --- or gay --- doesn't suddenly mean that the Superman we know is not 100% white or 100% straight. 😄😄😄

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