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Lorna Dane (polaris)

against


Mera

who wins

https://i.postimg.cc/v1Crvf88/6295304-4585056-polaris-pg44g.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/rdRWzs1B/Mera-DCComics.jpg

Whoever gets off the first attack wins.

Originally posted by zopzop
Whoever gets off the first attack wins.

Why so?

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Why so?
Mera can desiccate and Polaris can manipulate the iron in your blood KOing you. Whoever goes first with that their big attack wins.

Yeah zop!!

*Both Albert's post and mine contribute the exact same amount to the debate*

huh???

Oh I get it now. lmao somebody's still salty I see. Instead of addressing what I said let's insult xD
classic saint

that signature

Originally posted by MrMind
that signature

ik, it's weird lmao

Also @zop

this isnt a physical feat btw, she controls water on an atomic level using (PSI abilities), doing something on this scale isnt just manipulation of the magnetic fields shes also manipulating hydrogen and oxygen.
Polaris needs water and are made up of blood etc, Mera can take away the very thing the body needs to work, just on thought alone. thinking cant even be done without Water.
Here she extracts the water from someone, pulling it out of them using Hydrokenesis its a PSI ability
https://i.postimg.cc/H8GqHNTG/srh.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/JtMwT9YJ/ds.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/dkJWBKQV/rgft.jpg

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Oh I get it now.

lol Do you really? Alberto basically what Zop said is that either this attack from Polaris incapacitates Mera.

https://imgur.com/qCWu5mD

Or this attack from Mera incapacitates Polaris.

https://imgur.com/EWi2YB3

Whomever successfully gets her attack off first wins.

Why you decided to copy and paste some generic human biology info I will never know. lol

You really shame my many BZ victories over you sometimes.

Originally posted by Supermutant
lol Do you really? Alberto basically what Zop said is that either this attack from Polaris incapacitates Mera.

https://imgur.com/qCWu5mD

Or this attack from Mera incapacitates Polaris.

https://imgur.com/EWi2YB3

Whomever successfully gets her attack off first wins.

Why you decided to copy and paste some generic human biology info I will never know. lol

You really shame my many BZ victories over you sometimes. you get negative points for those wins, but that dig makes it all worth it. Have him add prefix - my bz daddy... on his sig.

Originally posted by Supermutant
lol Do you really? Alberto basically what Zop said is that either this attack from Polaris incapacitates Mera.

https://imgur.com/qCWu5mD

Or this attack from Mera incapacitates Polaris.

https://imgur.com/EWi2YB3

Whomever successfully gets her attack off first wins.

Why you decided to copy and paste some generic human biology info I will never know. lol

You really shame my many BZ victories over you sometimes.

Not exactly a telepath, and that generic human biology is VERY relevant

there's multiple ways of arguing how Mera can win right, what I said wasn't wrong

The Brain works on Water there is no thinking or anything without H20, Mera Controls H20, That's like COMMON SENSE but you lack that lmao, go ahead and tell me how in this case MaRvEL dOeSnT wOrK ON LoGIC because I'll debunk that immediately.

lol You still don't get it. Everybody else don't need to go to a human biology website to know that water is important. Everybody else learned that in kindergarten or pre-school.

You might as well copy and paste how the sky is blue and the grass is green.

Everyone else understood clearly what Zop stated, what you couldn't grasp. And then you go to a human biology website copy and paste, and think you are educating us?? That's why everyone is laughing and will continue to make fun of you.

I can't make it anymore clearer than this. The scans I posted was for your benefit, so you could see exactly the types of obvious attacks that Zop was referring to that you couldn't comprehend.

Quote where I stated that Mera couldn't win. Better yet quote where I stated who I thought would win. They both are capable hence why its so important about which attack is successful first.

Embarrassing myself?? The fact that you would even claim someone else is embarrassing themselves is beyond laughable. I'll certainly take my record and arguments over yours, we both know that. Don't we?

Originally posted by Diesldude
you get negative points for those wins, but that dig makes it all worth it. Have him add prefix - my bz daddy... on his sig.

In the near future I believe "my BZ daddy" will make a comeback.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
No Polaris isn't "capable" of winning why do you think I asked zop "why so" and then further showed my scans to support how Mera would win. READ MUTANT, READ lmao

and I debunked your Iceman scan already

Polaris can't win because you say so? lol You haven't debunked anything and is just trolling your own thread. I could easily BZ you on this in one post. A self imposed ban b/c your stupidity deserves no less. We can discuss the ban in PM but you better honor it. I'll be the hero KMC deserves.

too busy for a bz, you should PROVE how Polaris wins (she doesn't)
I already showed scans, and proved my point as to how Mera wins. You didn't address it because... heh I'm right... Like always

Dont engage into my threads if you don't have the knowledge to next time, you embarassed yourself enough.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
too busy for a bz, you should PROVE how Polaris wins (she doesn't)
I already showed scans, and proved my point as to how Mera wins. You didn't address it because... heh I'm right... Like always

Dont engage into my threads if you don't have the knowledge to next time, you embarassed yourself enough.

lol Since you are basically asking for this, I'm really going to shame you now. You have been begging me for one last BZ after I easily beat you again last time.







And we both know that there are plenty more pms begging for another BZ. But now lol when I decided lets go with a ban you are too busy. Especially since you wanted a lifetime ban earlier this month. And you create threads or post many times everyday. Now everyone can see for themselves. Sad really.

Originally posted by Supermutant
lol Do you really?

I.....really don't think he does.

Albert, who are you trying to convince, and what are you trying to convince them of?

alberto is trying to be sexy for you darksaint

lol I think he got confused again and just kept going with it.

I'll be waiting for your rebuttal to my mera scans SUPERMUTANT, until then Mera absolutely does win. Not an opinion, proven fact.

according to himself, alberto is horny and wetting himself right now

But Supermutant isn't disagreeing with you Albert......

He said "they're both capable"

which is false. Polaris isn't capable of winning, don't see it lol

Then you've opened a spite thread which is against the rules.

If you take water away, there is no mind or body or thoughts. Mera has shut down all H20 form reaching Orm who has the Trident and commamds the Ocean, this will cause Seizures, strength, Power none of it matter when you have no H20

Mera doenst even need to lift a muscle to perform this task, when it comes to the body, the brain doesnt work without Water or Oxygen Instant shut down:

https://i.postimg.cc/Yv2rbFFw/trh.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/v1gdNtHC/duas.jpg

So I don't know where Mutant got "Polaris is capable of winning" from but he retracted his statement and knows he's wrong on that.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Then you've opened a spite thread which is against the rules.

Not spite anymore since Supermutant disagrees with it, I'll wait for him to prove how Polaris "wins" so I can debunk him even more on this thread

Reopening.

Originally posted by Supermutant
lol Do you really? Alberto basically what Zop said is that either this attack from Polaris incapacitates Mera.

https://imgur.com/qCWu5mD

Or this attack from Mera incapacitates Polaris.

https://imgur.com/EWi2YB3

Whomever successfully gets her attack off first wins.

Why you decided to copy and paste some generic human biology info I will never know. lol

You really shame my many BZ victories over you sometimes.
I think what he's trying to say is, Polaris' control over metals affects a small portion of your overall makeup, while Mera's control over water is more significant because water comprises the majority of everything in your body.

In fact, Mera has legit superhuman stats and could probably resist long enough to get off a desiccation attack against Polaris even if Polaris went first. Polaris is just a squishy human being after all.

Originally posted by zopzop
I think what he's trying to say is, Polaris' control over metals affects a small portion of your overall makeup, while Mera's control over water is more significant because water comprises the majority of everything in your body.

In fact, Mera has legit superhuman stats and could probably resist long enough to get off a desiccation attack against Polaris even if Polaris went first. Polaris is just a squishy human being after all.

exaaaactly. BEEN saying this the whole time, basic comprehension. Supermutant lacks that

So shielding herself wouldn't work?

a Shield doesnt protect from getting water taken from your body via PSI Atomically, Her shield protects against physical attacks

I didn't say anything that was wrong lol, even zop knew what i meant

But neither zop nor Supermutant said you were wrong. In fact, nobody said you were wrong, lol.

You seem hellbent on showing off your knowledge about how much water there is in a human body etc - but no one cares. No one disputes that Mera can suck all the moisture out.

All your posts add nothing to the 'debate' (I put it in quote marks because 'debate' implies you have a chance of changing your mind) because we all knew it.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But neither zop nor Supermutant said you were wrong. In fact, nobody said you were wrong, lol.

You seem hellbent on showing off your knowledge about how much water there is in a human body etc - but no one cares. No one disputes that Mera can suck all the moisture out.

All your posts add nothing to the 'debate' (I put it in quote marks because 'debate' implies you have a chance of changing your mind) because we all knew it.

I'm only arguing against the "Polaris is capable" part though by mutant.

In your mind then, it's completely unrealistic for Polaris to get a win even 5% of the time. Mutant was also supporting Zop's post, which said that IF Polaris managed to attack first, she could win.

Are you saying that even if Polaris managed to control Mera's iron, she would still lose?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
In your mind then, it's completely unrealistic for Polaris to get a win even 5% of the time. Mutant was also supporting Zop's post, which said that IF Polaris managed to attack first, she could win.

Are you saying that even if Polaris managed to control Mera's iron, she would still lose?

Okay but I just wanna know am I wrong when I say
Mera takes Water that's vastly more Lethal than Manipulating Iron in the blood. Like. am I wrong on that part?

Mera takes away Water by Thought and Polaris manipulates traces of Iron in the blood by thought, you think Iron>>water?
I hope you see where I'm coming from

Also based on this scan saint Polaris doesnt do this Easily towards people she cant see or beings that are fast and powerful:
https://i.postimg.cc/t1LgkwVv/ghl.jpg

At this level? It's like saying which is more lethal, being shot or blown up by a grenade.

Of course the grenade is more powerful, but a headshot can still kill.

And yes a gun is more difficult to use etc.... but it'll still kill.

However, NOBODY said grenades don't kill. And there's no point posting scan after scan and paragraphs after paragraphs of how powerful grenades are....we. Know.

If Polaris gets the first kill shot who wins?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
At this level? It's like saying which is more lethal, being shot or blown up by a grenade.

Of course the grenade is more powerful, but a headshot can still kill.

And yes a gun is more difficult to use etc.... but it'll still kill.

However, NOBODY said grenades don't kill. And there's no point posting scan after scan and paragraphs after paragraphs of how powerful grenades are....we. Know.

Saint, you're misunderstanding me. I'm saying nothing else works without (water) that's the most important part not traces of Iron.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Saint, you're misunderstanding me. I'm saying nothing else works without (water) that's the most important part not traces of Iron.

I'm not.

I understand what you're getting at.

I am saying it makes no difference. At this level, trace amounts are all that characters need to conduct attacks.

Originally posted by zopzop
I think what he's trying to say is, Polaris' control over metals affects a small portion of your overall makeup, while Mera's control over water is more significant because water comprises the majority of everything in your body.

In fact, Mera has legit superhuman stats and could probably resist long enough to get off a desiccation attack against Polaris even if Polaris went first. Polaris is just a squishy human being after all.

Just because one attack can affect more of the body than the other, doesn't mean the other attack can't cause significant harm and quickly.

Below Polaris reversed the blood flow of every powered person in attendance of her wedding to Havok. Knocking them all out instantly, and she probably could have killed them all. Last scan shows there was a bunch of people there, so you can just imagine how many mutants and powered people was in that number.

https://imgur.com/a/7Rg9jav

I doubt Mera's enhance stats would help her at all against this type of attack. I seem to remember Dr. Polaris affecting Aquaman, Tempest, and Dolphin, IIRC.
Polaris shielding possibility is interesting. I would like to see what type of internal attacks she has blocked in the past, if any.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But neither zop nor Supermutant said you were wrong. In fact, nobody said you were wrong, lol.

You seem hellbent on showing off your knowledge about how much water there is in a human body etc - but no one cares. No one disputes that Mera can suck all the moisture out.

All your posts add nothing to the 'debate' (I put it in quote marks because 'debate' implies you have a chance of changing your mind) because we all knew it.

The gun vs grenade example was spot on. Still don't seems like he understands, I wonder why we try sometimes.

Next Alberto is going to explain to us how wet water is and then claim victory.

Originally posted by Supermutant
Just because one attack can affect more of the body than the other, doesn't mean the other attack can't cause significant harm and quickly.

Below Polaris reversed the blood flow of every powered person in attendance of her wedding to Havok. Knocking them all out instantly, and she probably could have killed them all. Last scan shows there was a bunch of people there, so you can just imagine how many mutants and powered people was in that number.

https://imgur.com/a/7Rg9jav

I doubt Mera's enhance stats would help her at all against this type of attack. I seem to remember Dr. Polaris affecting Aquaman, Tempest, and Dolphin, IIRC.
Polaris shielding possibility is interesting. I would like to see what type of internal attacks she has blocked in the past, if any.



The gun vs grenade example was spot on. Still don't seems like he understands, I wonder why we try sometimes.

Next Alberto is going to explain to us how wet water is and then claim victory.

question; does Blood bend work against someone who's invulnerable, and has the strength level to be able to hold the a Worldwide flood back from drowning Atlantis using PSI abilities?

https://i.postimg.cc/nCJqH4dP/blod.jpg

And im not saying it wouldnt work, im saying theres a limit. Magneto and Polaris can tap into the planet, doesnt mean the can lift the planet completely. Mera is Faster, Invulnerable, has her own shields that magic couldn't get through and she also controls water, hydrogen and oxygen make water.

you can break ice, but how does one break water, thats the problem. How does she control Water Vapor, something Mera can use?


https://i.postimg.cc/yJZ4B3Yv/sjas.jpg

^ read this story, and compare it in a battle. Mera isn't Bobby he was in the middle of trying to tell her he stilled loved her, he fired one ice blast not wanting to hurt her but she was going crazy because Her dude left her at the alter. Wanna know how she was defeated..
...
.. With a tree
Now Again YOU'RE smart enough to realize Electromagnetism doesn't create or stop hygrogen and oxygen correct MUTANT? Do u Honestly believe Polaris isn't breathing while behind the shield? Your gonna have to admit that, so now we get to the real point I was making , Mera controls on an Atomic Level Hydrogen and Oxygen, If she absorbs all Hydrogen and Oxygen unto herself there will be Nobody left standing in this battle for long. You're showing a scan of her using the iron in boby ice to block his attack, I'M talking about using PSI abilities to take all water away atomically. Mera is not shooting blast at a force field.

Her force field protects her, yes but from Receiving basic Elements needed for her to breath, and function Hyrdogen and Oxygen? The answer is no and that's where Mera gets her in the match IMO

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
question; does Blood bend work against someone who's invulnerable, and has the strength level to be able to hold the a Worldwide flood back from drowning Atlantis using PSI abilities?

https://i.postimg.cc/nCJqH4dP/blod.jpg

See here's where you keep digging a deeper whole for yourself. Mera isn't invulnerable, and her hydrokinesis has nothing to do with her physical strength.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
And im not saying it wouldnt work,

The rest of your post is irrelevant. I showed an example of Polaris manipulating the iron in someone's blood. It didn't matter to me that it was Iceman and I wasn't drawing a comparison between those two there.

If you are now saying that Polaris blood manipulation would work, that's the exact same thing I, DS and others have been saying from the beginning. lol Congrats

more Invulnerable than Ice Man in a Wedding Tuxedo. We lowballing now btw

Aint no way you just said that

Mera takes the pressure Of water, which is why she has super strength and invulnerability.

Mera isn't invulnerable on the level of Colossus or Luke Cage but she sure as hell is more durable than a human being. She has legit superhuman stats.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Mera takes the pressure Of water, which is why she has super strength and invulnerability.

Exactly. Siding with Mera here, Polaris has no chance.

Alberto also made a good point about water.

Okay, so in character, does Mera routinely desiccate other known heroic icons?

Originally posted by zopzop
Mera isn't invulnerable on the level of Colossus or Luke Cage but she sure as hell is more durable than a human being. She has legit superhuman stats.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Exactly. Siding with Mera here, Polaris has no chance.

Alberto also made a good point about water.

EXACTLY. but mutant doesnt READ on mera so the ignorance is expected from him.

Just so you finally understand this Alberto, regarding my position of Mera. Mera is highly resistance to most forms of conventional physical attacks which has nothing to do with an internal attack. I never once said Mera cannot affect Polaris with hydrokinesis, and I even posted the scan of her doing accelerated hydrokinesis against a group of opponents.

The way you used invulnerability made it seems like she was Superman or Classic Juggernaut who could just wade through almost anything. But she isn't more durable than Aquaman who has bleed from attacks by Catman and Killer Croc.
My people don't state Aquaman is invulnerable but that he is however highly resistant. Of course Mera is more durable than just humans, don't see how anyone could think I was stating otherwise.

So the only disagreement comes in this I believe that Polaris can manipulate the blood in Mera to ko her. You don't seem to think this now even though on the preceding page you did.

We can easily BZ this point if you want to or Mera vs Polaris completely. Even though I still believe it comes down to whomever gets the first shot off.

Otherwise stop mentioning my name in this thread.

well UNFORTUNATELY mods don't perma ban in battlezones. We CAN still BZ, just no stips involved
I bet you feel salty right know thinking you "proved" me wrong when 2 posters agreed with my point about water. This is why you don't come on threads and look foolish mutant, take that as a lesson next time LOL

Mods don't have to enforce it.

You can still BZ, and openly acknowledge that if one loses they'd ban themselves.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
well UNFORTUNATELY mods don't perma ban in battlezones. We CAN still BZ, just no stips involved
I bet you feel salty right know thinking you "proved" me wrong when 2 posters agreed with my point about water. This is why you don't come on threads and look foolish mutant, take that as a lesson next time LOL

So you agree to the BZ with a ban? Just look at your signature for "foolish."

I dont do bans. either you bz or not

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
I dont do bans. either you bz or not

We did one before and you begged for one earlier this month, but that says it all really.

YOU declined lmao, If YOU really wanted to be the HeRo of kmc you would've accepted immediately, and i told you i was gonna self ban, i don't care what you find ridiclious or handicaped , i dont try in bzs unless a ban is on the line and you declined knowing i was gonna send you packing. good choice

yeah your ridiculous stip of knowing my team but I don't know yours until after our opening post. lol We can have a fair one now with you being very confident in your position. Why have your eagerness changed in less than a month, when most of us have too much time on our hands now?

YOU said you would do it regardless don't use that excuse now. I AM confident, TRUST ME. either you accept my stip or continue to get debunked on more threads in the future, doesn't really matter with me. I'll only respond to you when you accept

If you're confident, why don't you just keep it simple? Self Ban on the line, usual forum BZ stips (so equal stips for both sides)?

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
YOU said you would do it regardless don't use that excuse now. I AM confident, TRUST ME. either you accept my stip or continue to get debunked on more threads in the future, doesn't really matter with me. I'll only respond to you when you accept

stop lying, I never agreed to that. You stated I called it a ridiculous stipulation which I did. I wouldn't agree to a ridiculous stipulation and a handicap. Nothing in it for me, I already beaten you 3 times and you have received 0 votes altogether lol.

Anyway so you won't agree to a BZ ban in which you are very confident in your position. Yeah I'm done with this thread.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
I'm only arguing against the "Polaris is capable" part though by mutant.

I love how you completely contradicted yourself here, by stating this in the thread you made about Magneto.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
you still don't get it. He EASILY bloodbended both Herc and Shulky. He bloodbended Herc BEFORE he even got his 2nd perm amp. Herc has the Marvel Olympian type of Invulnerability which is DIFFERENT than Pauly's version of Invulnerability. Is Pauly WAAAAAY WEAKER than Herc in terms of DURABILITY and STRENGTH? YES. Thus, your claim that Mags can't BLOODBEND a person that has INVULNERABILITY is DEBUNKED.

Mags taught Polaris how to Bloodbend as well as other EM hax tactics when they were both in Genosha. This is even confirmed in the Dark Seduction storyline. Polaris BLOODBENDED the Hulk.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil

This is Mags BEFORE he even got his 2nd perm amp being shown ON PANEL bloodbending Herc.:
https://i.postimg.cc/wyb4vTw8/hery.jpg


Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
From Magneto: Dark Seduction #4. Notice that Mags EFFORTLESSLY used his Bloodbending tactic to REVERSE the flow of blood in ALL of She-Hulk's veins ALL AT ONCE while SIMULTANEOUSLY doing other feats. This was AFTER he got his 3rd Perm Amp in that same issue

https://i.postimg.cc/mhBs5J8k/bhg.jpg

You even go far as to mention that Magneto taught this specific blood manipulation to Polaris and that Polaris blood-blended the Hulk.

Yet you disagreed that this exact same type of attack could work against Mera because of her "invulnerability." You even called me ignorant and stated I was embarrassing myself for stating that Polaris was able to effect Mera in this way.

Which is the exact same argument you are making now in the Magneto thread. So now you are talking out of both sides of your mouth and your foolishness is obvious in both thread. You just owned yourself in both of your own thread simultaneously. This is an incredible level of incompetence.

o_o I said it wouldn't work due to water being>>>>>>>>>>>iron which Sin and Zop agreed with

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Exactly. Siding with Mera here, Polaris has no chance.

Alberto also made a good point about water.

but aight lol whatever you think. I lost interest in this long ago, take it how you wanna take it, don't care

Lol no one cared from the start though.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
o_o I said it wouldn't work due to water being>>>>>>>>>>>iron which Sin and Zop agreed with

lol koed is koed and dead is dead. It doesn't matter that there is more water in the body. When "blood bending" as you put it can cause incapacitation just as quick if not quicker since there is much less one need to manipulate.

And yet you disagree with Zop about Magneto affecting those with "invulnerability" in the other thread. You are just all over the place.

This would have been a very quick BZ. You were wise to run away from it.