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Based off of feats, strength, and durability from what the movies portrayed. Hela definitely takes this battle. It took a giant demon on Odins level to put her down. Thor combined with the efforts of Loki, and a army of Asgardians, couldn't do anything to hurt her, let alone stop her. So I really don't see what Superman on his own can do to stop her.

Originally posted by heru
Based off of feats, strength, and durability from what the movies portrayed. Hela definitely takes this battle. It took a giant demon on Odins level to put her down. Thor combined with the efforts of Loki, and a army of Asgardians, couldn't do anything to hurt her, let alone stop her. So I really don't see what Superman on his own can do to stop her. Whoever gets the first shot in.

Hela is portrayed as more powerful to a significant degree.

Hela wins.

Hela would destroy Superman.

Hela wins and wrong thread.

Let me get this straight ...

Mjolnir is considered so indestructible that it takes a fever dream before even the mountain-moving might of Classic Hulk can be shown breaking it ...

https://s7d5.turboimg.net/t1/51506019_image.jpg


Hela, appearing no more impressive than the average cosplayer, though, and likely no more well-known to anyone who isn't Asgardian, has the strength to do that for real, and DID so:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PfNt4Otr1WI




Maybe I'm missing something ...

Substituting Superman for Spider-Man, exactly why wouldn't the entirety of the fight look like the following?

https://s7d5.turboimg.net/t1/51506020_image.jpg https://s7d5.turboimg.net/t1/51506021_image.jpg

Hela can't even beat WW, let alone superman

Superman destroys her but she just keeps regenerating.

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Let me get this straight ...

Mjolnir is considered so indestructible that it takes a fever dream before even the mountain-moving might of Classic Hulk can be shown breaking it ...

https://s7d5.turboimg.net/t1/51506019_image.jpg


Hela, appearing no more impressive than the average cosplayer, though, and likely no more well-known to anyone who isn't Asgardian, has the strength to do that for real, and DID so:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PfNt4Otr1WI




Maybe I'm missing something ...

Substituting Superman for Spider-Man, exactly why wouldn't the entirety of the fight look like the following?

https://s7d5.turboimg.net/t1/51506020_image.jpg https://s7d5.turboimg.net/t1/51506021_image.jpg

wtf is this incoherent rambling

Originally posted by MrMind
wtf is this incoherent rambling Lol

MCU Hela faithfully stomps honestly

Superman showing in the movies has nothing on Hela MCU. Doomsday smacked him around like a pimp smacks a hoe. He was also stunned momentarily from a head butt from wonder woman, he was also flatten out from a blast from the mother box once him and cyborg pulled it apart, and I almost forgot the icing on the cake. He died.

^dumbass he got major power upgrades in the third movie

Originally posted by BrolyBlack
^dumbass he got major power upgrades in the third movie Yet he was still stunned by Wonder Woman head butt, and still down for the count from the mother box explosion in the third movie. So how much of upgrade did he receive, when those showings still put him beneath Hela Dumb ass?

Hela is so much slower than Superman that she's literally a statue by comparison.

Remember that scene where Quicksilver is fighting the Avengers and Thor is barely moving while Quicksilver is?

https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/scale_super/11133/111331200/6546284-3362948484-Amusi.gif

Place Hela in Thor's place, and then account for the fact that Superman is faster than MCU Quicksilver.

Originally posted by heru
Yet he was still stunned by Wonder Woman head butt, and still down for the count from the mother box explosion in the third movie. So how much of upgrade did he receive, when those showings still put him beneath Hela Dumb ass? The Motherboxes pack enough energy to terraform planets, per the movie, which is more energy than Thor has ever endured (yes, even when he survived a star's energy).

He's also shifted tectonic plates and overpowered a beam that displaced millions of tons of water that was terraforming the Earth while weakened. Superman is at least strong enough to hurt Hela, and is so much faster that she will never be able to hit anything resembling a lethal blow if Superman doesn't want her to.

The only problem is Hela's immortality, so stalemate maybe, at best, after Hela gets tired of getting pinballed across the planet and Superman gets tired of beating the shit out of a woman.

Originally posted by NemeBro
The Motherboxes pack enough energy to terraform planets, per the movie, which is more energy than Thor has ever endured (yes, even when he survived a star's energy).

He's also shifted tectonic plates and overpowered a beam that displaced millions of tons of water that was terraforming the Earth while weakened. Superman is at least strong enough to hurt Hela, and is so much faster that she will never be able to hit anything resembling a lethal blow if Superman doesn't want her to.

The only problem is Hela's immortality, so stalemate maybe, at best, after Hela gets tired of getting pinballed across the planet and Superman gets tired of beating the shit out of a woman.

So we're citing a background newspaper prop? And how is that more energy than the star?

Originally posted by TheHulkster
So we're citing a background newspaper prop? And how is that more energy than the star?

It was heat from the star focused in a beam. Not the stars total energy (since the star still exists and didn't get exhausted and will continue to exist for eons more and was shining all other directions while the beam was emitted. ).

Originally posted by h1a8
It was heat from the star focused in a beam. Not the stars total energy (since the star still exists and didn't get exhausted and will continue to exist for eons more and was shining all other directions while the beam was emitted. ).

IOW, same principle as me with a magnifying glass on a hot day, only bigger.

Originally posted by h1a8
It was heat from the star focused in a beam. Not the stars total energy (since the star still exists and didn't get exhausted and will continue to exist for eons more and was shining all other directions while the beam was emitted. ).

He says "full force of a star".

https://streamable.com/xylem

Originally posted by TheHulkster
He says "full force of a star".

https://streamable.com/xylem Hyperbole, if it was the full force or energy of the star it would no longer be there.

The best you can say is that it was the luminosity of the star directed through that point on and past Thor.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
He says "full force of a star".

https://streamable.com/xylem

The full force that a star can give in a concentrated beam.

Obviously not a supernova. Since it never actually went supernova.

Superman would destroy giant Surtur too.

What trash. A statement is hyperbole but a newspaper clippings is somehow usable. Superman has zero onscreen feats of doing anything to a tectonic plate. It is completely unusable.

So Cyborg has planetary level durability? Because he took the exact same hit as Clark and got up minutes later. And it didn't even really make a crater or anything

Originally posted by ShadowFyre
What trash. A statement is hyperbole but a newspaper clippings is somehow usable. Superman has zero onscreen feats of doing anything to a tectonic plate. It is completely unusable.

So Cyborg has planetary level durability? Because he took the exact same hit as Clark and got up minutes later. And it didn't even really make a crater or anything

It was a collection of newspaper clippings of factual events of all the deeds he had done since man of steel. Some of those deeds received visuals, like him pulling the ship out of ice.

Yeah, the newspaper clipping was clearly put there as bait and meant to be fake. HERP DERP. You know how stupid that sounds?

All the other ones were real, but the one specifically of him stopping an earthquake through tectonics plates somehow isn't. Lol.

You deniers of this always sound like absolute retards.

Cyborg was made from motherbox energy, likely had some immunity to it.

Supes resisting terraforming level energy is consistent with MOS.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Hyperbole, if it was the full force or energy of the star it would no longer be there.

The best you can say is that it was the luminosity of the star directed through that point on and past Thor.

Our sun produces the energy of 1 trillion 1 megaton nuclear bombs every second and will have done so for 10 billion years. Thor endures that total energy output for however many seconds is shown. That doesn't even come close to depleting the the hydrogen fusion that will generate said energy for billions of years.

The world engines go THROUGH the Earth.


They're practically mini Death Star beams.

Originally posted by ShadowFyre
What trash. A statement is hyperbole but a newspaper clippings is somehow usable. Superman has zero onscreen feats of doing anything to a tectonic plate. It is completely unusable.

So Cyborg has planetary level durability? Because he took the exact same hit as Clark and got up minutes later. And it didn't even really make a crater or anything The only trash here is your posts, but really, what else is new? You are after all the same guy who unironically believed a normal grizzly bear is stronger than MCU Captain America.

The statement is hyperbole because it couldn't possibly be true, not in the way people have used it. That retard Hulkster is now trying to pretend that Thor endured the total energy per second generated by the star when the star would have to be exactly Thor's size and right on top of him for that to be anywhere close to true.

As for Cyborg, yes.

And Superman was inside the Motherboxes enduring the energy and forcing them apart when they were generating their terraforming energy. And it's not even the first terraforming feat Clark had, weird right? And if you want to go by statements, Batman seemed to believe Clark was "stronger than a planet" and this was what would let him be revived by the Mother Box.

Originally posted by cdtm
Superman would destroy giant Surtur too. both at the same time.

Wrong forum.

Moving...

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Our sun produces the energy of 1 trillion 1 megaton nuclear bombs every second and will have done so for 10 billion years. Thor endures that total energy output for however many seconds is shown. That doesn't even come close to depleting the the hydrogen fusion that will generate said energy for billions of years.

Originally posted by h1a8
It was heat from the star focused in a beam. Not the stars total energy (since the star still exists and didn't get exhausted and will continue to exist for eons more and was shining all other directions while the beam was emitted. ).

The movie >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> h1's biased opinion

First off, I my stance was that 6 could best him, due to massive lacerations. Because he got bested by two outriders who a 1600lb bear would absolutely destroy.

And I 100% believe the newspaper clippings, they are obviously there for a reason. But that's it. We have no idea how he accomplished the act. No clue whatsoever=not usable as a feat.

Second off, that's not what happened in the actual movies.

Superman did not "perform" a terraforming feat. Wtf does that even mean? He bested a terraforming machine in the first one. A very impressive machine at that. All the two machines did was change gravity over a very prolonged amount of time. Neither one was close to "planetary" level of power. They took quite awhile and what we can assume was thousands of "hits" or reverberations of whatever kind of pulse they were sending. Thats what happened in the movie.

The Motherbox was never explored in depth and we have no idea what kind of force it took to open it, we just know what it is capable of when operating. But I'm gonna rewatch the scene with him pulling it apart and as usual I will admit it if I am wrong. Let's see what it says.

What device does when operating does not = amount of force needed to break the device.

So we are gonna go straight to getting big mad because Superman is involved. No reasons for to many insults. It's gonna be ok.

My actual main stance is her healing factor anyway and Supermans lack of fighting ability. He is going to hit her and thinking she is done for and that's gonna be a mistake, because then she will get her hands on him.

With prior knowledge and an ability to bypass her HF. He shit stomps.

I'm not the other Marvel fans, 90% of them have me arguing against them on Supermans behalf. I just don't like the character nor how his fanbase acts. In COMICS DC is generally a tier above, but this is cinema and right now, speed/flight is his only advantage, but that won't do anything but prolong the battle with her healing factor

Wow. Cyborg described big time blowback "but I think we can take it" sooooooo no durability feats for the motherbox, no idea on tectonic plates. Plenty for Mjolnir. So Hela wins the strength department.

Anyway, have a good day/night everybody. Wear your mask or whatever.

Originally posted by NemeBro
The Motherboxes pack enough energy to terraform planets, per the movie, which is more energy than Thor has ever endured (yes, even when he survived a star's energy).

He's also shifted tectonic plates and overpowered a beam that displaced millions of tons of water that was terraforming the Earth while weakened. Superman is at least strong enough to hurt Hela, and is so much faster that she will never be able to hit anything resembling a lethal blow if Superman doesn't want her to.

The only problem is Hela's immortality, so stalemate maybe, at best, after Hela gets tired of getting pinballed across the planet and Superman gets tired of beating the shit out of a woman. Where talking about Hela durability, not Thors. I'm sure the blast would've done anything to slow her down.

Superman is the poster boy for strength, but he's not even close to strongest characters out there. Hela not known for her physical strength, but clearly outclass Thor by a land slide, she's also not known for her speed, but still posses god like speed. Besides tagging Superman shouldn't be that hard, his speed did nothing for him to save his life fighting Doomsday, and before you jump on Doomsday being as fast as Superman train. Doomsday shown very little speed feats in the third movie. To think Superman would fight her, and she wouldn't be able to hit him, with all the fighting experiene she has, powers she possess, durabilty, and immortality, is just down right ludacris.

Originally posted by heru
Where talking about Hela durability, not Thors. I'm sure the blast wouldn't have done anything to slow her down.

Superman is the poster boy for strength, but he's not even close to strongest characters out there. Hela not known for her physical strength, but clearly outclass Thor by a land slide, she's also not known for her speed, but still posses god like speed. Besides tagging Superman shouldn't be that hard, his speed did nothing for him to save his life fighting Doomsday, and before you jump on Doomsday being as fast as Superman train. Doomsday shown very little speed feats in the third movie. To think Superman would fight her, and she wouldn't be able to hit him, with all the fighting experiene she has, powers she possess, durabilty, and immortality, is just down right ludacris.

Grabs popcorn.

Originally posted by NemeBro
The Motherboxes pack enough energy to terraform planets, per the movie, which is more energy than Thor has ever endured (yes, even when he survived a star's energy).

He's also shifted tectonic plates and overpowered a beam that displaced millions of tons of water that was terraforming the Earth while weakened. Superman is at least strong enough to hurt Hela, and is so much faster that she will never be able to hit anything resembling a lethal blow if Superman doesn't want her to.

The only problem is Hela's immortality, so stalemate maybe, at best, after Hela gets tired of getting pinballed across the planet and Superman gets tired of beating the shit out of a woman. Where talking about Hela durability, not Thors. I'm sure the blast would'nt have done anything to slow her down.

Superman is the poster boy for strength, but he's not even close to strongest characters out there. Hela not known for her physical strength, but clearly outclass Thor by a land slide, she's also not known for her speed, but still posses god like speed. Besides tagging Superman shouldn't be that hard, his speed did nothing for him to save his life fighting Doomsday, and before you jump on Doomsday being as fast as Superman train. Doomsday shown very little speed feats in the third movie. To think Superman would fight her, and she wouldn't be able to hit him, with all the fighting experiene she has, powers she possess, durabilty, and immortality, is just down right ludacris.

Originally posted by heru
Where talking about Hela durability, not Thors. I'm sure the blast would'nt have done anything to slow her down.

Superman is the poster boy for strength, but he's not even close to strongest characters out there. Hela not known for her physical strength, but clearly outclass Thor by a land slide, she's also not known for her speed, but still posses god like speed. Besides tagging Superman shouldn't be that hard, his speed did nothing for him to save his life fighting Doomsday, and before you jump on Doomsday being as fast as Superman train. Doomsday shown very little speed feats in the third movie. To think Superman would fight her, and she wouldn't be able to hit him, with all the fighting experiene she has, powers she possess, durabilty, and immortality, is just down right ludacris. Buddy, did I pump and dump you or something? Why did you send this shit three times like some needy middle aged woman whose boyfriend is cheating on her with her daughter?

Anyway, Superman doesn't have to be the strongest out there to be stronger than Hela, which he probably is. And no, she's stronger than Thor, but not by so much that he can't stand his ground against her.

And as for durability? Hela is cut by normal shitty Asgardians:

j6lGkoMqqJg

2:20

A particularly strong Asgardian is able to push a bus with a kick, but that's nothing compared to even Aquaman, much less Superman.

She's at the same general baseline speed of almost every MCU superhuman, which is to say slow enough that Quicksilver makes them look like they're walking through molasses.

Superman is much faster than Quicksilver, as seen when he made Diana look like a statue:

uC9qU3X1JgM

2:13.

Diana herself having too many bullet timing feats to count and even having lightning timing feats:

https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11122/111220624/7172778-7170806-2067735745-ezgif.gif

Doomsday doesn't discount all his other speed showings. He's either faster in Justice League, or they just chose to depict his speed differently in JL, because even in MoS he is fighting at speeds beyond sonic:

Originally posted by NemeBro
https://www.awn.com/vfxworld/making-superman-fly-again-man-steel

"In addition to superhero speed they would throw punches that would minimally break the sound barrier so there would be shock waves. At the same time, they didn't want to lose the force of the punches completely in motion blur (except as a gag with Zod's partner, Faora). They added effects to it by putting mock cones on the forearms, shockwave effects when they hit blows as visual cues."

https://www.artofvfx.com/man-of-steel-guillaume-rocheron-vfx-supervisor-mpc/

Second source no longer exists, but the screencap still does.

https://i.imgur.com/2X88RM0.png

Zod and Clark were trading punches that broke the sound barrier in Man of Steel. Which makes sense, since we know in the film Superman has the reaction-time to maneuver in-between building while flying those speeds without crashing as seen in that very fight.

The lowballing from the people supporting MCU characters will never stop though. Which I guess is only fair, because h1 will never stop his own lowballing either.

Superman wins or gets tired of beating up a woman who can't land a single hit if he doesn't let her and calls it a draw.

https://i.postimg.cc/Kc3QSwVZ/sorry-im-late-needed-more-popcorn-meme.jpg

Originally posted by NemeBro
Buddy, did I pump and dump you or something? Why did you send this shit three times like some needy middle aged woman whose boyfriend is cheating on her with her daughter?

Anyway, Superman doesn't have to be the strongest out there to be stronger than Hela, which he probably is. And no, she's stronger than Thor, but not by so much that he can't stand his ground against her.

And as for durability? Hela is cut by normal shitty Asgardians:

j6lGkoMqqJg

2:20

A particularly strong Asgardian is able to push a bus with a kick, but that's nothing compared to even Aquaman, much less Superman.

She's at the same general baseline speed of almost every MCU superhuman, which is to say slow enough that Quicksilver makes them look like they're walking through molasses.

Superman is much faster than Quicksilver, as seen when he made Diana look like a statue:

uC9qU3X1JgM

2:13.

Diana herself having too many bullet timing feats to count and even having lightning timing feats:

https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11122/111220624/7172778-7170806-2067735745-ezgif.gif

Doomsday doesn't discount all his other speed showings. He's either faster in Justice League, or they just chose to depict his speed differently in JL, because even in MoS he is fighting at speeds beyond sonic:



Superman wins or gets tired of beating up a woman who can't land a single hit if he doesn't let her and calls it a draw. I made a mistake while posting, which is why it was posted three times. You take no credit for that. So please put your hard on away, it's embarrassing.

Hela was impailed by a sword not once but twice, but it did nothing. Superman died when he got impailed. So it's safe to say durablity goes to her. As far as Thor holding his own. Thor did very little to hold his own against her. Everyone was getting there ass handed to them, which is why they had to call on an Odin villian to take her down.
Folks are always going towards Superman speed to win fights, as if it's the ultimate trump card. Sorry dude it's not. In terms of fighting Superman is not the better fighter between the two. His speed would only go so far before she figure him out. He's not going to KO her with a punch, or grab her, and throw her in the sun or space before she can react.. Lol. She's to strong for that. So what could he possibly do to stop her, before he get a ass full of splinters, and die from his injuries for the second time.

Keep in mind, Hela was never been shown dead in the movie. Being stop, and death are two different things. So if Satur wasn't able to kill her Superman won't be able to do nothing. I'm sure we'll find out if she's dead in the next few Marvel movies. But be as it may Hela is way to powerful for the Alien from Krypton. If Doomsday is capable of killing Superman, then Hela is going to rape him long sword style... Lol

Originally posted by heru
Where talking about Hela durability, not Thors. I'm sure the blast would've done anything to slow her down.

Superman is the poster boy for strength, but he's not even close to strongest characters out there. Hela not known for her physical strength, but clearly outclass Thor by a land slide, she's also not known for her speed, but still posses god like speed. Besides tagging Superman shouldn't be that hard, his speed did nothing for him to save his life fighting Doomsday, and before you jump on Doomsday being as fast as Superman train. Doomsday shown very little speed feats in the third movie. To think Superman would fight her, and she wouldn't be able to hit him, with all the fighting experiene she has, powers she possess, durabilty, and immortality, is just down right ludacris.

To be fair, if Superman is playing defense, she absolutely will not be able to hit him. His speed is ridiculous. His fighting skill and thinking that she will be done is how she is going to land a hit.

Without her HF, Clark should win quite handily. And this is not directed at you but Marvel fans have a real big problem of coming to reality on how massive an advantage speed is. And I mean massive. When people say statue, that's literally what they mean. But Clark has been hit by slower and he does not run around superspeeding all the time.

I haven't even read the next page and I'm wanting to change my stance because it is a pretty big deal (speed). I just don't see how he overcomes that HF and she will eventually get ahold of him and wear him down. And her skill is enough that she will use the blades to corrall him into a certain direction with blade spam.

And for the record, I do think her blades will cut him, but nothing like they did to Thor, I honestly doubt they will cut him very deeply, they will be used mainly for distraction and bleeding him out. Albeit slowly. His hardline durability is one of the best out there. I would even argue that him and Mjolnir,Caps shield are probably pretty damn close durability wise.

There is only 4 MCU beings I see being able to physically injure Superman.

Thor w/Stormbreaker, Thanos w/sword, Kurse and Hela are the only two that I think could do it with hands

I disagree that her HF is infinitely fast. I believe that if a character can be damaged to a certain extent before they heal then they will die. Superman can possibly catch one of her blades and slice a limb off (after a lengthy battle where he sees that she has a HF). Or just continue to add more damage faster than her healing rate to win.

Put it this way.

Clark figured out pretty quickly how to deal with WW and Flash. Saying he's an idiot in fighting is at odds with how he dealt with the JL after meeting them for the very first time.

WW tried her bracelet trick with him. Second time she tried, he stopped her.

Yea, the JL jobbed pretty hard in that movie.

Or Superman was that fast in comparison to the others.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Put it this way.

Clark figured out pretty quickly how to deal with WW and Flash. Saying he's an idiot in fighting is at odds with how he dealt with the JL after meeting them for the very first time.

WW tried her bracelet trick with him. Second time she tried, he stopped her.

He defeated then by simply being stronger or faster than them. He didn't need to "figure out" anything, not when he was so much more physically superior.

Yet he figured out that WWs main attack was her bracers smashing together.

And figured out that Flash was trying to run rings around him.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Or Superman was that fast in comparison to the others.

I stand corrected, technically they weren't jobbed, Superman was just turned into a Gary Stu.

Basically. Makes it true to comics at least

It's one of the reasons I dislike Wolverine and don't care about comic Superman or Batman either, I'm not a big fan of Mary/Gary stu's.

Originally posted by ShadowFyre
To be fair, if Superman is playing defense, she absolutely will not be able to hit him. His speed is ridiculous. His fighting skill and thinking that she will be done is how she is going to land a hit.

Without her HF, Clark should win quite handily. And this is not directed at you but Marvel fans have a real big problem of coming to reality on how massive an advantage speed is. And I mean massive. When people say statue, that's literally what they mean. But Clark has been hit by slower and he does not run around superspeeding all the time.

I haven't even read the next page and I'm wanting to change my stance because it is a pretty big deal (speed). I just don't see how he overcomes that HF and she will eventually get ahold of him and wear him down. And her skill is enough that she will use the blades to corrall him into a certain direction with blade spam.

And for the record, I do think her blades will cut him, but nothing like they did to Thor, I honestly doubt they will cut him very deeply, they will be used mainly for distraction and bleeding him out. Albeit slowly. His hardline durability is one of the best out there. I would even argue that him and Mjolnir,Caps shield are probably pretty damn close durability wise.

There is only 4 MCU beings I see being able to physically injure Superman.

Thor w/Stormbreaker, Thanos w/sword, Kurse and Hela are the only two that I think could do it with hands Speed is a great attribute to have, but it can be beat. If that's the case characters known for speed should never loose a fight when fighting people less then they are. Skill beats speed, and Hela has thousands of years of it over Superman. She's been fighting beings on a cosmic level long before Clark was in existence. If it took a Sky father level villain to take her down. An alien with super speed, and strength has little chance to do so. Once again Doomsday murdered him, and all he brought was brute force, to the fight, with very little intellect other than destruction. Hela will decapitate Clark, and send his head to his mother. You forgot to mention Sutur and Odin as being one of those beings to injure Superman as well. I would of said Hulk, but his MCU showings have been down played.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yet he figured out that WWs main attack was her bracers smashing together.

And figured out that Flash was trying to run rings around him.

Doesn't take a genius to figure that out dude.

Never said it made him a genius?

I'm saying he's not an idiot.

Originally posted by heru
Speed is a great attribute to have, but it can be beat. If that's the case characters known for speed should never loose a fight when fighting people less then they are. Skill beats speed, and Hela has thousands of years of it over Superman. She's been fighting beings on a cosmic level long before Clark was in existence. If it took a Sky father level villain to take her down. An alien with super speed, and strength has little chance to do so. Once again Doomsday murdered him, and all he brought was brute force, to the fight, with very little intellect other than destruction. Hela will decapitate Clark, and send his head to his mother. You forgot to mention Sutur and Odin as being one of those beings to injure Superman as well. I would of said Hulk, but his MCU showings have been down played.

If a slower character beats a faster character, it's down to plot, i.e. PIS.

yep.

it's the same reason why flash's rogues who lack superspeed can still be written as a legitimate threat to him, even though they should be complete statues.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Never said it made him a genius?

I'm saying he's not an idiot.

There's a difference between saying a person is an "idiot in fighting" vs. a person is an idiot.

No, Superman is definitely not an idiot. But a case can be made that he's an idiot at fighting. I don't agree, but using how he fought against Flash or WW doesn't exactly prove that he isn't an idiot at fighting.

Originally posted by FrothByte
There's a difference between saying a person is an "idiot in fighting" vs. a person is an idiot.

No, Superman is definitely not an idiot. But a case can be made that he's an idiot at fighting. I don't agree, but using how he fought against Flash or WW doesn't exactly prove that he isn't an idiot at fighting.

Why not? He met them for the first time (well, not WW) , and reacted accordingly without them doing any damage or even landing hits (and this includes the rest of the JL).

Kept them at a distance, and used his advantages....well, to his advantage despite being vastly outnumbered.

I'm not saying he's a fighting genius, but neither am I saying he's an idiot. He's just....well, average at fighting.

But not an idiot. Unless you have specific reason to think so?

IMO, DCEU Superman is about as good a fighter as you would expect from someone who has no formal training and basically had to learn on the job (and even then, it's not like he has faced that many big bads to have a chance to improve). Or put it this way. He is a way better fighter than someone like, say, Titans Superboy (who has the same powerset, minus flight, and weird clone muscle memory to fall back on), who somehow manages to get tagged in every single fight he is in despite often using things like heat vision and vastly outclassing most of his opponents and their weapons in terms of speed.

To give an example of what I mean, one of the first things he tries to do against Doomsday is get him the phuck out of dodge and away from everything else. Of course, the military nuking them buggered up that plan. But it shows that he is thinking and learned from his fight with Zod. Or at least that's how it came across to me.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Why not? He met them for the first time (well, not WW) , and reacted accordingly without them doing any damage or even landing hits (and this includes the rest of the JL).

Kept them at a distance, and used his advantages....well, to his advantage despite being vastly outnumbered.

I'm not saying he's a fighting genius, but neither am I saying he's an idiot. He's just....well, average at fighting.

But not an idiot. Unless you have specific reason to think so?

He used his overwhelmingly superior physical traits to defeat them. Not sure why that would be impressive. Even a dog would react the same way.

But yes, I do have some examples of why he might be considered an idiot at fighting.

1. In the fight against Doomsday, why did he think he needed to be the one to hit DD with the Kryptonite spear? He could have easily given the spear to Diana and asked Diana to throw it at DD.

2. In the fight against the other Kryptonians who couldn't fly and didn't have heat vision, why didn't he just levitate in the air and bombard them with his heat vision?

3. In the fight against Steppenwolf, if he was so darn fast and strong that he could easily evade Steppenwolf's hit, why didn't he hit him enough times to completely knockout Steppenwofl to take him out of the game?

To be fair, many superheroes do stupid things in their fights here and there. The main difference is they also do things that show tactical thinking and skill. Superman has nothing like that. No feats of inspired skill or tactical thinking to offset his idiotic moments.

Originally posted by FrothByte
He used his overwhelmingly superior physical traits to defeat them. Not sure why that would be impressive. Even a dog would react the same way.

But yes, I do have some examples of why he might be considered an idiot at fighting.

1. In the fight against Doomsday, why did he think he needed to be the one to hit DD with the Kryptonite spear? He could have easily given the spear to Diana and asked Diana to throw it at DD.

2. In the fight against the other Kryptonians who couldn't fly and didn't have heat vision, why didn't he just levitate in the air and bombard them with his heat vision?

3. In the fight against Steppenwolf, if he was so darn fast and strong that he could easily evade Steppenwolf's hit, why didn't he hit him enough times to completely knockout Steppenwofl to take him out of the game?

To be fair, many superheroes do stupid things in their fights here and there. The main difference is they also do things that show tactical thinking and skill. Superman has nothing like that. No feats of inspired skill or tactical thinking to offset his idiotic moments.

He opens the battle with the JL by scanning them first, collecting info. No, a dog doesn't scan me before attacking - it doesn't sniff and lick me.

Then before WW can use her 'ultimate attack', he speeds in and puts his hand in between them, stopping her. No, a dog doesn't do that either, with pre-emptive measures.

Like I said, I am not saying he is a genius. Neither is he an idiot. He just...is.

But the analogy with the dog is a good one though. Even a dog knows to try and use its speed to avoid hits.

Superman would never get hit by Hela, as he would use his speed to dodge/avoid attacks. Even dumb animals would do so.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
He opens the battle with the JL by scanning them first, collecting info. No, a dog doesn't scan me before attacking - it doesn't sniff and lick me.

Then before WW can use her 'ultimate attack', he speeds in and puts his hand in between them, stopping her. No, a dog doesn't do that either, with pre-emptive measures.

Like I said, I am not saying he is a genius. Neither is he an idiot. He just...is.

But the analogy with the dog is a good one though. Even a dog knows to try and use its speed to avoid hits.

Superman would never get hit by Hela, as he would use his speed to dodge/avoid attacks. Even dumb animals would do so.

Of course a dog assesses you first before attacking. That's why it won't recklessly attack a bear out of hand or pick a fight with an entire pack of dogs while it's alone. It's why dogs will bark at some people they've assessed are threats whereas they'll be completely friendly with other people.

Don't know why you think Diana's shockwave is her "ultimate attack" (it isn't that strong) but if you think Superman showed fighting smarts just because he stopped an attack that he had already seen used before, well, you have a low bar for what fighting smarts are. It certainly isn't enough to negate the stupid things he's done like trying to kill DD with a kryptonite spear himself.

As for never getting hit by Hela, he can run around Hela for a bit, dodge a number of hits, but in the end Hela will just keep regenerating. And it's not like Superman is completely unhittable by people who don't have superspeed. Cyborg was able to land shots against him after all, so did Batman.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Of course a dog assesses you first before attacking. That's why it won't recklessly attack a bear out of hand or pick a fight with an entire pack of dogs while it's alone. It's why dogs will bark at some people they've assessed are threats whereas they'll be completely friendly with other people.

Don't know why you think Diana's shockwave is her "ultimate attack" (it isn't that strong) but if you think Superman showed fighting smarts just because he stopped an attack that he had already seen used before, well, you have a low bar for what fighting smarts are. It certainly isn't enough to negate the stupid things he's done like trying to kill DD with a kryptonite spear himself.

As for never getting hit by Hela, he can run around Hela for a bit, dodge a number of hits, but in the end Hela will just keep regenerating. And it's not like Superman is completely unhittable by people who don't have superspeed. Cyborg was able to land shots against him after all, so did Batman.

If a character sustains a certain amount of damage then they will die or be koed. Hela does not heal infinitely fast. Superman just has to accumulate damage faster than she can heal and he will eventually win. Superman can also use one of her blades to slice a limb off.

Originally posted by h1a8
If a character sustains a certain amount of damage then they will die or be koed. Hela does not heal infinitely fast. Superman just has to accumulate damage faster than she can heal and he will eventually win. Superman can also use one of her blades to slice a limb off.

Remember your rule, either post examples of Superman using that tactic or it's not valid for debate

Unless of course you want to admit to being a hypocrite. Well, do you?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
If a slower character beats a faster character, it's down to plot, i.e. PIS. So beings like Darkseid, Thanos, and countless others. Shouldn't be able to beat the Flash, because he's to fast to hit right? Let's step back to reality for a second. Skill, experience, and intellect can beat speed. Let's use boxers or ufc fighters with incredible speed for example. They take losses against guys they might be faster then. Why is this, there speed should clearly be the deciding factor in every fight right? Unfortunately it isn't. When fighters loose to other fighters that are slower than them, it's usually because the fighter is a more experienced fighter, who's relying on skill, and intellect rather then just ability. Yeah i know boxers, and MMA fighters don't move as fast as Superman, but it's safe to say it's an equivalent comparison to one who's known for speed vs one who isn't. Now back to the comic world. Hela clearly has the experience, skill, and intellect over Clark in battle. Not to mention she's a God, who despite the showing would have some type of God like speed. Add all the above with the right timing, and Superman flies right into sword for speed blitzing one to many times.

Originally posted by h1a8
If a character sustains a certain amount of damage then they will die or be koed. Hela does not heal infinitely fast. Superman just has to accumulate damage faster than she can heal and he will eventually win. Superman can also use one of her blades to slice a limb off.

If you're using the logic of "Hela can't keep up her healing indefinitely" then I can also use the logic of "Superman can't use his speed indefinitely". Do you agree?

As for Hela not healing infinitely fast, you really need to watch the movie before making comments. Hela's healing was pretty much instantaneous.

Originally posted by FrothByte
If you're using the logic of "Hela can't keep up her healing indefinitely" then I can also use the logic of "Superman can't use his speed indefinitely". Do you agree?

As for Hela not healing infinitely fast, you really need to watch the movie before making comments. Hela's healing was pretty much instantaneous.

Did I say anything about indefinitely? I said if she accrues a certain amount of damage then she will die or be koed. Superman just needs to accumulate damage faster than she heals. Hela will eventually be damaged well enough to die or be koed.

Originally posted by heru
So beings like Darkseid, Thanos, and countless others. Shouldn't be able to beat the Flash, because he's to fast to hit right? Let's step back to reality for a second. Skill, experience, and intellect can beat speed. Let's use boxers or ufc fighters with incredible speed for example. They take losses against guys they might be faster then. Why is this, there speed should clearly be the deciding factor in every fight right? Unfortunately it isn't. When fighters loose to other fighters that are slower than them, it's usually because the fighter is a more experienced fighter, who's relying on skill, and intellect rather then just ability. Yeah i know boxers, and MMA fighters don't move as fast as Superman, but it's safe to say it's an equivalent comparison to one who's known for speed vs one who isn't. Now back to the comic world. Hela clearly has the experience, skill, and intellect over Clark in battle. Not to mention she's a God, who despite the showing would have some type of God like speed. Add all the above with the right timing, and Superman flies right into sword for speed blitzing one to many times.

Being slightly faster is not necessarily a deciding factor of who wins.
Once the ratio of speed exceeds a certain amount then it is impossible for the faster to lose.
For example, if someone is 1000x faster then 0.1 seconds in the slower's mind would be equivalent to 100 seconds (more than a minute) to the faster. The slower is basically a statue.

Originally posted by heru
I made a mistake while posting, which is why it was posted three times. You take no credit for that. So please put your hard on away, it's embarrassing.

Calm down, you're more hysterical than a middle aged woman who found out her boyfriend is molesting her daughter.



I have no idea why you thought bringing this up would help your argument.



No, it went through her despite being wielded by a fodder. She survived because of her healing factor, but that is a very low showing for her actual durability.



While being exposed to kryptonite, which removes his powers. You are aware that's how it works right? You'd have to be pretty stupid to think otherwise.



Even before awakening his full power Thor was able to break her headress and stab her with his spear.

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23 seconds in.

She had the advantage, but she also immediately healed every wound Thor dealt her, whereas every stab, cut, or bruise on Thor stuck. That is the biggest difference between them, her healing factor due to Asgard.

This is irrelevant because I've already acknowledged Superman can't kill Hela. He will beat her senseless with her being incapable of doing anything though.



It is.



Skill only matters if the characters are comparable physically. We saw how well Captain America's much greater skill helped him against Quicksilver.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/aa/8b/f2/aa8bf2fcb1bc1d0c2576e5e83a6e039e.gif



And too slow to even begin to use that strength against him.



Presumably dodge them with his super speed, since he is literally so fast that Hela would be frozen in time from his perception.

What could she possibly do when Superman can attack her faster than she can think, much less move?



Not only is this irrelevant to my argument, it's also completely baseless conjecture.

Try to prove Hela survived the destruction of Asgard. I'll wait.



Doomsday would also physically dominate Hela, though he's stupid enough and doesn't use his speed well enough that she might be able to pull the win against him.

Regardless, Clark legitimately would pummel Hela's skull in over and over again and she would be physically incapable of seeing him while he moves, much less fighting back.

This is what will happen whenever Hela tries to attack him:

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/AgonizingDisastrousKissingbug-max-1mb.gif

Originally posted by heru
So beings like Darkseid, Thanos, and countless others. Shouldn't be able to beat the Flash, because he's to fast to hit right? Let's step back to reality for a second. Skill, experience, and intellect can beat speed. Let's use boxers or ufc fighters with incredible speed for example. They take losses against guys they might be faster then. Why is this, there speed should clearly be the deciding factor in every fight right? Unfortunately it isn't. When fighters loose to other fighters that are slower than them, it's usually because the fighter is a more experienced fighter, who's relying on skill, and intellect rather then just ability. Yeah i know boxers, and MMA fighters don't move as fast as Superman, but it's safe to say it's an equivalent comparison to one who's known for speed vs one who isn't. Now back to the comic world. Hela clearly has the experience, skill, and intellect over Clark in battle. Not to mention she's a God, who despite the showing would have some type of God like speed. Add all the above with the right timing, and Superman flies right into sword for speed blitzing one to many times. The gap in speed between Superman and Hela is substantially larger than the gap in speed between a paraplegic four year old girl and Floyd Mayweather Jr.

You're clearly not very smart so let me reiterate: The gap between Superman and Hela is greater than the gap between any two human beings alive. Greater than the gap between just about any two living things ever.

Your comparisons don't work because the gap between the people you're comparing isn't even close to as wide.

Put it like this.

Who would win, a supremely skilled Tyson in his prime, with Bruce Lee's skills etc...

Or a grunt with ten days' basic weapons training and a gun? Assume for both sides, nerves etc don't come into things, and they're both looking to deal damage to the other side (so no freezing up because Tyson is coming at you, nor would Tyson freeze because a punk has a gun pointed at him).

Originally posted by h1a8
Did I say anything about indefinitely? I said if she accrues a certain amount of damage then she will die or be koed. Superman just needs to accumulate damage faster than she heals. Hela will eventually be damaged well enough to die or be koed.

And what on screen feats from Hela did you base this theory of yours on?

Originally posted by FrothByte
And what on screen feats from Hela did you base this theory of yours on?

The feats he came up with in his head and ignored movie feats to speak about.

Because if I recall, it was stated by Odin that Hela was too powerful for even him to kill back before he started being weakened by age. And Ragnarok stopped her, but we didn't see her die. Nor did getting hit with the largest lightning bolt in the history of lightning bolts slow her down for more than a few moments.

Id like to hear someone explain how Hela hits superman

Slower people than her have hit him in the past. But she could also just spam enough swords into the air that he can't dodge all of them and still get to her like she did with the Valkyries.

No one hit him a single time after his final speed upgrade during / after fighting the flash.

Originally posted by KingD19
Slower people than her have hit him in the past. But she could also just spam enough swords into the air that he can't dodge all of them and still get to her like she did with the Valkyries. Iow you want her to use ooc spammy tactics while at the same time gimping Superman's speed. Lol, friend.

Originally posted by BrolyBlack
No one hit him a single time after his final speed upgrade during / after fighting the flash.

1. What makes you think he got a speed upgrade there instead of simply having a slow-motion scene?

2. Cyborg and Wonder Woman were able to land hits on Superman even after he was resurrected.

Originally posted by Adam Grimes
Iow you want her to use ooc spammy tactics while at the same time gimping Superman's speed. Lol, friend.

Hela has multiple on-screen feats of using so-called spammy tactics whereas DCEU Superman has instances of getting tagged by slower enemies in every single movie he's appeared in.

Originally posted by FrothByte
And what on screen feats from Hela did you base this theory of yours on?

A character has no special attributes unless there is evidence to support it.

If Hela is subject to a certain amount of damage then she dies or becomes koed. That's how Surtur beat her. For example, Hela would die if she was disintegrated, Decapitated, beat to a blood smear, etc.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Hela has multiple on-screen feats of using so-called spammy tactics whereas DCEU Superman has instances of getting tagged by slower enemies in every single movie he's appeared in.

1. Hela is not going to throw weapons to where Superman isn't. Therefore she is not going to spam the sky with weapons unless there are many opponents.

2. Let's assume she does 1. Then By the time she spams the area with weapons then a long ass amount of time would have passed in Superman's mind. That would mean he purposely sat there and waited hours for her to get her statued weapons in the air.

3. Assuming Superman allowed 2. for shits and giggles then all the weapons would still be frozen in the air in Superman's perspective. He could easily move around and grab each weapon out of the air and throw it back at her.


What you are not understanding is that astronomical speed is equivalent to stopping time,

Originally posted by FrothByte
1. What makes you think he got a speed upgrade there instead of simply having a slow-motion scene?

2. Cyborg and Wonder Woman were able to land hits on Superman even after he was resurrected.

Read what I said, or can you not understand what I typed?

Originally posted by h1a8
A character has no special attributes unless there is evidence to support it.

If Hela is subject to a certain amount of damage then she dies or becomes koed. That's how Surtur beat her.

No it isn't. Stop acting like you watched the movie.

Surtur beat her by triggering Ragnarok and destroying all of Asgard, which was the source of her power. No Asgard, No Hela. If he hadn't completely obliterated the planet, she would have just gotten back up.

Also Superman doesn't stop time with how fast he is, as Flash is faster than him, and even to Flash things move. Like when Batman threw a Batarang and he saw it in slow motion. Or when he tipped Diana's sword back to her.

Originally posted by BrolyBlack
Read what I said, or can you not understand what I typed?

I did, and I'm replying to it to get clarification. No need to get so grouchy, unless you're unable to address my points?

Originally posted by FrothByte
Hela has multiple on-screen feats of using so-called spammy tactics whereas DCEU Superman has instances of getting tagged by slower enemies in every single movie he's appeared in. And she also has feats of fighting as you'd call 'stupid fighting' earlier in the thread. So why do you guys cling on the few instances where she uses such tactics while trying to limit Superman to the showings that fit your narrative?

And Superman fought very differently in his last appearance, which btw is per the forum rules what we go by.

Originally posted by h1a8
A character has no special attributes unless there is evidence to support it.

If Hela is subject to a certain amount of damage then she dies or becomes koed. That's how Surtur beat her. For example, Hela would die if she was disintegrated, Decapitated, beat to a blood smear, etc.

h1, please watch the movie first before running your mouth like an idiot. Everyone who watched the movie knows that Surtur defeated Hela by destroying Asgard which is her power source, not just smashing her.

Hela also has various on-screen feats of instantaneous healing, a point which you have been dodging since I raised it.

Originally posted by Adam Grimes
And she also has feats of fighting as you'd call 'stupid fighting' earlier in the thread. So why do you guys cling on the few instances where she uses such tactics while trying to limit Superman to the showings that fit your narrative?

And Superman fought very differently in his last appearance, which btw is per the forum rules what we go by.

In my earlier posts, I mentioned almost all characters have instances of "stupid fighting". The difference is that these other characters have feats of "smart fighting" that is usually enough to cancel out their stupid fighting feats. Superman has extremely few of these "smart fighting" feats.

In any case, yes, we're going by his last appearance. In which case he was still hit by Cyborg and Wonder Woman, neither of whom looked like they were using any sort of super speed when they hit Superman.

Your turn.

Originally posted by KingD19
No it isn't. Stop acting like you watched the movie.

Surtur beat her by triggering Ragnarok and destroying all of Asgard, which was the source of her power. No Asgard, No Hela. If he hadn't completely obliterated the planet, she would have just gotten back up.

Also Superman doesn't stop time with how fast he is, as Flash is faster than him, and even to Flash things move. Like when Batman threw a Batarang and he saw it in slow motion. Or when he tipped Diana's sword back to her.

Speculation.
Always source of power doesn't mean you will die once you lose that source. Thor didn't die.

Flash can alter his perception. Did you see how fast he drew on the man's face? We didn't see him move. You think a Batarang moves somewhere in the vicinity of that? Either the Batarang was moving that fast (a good feat for Batman) or he just choose to allow his perception to be that fast at that time.

And if you want to nitpick then you would have to also argue that bullet DP sliced was slow as shit since we see the truck moving in the same scene.

It's called fiction inconsistency.

Thor wasn't powered by Asgard. Hela is literally stated to have Asgard as the source of her power, and the longer she's there, the more powerful she becomes. She's the only one with that distinction. Another nod you didn't watch Ragnarok.

Originally posted by FrothByte
In my earlier posts, I mentioned almost all characters have instances of "stupid fighting". The difference is that these other characters have feats of "smart fighting" that is usually enough to cancel out their stupid fighting feats. Superman has extremely few of these "smart fighting" feats.

In any case, yes, we're going by his last appearance. In which case he was still hit by Cyborg and Wonder Woman, neither of whom looked like they were using any sort of super speed when they hit Superman.

Your turn. Basically you are doubling down on the stance of sticking to certain feats from both sides? Lol, friend.

Wonder Woman is already >>>> the MCU in terms of speed though, so getting head-butted while not actively trying to beat her is not a low feat at all.

Originally posted by Adam Grimes
Basically you are doubling down on the stance of sticking to certain feats from both sides? Lol, friend.

Wonder Woman is already >>>> the MCU in terms of speed though, so getting head-butted while not actively trying to beat her is not a low feat at all. Originally posted by Adam Grimes
And she also has feats of fighting as you'd call 'stupid fighting' earlier in the thread. So why do you guys cling on the few instances where she uses such tactics while trying to limit Superman to the showings that fit your narrative?

And Superman fought very differently in his last appearance, which btw is per the forum rules what we go by.



He's done here

Originally posted by FrothByte
Where does it state that the fight is taking on Asgard? In any case, even outside Asgard, Hela was strong enough to crush Mjolnir in her grip. I'd like to see proof of Superman being able to easily snap the neck of someone that strong.

You are free to go

Originally posted by FrothByte
In my earlier posts, I mentioned almost all characters have instances of "stupid fighting". The difference is that these other characters have feats of "smart fighting" that is usually enough to cancel out their stupid fighting feats. Superman has extremely few of these "smart fighting" feats.

In any case, yes, we're going by his last appearance. In which case he was still hit by Cyborg and Wonder Woman, neither of whom looked like they were using any sort of super speed when they hit Superman.

Your turn.

Well at least we've moved on from 'no' smart fighting to 'few'.

Originally posted by Adam Grimes
Basically you are doubling down on the stance of sticking to certain feats from both sides? Lol, friend.

Wonder Woman is already >>>> the MCU in terms of speed though, so getting head-butted while not actively trying to beat her is not a low feat at all.

Probably why Wonder Woman keeps struggling and getting hit by non-speedsters right?

You also missed the part where Wonder Woman shield bashed Superman. And yeah, go ahead and ignore the fact the Cyborg landed a hit on Superman as well.

Anyway, I judge characters based on their most consistent feats unless they are specifically stated to have received an upgrade/downgrade in which case I use their upgraded/downgraded versions. What I do not do is pick a single highest showing that contradicts the rest of their showings.

Originally posted by BrolyBlack
You are free to go

Feel free to reply to me with something resembling a decent argument.

Originally posted by NemeBro
The gap in speed between Superman and Hela is substantially larger than the gap in speed between a paraplegic four year old girl and Floyd Mayweather Jr.

You're clearly not very smart so let me reiterate: The gap between Superman and Hela is greater than the gap between any two human beings alive. Greater than the gap between just about any two living things ever.

Your comparisons don't work because the gap between the people you're comparing isn't even close to as wide. Fanboy give it a rest please. Superman is not beating Hela. She's been beating beings far more powerful then he is for countless centuries. Superman will struggle with Thor in a fight. How is he beating Hela? She doesn't have to be as fast as him to win. She's a better fighter, have more experience, and better powers to get the job done. All he is strength and speed, nothing more. He's been out smarted by Lex countless times, a being who is a paralegic turtle interms of speed compare to him.... Lol

Originally posted by h1a8
A character has no special attributes unless there is evidence to support it.

If Hela is subject to a certain amount of damage then she dies or becomes koed. That's how Surtur beat her. For example, Hela would die if she was disintegrated, Decapitated, beat to a blood smear, etc. We don't know if Surtur killed her, because they never showed her dead. What it showed was Asgard being destroyed bringing forth the prophecy of Asgard destruction.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Probably why Wonder Woman keeps struggling and getting hit by non-speedsters right?

You also missed the part where Wonder Woman shield bashed Superman. And yeah, go ahead and ignore the fact the Cyborg landed a hit on Superman as well.

Anyway, I judge characters based on their most consistent feats unless they are specifically stated to have received an upgrade/downgrade in which case I use their upgraded/downgraded versions. What I do not do is pick a single highest showing that contradicts the rest of their showings. I understand.

Because you want Hela to win she gets her best feats and Superman his 'lows' while also low-balling the people involved along the way. You just keep repeating that with barely different words, friend. Lol

Originally posted by FrothByte
Feel free to reply to me with something resembling a decent argument.

Did Stepenwold hit Superman? The answer is no, Did steppenwold hit Wonderwoman who is a bullet timer and dodger, the answer is yes.

Did Hela ever resemble any sort of bullet timing speeds. the answer is no

This is simple logic that you simply dont comprehend. So now you will come up with a bunch of lies and bullshit like Heru did.

Originally posted by Adam Grimes
I understand.

Because you want Hela to win she gets her best feats and Superman his 'lows' while also low-balling the people involved along the way. You just keep repeating that with barely different words, friend. Lol

He's been doing this for 10+, know what else he's been doing that long, we have had to put up with and endure his shitty avatar and signature of Ghost Rider which is the real crime here

Originally posted by Adam Grimes
I understand.

Because you want Hela to win she gets her best feats and Superman his 'lows' while also low-balling the people involved along the way. You just keep repeating that with barely different words, friend. Lol

I never even said that Hela wins. Just pointing out that Superman is consistently getting hit by opponents who don't have superspeed and that Hela consistently spams her blades. That's neither highs nor lows for each character. It is simply their norm. You're just disguising them with words like "highs" and "lows" so you can discredit one and praise the other.

Originally posted by BrolyBlack
He's been doing this for 10+, know what else he's been doing that long, we have had to put up with and endure his shitty avatar and signature of Ghost Rider which is the real crime here

Funny, I don't recall you having been around for 10+ years to have known me during that time. In fact, your account says you were only a member since 2018. So who's sock account are you of hmm?

Originally posted by KingD19
Slower people than her have hit him in the past. But she could also just spam enough swords into the air that he can't dodge all of them and still get to her like she did with the Valkyries. She couldn't use a single sword before Superman has punched her through a building and then punched her once more.

This isn't a turn based RPG. Superman doesn't have to wait for Hela to spam her swords before he does anything.

Originally posted by Adam Grimes
And she also has feats of fighting as you'd call 'stupid fighting' earlier in the thread. So why do you guys cling on the few instances where she uses such tactics while trying to limit Superman to the showings that fit your narrative?

And Superman fought very differently in his last appearance, which btw is per the forum rules what we go by. The guy you're talking to is a retard who thinks that Diana has to consciously turn on and then off her super speed and that she doesn't use any when she fights, he's usually not worth responding to.

Originally posted by heru
Fanboy give it a rest please.

Too much of a dickless coward to go post to post with me? I don't blame you, you are a bit of a retard tbh.



He'd beat her worse than a middle aged woman beats the man who molested her teenage daughter tbh.



You can name exactly one character she fought in the "countless centuries" of her existence before Thor: Ragnarok. It was Odin, and Odin beat her.



You're really begging the question here. You have yet to prove Hela beats Superman, now you assert she can because Superman would struggle with Thor, another assertion you have yet to prove?



If she were immune to his damage or was anything other than a brick who can make swords then that would be true.

But she's not, so her being much slower is an insurmountable advantage.



How does this help her hit something that moves faster than the synapses firing in her brain forming thoughts, and can perceive every action she makes in extremely slow motion?



Let's count their offensive powerset shall we!

Hela has:

Super strength
The ability to create swords of varying sizes

Superman has:

Super strength
Super speed
Heat vision
Freeze breath
Flight

Yet you think Hela has the better powers? Lol!



Please show me the scene where DCEU Lex Luthor beats Superman in a fight.

I'm dying to see it.

Originally posted by BrolyBlack
Did Stepenwold hit Superman? The answer is no, Did steppenwold hit Wonderwoman who is a bullet timer and dodger, the answer is yes.

Did Hela ever resemble any sort of bullet timing speeds. the answer is no

This is simple logic that you simply dont comprehend. So now you will come up with a bunch of lies and bullshit like Heru did.

Hey froth ya missed

How did this get to six pages when Hela obviously wins?

Originally posted by FrothByte
I never even said that Hela wins. Just pointing out that Superman is consistently getting hit by opponents who don't have superspeed and that Hela consistently spams her blades. That's neither highs nor lows for each character. It is simply their norm. You're just disguising them with words like "highs" and "lows" so you can discredit one and praise the other. I'll go the extra mile and use your logic to exemplify how stupid it is.

Hela never displayed the super duper mega strength she did when she crushed Mjolnir. Should I go ahead and claim Hela has to activate her strength before using it?

And yet still, it's the one feat you cling on to when cornered. Lol, friend.

Originally posted by NemeBro
The guy you're talking to is a retard who thinks that Diana has to consciously turn on and then off her super speed and that she doesn't use any when she fights, he's usually not worth responding to. Lol. Yeah, that stance has always been very... Baffling to me.

Originally posted by FrothByte
h1, please watch the movie first before running your mouth like an idiot. Everyone who watched the movie knows that Surtur defeated Hela by destroying Asgard which is her power source, not just smashing her.

Hela also has various on-screen feats of instantaneous healing, a point which you have been dodging since I raised it.

Something at occurs fast to us humans doesn't mean it is instantaneous. A second to us is instantaneous. A bullet is instantaneous to us. I can go on. But those things are nearly frozen time for Superman. So no, she doesn't heal instantaneously.

Originally posted by KingD19
Thor wasn't powered by Asgard. Hela is literally stated to have Asgard as the source of her power, and the longer she's there, the more powerful she becomes. She's the only one with that distinction. Another nod you didn't watch Ragnarok.

But that doesn't defeat the other points. Source of power has nothing to do with someone's life force. If Hela was on another planet while Asgard was being destroyed then she would have continued to live.

But all of this is moot anyway. If the damage done reaches a certain amount then Hela dies or becomes koed. Otherwise you have to prove that Hela can heal from total disintegration or being decapitated.

Originally posted by riv6672
How did this get to six pages when Hela obviously wins?

What are helas powers dipshit?

Spamming knives, and strength?

What are supermans powers

Flight
Heat Vision
Freeze Breath
Planatary Strength
Moves as fast as flash on the ground
Can fly millions of miles per hour (low end speeds)

Originally posted by Adam Grimes
I'll go the extra mile and use your logic to exemplify how stupid it is.

Hela never displayed the super duper mega strength she did when she crushed Mjolnir. Should I go ahead and claim Hela has to activate her strength before using it?

And yet still, it's the one feat you cling on to when cornered. Lol, friend.

Lol. Yeah, that stance has always been very... Baffling to me.



Froth is frothing at the mouth it seems, he cant wait for a Superman battle so he can randomly lowball superman, exaggerate feats of the other character, then generally lie casually about everything.

Originally posted by FrothByte
I never even said that Hela wins. Just pointing out that Superman is consistently getting hit by opponents who don't have superspeed and that Hela consistently spams her blades. That's neither highs nor lows for each character. It is simply their norm. You're just disguising them with words like "highs" and "lows" so you can discredit one and praise the other.

Yes clearly you are saying Superman wins here by arguing against Superman

"You're just disguising them with words like "highs" and "lows" so you can discredit one and praise the other."

This sounds like the exact thing you do! Im glad you finally realized you are a hypocrite!

Originally posted by FrothByte
Funny, I don't recall you having been around for 10+ years to have known me during that time. In fact, your account says you were only a member since 2018. So who's sock account are you of hmm?

Feel free to reply to me with something resembling a decent argument.

Originally posted by BrolyBlack


Froth is frothing at the mouth it seems, he cant wait for a Superman battle so he can randomly lowball superman, exaggerate feats of the other character, then generally lie casually about everything. Yeah, his train of thought is suspicious to say the least.

Originally posted by BrolyBlack
He's been doing this for 10+, know what else he's been doing that long, we have had to put up with and endure his shitty avatar and signature of Ghost Rider which is the real crime here

Originally posted by BrolyBlack


Froth is frothing at the mouth it seems, he cant wait for a Superman battle so he can randomly lowball superman, exaggerate feats of the other character, then generally lie casually about everything.

You know, I have not said a single mean word to you in this entire thread yet you're going after me like I killed your dog or something.

I can understand getting into a heated discussion with someone but you're not even trying to have a debate with me, just going for flat out insults.

Considering I almost never get into a debate with you, one wonders where exactly all this rancor is coming from.

Originally posted by Adam Grimes
I'll go the extra mile and use your logic to exemplify how stupid it is.

Hela never displayed the super duper mega strength she did when she crushed Mjolnir. Should I go ahead and claim Hela has to activate her strength before using it?

And yet still, it's the one feat you cling on to when cornered. Lol, friend.

Lol. Yeah, that stance has always been very... Baffling to me.

For what it's worth, I was never comfortable with the idea that Hela crushing Mjolnir was a pure strength feat. But it was Battlezoned here and the consensus was that it was indeed and strength feat and so that's what I'm going with.

The main difference though in this case is nothing Hela did contradicts that strength feat. She may not have shown any other strength feat to match that but neither did she do anything to contradict it. She still overpowered Thor multiple times and was never overpowered by any character in the movie.

In comparison, there are multiple feats from Superman getting hit by non-speedsters which completely contradict the idea that he is completely unhittable by non-speedsters. There's also the fact that he has ZERO feats where he speed blitzed any character with super strength and snapped their in a single attack.

So the difference is: I'm claiming Hela will do something that she was regularly shown to do (spamming blades) whereas you're claiming that Superman will do something that he has only ever done once (completely avoid getting hit by a non-speedster) or never (snapping the neck of a superpowered character by blitzing them).


And for what it's worth, I never claimed that Diana turns her superspeed off and on. I have a different explanation for it but I'll only bother trying to explain if you're sincerely curious about it. From the sound of it, nothing I say will convince you anyway.

Originally posted by FrothByte
You know, I have not said a single mean word to you in this entire thread yet you're going after me like I killed your dog or something.

Why point out Hela beating fodder Asgardians and then fail to mention the people SW beat in the past were also fodder?

Originally posted by Silent Master
Why point out Hela beating fodder Asgardians and then fail to mention the people SW beat in the past were also fodder?

Zeus is fodder?

Originally posted by BrolyBlack
Zeus is fodder?

I've not seen any feats from DCEU Zeus that would place him above fodder, but I'm willing to change my mind.

Originally posted by BrolyBlack
Creating mankind
Creating the amazons
Creating Wonder Woman
Creating Thermasica

Where is he shown doing any of that onscreen?

Edit:Plus, how are those combat feats?



Not a feat



Why is that impressive?

Originally posted by Silent Master
Where is he shown doing any of that onscreen?



Not a feat



Why is that impressive?

Yes it was shown on screen he created man.

Originally posted by BrolyBlack
Yes it was shown on screen he created man.

I don't remember that, show the clip.

IIRC, That wasn't even a flashback, it was just a story being retold.

It showed him holding his hand over earth (and a ray of light coming down iirc) and humans being created/formed.

IIRC, That wasn't even a flashback, it was just a story being retold.

Originally posted by Silent Master
I've not seen any feats from DCEU Zeus that would place him above fodder, but I'm willing to change my mind. He blasted apart the Motherboxes with a single lightning bolt (2:24 I think):

59pGuEURNMo

Recall the difficulty Superman had in attaining the same feat.

With that said, this feat is a big outlier, considering how Ares apparently killed Zeus and how easily Diana beat Ares after she awakened her full power. We saw how well her full power stacked up to Superman in Justice League.

It was animated, in other words the feat wasn't actually shown as it happened. it was just a re-creation based on the story being told. A story being told by the Amazons who are not exactly trustworthy in the dceu.

Originally posted by Silent Master
It was animated, in other words the feat wasn't actually shown as it happened. it was just a re-creation based on the story being told. A story being told by the Amazons who are not exactly trustworthy in the dceu. Whatever excuses you have to make to feel better about yourself buddy.

If you consider the truth an excuse, you need help.

Edit: besides, that is hardly a combat feat. So, even if we gave him full credit for it. He'd still be fodder as far as combat goes