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https://dc.fandom.com/wiki/Richard_Swift_(New_Earth)

https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Kevin_Connor_(Earth-616)

Do you believe that Shade could effortlessly hold off the team that Kevin did, or resist abstract beings? I'm asking because I'm not very knowledgeable when it comes to him.

Shade's best team feat imo is creating a barrier that no one could get through.

Think he was merged though.

https://i.imgur.com/qvRYqOB.jpg

There's also Dr Fate saying he'd have trouble with him, and only the Spectre could handle him or something like that.

But Kevin fought 3 Abstract beings and did extremely well against them. He is well above the Herald tier. The Spectre has variable power levels. Kevin has the actual feats, which is what I was asking. If Shade doesn't, this isn't much of a contest.

Starbrand

Originally posted by Stoic
But Kevin fought 3 Abstract beings and did extremely well against them. He is well above the Herald tier. The Spectre has variable power levels. Kevin has the actual feats, which is what I was asking. If Shade doesn't, this isn't much of a contest.
The 3 abstracts fought through proxies. They were empowered by the abstracts, but still he wasnt in direct contact with Eternity's children.

Originally posted by carver9
Starbrand

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
The 3 abstracts fought through proxies. They were empowered by the abstracts, but still he wasnt in direct contact with Eternity's children.
That's how abstracts fight sometimes. Look at Quasar vs Maelstrom. It was really Infinity and Oblivion fighting but through their abstracts.
https://i.postimg.cc/c4PLXr8g/Quasar-Marvel-Comics-Classic-maelstrom-h1.jpg


https://i.postimg.cc/50Zzc1Pn/oblivion-facinginfinity.jpg

This is basically what happened with Starbrand vs Eternity's children. It was a monstrous feat. Haters gonna hate though.

this thread was made by another user's request by mistake,

I personally think Shade one shots

especially modern starbrand which is only planetary

Originally posted by MrMind

especially modern starbrand which is only planetary
What size planet?

Earth, I'd guess.

He's a planetary protector. The Starbrand is limited by the wielder's imagination. The team of Avengers that he effortlessly held off on the very first day of receiving the Starbrand are each individually planetary level threats. Starbrand has the power of an Abstract. Kevin destroys Shade.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Earth, I'd guess.

So he can destroy up to earth sized planets? Wondering because not sure what "only planetary" actually means.

Originally posted by Stoic
He's a planetary protector. The Starbrand is limited by the wielder's imagination. The team of Avengers that he effortlessly held off on the very first day of receiving the Starbrand are each individually planetary level threats. Starbrand has the power of an Abstract. Kevin destroys Shade.

Just want to point out that Shade's power has covered multiple small planets at the same time. While the planets themselves are small, you have to remember the DISTANCE between them would be incredibly large.

Originally posted by MrMind
this thread was made by another user's request by mistake,

I personally think Shade one shots

especially modern starbrand which is only planetary

Yeah and you're also under the impression that Marvel top tiers are equal to DC street tiers. Your entire M.O. is filled with holes.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Just want to point out that Shade's power has covered multiple small planets at the same time. While the planets themselves are small, you have to remember the DISTANCE between them would be incredibly large.

Battle feats?

Originally posted by Stoic
Marvel top tiers are equal to DC street tiers

you are right for the first time in your 50 years of existence, congrats old man

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
So he can destroy up to earth sized planets? Wondering because not sure what "only planetery" actually means.
Why would Kevin destroy planets?

And I would assume each Starbrand would be limited by the denizen of that planet.

But if you're asking what planetary means:

A planet is an astronomical body orbiting a star or stellar remnant that is massive enough to be rounded by its own gravity, is not massive enough to cause thermonuclear fusion, and has cleared its neighbouring region of planetesimals.

So we have an upper limit which is so that fusiydoes not occur.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Why would Kevin destroy planets?

And I would assume each Starbrand would be limited by the denizen of that planet.

But if you're asking what planetary means:

A planet is an astronomical body orbiting a star or stellar remnant that is massive enough to be rounded by its own gravity, is not massive enough to cause thermonuclear fusion, and has cleared its neighbouring region of planetesimals.

So we have an upper limit which is so that fusiydoes not occur.
Not saying he does. Im asking what he mean by "only planetary".
The phrase gets thrown around lot regarding starbrand. Im trying to get a clearer picture of that position.

"fusiydoes"?

****ing fat fingers lmao.

"Fusion"

Originally posted by MrMind
you are right for the first time in your 50 years of existence, congrats old man

In that case it becomes painfully clear that your opinion shouldn't ever be taken seriously. You are exactly like Quanchi, and yet for some reason you haven't been banned for commiting the same fouls that led to him being banned.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Not saying he does. Im asking what he mean by "only planetary".
The phrase gets thrown around lot regarding starbrand. Im trying to get a clearer picture of that position.

"fusiydoes"?

I've tried to edit all the insults out lol.

Originally posted by MrMind

Starbrand is PLANETARY in power, at his max he has the total power to destroy the EARTH. he's the protector of the earth. He is the definition of planetary level
https://imgur.com/a/xrFfJvm
https://imgur.com/a/ngBnOqh
https://imgur.com/dxwuiLf
https://imgur.com/sRKt35I
https://imgur.com/Y612JEi
https://imgur.com/U7BV84O


I guess because it's been bandied about a lot with Starbrand.

Originally posted by Stoic
In that case it becomes painfully clear that your opinion shouldn't ever be taken seriously. You are exactly like Quanchi, and yet for some reason you haven't been banned for commiting the same fouls that led to him being banned.


you are older dumber than carver, yet behave like IT and Quanchi's love child

Yo it feels SO GOOD that I don't have to see mrmind trolling me no more. I ACTUALLY thought he was serious saying those asinine stuff, now theres only abhi that LEGITIMATELY believes dc cosmology is superior. BUT thats cool since its only 1

You're very strange, Albert.

a full power starbrand with Jane Thor, Blue Marvel, Spectrum and Hyperion blasting their hardest, are level around hundreds of nukes
https://imgur.com/a/VlK4chq

it's a planetary defense system, yet people act like there's no limit fallacy.
https://i.imgur.com/wWZRZYT.png

Starbrand is way below Shade's level

Still waiting for Shades battle feats.

Starbrand is limited to the wielder's imagination. There are plenty of low showings for every character that was made. Should we dig up God of will Hal's low showings? This always seems to be the direction taken by stern DC supporters, but when the Marvel side does it it's trolling. And Alberto, I'm not the one. Trust me, you can resume the position.

I think the point is that several times within Kevin Starbrands short career, the point keeps hammering home that he's planetary.

If the Starbrand is limited by it's user's imagination, perhaps Kevin Starbrand has CIS/CIP. Which is still present in forum fights.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I've tried to edit all the insults out lol.


I guess because it's been bandied about a lot with Starbrand.
But wouldnt it be faulty to actually believe that a starbrand is "only planetary" or in this case "only earth level planetary" considering its history and actual on panel feats that show more depth to the power source? I mean if one takes everything into consideration instead of just cherrypicking certain panels then creating a narrative that on the surface alone, logically looks incomplete.. Not saying there are no limits, but it just seems faulty to ascribe or declare an absolute ceiling.

Isn't that it's history though, that it's a planetary defense system? And that to be able to defend a planet, one needs to possess the power to destroy a planet? THAT'S it's history.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I think the point is that several times within Kevin Starbrands short career, the point keeps hammering home that he's planetary.

If the Starbrand is limited by it's user's imagination, perhaps Kevin Starbrand has CIS/CIP. Which is still present in forum fights.

The Starbrand is actually a universal threat. The team that he effortlessly held off as I mentioned ealier are planetary level threats on their own. What is a sufficiently pissed off Hulk for example.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Isn't that it's history though, that it's a planetary defense system? And that to be able to defend a planet, one needs to possess the power to destroy a planet? THAT'S it's history.
Its the notion of "earth" level planetary that seems faulty. When the word "planetary" is thrown around with him, that seems to be the level someone is placing the ceiling. Hence why i always ask, "what size planet?"

Originally posted by Stoic
The Starbrand is actually a universal threat. The team that he effortlessly held off as I mentioned ealier are planetary level threats on their own. What is a sufficiently pissed off Hulk for example.

That's not quite how it works, though.

Hulk was effortlessly teleported away, for example. Any decent teleporter who isn't constrained by Hulk's mass could do so. I wouldn't class them as universal level in scope. Batman with a JLA teleporter could've done the same.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Its the notion of "earth" level planetary that seems faulty. When the word "planetary" is thrown around with him, that seems to be the level someone is placing the ceiling. Hence why i always ask, "what size planet?"

Ah. Then I guess we need to fall back on Kevin's words, which were that he would destroy the Earth. As Stoic points out, he's limited by his imagination.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Ah. Then I guess we need to fall back on Kevin's words, which were that he would destroy the Earth. As Stoic points out, he's limited by his imagination.
We can. He has the power to protect or destroy a world.
Theres also that bit where he must equal the power that would destroy his home planet or some such. Some of the statements can be very open ended. And we know for sure some threats are beyond just "earth" level planetary.

Starbrand

Shade was also battling Egyptian Gods in his last maxi series.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
That's not quite how it works, though.

Hulk was effortlessly teleported away, for example. Any decent teleporter who isn't constrained by Hulk's mass could do so. I wouldn't class them as universal level in scope. Batman with a JLA teleporter could've done the same.

Do you have any scans of the fight in question? I am unable to post scans.

^my real opinion is that if this is classic starbrand wielded by someone like say Ereshkigal then yeah starbrand would win

but per my op it's kevin conner, he's too green, I think he still can take a few wins, just not the majority. he has not many impressive feats, other than beating entropy and those other 2 abstracts who are featless.

He did blow up a beyonder, but then again it was extreme outlier and that whole arc was crazy inconsistent.

Originally posted by MrMind
you are older dumber than carver, yet behave like IT and Quanchi's love child Stop trolling, you dildo.