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For this fight, no gudjets for batman, no claws and healing factor for wolverine.

Batman

They team-up and double anally penetrate h1a8, till he dies from the blood loss.

You're right.

Originally posted by h1a8
Batman

What has Bruce done comparable to owning Shang Chi
inb4 Shiva

Originally posted by h1a8
Batman

This

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
They team-up and double anally penetrate h1a8, till he dies from the blood loss.

Be careful h1 is a force to be reckoned with

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
What has Bruce done comparable to owning Shang Chi
inb4 Shiva
1. I look at the actual skill they displayed. Batman is far more skilled than Logan.

2. I look at their history, and not 1 fight. You can have two peer fighters fight each other multiple times and each fighter will get a win. So beating someone in a fight doesn't necessarily mean you are better than them in general (just like with any sport).

3. Characters don't always fight at their best in comics. In other words, it can be a low showing for Shang Chi. Even Spider-man has had some shitty showings.


4. abc logic for skill comparison is faulty when it comes to characters from different universes why? Because we have no basis in which to compare. Why is Logan better than Batman? Because he beat Shang Chi. But Why is Shang Chi better than Batman? Because he defeated A. But why is A better than Batman? Because A defeated B. But why is B better than Batman? I can go on and on. There has to be a beginning basis (character X). But how would you compare that character X to Batman using abc logic if they never fought?

It's not just one fight.

Logan gave Cap a massive hematoma with a casual kick while pinned down, got Daredevil in a full nelson hold in a few panels after getting blindsided, beat Danny in their exhibition match in front of the New Avengers.

The list goes on.

Originally posted by h1a8
1. I look at the actual skill they displayed. Batman is far more skilled than Logan.

2. I look at their history, and not 1 fight. You can have two peer fighters fight each other multiple times and each fighter will get a win. So beating someone in a fight doesn't necessarily mean you are better than them in general (just like with any sport).

3. Characters don't always fight at their best in comics. In other words, it can be a low showing for Shang Chi. Even Spider-man has had some shitty showings.


4. abc logic for skill comparison is faulty when it comes to characters from different universes why? Because we have no basis in which to compare. Why is Logan better than Batman? Because he beat Shang Chi. But Why is Shang Chi better than Batman? Because he defeated A. But why is A better than Batman? Because A defeated B. But why is B better than Batman? I can go on and on. There has to be a beginning basis (character X). But how would you compare that character X to Batman using abc logic if they never fought?

Good post

Originally posted by Ize19
So, looking back at my old skill post, all of the links are dead. On top of that, a couple of them have been reposted, so I think it's time to make a slightly adjusted re-up of an old favorite.

One reason that Wolverine is underrated as a martial artist, is that his physical abilities give him an edge that the other top tier's don't have. Well, here we have him fighting against Domina, the leader of the Neo, a group of superhumans. She has already dominated Sabretooth, killed Sinister, and handled an X-Men team composed of Thunderbird, Psylocke, Cicilia Reyes, Colossus, Rogue, and Nightcrawler. Then Wolverine comes onto the scene, and does this:

http://i.imgur.com/lUcijVW.jpg

Here he goes up against 1800 Hand ninja, along with Elektra, and demolishes them, without getting scratched:

http://imgur.com/yR9KqCz
http://imgur.com/vjA8oxS
http://imgur.com/FFBi4Hc
http://imgur.com/hbLS3qX
http://imgur.com/vkOueDW
http://imgur.com/CbcMdy0

If you think that the lack of a torn up uniform isn't evidence of not getting injured, then check out how this artist drew Wolverine when he was taking while he got:

http://imgur.com/V9ZMcY2

Here Wolverine defeats Daredevil in five panels, taking one cheap shot to start the fight, then dominating from there.

http://imgur.com/9J6VhMO
http://imgur.com/HwlhFRx

Here Wolverine faces off against, and forces onto the defensive, an Iron Fist more powerful and skilled than Danny Rand (Pre-Upgrade,):

http://imgur.com/vQJ2odE
http://imgur.com/ZLR6OVA

But of course, who you can beat isn't everything (Otherwise I would have posted more scans of Ogun, Shingen, Shogun, Stick, Shang Chi, and Captain America.) So here are some instances of Wolverine's fighting knowledge.

In this scan, we learn about Wolverine's knowledge of "nerve clusters, crucial pressure points, where a blow can instantly paralyze someone, or kill."

http://imgur.com/8fNKDDQ

It makes sense he'd know these, as he can "incapacitate, mobilize... maim and cripple a hundred different ways":

http://imgur.com/jjQg7Ok

We see him put that knowledge to use here, while under Hydra's control in EOTS, against the Thing

http://imgur.com/b0OiwtS

And here we see him knee Captain America in the thigh, giving him a "Femoral artery pseudo-aneurism" that sends him to the hospital (though not immediately):

http://i.imgur.com/QafDJOJ.jpg

And of course, his most impressive to date, crumbling a chi-amping brick who "hits like the Thing, if the Thing was a ninth degree black belt and could kick you in the face ":

http://imgur.com/OoULqclj
http://imgur.com/iVAZkNI

The actual feat: http://imgur.com/UZCoSdY

You can also consider his knowledge and ability with joint locks. How about a small sampling for that?

http://imgur.com/wUOasqI
http://imgur.com/0yXeqhY
http://imgur.com/GWhPQw8

Wolverine is dangerous, whether he can use his hands, or not:

http://imgur.com/cQlAYGC
http://imgur.com/31B6T5p
http://imgur.com/1cse0VQ

Wolverine is also capable of attacking in several directions simultaneously:

http://imgur.com/M6605z5
http://imgur.com/7ID6Cso
http://imgur.com/2sR01RH

Oh yeah, and he can convince Hand ninja and Hydra soldiers, that he's Captain America - while using a trash can lid for a shield:

http://imgur.com/hC1CRJt
http://imgur.com/YNedqhw
http://imgur.com/PXsDJb6
http://imgur.com/ywTjh4G

If there are any lingering doubts about Wolverine's abilities as a martial artist, well, there's more where these came from. Until then, enjoy!

Batman wins, with ease.


The clot move is good, but doubt it would work if Cap wasn't open from nullifying the claws.

And come on, Junzo Muto??

I'm not even offended he brought that up as an Iron Fist fan. I'm offended as a comic book fan. That story was AWFUL.



Misty and Cage actually hit Junzo, they looked better then Logan.

Originally posted by cdtm
Batman wins, with ease.


The clot move is good, but doubt it would work if Cap wasn't open from nullifying the claws.

And Steve wouldn't get the chance to do that, if Wolverine wasn't open from nullifying his shield...

Two can can play this game, cd.


Post-Flashpoint Superman noted how the new Batman is not the old one. So DC bois should stop using the composite version that doesn't exist

Originally posted by cdtm
And come on, Junzo Muto??

I'm not even offended he brought that up as an Iron Fist fan. I'm offended as a comic book fan. That story was AWFUL.



Misty and Cage actually hit Junzo, they looked better then Logan.

Logan had the decisive upper hand, as Iron Fist himself said.



And Junzo is just one name out of many. Murderous Lion got punked by Logan, too.

All those Immortal Weapons/K'un-Lun types are easy opponents.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Logan had the decisive upper hand, as Iron Fist himself said.



And Junzo is just one name out of many. Murderous Lion got punked by Logan, too.

All those Immortal Weapons/K'un-Lun types are easy opponents.


Except for Iron Fist.

Who got armbar'd and schooled in front of Luke Cage and his team?

Which happened after the Book of Iron Fist upgrade and all that extra training, I remind you.

Originally posted by h1a8
1. I look at the actual skill they displayed. Batman is far more skilled than Logan.

2. I look at their history, and not 1 fight. You can have two peer fighters fight each other multiple times and each fighter will get a win. So beating someone in a fight doesn't necessarily mean you are better than them in general (just like with any sport).

3. Characters don't always fight at their best in comics. In other words, it can be a low showing for Shang Chi. Even Spider-man has had some shitty showings.


4. abc logic for skill comparison is faulty when it comes to characters from different universes why? Because we have no basis in which to compare. Why is Logan better than Batman? Because he beat Shang Chi. But Why is Shang Chi better than Batman? Because he defeated A. But why is A better than Batman? Because A defeated B. But why is B better than Batman? I can go on and on. There has to be a beginning basis (character X). But how would you compare that character X to Batman using abc logic if they never fought?

Batman has NEVER beaten ANY Actual A-lister LEGITIMATELY in a clean fight. EVER.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Logan had the decisive upper hand, as Iron Fist himself said.



And Junzo is just one name out of many. Murderous Lion got punked by Logan, too.

All those Immortal Weapons/K'un-Lun types are easy opponents.


Yes, a spar. Compare to their fight.


And Rand was at a 3 anyways. I love how Logan gave absolutely no shits about his come back.

Originally posted by cdtm
Yes, a spar. Compare to their fight.

A spar in front of their entire team.

No claws, no fist. Anything else was a fair game and Danny got bested.

Their first fight was written back when Wolverine had no martial arts background or even fully established powerset. And Danny looked like Beast trying to slow down the Juggernaut in that fight.

Originally posted by cdtm
And Rand was at a 3 anyways. I love how Logan gave absolutely no shits about his come back.

Because it was obvious Danny was butthurt about losing

Same as he's always butthurt about Daredevil and Shang-Chi being better than him.

Much as I'd love to go back and forth on whether Danny sucks or is awesome A case can be made he's both. Did you see the one where Deadpool laughed at his face?


As far as Batman goes, this is kind of an unfair thread, because none of the Bat superfans are in it.


If they were, we'd have seen scans of Bruce beating Diana on skill by now. Or tanking getting slammed into the pavement by the same, dodging an Ivy infected Superman, holding his own with Karate Kid...


The same cheesy things all popular characters get, that Logan is enjoying scans of here.

Originally posted by cdtm
Much as I'd love to go back and forth on whether Danny sucks or is awesome A case can be made he's both. Did you see the one where Deadpool laughed at his face?


As far as Batman goes, this is kind of an unfair thread, because none of the Bat superfans are in it.


If they were, we'd have seen scans of Bruce beating Diana on skill by now. Or tanking getting slammed into the pavement by the same, dodging an Ivy infected Superman, holding his own with Karate Kid...


The same cheesy things all popular characters get, that Logan is enjoying scans of here.

Don't need it. Speaks for himself

Logan, always Logan.

Originally posted by cdtm
If they were, we'd have seen scans of Bruce beating Diana on skill by now.

Never happened.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW


Great scans. first its that srank dude, and now this guy who seems pretty knowledgable on Logan. wonder if their were more debaters like them back then

Ize19 is not srank. Srank was active all the damn time, Ize only posted sometimes (but when he did post, you could always count on him contributing to the thread).

But sure, he is easily among the TOP5 Wolverine fans on KMC.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Never happened.

Holding his own, beating, amounts to the same thing when your opponent is a powerless human martial artist.

https://media1.tenor.com/images/3a453fd6795dff0828e79413713a9ab2/tenor.gif

Funny, that's two things I was wrong about. Your ethnicity, and your gender.


You look like a fanous actress though.

And you look like a fire hydrant vin

https://tinyurl.com/yaq5huw5

Tbh, I don't really have a horse in this race anyways.


I just don't like the underplaying of Shang Chi here. It's brought up all the time to play up Logan at Shangs expense, and not only is it not needed, it's contradicted by a bunch of things I know you're familiar with.


1. Shang looked a lot better when he was "training" Logan. Yeah, it wasn't a fight, but Wolverine was also goaded into taking his best shot.

2. Remender. Mr. X vs Iron Fist.

3. Danny Rand vs Gorgon.

4.. Danny Rand saying Shang could punk him on skills.

5. Shang getting a legit takedown on Cap.

A bunch I'm leaving out, but you get the point. Those early Shang Chi vs Wolverine scans make Shang look like a scrub, wheh he's anything but.

1. Wolverine never once attacked Shang then, he was on the defensive. So if Shang was goading him (he wasn't - he tried to show him the ways of Kōan, which were a novelty to Shang himself as well), he did a piss poor job of it.

2. Sure, Danny won that one. Horribly written, but I'll give you that.

3. Gorgon had Danny dead to rights, Daredevil saved his ass.

4. Yeah, IF knows his superiors and is hating on them.

5. When? If you mean their sparring, it was 50:50, as both knocked each other on their asses in the same scene.



Anyway, nobody is *underplaying* Shang here.

Quite the opposite, Wolverine taking him down the way he did is still being used as one of his greatest showings.

He's not

He's not a scrub, yes.

Which is the entire reason why the feat was mentioned.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Anyway, nobody is *underplaying* Shang here.

Quite the opposite, Wolverine taking him down the way he did is still being used as one of his greatest showings.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
1. Wolverine never once attacked Shang then, he was on the defensive. So if Shang was goading him (he wasn't - he tried to show him the ways of Kōan, which were a novelty to Shang himself as well), he did a piss poor job of it.

2. Sure, Danny won that one. Horribly written, but I'll give you that.

3. Gorgon had Danny dead to rights, Daredevil saved his ass.

4. Yeah, IF knows his superiors and is hating on them.

5. When? If you mean their sparring, it was 50:50, as both knocked each other on their asses in the same scene.



Anyway, nobody is *underplaying* Shang here.

Quite the opposite, Wolverine taking him down the way he did is still being used as one of his greatest showings.

It's a good showing in terms of saying "Hey, Logan took down a top tier MA."


Which is different from saying "How the HELL do you expect Iron Fist to EVER beat Wolverine, if he beat Shang Chi?"


That's kind of what's being said about Batman here, Shang >>>>> Shiva > Batman kind of way.


Instead "Logans good enough to beat the best more times then never"

10/10 vs 4/10.

And on point 3, Shang also looked better then both Danny and Logan overall.


In the sense he completely dominated Gorgon in terms of pure skill. Dropped him to one knee, even. Ended up overpowered, not outskilled.

Give Shang an Iron Fist or Adamantium bones and a healing factor, and Gorgon would have been in real trouble.

People are ACTUALLY arguing Bruce being a match for LOGAN?
Are you serious?

I'm not even going to entertain that nonsense

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
People are ACTUALLY arguing Bruce being a match for LOGAN?
Are you serious?

I'm not even going to entertain that nonsense


See Stilt?


That's just pimping out Shang as a 10/10 loss for Logan, instead of a good showing of his skill against an elite. Top tier is nothing to Wolverine, he IS the top tier.


Bullshit.

Originally posted by cdtm
It's a good showing in terms of saying "Hey, Logan took down a top tier MA."


Which is different from saying "How the HELL do you expect Iron Fist to EVER beat Wolverine, if he beat Shang Chi?"


That's kind of what's being said about Batman here, Shang >>>>> Shiva > Batman kind of way.


Instead "Logans good enough to beat the best more times then never"

10/10 vs 4/10.

You're needlessly overanalyzing the whole thing here, showing the signs of obsessive-compulsive disorder.

DC is the world of flying heralds, their martial artists can't compete with those of Marvel.

And Logan takes down top tier MAs for a living. What else is new?

YES, he is THE top tier in Marvel, that's a canon fact. YOU can't even name me a SINGLE A lister MA that Bruce has ever beaten cleanly like Logan done so on mutiple occasions, these two are entirely different level

Wolverine's Skill is second to None: "Learned from the Best" in the world, his instincts Honed by that knowledge

https://i.postimg.cc/kRVjF7vB/wer.jpg

he's the most dangerous human level combatant in the world, with virtually Limitless supply of fighting skills
https://i.postimg.cc/1f7F1pPh/musa.jpg

Learned from the Best fighters in the past present and future, Aliens, Gods you name it
https://i.postimg.cc/Lqwv9cpS/bet.jpg

Takes down a group considered to be among the most highly trained assasins in the world, Logan doesnt even get touched.
https://i.postimg.cc/mzMxB3Kd/cos.jpg

Originally posted by cdtm
And on point 3, Shang also looked better then both Danny and Logan overall.


In the sense he completely dominated Gorgon in terms of pure skill. Dropped him to one knee, even. Ended up overpowered, not outskilled.

Give Shang an Iron Fist or Adamantium bones and a healing factor, and Gorgon would have been in real trouble.

Or ended up sandbagged, depending on how you look at it.

Danny's standard non-visible glow chi physicals allowed him to wreck the Wrecking Crew, so let's not play the overpowered card now

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
YES, he is THE top tier in Marvel, that's a canon fact.

Fun fact: he's been listed in every handook as having 7/7 fighting skills.

Even Captain ****ing America has been downgraded to 6/7, but not Logan.




Handbooks are secondary sources, of course.

But since his actual feats and fights aren't enough to impress people, maybe handbooks will

Its always nice to see a Wolverine fan stilt. Logans been LOWBALLED for a ****ing decade now

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
You're needlessly overanalyzing the whole thing here, showing the signs of obsessive-compulsive disorder.

DC is the world of flying heralds, their martial artists can't compete with those of Marvel.

And Logan takes down top tier MAs for a living. What else is new?


You just like winding him up and watching him go, don't you.

Not this time. I've always been on Wolverine's side.

Danny and Shang call Wolverine when they need him to handle their villains, since they can't do it themselves apparently

Logan even stalemated Stick, who was rated as above top tiers on KMC.

One-shotted Gamora, even though he was just beaten to a pulp by classic Wonder Man.

Used Mandarin's own momentum against him.

Easily handled Shang-Chi's and Iron Fist's villains.

What more proof you need...?

Stick??


When did that happen?


And looking at it another way, Danny was just paying Logan back when he one shotted Mr. X. What Super Best Friends.

Yes, Stick.

Around the same time when Logan whooped Shang's ass, but in a different title.

Then you have Wolverine's victories over Ogun... who is basically Stick level.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Yes, Stick.

Around the same time when Logan whooped Shang's ass, but in a different title.

Then you have Wolverine's victories over Ogun... who is basically Stick level.


So 1990's Wolverine.



Which is the time when they pushed the shit out of him.


Put him on every cover whether he was there or not, made everyone job to him. He was essentially to Marvel what Batman was to DC.


That might be why he gets downplayed so much, Alberto.

You sound butthurt vin

Wolverine has been one of Marvel's two biggest money-makers for a long time now.

It's not some short period in the nineties, lol.

Meanwhile, Danny can't even prevent his TV shows from getting cancelled.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
You sound butthurt vin

Wolverine has been one of Marvel's two biggest money-makers for a long time now.

It's not some short period in the nineties, lol.

Meanwhile, Danny can't even prevent his TV shows from getting cancelled.


That's just bad Hollywood writing. They made him into a flake with no redeeming qualities.


Instead of the flake in the comics who can...



I can't really think of what's different here, but I'm sure it'll come to me.

Well, don't worry. He might get another chance... in the next century or so.

Batman would break his spine.

He would break his knee trying.

The batkick would beg to differ.

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/GrimDeliciousHectorsdolphin-size_restricted.gif

Wolverine is more on Nightwing's level of skill, Bruce is too much for him.

Originally posted by RadZoa
Wolverine is more on Nightwing's level of skill, Bruce is too much for him.

More like Black Cat level at best.

Anyone have scans of his fights without his hf and/or claws?

Originally posted by RadZoa
Wolverine is more on Nightwing's level of skill

Great, he wins then:

https://tinyurl.com/ya5fxels