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No penalty. People hit other people all the time, drinking or not. Statistics are skewed because of very low legal limits, on hits that probably would have happened anyways from bad judgement even if they didn't have that one or two beers.


Let people do whatever they want, drinking, carrying around guns, bazookas, crack, whatever. Stop trying to prevent crimes before they happen. Save the weight of the law for people who cause harm.

You shouldn't drink n drive.... that's why I don't drive

In the eighties, I used to drink drive all the time, it was socially acceptable, got breathalyser a few times always got green or amber. I was lucky, as the world turned I stopped. Now, I see it as socially irresponsible tbh.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
In the eighties, I used to drink drive all the time, it was socially acceptable, got breathalyser a few times always got green or amber. I was lucky, as the world turned I stopped. Now, I see it as socially irresponsible tbh. I hate to say this but..... you sound white.............

Originally posted by Blakemore
I hate to say this but..... you sound white............. True, I often do unsurprisingly.

Originally posted by cdtm
No penalty. People hit other people all the time, drinking or not. Statistics are skewed because of very low legal limits, on hits that probably would have happened anyways from bad judgement even if they didn't have that one or two beers.


Let people do whatever they want, drinking, carrying around guns, bazookas, crack, whatever. Stop trying to prevent crimes before they happen. Save the weight of the law for people who cause harm.

Pretty much this.

Anyone should do whatever they want to do when they want to. It should be legal.

I don't see the point in sending someone to prison for drunk driving (that hasn't yet resulted in a accident, mind you). Seems like that's ultimately a bigger burden on tax payers. An automatic 6-12 months license suspension seems like a fair punishment. I think that's how it already is in most states, which is why some people advocate for harsher punishments, but the thing to keep in mind is that- like in the case of most crimes and punishments- harsher punishments don't really correlate with less crime. The punishment for DUI can be having your balls chopped off and people will still drive drunk, purely because they don't think they'll get caught in the first place. And with DUIs especially, when you're drunk or high the first thing that goes is your judgement, which exasperates your lack of giving a **** about the potential consequences of your actions.

If society wants to see larger decreases in drunk driving, the actual long-term solution is to push harder for automated vehicles and expanded public transportation systems. American car culture and the idea that you must drive your own car everywhere all the time is the largest contributing factor toward accidents.

Originally posted by cdtm
No penalty. People hit other people all the time, drinking or not. Statistics are skewed because of very low legal limits, on hits that probably would have happened anyways from bad judgement even if they didn't have that one or two beers.


Let people do whatever they want, drinking, carrying around guns, bazookas, crack, whatever. Stop trying to prevent crimes before they happen. Save the weight of the law for people who cause harm. Are you asserting that impairment does not meaningfully inhibit your ability to operate a car safely?

Ban the consumption of alcohol, with the defiance of this ban being punished with death.

They tried that already, it just increased the amount of drinking people do and empowered the mafia.

Automatic prison sentences seems unrealistic to me, prison has largely proven to be ineffective. I'd like to see some harsh community service implemented, make them help out on a trauma ward or have them assist roadside accident crews, I figure at least a handful will get the picture then.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
In the eighties, I used to drink drive all the time, it was socially acceptable, got breathalyser a few times always got green or amber. I was lucky, as the world turned I stopped. Now, I see it as socially irresponsible tbh.


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Originally posted by cdtm
No penalty. People hit other people all the time, drinking or not. Statistics are skewed because of very low legal limits, on hits that probably would have happened anyways from bad judgement even if they didn't have that one or two beers.


Let people do whatever they want, drinking, carrying around guns, bazookas, crack, whatever. Stop trying to prevent crimes before they happen. Save the weight of the law for people who cause harm.


Is it safe to assume that CDTM is drunk driving as he posted this?

Personally I feel every car should come with one of those things where u need to pass a breathalyzer to start it.

People eating at Sushi and Italian Restaurants would be in serious trouble.

Originally posted by Badabing
I think the punishment should fit the crime. If you have 2-3 drinks in you but it's considered over the "legal" limit, I'm saying that's BS.

If you have 10 drinks in you, then a hefty fine for the 1st offense then increasing fines and suspension after.

If you cause property damage, fine and suspension.

If you hurt or kill someone, felony charges added to the penalty for property damage.

durink

That's pretty much the system in most places, now. In the US that is.

Originally posted by Tzeentch
I don't see the point in sending someone to prison for drunk driving (that hasn't yet resulted in a accident, mind you). Seems like that's ultimately a bigger burden on tax payers. An automatic 6-12 months license suspension seems like a fair punishment. I think that's how it already is in most states, which is why some people advocate for harsher punishments, but the thing to keep in mind is that- like in the case of most crimes and punishments- harsher punishments don't really correlate with less crime. The punishment for DUI can be having your balls chopped off and people will still drive drunk, purely because they don't think they'll get caught in the first place. And with DUIs especially, when you're drunk or high the first thing that goes is your judgement, which exasperates your lack of giving a **** about the potential consequences of your actions.

If society wants to see larger decreases in drunk driving, the actual long-term solution is to push harder for automated vehicles and expanded public transportation systems. American car culture and the idea that you must drive your own car everywhere all the time is the largest contributing factor toward accidents.

Are you asserting that impairment does not meaningfully inhibit your ability to operate a car safely?

I'm saying the legal limit on impairment is bs.


I mean, think about it. We operate under impaired conditions all the time, drink or no. If you're working 12 hour shifts, night shifts, 60 hour weeks, still have to look after a family, and get only five hours a night maximum, that's impairment. I'd bet that's way more impaired then a well rested guy wity three 5 abv beers in him


Then there's studies done on the effects of, shall we say, a delicate condition of one of the sexes. Turns out the effects on cognitive functions are the same as being under the influence.



But statistics don't care, if you're even .01 over the limit and get in a fender bender, must have been the booze.


As if they can control for other factors, which is impossible.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
In the eighties, I used to drink drive all the time, it was socially acceptable, got breathalyser a few times always got green or amber. I was lucky, as the world turned I stopped. Now, I see it as socially irresponsible tbh.

Bet you listened Mungo Jerry while doing it.

Originally posted by jaden_2.0
Bet you listened Mungo Jerry while doing it. nah, most likely the Smith's.

Probably needed that drink them tbf

Originally posted by jaden_2.0
Probably needed that drink them tbf Haha, I probably did. Actually in those days I would get paid in drinks and entry of clubs etc by friends to drive there.

My Friends always got kinda pissed when they made me the Designated Driver and I would get drunker then them.

And I could drive better Sloshed then all of them combined.

Ahh Youth.

Happened to me on our last casino run.


But them I wasn't too sure about, and just decided to be the designated driver that night. Wasn't feeling it anyways, drinking.

Honestly not too sure on this one. Some kind of penalty needs to be given but automatic jail time when no accident occured seems weird to me. An automatic suspension of the license seems pretty reasonable to me.

I have never in my life driven drunk but I have driven high on the devil's lettuce on occasion. The weed I smoke makes me focus more and so I felt like I was even more attentive behind the wheel than normal, but I know it's wrong.

I also only did that in my teenage years and I am in my early 20's now so it has been a while and I doubt I will do it again.

Originally posted by Trocity
Honestly not too sure on this one. Some kind of penalty needs to be given but automatic jail time when no accident occured seems weird to me. An automatic suspension of the license seems pretty reasonable to me.

I have never in my life driven drunk but I have driven high on the devil's lettuce on occasion. The weed I smoke makes me focus more and so I felt like I was even more attentive behind the wheel than normal, but I know it's wrong.

I also only did that in my teenage years and I am in my early 20's now so it has been a while and I doubt I will do it again.


Clambaked from Keene, New Hampshire to CT in my college days.


Probably not the dumbest thing I've ever done, but we got really lucky nothing happened.


Folks never commented on the smell either.

Not sure if this was mentioned nor do care but prohibition happened 100 years ago today.

A did you know fact

Man Prohabition would have been a Fun Time to Be ALIVE!

Speak Easys. Bath Tub Gin. Moonshine Runs. Gangsters and You could buy a Tommy Gun and B.A.R.'s at your local Tool Store.

Good Times...

Their license should be revoked for 5-10 years for a first offense and upon a second offense they should not be allowed to drive again for the rest of their lives.