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Either on Team 1 can solo.

From what we've seen so far, Black Winter solos with minimal effort.

Based on what exactly?

What feats does the Black Winter have? Did I miss Thor 2020 issue 5???

It annihilated Galactus who feels like he needs Thor AND to amp tremendously to fight against it. That's FAR above anything Darkseid and especially Superman can achieve. Comparing an ant to an elephant again.

But they still haven't even fought yet. Why not sit back and wait to see the outcome?

Originally posted by Stoic
What feats does the Black Winter have? Did I miss Thor 2020 issue 5???

Where he ate a universe?

Antimonitor consumed universeS just to get up to DS' level.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Where he ate a universe?

Antimonitor consumed universeS just to get up to DS' level.

He consumes the life forces of Earth 3 inhabitants.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
He consumes the life forces of Earth 3 inhabitants.

Exactly. The Universe that he supposedly consumed, he was standing on a planet and iirc, i seen stars in the sky. Let me check.

Originally posted by carver9
Exactly. The Universe that he supposedly consumed, he was standing on a planet and iirc, i seen stars in the sky. Let me check.

https://imgur.com/a/7vDZDtb

You guys have seen the scans where it's said he is consuming universeS. We have all done this dance countless times.

LMAO!!!!!

Originally posted by TheHulkster
https://imgur.com/a/7vDZDtb

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
You guys have seen the scans where it's said he is consuming universeS. We have all done this dance countless times.

You mean the hyperbolic and contradictory rants by Grail during Forever Evil? The scan above is from JLA roughly 16 months after. Based on reasoning you have put forth recently, doesn't the JLA issue take precedence?

Originally posted by TheHulkster
You mean the hyperbolic and contradictory rants by Grail during Forever Evil? The scan above is from JLA roughly 16 months after. Based on reasoning you have put forth recently, doesn't the JLA issue take precedence?

Nope,I'm not referring to Grail. And I am additionally ALSO referring to more recent issues than that as supplementary proof. Am sure you can find them

Either from team 1 can solo. Superman punches BW and the 3 others die.

Multiverse obliterating punch FTW.

Darkseied solos

Originally posted by Diesldude
Either from team 1 can solo. Superman punches BW and the 3 others die.

Multiverse obliterating punch FTW. Where will Superman get those multiple 6th dimensional sun's to amp off of from?

You shouldn't even try debating that with him. Lol.

Originally posted by carver9
You shouldn't even try debating that with him. Lol. I know. Lol

Originally posted by JBL
Where will Superman get those multiple 6th dimensional sun's to amp off of from? is a sun different in the 6th dimension? Freaking hollow planets again smh.

Originally posted by carver9
You shouldn't even try debating that with him. Lol. looks like all that running is Finally getting to you.

Originally posted by JBL
I know. Lol

Lol... hes bringing up multiversal fts (that's debatable mind you) and doesn't grasp that Superman dived in countless suns before punching WF. He doesn't understand that the Superman that punched World Forger was amped whereas this Superman in this thread isn't amp. I don't think he knows what amp means. He is going across threads where we have nothing dictating Superman is sun dipping but he is posting "multiverse, punching out World Forger Superman stomps". He doesn't understand that regular Superman does not equal sun dip Superman. He thinks they are the same. I had a 2 day debate with him where in the comic it said "next issue, Hulk will be fighting the One Below All". I posted the scan and he said "that doesn't mean he was fighting the One Below All, that just means he is fighting a servant". Im like "the comic literally tells you Hulk is going to go toe to toe with the One Below All". He just kept denying it. Let me show you the scan.

Originally posted by JBL
I know. Lol

Issue 11 say "we are about to meet the one below all" and even have a picture of him. Seems pretty clear to me.

https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/52759800/SmartSelect_20200502-112651_Chrome.jpg.html

Issue 12, we have a picture that looks identical to what was shown in issue 11.

https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/52759807/SmartSelect_20200502-112733_Chrome.jpg.html

Issue 12 it states Hulk will FIGHT the one below all. Not only does he fight him, he defeats him and he said, "Carver, Hulk never fought the One Below All".

https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/52759810/SmartSelect_20200502-112807_Chrome.jpg.html

Do not waste your energy.

Where did it say countless suns?

Anyway, those were tiny suns and he was in them for seconds.

Our sun is MUCH bigger. He will get the same amp just by standing there

Originally posted by carver9
Lol... hes bringing up multiversal fts (that's debatable mind you) and doesn't grasp that Superman dived in countless suns before punching WF. He doesn't understand that the Superman that punched World Forger was amped whereas this Superman in this thread isn't amp. I don't think he knows what amp means. He is going across threads where we have nothing dictating Superman is sun dipping but he is posting "multiverse, punching out World Forger Superman stomps". He doesn't understand that regular Superman does not equal sun dip Superman. He thinks they are the same. I had a 2 day debate with him where in the comic it said "next issue, Hulk will be fighting the One Below All". I posted the scan and he said "that doesn't mean he was fighting the One Below All, that just means he is fighting a servant". Im like "the comic literally tells you Hulk is going to go toe to toe with the One Below All". He just kept denying it. Let me show you the scan.

it wasn't countless, it was 6

https://i.imgur.com/N2kES4K.jpg

Originally posted by JBL
Where will Superman get those multiple 6th dimensional sun's to amp off of from?

superman wasn't in sixth dimension when he sun dipped, he was in a seperate dimension prison world forger built

Those suns weren't even as big as Earth, don't forget. And Supes spent what, a second? Two?

In canon, the more stress Superman is under the more sunlight he retains. So if he's in a stressful situation like here, he wouldn't need to fly through tiny suns for seconds when he can just use the normal sun.

Originally posted by MrMind
it wasn't countless, it was 6

https://i.imgur.com/N2kES4K.jpg



superman wasn't in sixth dimension when he sun dipped, he was in a seperate dimension prison world forger built

Lol... writer statements again. Hilarious.

the writer....who wrote...the story...telling us.....how many....suns....superman...dipped...in....

now that's hilarious, how dare he, what does he know, he only wrote the story

carver says countless, case closed

Well it's easy.
How many suns do we see in the comic?

Writer interviews are of course inadmissible, so we should rely on what we see in the comic.

How many 'Booms' did we see on panel?

And how high can Carver count?

Originally posted by MrMind
the writer....who wrote...the story...telling us.....how many....suns....superman...dipped...in....

now that's hilarious, how dare he, what does he know, he only wrote the story

carver says countless, case closed

I dont think you get why I'm saying that.

Considering the urgency of the situation, the distance he HAD to travel and the speeds he usually operates at, I doubt Superman wasted even 1 single second going through those suns.

Originally posted by Adam Grimes
Considering the urgency of the situation, the distance he HAD to travel and the speeds he usually operates at, I doubt Superman wasted even 1 single second going through those suns.

First thing is, those are not your average suns, they were created. Then the first sun dip, he outright states it made him MORE THAN WHOLE. He then proceeded to dip into more suns to amp the already MORE THAN WHOLE amp he had already received.

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-415e1e43e78b62f949d60a57d7866f2f

They were tiny suns.

It's interesting how Carver tried to downplay the created planet that WF created to trap Superman, yet now he's.....up playing the suns?

Amazing.

Why is an amp even being discussed?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Nope,I'm not referring to Grail. And I am additionally ALSO referring to more recent issues than that as supplementary proof. Am sure you can find them

Oh good, Hulkster is back.

Also, please answer whether Brainiac consumed Imperiex please. And what Ow means to you.

Originally posted by carver9
Issue 11 say "we are about to meet the one below all" and even have a picture of him. Seems pretty clear to me.

https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/52759800/SmartSelect_20200502-112651_Chrome.jpg.html

Issue 12, we have a picture that looks identical to what was shown in issue 11.

https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/52759807/SmartSelect_20200502-112733_Chrome.jpg.html

Issue 12 it states Hulk will FIGHT the one below all. Not only does he fight him, he defeats him and he said, "Carver, Hulk never fought the One Below All".

https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/52759810/SmartSelect_20200502-112807_Chrome.jpg.html

Do not waste your energy. hahaha multiversal punch ftw and you your friend got a seizure. He thunderclapped away the doorman that TOBA was possessing. You were saying that the hulk defeated him for weeks when that never happened. Smh hulk got abused and was made a *****

Originally posted by carver9
First thing is, those are not your average suns, they were created. Then the first sun dip, he outright states it made him MORE THAN WHOLE. He then proceeded to dip into more suns to amp the already MORE THAN WHOLE amp he had already received.

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-415e1e43e78b62f949d60a57d7866f2f Wow, more than whole... How insightful.

Now we know he was at least amped x1.01 times in the first sun. Great find. 🌞

Originally posted by Diesldude
hahaha multiversal punch ftw and you your friend got a seizure. He thunderclapped away the doorman that TOBA was possessing. You were saying that the hulk defeated him for weeks when that never happened. Smh hulk got abused and was made a *****

So the comic states in issue 12 Hulk will meet the One Below All. Please go to the comic and show me the One Below all. Next issue it was said Hulk will fight the One Below All. Please go to the next issue and show me who they were referring too. I need to see who you think the OBA is.

Originally posted by Adam Grimes
Wow, more than whole... How insightful.

Now we know he was at least amped x1.01 times in the first sun. Great find. 🌞

The comic didn't depict it as a small amp...

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-98642a6afd9ff773220be14053182a

Originally posted by carver9
The comic didn't depict it as a small amp...

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-98642a6afd9ff773220be14053182a



Lol indeed. The link is broken.

So how many tiny suns did he go through?

Nice scan Carv. Lol

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I do find it hilarious that NO ONE is questioning how large those suns were - when those same people were poring over planet sizes and now, continents lol.

https://i.postimg.cc/J4gSKGFn/sun1.jpg

By comparison, this is Earth next to our Sun:
https://i.postimg.cc/RCYPx2Lp/imagemajesti.jpg

Those suns look tiny as phuck, lmao. And he was only in them for a few microseconds.

Now, let's Count with Carver!

https://i.postimg.cc/638D9TP8/RCO014-1559729564.jpg

That's ONE (1)

https://i.postimg.cc/Y0gZWZMk/Untitled.jpg

That's TWO (2)

https://i.postimg.cc/XNyTmGFh/RCO015-1559729564.jpg

This is where it gets tricky Carver. I count....FIVE (5)? I mean, that's a total of 1+1+5 = 7, so we should DEFINITELY not take writer interviews into account - but still not countless.

Originally posted by carver9
and doesn't grasp that Superman dived in countless suns before punching WF.
Originally posted by carver9
not factoring in he dove in a countless amount of suns.
Originally posted by carver9
He sun dipped through countless number of suns.

He didn't fly through countless suns. WE can count higher than five, lmao.

Who the fk is Black Winter?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Oh good, Hulkster is back.

Also, please answer whether Brainiac consumed Imperiex please. And what Ow means to you.

"Ow/ouch" indicates minor pain.

Is Cap injured below:

https://imgur.com/a/St828rp

So not injured thanks.

But why did you not reply to my question about Brainiac?

Originally posted by Adam Grimes
Nice scan Carv. Lol

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-98642a6afd9ff773220be14053182a34

"I can't count higher than six" -CarverUpsideDown6

Originally posted by carver9
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-98642a6afd9ff773220be14053182a34 Ok, so 6 tiny suns he was in for microseconds at best? 😂

Originally posted by Adam Grimes
Ok, so 6 tiny suns he was in for microseconds at best? 😂

Read the scans and again, those are not your average suns based off the verbiage in the scans. And why are you mentioning 6 suns. Read the comment I made that you replied to. Did you forget that fast

That scan makes no reference to the suns, lol.

And I mention 6 suns because that's the amount he was depicted to go through in the scan. So ok, Superman was at least x1.06 times stronger. 😂

They aren't average suns, true.

They're freaking tiny.

Originally posted by carver9
So the comic states in issue 12 Hulk will meet the One Below All. Please go to the comic and show me the One Below all. Next issue it was said Hulk will fight the One Below All. Please go to the next issue and show me who they were referring too. I need to see who you think the OBA is. how did the hulk fight TOBA? Did the hulk win?

Originally posted by Diesldude
how did the hulk fight TOBA? Did the hulk win?

I asked you a question. Why are you answering my question with a question. Issue 11 said that we will meet TOBA. Show me who TOBA was in issue 12. The question is simple.

If he met a doorman and it was said that Hulk would meet and fight TOBA, when did Hulk meet and fight him? Show me.

The first part of the quote from that scan is below:

https://imgur.com/a/VmgUl1o

Here is the e tire page:

https://imgur.com/a/SGV5aik

Originally posted by TheHulkster
The first part of the quote from that scan is below:

https://imgur.com/a/VmgUl1o

Here is the e tire page:

https://imgur.com/a/SGV5aik

I was going to post this. Good job. Hopefully he understand this.

Diesldude, when did TOBA show up. Stop trolling.

Read. This is straight from the comic. Now show me when they showed him and when Hulk fought him? Stop trolling.

Originally posted by carver9
Issue 11 say "we are about to meet the one below all" and even have a picture of him. Seems pretty clear to me.

https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/52759800/SmartSelect_20200502-112651_Chrome.jpg.html

Issue 12, we have a picture that looks identical to what was shown in issue 11.

https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/52759807/SmartSelect_20200502-112733_Chrome.jpg.html

Issue 12 it states Hulk will FIGHT the one below all. Not only does he fight him, he defeats him and he said, "Carver, Hulk never fought the One Below All".

https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/52759810/SmartSelect_20200502-112807_Chrome.jpg.html

Do not waste your energy.

Lol... Diesldude, you are the only person arguing this and it's funny. People even made threads using the character in issue 12 as the One Below All. Its outstanding how you dont see things like this. Maybe Dark will assist you.

Even youtubers know who the One Below All is...

Vv8Qit8kJkc

2miW_ItqKlM

Go to Google and type in "the One below all" and see what picture shows up. Maybe that'll help you.

Originally posted by carver9
Even youtubers know who the One Below All is...

Vv8Qit8kJkc

2miW_ItqKlM

Go to Google and type in "the One below all" and see what picture shows up. Maybe that'll help you. listen bozo, how did the hulk beat TOBA.

Read the comic. It'll show you how Hulk defeated him.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Expanding the page adds context. That is not the narrator describing TOBA, but rather the narrator explaining a real life philosopher's discription of the Biblical Satan.

If you feel like the statement mirrors the comics, then TOBA represents the Biblical Satan which she refers to as keeper of the door as well as the other things in that quote.

Originally posted by carver9
stop cheerleading and answer my question.

Lol... i didn't make any claims, the comic did.

https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/52759810/SmartSelect_20200502-112807_Chrome.jpg.html

Originally posted by carver9
Lol... i didn't make any claims, the comic did.

https://www.turboimagehost.com/p/52759810/SmartSelect_20200502-112807_Chrome.jpg.html

so you got nothing. Still waiting for you to tell me how the hulk beat TOBA.

Originally posted by Diesldude
so you got nothing. Still waiting for you to tell me how the hulk beat TOBA.

The scan that I posted, what did it say?

Originally posted by MrMind


It's not about any picture. It's about the quote. You posted like the last 15 words of a 52 word statement. It's not like you zoomed in on a statement that stands on its own.

I don't know where there is any reference to a servant. Based on Ewing's Twitter.....nevermind. Inadmissable.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So not injured thanks.

But why did you not reply to my question about Brainiac?

Your constant running from me is hilarious.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Your constant running from me is hilarious.

What's hilarious is your continuous begging.

Glad to amuse

So where are you with Brainiac consuming Imperiex?

What the scan say is what I think happened.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
What's hilarious is your continuous begging.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
It's not about any picture. It's about the quote. You posted like the last 15 words of a 52 word statement. It's not like you zoomed in on a statement that stands on its own.

I don't know where there is any reference to a servant. Based on Ewing's Twitter.....nevermind. Inadmissable.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
What's hilarious is your continuous begging.

Shut up already

Poor gamma gang.

Originally posted by Adam Grimes
Poor gamma gang.

I would like for you to join. What is it that you disagree with in my statement?

So what is indicated in these scans?

https://imgur.com/a/Eg6dqSG
https://imgur.com/a/Do1wzx7

Originally posted by TheHulkster
So what is indicated in these scans?

https://imgur.com/a/Eg6dqSG
https://imgur.com/a/Do1wzx7

That Bruce is wrong and it's not actually his problem.

But where are you on Imperiex and Brainia?

@Diesldude...

So scans from the comic is irrelevant? I think the correct way of saying this is, your argument is irrelevant.

So let's not ignore the comics.

A blast that can shatter continents makes Black Winter pause for 14seconds. That's a forum win.

Superman, who shatters planets when dying, soloes