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Force powers and abilities Only, who wins in the following?

1. Canon
2. Legends

This is interesting.

As of ROTS theres nothing to suggest Obi-Wan is Mauls equal in the Force.

We only saw Maul in a few episodes of TCW and he did some crazy shit, including force shoving Obi-Wan a couple of times mind you.

Whilst Obi-Wan appeared throughout the series and rarely performed the odd impressive feat but nothing on the level of Maul.

^ cool but did obi wan have the force choke ability: which I don’t think he did ?

Kenobi was outfighting him as of season 5. There's no need to overthink this.

^^ yeah in most of the fights before rebels looks like Maul had the upper hand with regards to force powers etc ..

Originally posted by ozz81
^^ yeah in most of the fights before rebels looks like Maul had the upper hand with regards to force powers etc ..

Originally posted by ozz81
^^ yeah in most of the fights before rebels looks like Maul had the upper hand with regards to force powers etc ..
Fight 1: Kenobi has maul dead to rights in 40 seconds
Fight 2: Kenobi drives back, kicks, and clobbers his head in the 10 or seconds he has to focus on maul himself.

While I'm sure maul's force powers are awesome, he's never able to use them when they'are actually fighting...

Nah.

Fight 1 in Revenge: Maul won.

Fight 2 on Florrum (1 v 1): Maul was driving Kenobi back the whole time, but fight halts when Kenobi lands a kick which does nothing but separate them.

Fight 3 on Florrum (2 v 1): Kenobi is outnumbered but seems to have the advantage. However Maul never drops or gets hurt in anyway, ragdolls Kenobi mid-fight, and ends the fight by Force slamming him. It was also one of those A Game moments for Kenobi according to Witwer.

And This was all a Maul still in recovery and on his Chicken legs mind you.

Up to ROTS, Maul has greater force powers by all accounts. Either prove Kenobis case in the Force otherwise quit dragging this into another all out ROTS Kenobi vs Maul thread.

Originally posted by Darth Thor


Fight 1 in Revenge: Maul won.

TPM: Kenobi also won. Why would you even respond if you can't be bothered to address my points:



:/


Soresu user gradually gives ground to Juyo user. Shocker.

And that kick doesn't just "separate them", it disorientates Maul for 6 seconds.

Seriosly, the second Kenobi goes on the offensive, Maul gets hurt. How does this suggest Maul>Kenobi?





Does getting your head banged in a wall, not count as "getting hurt'?


While Kenobi was spinning between combatants. Odd that's he's never tried this in a 1v1(it's almost like he can't).


What accounts?


Ah, thought it was just Kenobi v Maul. Fair, fair. With Kenobi's legends showings, and power growth, stripped of him, Maul probably wins by default. Unless Kenobi scales off Anakin in someway. I don't know what canon has to say about the mustafar duel.

^^

https://youtu.be/KaqUVn1az4w

in the above link though disregarding the rebels scene it looks like edge to Maul in all of the fights especially when he uses his force powers, Kenobi couldnt block them or use any against him . Oh fair enough when Obi kicked maul in that cavern scene maul quickly recovered from it and ran towards Obi to duel again didnt look like it stunned him that bad..
Im trying to look for another vid clip or scene from the series but sadly cant find it where Kenobi is sort of in midair/or high enough in the air via a jetpack he confronts maul again and maul uses the force to get/or lure Obi towards him and grabs Obi by the neck hoisting him with only one arm: seems like quite an impressive force feat .. Seems like Maul has more superior force feats then Obi .
When Maul fought pre vizsla his fight against him looked better then Obis etc. Duel wise looks like it could go either way , in cannon Maul is ranked third highest in the Sith Lord red light saber: higher/better then Dooku but below sidious and vader, not bad i guess..

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That's because the clip is cutting out key parts of the fights.


For example the first fight is cut right before Kenobi has maul at his mercy here:
https://youtu.be/NYv_gHAKp1I?t=93

If this is a 1 v1, Maul gets killed or captured in 40 seconds. That's not really something that happens when you have an edge.


Kenobi wasn't in mid-air. He was on the ground, limping from an explosion...

That kind of guide book also says AOTC Kenobi is more powerful than Dooku. :/

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
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That's because the clip is cutting out key parts of the fights.


For example the first fight is cut right before Kenobi has maul at his mercy here:
https://youtu.be/NYv_gHAKp1I?t=93

If this is a 1 v1, Maul gets killed or captured in 40 seconds. That's not really something that happens when you have an edge.


Kenobi wasn't in mid-air. He was on the ground, limping from an explosion...

That kind of guide book also says AOTC Kenobi is more powerful than Dooku. :/


Yeah with the first fight Obi didnt have maul at his mercy(and maul never got captured or killed for 40 seconds sounds made up tbh) he sort of pushed him to the side then Maul later dominated by kicking kenobi around he also kicked him of the platform and Obi wan admitted in that first fight to Asaj ventress that "were outmatched" hence edge to Maul and savage. And Obi and Ventress both ran away from maul and savage and flew away in some ship.. Maul and savage clearly dominated the first fight.

No honestly im pretty sure kenobi was in the air using the jetpack, Maul force grabbed him by the neck and lifted him up with one arm Kenobi couldnt do anything.

Also in the cave fight Maul used his force powers against kenobi , kenobi couldnt do anything to stop him..

Where does is state that Kenobi was better then dooku in that book? Ok fair enough if thats the case hence Obi and Maul could be even in saber duel could go either way i guess ..

But overall Mauls force powers seem to be more superior then Kenobis..

Originally posted by ozz81
Yeah fair enough with the first fight Obi didnt have maul at his mercy

Rewatch, Maul's literally KO'd. The reason the fight doesn't end there is because Kenobi threw ventress her lightsaber as oppress was about to bisect her into two.



They were outmatched, eventually. Just like TPM Kenobi eventually "defeated maul". That doesn't really change that when Kenobi wasn't screaming like a lunatic, he had maul beat 40 seconds into the fight.

Then in the next fight Kenobi hurts Maul in their 1 v1, and then outperforms maul during a 2 v1.


Kenobi was injured by a crash+explosion. :/


Maul's force powers may be superioir, but they weren't enough to prevent Kenobi from ****ing Maul up during their duels.

https://youtu.be/KaqUVn1az4w

No Maul isnt knocked out at all infact the opposite Kenobi was knocked out by savage see the above link .Its like your making it up mauls not knocked out at all, Obi just pushes him to the side and mauls still perseveres and kicks kenobi around.

Obi admitted to asaj that they were outmatched meaning maul and savage were more dominant and superior.

Maul doesnt seem hurt by Kenobi at all where show me the scene ? In the cave scene when obi cuts of savages arm Maul force pushes kenobi against a wall and kenobis knocked out..

Kenobi wasnt injured by the explosion at all he looked well and fit Maul still overpowered him there and could have killed him in that scene but obviously because of the plot they wouldnt do that . Yeah true Maul is written to be that way ie failing in the end due to his overconfidence almost like its become iconic .

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Rewatch, Maul's literally KO'd. The reason the fight doesn't end there is because Kenobi threw ventress her lightsaber as oppress was about to bisect her into two.



They were outmatched, eventually. Just like TPM Kenobi eventually "defeated maul". That doesn't really change that when Kenobi wasn't screaming like a lunatic, he had maul beat 40 seconds into the fight.

Then in the next fight Kenobi hurts Maul in their 1 v1, and then outperforms maul during a 2 v1.


Kenobi was injured by a crash+explosion. :/


Maul's force powers may be superioir, but they weren't enough to prevent Kenobi from ****ing Maul up during their duels.

https://youtu.be/KaqUVn1az4w

No Maul isnt knocked out at all infact the opposite Kenobi was knocked out by savage initially see the above link . Yeah mauls not really knocked out at all, Obi just pushes him and then kicks him into boxes to the side and mauls still get up and perseveres and kicks kenobi around dominating the fight etc. Also when Kenobi jumps on that platform Maul kicks kenobi against the wall and kenobi seems temporarily knocked out then maul kicks him of the platform...

Obi admitted to asaj that they were outmatched meaning maul and savage were more dominant and superior.

Maul doesnt seem to get hurt by Kenobi at all where show me the scene ?Mauls leg gets shot of thats all. In the cave scene when obi cuts of savages arm Maul force pushes kenobi against a wall and kenobis knocked out..

Kenobi wasnt injured by the explosion at all he looked well and fit Maul still overpowered him there and could have killed him in that scene but obviously because of the plot they wouldnt do that . Yeah true Maul is written to be that way ie failing in the end due to his overconfidence almost like its become iconic .

Originally posted by ozz81
https://youtu.be/KaqUVn1az4w

No Maul isnt knocked out at all infact the opposite Kenobi was knocked out by savage see the above link .Its like your making it up mauls not knocked out at all, Obi just pushes him to the side and mauls still perseveres and kicks kenobi around.

Your link isn't showing the full fight. Here's I'll do this for you:
https://youtu.be/NYv_gHAKp1I?t=94
^^^^ Maul is down

https://youtu.be/NYv_gHAKp1I?t=99

^^^^ Maul gets up 4 seconds later while Kenobi's focused on ventress

Bonus round:
https://youtu.be/NYv_gHAKp1I?t=100

Kenobi can kill Maul right here but instead takes the light saber and throws it. Why?
https://youtu.be/NYv_gHAKp1I?t=104
Ventress is about to be bisected.

Oh, and what happens when ventress catches the lightsaber:
https://youtu.be/NYv_gHAKp1I?t=106
Maul, just gets up.

Kenobi could have ended the fight, either of those three instances. You know why he doesn't? Becuase Ventress is about to get killed by Oppress.


None of that is included in the link you showed, so naturally, if you watched it, you would think "they were stalemating."

For future reference, if you're going to use a link, make sure it includes the entire fight. If there's any editing, be suspicious, because that could mean you're missing something.

Yes, Oppress+Maul were "more dominant and superioir" to Ventress+Kenobi. Because Ventress getting diarmed cost Kenobi three chances to win the fight.

That does not mean Maul> or even equal Kenobi.





https://youtu.be/U-Lww1aKZAQ?t=104
^Maul's head comes down visibly hurt.
https://youtu.be/U-Lww1aKZAQ?t=110
^Maul's head comes up 6 seconds later.

Now here's a challenge. Go and find anything from their two duels where Maul does something to Kenobi he needs more than a couple seconds to recover from. Even when Kenobi is physically and mentally out of shape, Maul can't damage Kenobi the way Kenobi can hurt Maul. Kenobi's simply better when it comes to martial combat.


Okay, I'm just going to cite starwars.com since neither of us can find the clip:
https://www.starwars.com/series/clone-wars/the-lawless-episode-gallery

"Kenobi ignites his blade but he is too shaken from the crash "

Kenobi wins both. Idk why there's still a discussion on this Filoni makes it pretty clear Maul is no match for Obi-Wan when he has focus and clarity. Maul on his best day loses to Obi-Wan on his best day every time. By ROTS the only way Maul wins is if Obi-Wan is having a bad day. It's as easy as that.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
Kenobi wins both. Idk why there's still a discussion on this Filoni makes it pretty clear Maul is no match for Obi-Wan when he has focus and clarity. Maul on his best day loses to Obi-Wan on his best day every time. By ROTS the only way Maul wins is if Obi-Wan is having a bad day. It's as easy as that.


Filonis comments refer to Maul vs Kenobi as of REBELS. When Kenobis maturity and mental clarity was just on another level. Whilst Maul was still his old immature self, but more impatient and frustrated than ever. So not relevant to ROTS.

Sure Maul would like lose due to his over confidence weakness even if he had the advantage hed screw it up.

But in terms of Saber prowess theres nothing to suggest Kenobi has more than a small advantage as of ROTS. But theres a lot to suggest Maul is more powerful in the Force.

Ozz owning Rocky.

Just a couple of clarifications:

1. Maul vs Obi-Wan in the Turtle Tanker was Mauls first proper duel in 10 years. He was completely out of practice. Once he got into the fight though, he dealt with Kenobi.

2. Its confirmed Maul never wanted to kill Obi-Wan in S5. He beat him senseless in S4, but that didnt make him feel better, so he figured the better solution was a long drawn out emotional torture first.

3. After what Maul did to Bo-Katan its quite clear how easily Maul can deal with Pre-Vizsla. And what a ridiculous comparison anyway. By that measuring stick S4 Ashoka is > S5 Maul facepalm


Rocky is clearly all sorts of butthurt after S7, and couldnt let this go even though this thread was supposed to be a Maul vs Kenobi FORCE Contest. But clearly he cant bring himself to say in any thread or in any context that Maul > Kenobi.

Originally posted by Lord Stark
Kenobi wins both. Idk why there's still a discussion on this Filoni makes it pretty clear Maul is no match for Obi-Wan when he has focus and clarity. Maul on his best day loses to Obi-Wan on his best day every time. By ROTS the only way Maul wins is if Obi-Wan is having a bad day. It's as easy as that.
Do you have a quote for that?


As far as I'm aware that kind of thing only exists for Kenobi as of Rebels

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Filonis comments refer to Maul vs Kenobi as of REBELS. When Kenobis maturity and mental clarity was just on another level. Whilst Maul was still his old immature self, but more impatient and frustrated than ever. So not relevant to ROTS.

Sure Maul would like lose due to his over confidence weakness even if he had the advantage hed screw it up.

But in terms of Saber prowess theres nothing to suggest Kenobi has more than a small advantage as of ROTS. But theres a lot to suggest Maul is more powerful in the Force.

Filoni said something similar when Kenobi defeated Maul in the 2v1 with Savage.

Originally posted by Darth Thor

3. After what Maul did to Bo-Katan its quite clear how easily Maul can deal with Pre-Vizsla. And what a ridiculous comparison anyway. By that measuring stick S4 Ashoka is > S5 Maul facepalm
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I never brought up pre-visla.

You mean when he ambushed him?


There's one, when kenobi is crumpled in the corner. When kenobi's 'knocked out' the first time he's still looking at maul and holding his lightsaber. After oppress saves his ass three times, Maul does have the advantage against Kenobi who at this point is angrily charging Maul like a lunatic. It is worth asking, why Kenobi is angrily charging here when Maul taunting Kenobi is unable to evoke anger elsewhere....


Maul is rusty, true. Thankfully, Maul was kind enough to even the odds for us:
.https://youtu.be/KaqUVn1az4w?t=145
Thor ignored this for some reason, but I'd say it gives us a good reason for why Maul was able to taunt Kenobi into running like a lunatic. Also, lets be clear here, it wasn't a 'slight edge', it was a decisive one. And we can talk about what maul does when Kenobi's uncharacteristically tapping into his darkside, but none of that really comes into play without Oppress and Ventress. Fights are about taking out your opponent --first--.



A beat up and tortured Kenobi was able to get right up after getting kicked twice in the head, and once in the chest. Highly doubt maul's "damage soak" is going to do anything here when Maul generally gets hurt more by Kenobi's hits than vice versa.

Sure, but Kenobi had maul at his mercy more. And its important to track the content surrounding the duel. Does Kenobi ever fight like he does in the last 30 seconds of the duel? Have we ever seen Kenobi lose his cool like that without torture? After their fight in revenge, Maul is never able to land a hit on Kenobi again, and before Kenobi screams "aaaaaaaahhhh!!!!!!!" Maul gets decisively beat.

FYI, this isn't just speculation, Filoni confirms Kenobi is mentally out of sorts while he fights Maul. And filoni specifcally cites Kenobi's "state of mind" as why Kenobi loses.

It's like Maul's "overconfidence" except, unlike Maul, it only happens under the worst of circumstances. Hence why in season 5, Kenobi maintains the advantage via the blade we see him establish in the first part of their revenge duel.


Huh? Why does it being longer make it more impressive? Kenobi was able to beat visla three times in less than a minuite. Kenobi's performance is way better than Maul's.


Actually shaken can mean many things depending on the context.

So lets see what the context here is:

"Kenobi ignites his lightsaber blade but is "too shaken from the crash". Maul snatches Kenobi in a telekentic grip and disarms him."

Irrelevant of what you think shaken means, it's clear it was "from the clash" and the "too" in context would indicate being shaken prevented him from a successful defense. Regardless of how you interpret 'shaken', it's only because of the crash, that makes Maul's "win" here something that could have only happened because Kenobi crashed.

Maul's force blast on florrum is somewhat applicable(tho its similar to other emotion-reliant showings like ventress choking anakin and kenobi), but even then, it's not at all clear Maul would have gotten to Kenobi in time to finish the job.

Originally posted by Darth Thor

bring himself to say in any thread or in any context that Maul > Kenobi.

Kenobi reacts to Savage before he gets a hit in so.. I just take it to be that Savage will throw almost any opponent off guard if they don't approach him in a careful manner considering he's so strong like when Dooku and Obi/Anakin fight him.

^ IIRC that's really early TCW Kenobi.

But anyway Maul > Kenobi in force powers, he just has way more feats.

Force defenses are not fleshed out in canon, so it's hard to say. Maul probably takes it 6/10.