Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Ah, I see, since there was no force contest, ahsoka vs maul proved less than dooku vs yoda. You know, despite yoda being "far more powerful" than the count?
Yeah except Yoda showed superiority throughout the force contest, and had Dooku fleeing pretty quickly after the saber engagement began.
Originally posted by Rockydonovang
I'm glad we're in agreement then. Rebels Ahsoka has nothing that ties her to Maul.
Yeah if anything, Maul was treating her so casually, turning his back to her when the Sith Temple ignores, fights her off one handed, proclaims she can do nothing to stop him before the fight, and assumes she's running away from him at the end.
You really should have accepted the tie, because the episode itself and the data bank both indicate Maul is her better, even as of Rebels.
Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Indeed. We seem to both have a reason for the disparity between ahsoka bad vader to be smaller than shown as well as larger than shown. These should cancel each other out leaving us with 2 and a half minuites where Vader isn't able to find an opening to kill Ahsoka. :/
Yeah just the majority of that one and a half minutes of Vader driving her backwards, before he Force fling her.
You're trying to pretend she's closer to Vader tier than Maul, and yet showed no superiority over Maul at all in almost a minute of fighting.
And as I've shown above, he was treating her pretty casually. Note I'm not claiming he was stomping her or anything, they fought to a stand off, just that he fought to a stand off fairly casually.
Originally posted by Rockydonovang
I guess you forgot about integrating unarmed attacks:
https://youtu.be/kDblfz9pZHg?t=76
Agility, reflexes, and anticipation:
https://youtu.be/tSHTWbG1qnE?t=2
And remember Thor, you're trying to argue maul is significantly-far better than Ahsoka, not simply "superioir." Sidious is "superioir" to yoda. This does not imply a vast disparity.
The difference is clearly far larger than Sidious vs Yoda, who fought pretty evenly in Sabers and in the Force.
Let's go through this again, Maul overpowers Ahsoka within 20 seconds in both their 1st and 3rd confrontations Via the Force. You've also already conceded that Maul is > Obi-Wan in the force by default, so obviously trashed Clone Wars Ahsoka in force feats.
The second fight, which was of course the big Saber fight, had:
1)Filoni show Ahsoka needing a breather, because she's having to exert herself to compete with Maul, whose clearly not interested in carrying on an extended fight with her, or in killing her.
2)He incapacitates her for 7 seconds but ignores her and tries to get to his ship.
3) Disarms her of both her weapons.
This all indicates a significant difference between the 2. I mean sure she's good, and can put up a decent fight in Sabers, but still his clearly inferior even in that department.
Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Maul being far above cw Ahsoka is something you've yet to back up. :/
I've proven it in detail. You're just doing your usual thing and putting your fingers in your ears refusing to hear it.
Originally posted by Rockydonovang
You mean that thing which isn't referenced in the quote? I'm still waiting for the contradiction buddy.
No you're just lying now. Strength is mentioned in the quote as the specific reason. Ezra being the weakest is a Measure of Strength.
Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Yes, because the AFTER establishes WHY he was paired with the weakest combatant. Not only that, the --rest of datafile-- reinforces that:
Strength is directly equated to "fighting without mercy or remorse."
So you think Maul's discussion with Ezra AFTER the team had already separated, was Maul still justifying to him why he was the logical choice.
You're clinging to desperate hopes. You're ignoring the sequence of events. Honestly the mental gymnastics involved here is ridiculous.
Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Even if we ignore that it was Maul, someone with the express goal of turning Ezra to the darkside, who says "it's the logical choice", Maul still --protects-- Ezra by killing the seventh sister as opposed to Ahsoka who when presented the same opportunity in her Rebels debut, doesn't, which allows the seventh sister to escape.
All stuff that happens afterwards. And let's not ignore it was Maul who stated it was the logical choice in the episode (and the databank agrees with his logic). Because we all know Maul was certain he was the strongest combatant there, and that's the only factor he could use as a LOGICAL reason to Kanan and Ahsoka, to pair him with Ezra to protect him
Originally posted by Rockydonovang
The context of the quote and the corresponding source material support two interpretations that having nothing to do with maul being more powerful than Ahsoka.
Wow, 2 interpretations? I thought it was the most logical reasoning. And you've failed to provide any more logical reasoning than Maul being the strongest. The more you try and think up of new reasons, the more you are flying away from anything even remotely looking like THE Logical choice.
Originally posted by Rockydonovang
And this favors Maul, how? Maul only ever kills inquistors when paired with a teammate, specifcally killing the second inquisitor when Ahsoka disarms him, and killing the first while she's getting driven back by Ezra.
Ahsoka, defeats two inquistors simultaneously:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpXNOz-hbgA
And if you're still having doubts about what the inqusitors mean to Ahsoka:
:/
Kanan kills the last of the Inquisitors. And did Maul even see that fight where Ahsoka refused to kill those 2 Inquisitors? LMAO.
If Ahsoka was stronger than Maul, then fact is he wouldn't have a leg to stand on to claim HE'S the logical choice, given he is a dark sider and an ex-Sith, and obviously has an unhealthy obsession with Ezra. SHE would be the CLEAR Logical choice. IF that was the case, but seems it was not.
It's evident you're jumping through hoops to have that quote mean anything, but the most simple, most common sense and most logical choice. Because THE Logical choice doesn't suit your bias here.
Originally posted by Rockydonovang
According to you, CW Maul is superioir which means we have seen a better maul face off against a--less powerful sidious--...
https://youtu.be/-7hBZNsPnyg?t=142
Quite a difference there, no?
Peak CW Maul is clearly S7 Maul. Rebels Maul according to a story group member is older and out of practice, so likely hasn't improved in Sabers going by that quote.
Not sure about Rebels Maul in the Force though. But he did extract thoughts from Hera Far More Easily than he did from Jesse. So that might indicate an improvement in the force. Plus there was that deleted scene from the Maul vs Sidious fight where Maul temporarily pins Sidious.
Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Indeed. It would seem Vader was vastly more powerful than Cal, yet Cal was able to throw something at him. Go figure. It's almost like hitting someone with an object doesn't prove a considerable gap in power...
Don't be retarded. Vader was overpowering Cal. Whereas Maul overpowered Ahsoka. Try to take off those bias goggles for a second and see the difference.
And it's not like it was a one off either. Maul overpowered her TWICE with the Force.
Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Then replace Cal with Eath Koth. He was running away from vader AND vader's inquisitors IRRC. Season 4 Ventress also was able to throw stuff at Oppress, I guess she was "considerably more powerful" too.
What are you saying about Eeth Koth?
Did Ventress overpower Opress TWICE?
Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Or how about Eldra Katis knocking Maul down with a bunch of rocks? Was Eldra Katis "considerably more powerful than Maul"?
She threw her saver at the rocks which caused an avalanche IIRC
How about coming up with a relevant point
Better yet, why not quit being butthurt that Maul overpowered Ahsoka with the Force Twice.
This wasn't Rebels Ahsoka, so I don't get why you're acting all butthurt. Were you annoyed they weren't portrayed as equals or something?
Originally posted by Rockydonovang
So many instances of being "overpowered" according to your line of thinking.
Not at all. You haven't given even one similar example.
It's pretty evident Maul overpowered Ahsoka TWICE using his superior Force Powers. No idea why you have an issue with this as you already conceded Maul > Kenobi in the Force.
If it was;t the Force then what was it? Just superior combat abilities? So did Maul just beat Ahsoka TWICE with superior combat abilities? So is Maul simply FAR more Skilled than Ahsoka in combat?
If it was a one off you could have argued he just got lucky. But it was;t a one off. It was TWICE, whereas she overpowered him ONCE.
So This line of argument isn't going down for you whichever way you want to spin it.