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No Avatar State.

After returning to the village with Jiraiya Naruto is tasked by a wealthy family to return their kidnapped daughter from the villainous Avatar and his cohorts.

Naruto (beginning of Shippuden)

Vs

(End of series)
Aang
Sokka
Katara
Toph
Zuko
Suki
Appa

Fight on a glacier in the Southern Water tribe.

Naruto is completely unknown to team Avatar

Naruto has as much information as the Bei Fongs have on team Avatar.

Zuko alone blitzes him

Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
Zuko alone blitzes him and? This same Naruto takes punches from early Shippuden Sakura who can can crack stone with her bare hands.

Zuko out run a lightning bolt and and casually kicked through metal.

And this specifically not kyuubi powered naruto

Zuko would make it difficult for naruto by being faster, and more durable than naruto. The rest of the gaang makes it a stomp

And I didn't even account for Zuko's fire bending. Big ol' A.O.E. attacks are Zuko's specialty and clones don't exactly stick around a while after a good bop.

Naruto is probably stronger, but zyko is still super humanly fast and strong, and he has much better defenses than early shippuden naruto

Aang Gang wins.

Early shippuden Naruto can't create 1,000 shadow clones without Kurama.
Early shippuden Naruto can't summon Gamabunta without Kurama.
Early shippuden Naruto has never taken a serious punch from Sakura.
Early shippuden Naruto isn't faster than gaiden Kakashi.

That all being said, I don't remember enough about Avatar to say who wins. I suspect it's the team, though.

If you agree on that point, then the fact that Sakura's serious punches can cause earthquakes is just a red herring. "Naruto can survive punches strong enough to send a person flying" is what's relevant, and that's something I suspect is true of Avatar characters as well.

Why do you suppose the avatar characters can't survive those punches?

Are you forgetting that Zuko's war ship exploded on top of him and he was fine. Or that was thrown through several walls in a single hit, and was fine. Or took an enraged avatar state attack and was fine, or constantly gets hit by aang's airbending attacks in season one which can shatter glaciers? Or the time he fell from like 100 feet and landed on his head, and was fine? Getting punched off your feet is hardly a game changer

Pretty sure the exhaustion came from the swimming in the artic than running out into a blizzard. The cold messes with fire benders.

Aang holds back when he can, but also fully admits he has almost no control of the avatar state in that point of the series.

The episode with june

...did you steal the "perpetual new guy" thing from me? no

No

Toph's earth-bending >> Sakura's punch.

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Does the mechanism even matter?

@Pym what's your point?...

If she hit them with a rock

@Pym You're suggesting that since they're rocks and mud they won't work...? Uh..

Iroh caught natural lightning back in season one, and I doubt early shippuden naruto was as fast as kakashi

Has Sakura ever actually hit Naruto with a full punch and its not for comedic relief?

Because if we're using that logic, then his 6 year old daughter Himawari is Ōtsutsuki++ level, because in Boruto she punched Naruto when she unlocked her Byakugan and knocked him out for the entire day of his Hokage coronation. This is after he gained complete control and reached his highest level. When his kindergarten daughter KOd him.

And Himawari one shotting him with her first ever use of Byakugan is canon as well. Happened in the manga as well as the anime. So if we take joke stuff into canon, then a 6 year old can KO the strongest Hokage the Leaf village has had in decades and Himawari b*tched Naruto for an entire day on accident.

Sakura never hit him with the intent of hurting him like she did enemy Shinobi. It was comedic filler.

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No. And even if the answer were yes, it would still be totally irrelevant to the topic at hand.



It's obvious what you're saying. What's being pointed out to you is that it's nonsense. Sakura's earth-shattering punches aren't even the result of superhuman strength; it's a jutsu that explosively releases chakra at the point of contact. It's an extremely deliberate application of chakra; not the sort of thing that could cause undue harm accidentally. And the idea that Sakura would intentionally hit Naruto with anything close to that degree of attack "because he annoyed her" is inane to even suggest.



Don't even know where to start with this.

For one thing, in the instance where Yamato "couldn't keep up" with Sasuke's speed, Naruto was the target, and he also failed to respond. Nothing that happened during that encounter suggested that Naruto was faster than Yamato.

Secondly, Kakashi severed the lightning bolt by using Raikiri. Raikiri is a hyper-fast thrusting attack which is explicitly so fast that it requires the enhanced kinetic vision of the Sharingan to be able to adjust its trajectory mid-dash. Furthermore, Kakashi's lightning bolt feat was a legendary event that he is internationally famous for. There is no evidence whatsoever that suggests that Naruto at this point would be capable of replicating it.

In fact, there's contrary evidence: it was stated by Black Zetsu that it would be impossible for Itachi, someone much faster than this Naruto, to dodge--let alone outpace--natural lightning. Which was then demonstrated to be true by Kirin.



No, he was trying to find a way to beat Neji, who was far and away the best gentle fist user of his generation.



You do know that he took a barrage of sixty four of those attacks from an actual gentle fist specialist when he was a kid, right?

So you're essentially telling me that getting hit with a pickaxe is worse than getting 200 tons of rock dropped on you. Because a pickaxe can break rocks. Brilliant.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
So you're essentially telling me that getting hit with a pickaxe is worse than getting 200 tons of rock dropped on you. Because a pickaxe can break rocks. Brilliant. Literally the funniest thing I've seen on this website.

Dude, you pretty much said anything that is superior to rocks can do more damage then rocks. :/

Nope, it's actually not saying that at all. "Literally" or otherwise.

Ironically, what you've made here is an actual strawman.


No one, at any point in this thread, has argued otherwise. This is completely irrelevant to the discussion at hand. If you'd like to try and defend yourself, then:



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are what you need to defend.

Fair warning: you can't.

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What is your argument?

My argument for what, specifically?

My argument is that Sakura never hit him for real like she was hitting an enemy. It was a gag, which is why it happened so much and never in combat and he was just fine after she'd hit him,, but could get injured from lesser stuff. Otherwise its canon that Himawari ko'd the most powerful Hokage in history for an entire day and wasn't even at Genin level when she unlocked her Byakugan.

MY argument is that Toph's Earthbending has more destructive power then Sakura's punches

What durability has any Avatar member ever shown?

Zuko's war ship exploded with him in it, and he was relatively fine

He only struggled in the north pole with aang because there was a blizzard and he literally got done swimming under the entire city and dueling katara at night. I don't believe the ship did any more than some scratches and bruises

By tanking do you mean being able to unscrew a few bolts? I'm not saying it was his physical peak, but he beat katara at dawn and the gaang didn't find him till the moon was high in the sky. Struggling to carry aang might have just been because he was sleepy