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Who is the slowest character in comics who can land a legitimate punch (or series of punches) on Ultra Instinct Goku?-

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Please provide evidence to back up your claims, and we'll assume that Goku is going allout here.

And no time or reality manip obviously. Want to know who can do it with pure speed alone.

The way Ultra Instinct is designed, is it even possible to hit someone using it with pure speed? The body reacts to threats automatically and moves out of the way; there doesn't seem to be a threshold of how fast you are to hit someone. Weiss even avoided attacks he wasn't paying attention to because his UI is always active.

Ultra Instinct Goku wasn't untouchable. Jiren was keeping up with him and was landing blows after he powered up. Whis is an Angel, so he's just on a completely different level.

So ya it is possible to hit Goku. I'm just curious what level of comic book speed is needed to do that?

I think the anime section needs a thread.

From what was explained to me a while back, was that it was claimed that no one would able to land a hit unless they were able to bend time. Maybe someone else has a counter for this, as I didn't participate in the discussion. The debate was on whether, or not the Flash, or Superman could defeat Ultra Instinct Goku, and the vast majority didn't think so.

From what was explained to me a while back, anime threads were supposed to go in the anime or foreign forums.

Well if a Mod allows for it... Then what?

Have they, or have they not seen it?

Check this thread out:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t669862.html

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Have they, or have they not seen it?

Check this thread out:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t669862.html

Good one. I've been seeing them here lately, so I was under the impression that some of them were allowed. Not my thing since I don't post Anime vs Comic book battles in this forum.

UI is described so unimpressively.

Ok you attack and dodging without thinking. So you eliminate any latency between stimulus intake and actual physical reflex. Lots of things in fiction have been described that way.

That's all fine and dandy and all but HOW fast is Goku now still? It doesnt tell us. Does he dodge and throw punches in attoseconds? Zeptoseconds? Planck seconds? Zero time?

We still dont know unless I'm missing something. DB was always poor with speed descriptions.

Originally posted by Stoic
Well if a Mod allows for it... Then what? We recently talked about this in the mod lounge.

The comparison threads(ie. which comic book character can replicate 'x' feat) are fine as long as the anime/manga feat in question is only used as the initial benchmark, and the rest of the discussion is centered around comic book characters replicating said feat.

But obviously any threads that cross into the realm of "anime characters vs. comic characters" are a no-go here.

Originally posted by Galan007
We recently talked about this in the mod lounge.

The comparison threads(ie. which comic book character can replicate 'x' feat) are fine as long as the anime/manga feat in question is only used as the initial benchmark, and the rest of the discussion is centered around comic book characters replicating said feat.

But obviously any threads that cross into the realm of "anime characters vs. comic characters" are a no-go here.

Cool.

Originally posted by Galan007
We recently talked about this in the mod lounge.

The comparison threads(ie. which comic book character can replicate 'x' feat) are fine as long as the anime/manga feat in question is only used as the initial benchmark, and the rest of the discussion is centered around comic book characters replicating said feat.

But obviously any threads that cross into the realm of "anime characters vs. comic characters" are a no-go here. my thread was a comparison thread

Originally posted by CosmicComet
UI is described so unimpressively.

Ok you attack and dodging without thinking. So you eliminate any latency between stimulus intake and actual physical reflex. Lots of things in fiction have been described that way.

That's all fine and dandy and all but HOW fast is Goku now still? It doesnt tell us. Does he dodge and throw punches in attoseconds? Zeptoseconds? Planck seconds? Zero time?

We still dont know unless I'm missing something. DB was always poor with speed descriptions.

It was a significant increase in his speed as they showed him to be able to blitz a full-powered Jiren, and we already know Jiren to be MFTL+; in the Quadrillions x SoL range as proven by multiple calcs.

I don't think not mentioning an exact value for his speed makes the form itself poorly explained, it's been foreshadowed and explained since early DBS. We can just estimate what speed range he would fall in by scaling him to other characters, that's infact how most of fictional verses work; and DB is just one of them.

Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX
my thread was a comparison thread

Just PM Bada about it.

Bada is horrible

https://tinyurl.com/y8rfu7qv

Originally posted by Galan007
We recently talked about this in the mod lounge.

The comparison threads(ie. which comic book character can replicate 'x' feat) are fine as long as the anime/manga feat in question is only used as the initial benchmark, and the rest of the discussion is centered around comic book characters replicating said feat.

But obviously any threads that cross into the realm of "anime characters vs. comic characters" are a no-go here. Nice.

Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX
my thread was a comparison thread We discussed it after your thread got closed.

jiren kept up with goku because he is just as fast as goku is...

slow people won't tag goku at all

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
It was a significant increase in his speed as they showed him to be able to blitz a full-powered Jiren, and we already know Jiren to be MFTL+; in the Quadrillions x SoL range as proven by multiple calcs.

I don't think not mentioning an exact value for his speed makes the form itself poorly explained, it's been foreshadowed and explained since early DBS. We can just estimate what speed range he would fall in by scaling him to other characters, that's infact how most of fictional verses work; and DB is just one of them.

Stop using stupid and faulty fan calculations to make a point. Naruto forums is the king in using fan calcs.

There even a fan calf that puts the like of Heie dark tournament to be in the triple digits of speed because he cut a demons arm, and went back to his spot.

Originally posted by SquallX
Stop using stupid and faulty fan calculations to make a point. Naruto forums is the king in using fan calcs.

There even a fan calf that puts the like of Heie dark tournament to be in the triple digits of speed because he cut a demons arm, and went back to his spot.

"I'm just going to point out a specific calc that I think is fallacious and use that to argue for calculations in general being inherently faulty".

That's how you sound right now, it being "fan" made or not is of ZERO importance as everything else people do like power-scaling and such is also technically "fan" made, writers generally don't give a shit about it. Calcs are the same, they're SIMPLY a way to quantify feats that occur in the source material, to help vsdebaters in their power-scaling endeavors, and you can't possibly from an opinion on those feats that's more reliable than the calculations by simply eye-balling or relying on your intuitions alone. period. cut the nonsense out

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
"I'm just going to point out a specific calc that I think is fallacious and use that to argue for calculations in general being inherently faulty".

That's how you sound right now, it being "fan" made or not is of ZERO importance as everything else people do like power-scaling and such is also technically "fan" made, writers generally don't give a shit about it. Calcs are the same, they're SIMPLY a way to quantify feats that occur in the source material, to help vsdebaters in their power-scaling endeavors, and you can't possibly from an opinion on those feats that's more reliable than the calculations by simply eye-balling or relying on your intuitions alone. period. cut the nonsense out

No genius, fan calcs are useless, because 10/10, those calcs are made by fans of said characters that purposely exaggerate numbers to make their characters look good.

Where as powers calling made sense because we the fans already has a basis to work with thanks to the writers.

No one takes calcs seriously because they are bias.

For example, if Silver Surfer travels the distance of 1 light year, in let's say 1 second. How would you find out the speed at which he was travelling? Except for using the S = D/T formula to divide 1 light year by 1 second and get the result, that's EXACTLY what calcs are all about. While they can be faulty with absurd assumptions, maybe the one you mentioned is one of them, but that doesn't discredit the practice of making calculations at all, if anything, that just implies that one needs to improve his/her ability to make calculations. Period

Anyone faster than him

Just give the manga a year or two, there will be another bad guy who will be faster/stronger and tag Goku


Any ways, big J was fast enough.

Originally posted by LordGod
Who is the slowest character in comics who can land a legitimate punch (or series of punches) on Ultra Instinct Goku?-

https://i.postimg.cc/fTMZZ4dh/Ultra-Instinct-Goku.jpg


Please provide evidence to back up your claims, and we'll assume that Goku is going allout here.

And no time or reality manip obviously. Want to know who can do it with pure speed alone.

This can't be answered unless you can quantify his speed and reaction times.
Can he react and move several feet to avoid or block attacks within an attosecond? nanosecond? picosecond?

Originally posted by h1a8
This can't be answered unless you can quantify his speed and reaction times.
Can he react and move several feet to avoid or block attacks within an attosecond? nanosecond? picosecond?

First I think we need to fully understand what Ultra Instinct is.

Originally posted by Stoic
First I think we need to fully understand what Ultra Instinct is. Doesn't matter what it is. It's not infinite speed and therefore there is a limit to how fast Goku can move and react.