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New 52 Superman vs Black Bolt

Supes after a good fight

If BB can get the drop on him with his voice, he may be able to take a few.

This forum has turned into a real circle jerk the last few years eh? I guess this is what happened when you drink your own Koolaid.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
This forum has turned into a real circle jerk the last few years eh? I guess this is what happened when you drink your own Koolaid.

DC has jumped the shark big time when it comes to Superman, and is narratively at one of the most awful points its been at in years. Almost all suspension of disbelief is gone, and Bendis can't write a decent story or character to save his ****ing life.

Sure, while I don't think BB's scream would get ignored by Superman (or rather, that it should), there's no real point in even debating this shit anymore when it comes to him.

Originally posted by abhilegend

Superman in a random issue shows more feats than most characters in their entire run.

Nope, Superman has transcended the regular top tier/herald category. Thanos is a great fight for him nowadays, not black bolt and Thor.

Are you arguing no below Thanos level characters are giving Superman fights in the last few years?

And BB would give Thanos a great fight. A weakened BB did exactly that against a more powerful Thanos.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Start reading some Superman related comics then come back. Or are you arguing no below Thanos level characters are giving Superman fights in the last few years?

In last few years, nearly every top tier in DC has been chumped by Superman. Easily at that. He is easily at Thanos level himself.

Giving someone a bloody nose isn't giving a great fight. Black Bolt was chumped really hard in IvX, heck emma Frost just punched through him.

Superman stomps. Spite thread.

Originally posted by abhilegend
DC top tiers are more powerful than ever. Even someone like wonder woman can fight entire pantheons now.

Nope. Thanos crushed black bolt.

at least he is not pretending to be "subjective" and "unbias" anymore

Mm Super hearing -> super sonic scream?

Originally posted by HulkIsHulk
Mm Super hearing -> super sonic scream? Well, tbf Bolt's scream *shouldn't* be sonic based. But that's hardly remembered.

If it is....

Superman is handily faster than sound.

Originally posted by abhilegend
DC top tiers are more powerful than ever. Even someone like wonder woman can fight entire pantheons now.

Nope. Thanos crushed black bolt.




I love how when a character from Company X performs a great feat, it's a shit showing for that character.

Like, if Thor beats up Galactus, the Devourer of Worlds is performing poorly. Wonder Woman fights a pantheon, and WW has levelled up.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus



I love how when a character from Company X performs a great feat, it's a shit showing for that character.

You act like it wasn't the case for marvel fans for years.

Except marvel fans started it first with Darkseid/Jobberseid taunts.

And Galactus is getting much poorer showings.

Originally posted by abhilegend
You act like it wasn't the case for marvel fans for years.

Except marvel fans started it first with Darkseid/Jobberseid taunts.

And Galactus is getting much poorer showings.

Who exactly? I remember pointing out to raging Italian Hulk fans that he'd get stomped by SB Prime on Marvel Boards. There was never any huge bias outside of rapid Hulk fans.

Marvel fans? Darkseid being a loser was a running gag across the entire internet from KMC to Comicvine to CBR for a decade. Marvel fans don't run the internet.

There was literally memes about Darkseid sucking.

That's your bias. The showing that makes a Character X looking better is inherently a bad showing for Galactus, for no other reason that you do not like him.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Who exactly? I remember pointing out to raging Italian Hulk fans that he'd get stomped by SB Prime on Marvel Boards. There was never any huge bias outside of rapid Hulk fans.

Marvel fans? Darkseid being a loser was a running gag across the entire internet from KMC to Comicvine to CBR for a decade. Marvel fans don't run the internet.

There was literally memes about Darkseid sucking.

That's your bias. The showing that makes a Character X looking better is inherently a bad showing for Galactus, for no other reason that you do not like him.


So why such whining when Galactus is treated the same way?

BTW, I'm neutral about Galactus, don't really have much of an opinion other than pissing off Bran whenever I could.

Originally posted by HulkIsHulk
Mm Super hearing -> super sonic scream? Superman can counter and cancel vibrational frequencies with his own voice.

Even defeating a jobbing Galactus is still a top shelf showing for a herald tbh.

Originally posted by abhilegend
In last few years, nearly every top tier in DC has been chumped by Superman. Easily at that. He is easily at Thanos level himself.

Giving someone a bloody nose isn't giving a great fight. Black Bolt was chumped really hard in IvX, heck emma Frost just punched through him.

Black Bolt was weakened and it still was a good fight.

He was weakened after his first scream, even that scream didn't do much to Thanos.

Namor later tanked a full scream to the face without any injury.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Namor later tanked a full scream to the face without any injury.

The "FAREWELL!" scream?

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
The "FAREWELL!" scream?
Yes.

Yup. Plus got stabbed and fell lol.

'OH! Black Bolt, what are..'

The 'Oh' is pretty funny.

Originally posted by abhilegend
He was weakened after his first scream, even that scream didn't do much to Thanos.

Namor later tanked a full scream to the face without any injury.

He tanked the second scream from a weakened BB. Well, i wouldn't say tank.

Come on ABHI. EVERY character have not so great showings. It exists. Namor didnt TANK the scream but he did survive it. The same Namor whom single punch damaged Thanos.

Originally posted by carver9
He tanked the second scream from a weakened BB. Well, i wouldn't say tank.

Come on ABHI. EVERY character have not so great showings. It exists. Namor didnt TANK the scream but he did survive it. The same Namor whom single punch damaged Thanos.
Superman himself is Thanos level these days, so I don't see what's your point?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes.



Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yup. Plus got stabbed and fell lol.

'OH! Black Bolt, what are..'

The 'Oh' is pretty funny.

Yeah, I remember that scene.

He got teleported away at the end?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman himself is Thanos level these days, so I don't see what's your point?

I disagree, but, you are entitled to your opinion because I feel the same about Hulk.

Originally posted by carver9
Come on ABHI.

Why you're turning your caps lock on when typing his nickname?

It's disturbing.

Originally posted by carver9
I disagree, but, you are entitled to your opinion because I feel the same about Hulk.
Except I don't respect your opinions.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Except I don't respect your opinions.

Lol... i feel the same way about you though.

"No you"

Originally posted by abhilegend
"No you"

Be careful.


Now that Rage's run out of thorbags flunkies, Carver got a new job as his sidekick.

blitz + masking tape to cover bb's mouth should do it.

Both are from alternate realities.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman himself is Thanos level these days, so I don't see what's your point?

and here we have THE Dumbest comment of the year

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
and here we have THE Dumbest comment of the year
No, this is^

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Be careful.


Now that Rage's run out of thorbags flunkies, Carver got a new job as his sidekick.

Carver is cucking for Thor?

Originally posted by abhilegend
DC top tiers are more powerful than ever. Even someone like wonder woman can fight entire pantheons now.

Nope. Thanos crushed black bolt.

No they aren't, and that's completely irrelevant. KMC tiering is bullshit, no writer cares about or uses or even acknowledges these tiers and nor do they catalogue or care about feats. They write what works per story. Logan has been knocked out by a bop on the head from Thing then tanked several haymakers to the face from enraged Hulk.

There's no feat log, tier, consistency, NOTHING! They loosely follow each books Bible but alter what they need to in order to dramatize or farther their plot at time of writing.

Superman would need to sun dip to even last a single second against Thanos based on the average

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
No they aren't, and that's completely irrelevant. KMC tiering is bullshit, no writer cares about or uses or even acknowledges these tiers and nor do they catalogue or care about feats. They write what works per story. Logan has been knocked out by a bop on the head from Thing then tanked several haymakers to the face from enraged Hulk.

There's no feat log, tier, consistency, NOTHING! They loosely follow each books Bible but alter what they need to in order to dramatize or farther their plot at time of writing.

Superman would need to sun dip to even last a single second against Thanos based on the average

Superman is physically stronger and astronomically faster than Thanos.

You assume that in every Superman forum fight that he will fight with equal speed to his opponent.

Why?

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
and here we have THE Dumbest comment of the year
Uh-huh. Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
No they aren't, and that's completely irrelevant. KMC tiering is bullshit, no writer cares about or uses or even acknowledges these tiers and nor do they catalogue or care about feats. They write what works per story. Logan has been knocked out by a bop on the head from Thing then tanked several haymakers to the face from enraged Hulk.

There's no feat log, tier, consistency, NOTHING! They loosely follow each books Bible but alter what they need to in order to dramatize or farther their plot at time of writing.

Superman would need to sun dip to even last a single second against Thanos based on the average
Based on what? Hal has outright stated that he is more powerful than before.

https://i.postimg.cc/DS8GmkrR/GLS-57-5.jpg

That was before he got a new ring that has basically no limits whatsoever.

https://i.postimg.cc/18YbdHxg/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/fJdKsf0t/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/w1dkjRhW/image.jpg

Other heroes are similarly upgraded.

On what basis Thanos superior to current Superman?

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
No they aren't, and that's completely irrelevant. KMC tiering is bullshit, no writer cares about or uses or even acknowledges these tiers and nor do they catalogue or care about feats. They write what works per story. Logan has been knocked out by a bop on the head from Thing then tanked several haymakers to the face from enraged Hulk.

There's no feat log, tier, consistency, NOTHING! They loosely follow each books Bible but alter what they need to in order to dramatize or farther their plot at time of writing.

Superman would need to sun dip to even last a single second against Thanos based on the average

You can't say that there's no consistency and then in the same breath argue that one character is definitively more powerful than another.

It's contradictory.

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Also, you lot, stop ****ing ruining the thread.

Originally posted by -Pr-
You can't say that there's no consistency and then in the same breath argue that one character is definitively more powerful than another.

It's contradictory.

==

Also, you lot, stop ****ing ruining the thread.

You can argue it definitively by know their skillset. Use common showings instead of outliers. or just read the story... It's not a feat manual.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Uh-huh.
Based on what? Hal has outright stated that he is more powerful than before.

https://i.postimg.cc/DS8GmkrR/GLS-57-5.jpg

That was before he got a new ring that has basically no limits whatsoever.

https://i.postimg.cc/18YbdHxg/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/fJdKsf0t/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/w1dkjRhW/image.jpg

Other heroes are similarly upgraded.

On what basis Thanos superior to current Superman?

remaining alive from a blast killed 5-6 top tiers

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
You can argue it definitively by know their skillset. Use common showings instead of outliers. or just read the story... It's not a feat manual.
And who decides what's outlier and what isn't?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Both are from alternate realities.
Right. I forgot that happened in house of m.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
remaining alive from a blast killed 5-6 top tiers
Alternate reality which was erased. The blast wasn't even moon buster (which Annihilus ordered and Thanos thought he would die).

Originally posted by abhilegend
Here when everyone is killed, Annihilus orders to destroy both moon and Earth.

http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t1/26807571_8576029.jpg

Here, Thanos acknowledges that he didn't try to get the army of the dead or Annihilus would've destroyed the moon.

http://s6d7.turboimg.net/t1/26807573_6766304.jpg

The attacks were not as powerful as before because Annihilus wanted to kill his enemies one by one as stated here.

http://s6d8.turboimg.net/t1/26807601_1065425.jpg


Puny marvel heroes and Titans. Here is how you survive more than moon destroying attacks under the same writer.

http://i.imgur.com/BLuV5kM.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/gA9Wv1g.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/UqwI7q8.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Gmlc9e3.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/zhy8IAu.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/g1pqyFz.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/aXxXA4F.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/0vN65KP.jpg

mmm

DC heroes are on another level, I tell you.

Starlin made it clear again just like in Infinity Crusade.

Coincidentally a supernova would have killed everyone on marvel earth under Starlin. Including Thanos. Just like here.

http://i.imgur.com/8MlDsKc.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/RgUkI8R.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/HAG66JQ.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/eVXdz7m.jpg

Even though it was illusion created by Warlock, if he hadn't created it Goddess would've killed the whole universe with those exploding stars.

http://i.imgur.com/30uPDmt.jpg

ha-som

Originally posted by abhilegend
And who decides what's outlier and what isn't?

If you were actually readers, you wouldn't need to be told what's an outlier.

I don't need a chart to be reading a story and say "shit that's a weak ass Logan showing, or, that's an OP one". I just know.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Alternate reality which was erased. The blast wasn't even moon buster (which Annihilus ordered and Thanos thought he would die).

and you're 100% the blast was below moon level? No context to it? Just BeLoW moon level correct?

Full Capacity rule still exists. There isn't a 'Lets use averages' rule.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
If you were actually readers, you wouldn't need to be told what's an outlier.


So just you. Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
I don't need a chart to be reading a story and say "shit that's a weak ass Logan showing, or, that's an OP one". I just know.



and you're 100% the blast was below moon level? No context to it? Just BeLoW moon level correct?
Yes.

Originally posted by abhilegend


So just you.
Yes.

Nope, You're over measuring and defining and tiering fantasy is pointless for one, due to complete lack of consistency, but it also sucks the joy out of the stories.

*comes to a site to debate comics based on feats*
*complains about using feats*

dur

BTW Majestic has also survived destruction of Earth and Moon which killed everyone else on the planet including many top tiers.

http://imgur.com/a/5c42y

Doesn't means he is superior to Superman.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Nope, You're over measuring and defining and tiering fantasy is pointless for one, due to complete lack of consistency, but it also sucks the joy out of the stories.
So, what should we do. Just suppose Thanos is superior to Superman? Who else is also superior to Superman, o wise one?

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
You can argue it definitively by know their skillset. Use common showings instead of outliers. or just read the story... It's not a feat manual.

I feel like you read the rules of this forum, but only actually paid attention to half of it.

Baz is on the attack haha.

My popcorn is ready.

Unfortunately for Black Bolt, a lot of his most powerful and meaningful showings are alternate universe.

Apocaplypse, Celestials, Sentry, etc. All unusable.

And as much as I'd like for him to have a chance, if we highball his voice, we'd have to highball Superman's damage soak, and there's no reason at all that Superman could not do this:

https://lowbrowcomics.files.wordpress.com/2016/02/infinity-004-016.jpg?w=781

Originally posted by Damborgson
Unfortunately for Black Bolt, a lot of his most powerful and meaningful showings are alternate universe.

Apocaplypse, Celestials, Sentry, etc. All unusable.

Apoc - very true, he failed to do him harm in the mainstream continuity and HoM Apoc also lost to HoM Mags (but he did beat HoM Namor underwater, so that's something).

BB had a decent showing against Sentry in 616, didn't he?

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
HoM Apoc also lost to HoM Mags https://media1.tenor.com/images/a4bcb86caa247766a61671e7dd855b28/tenor.gif

Originally posted by -Pr-
DC has jumped the shark big time when it comes to Superman, and is narratively at one of the most awful points its been at in years. Almost all suspension of disbelief is gone, and Bendis can't write a decent story or character to save his ****ing life.

Sure, while I don't think BB's scream would get ignored by Superman (or rather, that it should), there's no real point in even debating this shit anymore when it comes to him.

that's Bendis for you. In the same vein he has Superman getting thrashed by rogal zaar and that red smoke chick. He always attempts to take characters in his own deal, ignoring certain characteristics in order to create a shock value storyline what usually ends lackluster.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
that's Bendis for you. In the same vein he has Superman getting thrashed by rogal zaar and that red smoke chick. He always attempts to take characters in his own deal, ignoring certain characteristics in order to create a shock value storyline what usually ends lackluster.

Red smoke chick?

Who?

that Red Cloud chick that should've been a one an done

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
that's Bendis for you. In the same vein he has Superman getting thrashed by rogal zaar and that red smoke chick. He always attempts to take characters in his own deal, ignoring certain characteristics in order to create a shock value storyline what usually ends lackluster. Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
that Red Cloud chick that should've been a one an done
Rogol Zaar is just that powerful. Red Cloud is specifically created from materials which chokes Kryptonians and she was shown more powerful than Legion of Doom. In fact Bendis had legion of Doom with seven universal powers unable to take Superman directly unless he doesn't go full power for the fear of others in metropolis.

Bendis' Superman is freaking overpowered.

https://i.postimg.cc/pVsFmjn5/image.jpg

Just for emphasis, legion of Doom with universal forces on their command had to choose right time, right place (where Superman wouldn't go all out but they could) just to soften Superman up. They couldn't kill Superman even then.

And this is supposed to be a low showing for Superman.