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I got the idea after watching this video, particularly the bit from 1:10 to 3:00 odd:

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So, yeah, we've got Cade so far. Anyone who can eclipse him?

Cameron Diaz's character in Bad Teacher

The hero of John Q.

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ProtagonistCenteredMorality

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DesignatedVillain

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/DesignatedHero/LiveActionFilms

Originally posted by HulkIsHulk
The hero of John Q.
Completely different movie, but John Q put me in mind of Law Abiding Citizen. I guess we were supposed to be rooting for Jamie Foxx's character in that movie?
Screw that guy.

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Ferris Bueler.

Originally posted by KingD19
Ferris Bueler.
QFT

That said, i'd still hang out w. him!

I don't think Ferris is a terrible person, just lazy, selfish, good at pretending and very lucky
All he did was skip school so he could help out his depressed friend and hang out with his girlfriend. He's a slacker. Not.a crime

^^^I respect your opinion, but as I got older it seemed to me, Ferris was mostly interested in helping out Ferris.

Originally posted by riv6672
QFT

That said, i'd still hang out w. him!

I'd hang out with him once or twice with other people around, but if he suggested anything, I'm out. Didn't feel like quoting your second post to Hulk, but basically you're entirely correct. Ferris cares about Ferris and sees everyone else as a pawn. If the movie wasn't made in the 80's and had such upbeat comedy and tones, like if it was made in the past few years? It would be a suspense thriller about a sociopathic high schooler making everyone dance to his tune with them never realizing the awful truth.


Originally posted by HulkIsHulk
I don't think Ferris is a terrible person, just lazy, selfish, good at pretending and very lucky
All he did was skip school so he could help out his depressed friend and hang out with his girlfriend. He's a slacker. Not.a crime

You glossed over all the sh*t he did.

https://www.eightieskids.com/10-reasons-why-ferris-bueller-is-actually-an-awful-person/

Ferris was a manipulative a*shole who saw people as tools for his amusement and getting what he wanted, even his parents.

He even vilified the Dean/Principal for just wanting him to stop bullsh*tting and go to school.

Owen Wilson's character in Wedding Crashers.

The dean/principal needed some serious therapy because he took his job way too seriously. Had he been a bit more levelheaded about it he could have got rid of Ferris easily.

Originally posted by HulkIsHulk
The dean/principal needed some serious therapy because he took his job way too seriously. Had he been a bit more levelheaded about it he could have got rid of Ferris easily.

The principal isn't the guy who did all this illegal stuff and used people around him like puppets. He was wound too tight, but Ferris is sh*t and he brought it out of him.

This isn't about the principal. Ferris is the protagonist and by far the most vile trash in that entire movie. If you didn't already, click the link I posted. Or go watch the movie again. He should be one of the top people in this topic.

Besides, not being able to.hate Ferris is maybe because I have friends who have some of his characters. ButI yeah he's no ideal.hero, screw thatthe he's no.hero.


Plus that article is not entirely correct either.

In the end Cameron grew a spine. Whatever happens between his dad later, that's gotta count.
Okay, vile trash? Ferris is no saint but that's an extreme description
The entire cast save for him are nincompoops. which is why he gets away with things

So because it's easy for him to get over on people, it's okay that he takes the advantage to do so? You're basically saying it's cool to screw people over and manipulate them how you like, as long as they're too dumb to realize you're doing it. It's easy to rob dementia patients because they won't remember it even happened, so it's cool to just pilfer some retirement homes?

What he does is not okay. I never said that it was. Its just that I don't think its that big of a deal, and basically its plot armor which allows him to.do so. You seem to seriously hate the character. So.lets just agree to.disagree

While we are on it, here's a real life ed rooney

https://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/school-principal-sick-students-house-article-1.454317?outputType=amp

I don't hate him. I just think he's a sh*t person, and this is about film protags who are terrible people, which he is. You seem to be defending him despite knowing full well nothing he did was okay.

Back on topic of protagonists who are terrible...I nominate Donnie Wilson from Den of Thieves(Ice Cube Jr's character) He set the entire events of the film in motion, which ended with Merriman and his entire crew dead. Merriman was fresh out of prison and had no reason to go back to the criminal life but Donnie's deal was too sweet to pass up. 50 Cent was a father and family man who made decent money, but now he's got orphans and a widow with only a limited amount of money to live on until they find a new solution. Etc, etc, etc...

And meanwhile, Donnie has basically pulled a Kansas City Shuffle, letting Merriman and his guys draw all the heat and get killed while he and his guys made off with millions, then moved to London so he could pull the same trick again.

DCEU Superman

Derek Vinyard from American History X, I don't think much more needs to be said on his case.

Dude is a Neo-Nazi.

Come to think of it, "The Narrator" from Fight Club was pretty horrible too.

But Derek redeemed himself.

He got out of that lifestyle after he went to prison, and then tried to pull his brother/family away from it as well. He was trying to legitimately do right, because he saw the error of his ways.

Obi Wan Kenobi

dude straight up lied to Luke about his dad so he'd kill him for the Jedi cause and when confronted about it later on he throws some crap excuse about points of view at Luke like thats supposed to make things better

Originally posted by relentless1
Obi Wan Kenobi

dude straight up lied to Luke about his dad so he'd kill him for the Jedi cause and when confronted about it later on he throws some crap excuse about points of view at Luke like thats supposed to make things better

The Jedi Council as a whole were horrible people. Yoda and Mace being the two worse.

All the shits that happens in the prequels could have been averted if they had just sat Anakin down and talk to him like a person, and not just their weapon.

Agree with all on prequel trilogy. Especially with all so wise Yoda.
Your mother is gonna die? Shove it up your rear and don't do or think anything about it

You're basically saying it's cool to screw people over and manipulate them how you like, as long as they're too dumb to realize you're doing it

When did he screw over people? He even agreed to take the heat for the car his friend wrecked but Cameron refused. He even admits that getting his friend out of his shell was part of the plan in the narration. He's no saint, but he's no psychopath
Actually what wrong things did he do? Lemme see, skipping school and going for a joyride with his friend, pretending to.be sick, lying to parents, manipulating records. So basically pretty much every teenager ever. Not that those things are the right things to do, but are they that serious?

Maybe I am wrong, but is this irritation over him getting away with.things no one in real life.would? Welcome to.movie rules 111 : realistic consequences are arbitary decisions of the writer

And what I said was, the others around him.being.idiots is not his fault