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both at full capacity

no pis/cis

Win via incap, or KO

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peak levels, no amps

No, now you will go on to troll anyone sho says otherwise.

Theoretically yes, but not based on the majority of their showings.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
both at full capacity

no pis/cis loki would be a statue to superman under these stips. supes would use his immensely superior speed to rip him limb from limb and throw the pieces into space before loki could even compute that the battle had started.

Didn't see no CIS.

How the **** does Superman win?

No CIS plays into Supes' favor.

It turns a contestable fight into a stomp.

Supes one shots him

How would Supes touch him?
Loki has intangibility and invisibility, and can use his abilities while phased/invisible.

Originally posted by krisblaze
How would Supes touch him?
Loki has intangibility and invisibility, and can use his abilities while phased/invisible.

Because Loki doesn't start out that way. Forum rules are he's 'standard', i.e. physical.

Not to mention Superman can see souls and auras (so intangible/invisible isn't an auto defense). And can sing things out of existence.

Loki can move through dimensions as well, I'm not so sure he vibrates the same way DC characters do.
Odin can see souls and auras as well, but he can't see Loki when he's turned invisible. Hell, Mephisto can't even see him in his own realm.

Really comes down to whether or not Loki can activate his magics before Superman blitzes, imo.

I'm not familiar enough with Loki's perception/reaction speed showings to say.

Superman wins.

Originally posted by Galan007
Really comes down to whether or not Loki can activate his magics before Superman blitzes, imo.

I'm not familiar enough with Loki's perception/reaction speed showings to say.
All over the place.
He has superhuman speed and reflexes, but he can't match Superman.
If it matters then he would lose a boxing match but win eith 0,01 dec prep.

Originally posted by Galan007
I'm not familiar enough with Loki's perception/reaction speed showings to say. nothing that puts him on superman's level.

Thor vs Superman, battle zone, let's do it punk.

Originally posted by Galan007
Really comes down to whether or not Loki can activate his magics before Superman blitzes, imo.

I'm not familiar enough with Loki's perception/reaction speed showings to say.

Supes punches Loki's teeth out. The exploding teeth shreds clark.

Well we know magical teeth can hurt Supes.

Chop him into pieces is a better way of saying this.

Originally posted by Galan007
Really comes down to whether or not Loki can activate his magics before Superman blitzes, imo.

I'm not familiar enough with Loki's perception/reaction speed showings to say.
This is pretty much exactly what I thought as well

Originally posted by Damborgson
Thor vs Superman, battle zone, let's do it punk.

Originally posted by abhilegend


And I'm serious lol

Are you now?

how are you gonna find judges for a thor vs superman bz?

everyone is biased one way or the other... and both the hate and love are strong with these 2

No CIS means this depends entirely on whether or not Superman can hit Loki before he activates magic and keep him down. The contention, is that:

(1) Loki's magic is thought-activated and faster than light or thought. Superman can also react and move faster than thought or light, but Loki doesn't even have to move to us his magic (Teleported Absorbing Man to a different planet and back, arms-crossed etc).

(2) Aside from having Herald level durability unlike other Sorcerer's (Doesn't matter here), Loki has defensive healing spells that can repair or has come back from attacks that should be fatal without any injury (It's why Mjolnir is so dangerous, it counters his magic).

(3) Loki can exist as an astral projection and apparently not lose much or any power unlike other Sorcerers.

Bell starts, Superman attempts to punch Loki's head off. Is that enough to stop him? If not, not sure how Superman can win.

Loki could teleport him into a Red Sun or turn everything in the area into Kryptonite while being intangible, invisible, a dozen dimensions away? No CIS becomes stupid when you're not limited to mana or incantation. It's basically, a pointless and rigged thread against Superman imo. It's not really a fight, but a prolonged prep thread.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Are you now?

Indeed.



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@Mr.Mind,

that's fair...but I'd assume we could find a few at least.


Maybe from the anime forums or something.

Originally posted by MrMind
how are you gonna find judges for a thor vs superman bz?

everyone is biased one way or the other... and both the hate and love are strong with these 2

I like both characters, but hate most posters... so I can't do it.

Originally posted by Damborgson
Indeed.



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@Mr.Mind,

that's fair...but I'd assume we could find a few at least.


Maybe from the anime forums or something.

Well, neither you nor abhi are virgins at this, so if you both agree to judges then that should be fair.

So say, someone like Juntai, Phildo, Rage and Celey, with someone like Galan then rounding it out. Or if you both think someone like say KM was impartial,then have him.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
No CIS means this depends entirely on whether or not Superman can hit Loki before he activates magic and keep him down. The contention, is that:

(1) Loki's magic is thought-activated and faster than light or thought. Superman can also react and move faster than thought or light, but Loki doesn't even have to move to us his magic (Teleported Absorbing Man to a different planet and back, arms-crossed etc).

(2) Aside from having Herald level durability unlike other Sorcerer's (Doesn't matter here), Loki has defensive healing spells that can repair or has come back from attacks that should be fatal without any injury (It's why Mjolnir is so dangerous, it counters his magic).

(3) Loki can exist as an astral projection and apparently not lose much or any power unlike other Sorcerers.

Bell starts, Superman attempts to punch Loki's head off. Is that enough to stop him? If not, not sure how Superman can win.

Loki could teleport him into a Red Sun or turn everything in the area into Kryptonite while being intangible, invisible, a dozen dimensions away? No CIS becomes stupid when you're not limited to mana or incantation. It's basically, a pointless and rigged thread against Superman imo. It's not really a fight, but a prolonged prep thread.

There is no such thing as speed of thought. It's time of thought. In other words, the time it takes to make a thought.

1. Post scans of Loki teleporting someone without moving and pointing.

2. Post scans of Loki being able to teleport a moving object that he can't perceive the location of at a particular moment.

3. Prove that Loki knows the exact composition of kryptonite and that he can turn the surroundings into kryptonite and that the kryptonite will work on Superman (not from his universe).

4. Prove that Loki can teleport and create kryptonite while being intangible.

5. Leaving the battle field is not allowed.

Besides teleportation, what other magic from Loki can harm Superman significantly?

I can judge Superman vs Thor.

Originally posted by Damborgson
Indeed.



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@Mr.Mind,

that's fair...but I'd assume we could find a few at least.


Maybe from the anime forums or something.
I don't think you are. Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
No CIS means this depends entirely on whether or not Superman can hit Loki before he activates magic and keep him down. The contention, is that:

(1) Loki's magic is thought-activated and faster than light or thought. Superman can also react and move faster than thought or light, but Loki doesn't even have to move to us his magic (Teleported Absorbing Man to a different planet and back, arms-crossed etc).

(2) Aside from having Herald level durability unlike other Sorcerer's (Doesn't matter here), Loki has defensive healing spells that can repair or has come back from attacks that should be fatal without any injury (It's why Mjolnir is so dangerous, it counters his magic).

(3) Loki can exist as an astral projection and apparently not lose much or any power unlike other Sorcerers.

Bell starts, Superman attempts to punch Loki's head off. Is that enough to stop him? If not, not sure how Superman can win.

Loki could teleport him into a Red Sun or turn everything in the area into Kryptonite while being intangible, invisible, a dozen dimensions away? No CIS becomes stupid when you're not limited to mana or incantation. It's basically, a pointless and rigged thread against Superman imo. It's not really a fight, but a prolonged prep thread.
Gee, I don't think Loki has ever lost in a comic by the way you are deep throating him. Never knocked out, eh?

Originally posted by krisblaze
I can judge Superman vs Thor.

you are a thorbag but whatevs...

Yeah, he is a thorbag desperately trying to masquerade as a Bane/X-Men fan, so we wouldn't skin him alive and eat his flesh.

@squall

what puts him "Above" Superman is that he's a high level mage with insane versatility, while Superman is flying brick with a weakness/vulnerability to magic.

common sense should tell you that

Wasn't Loki unbothered by getting his head cut off?

Originally posted by Damborgson
And I'm serious lol

Thor can't even beat Foggy Nelson on KMC... and you want to actually use him in a battlezone?

You need to travel back to 2000 or something.

Even Killer Croc gets more respect than Thor these days.

Originally posted by MrMind
you are a thorbag but whatevs...

Mainly a Lokibag but whatever

You're just a bag

and you are a dick

together you guys are called ____

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW


Even Killer Croc gets more respect than Thor these days.
Not sure about killer croc, he sucks. Maybe ure talkin bout killer cock.

He beat the unbeatable Prquaman:

1. https://i.imgur.com/hh9O5eK.jpg
2. https://i.imgur.com/Os7ChIf.jpg
3. https://i.imgur.com/tKG7lNQ.jpg
4. https://i.imgur.com/pK2GSgr.jpg

Not sure how u got that from those pics, but....
Even if he did beat him, that's...

https://media.giphy.com/media/zYexwRmAVpTfW/source.gif

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Not sure how u got that from those pics

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https://i.ibb.co/s6vGCQH/Pr.png

Originally posted by HulkIsHulk
Wasn't Loki unbothered by getting his head cut off?
So is Deadpool and Lobo. Guess they never get koed.

https://i.ibb.co/8Pt681n/croc.png

Originally posted by abhilegend
I don't think you are.
Gee, I don't think Loki has ever lost in a comic by the way you are deep throating him. Never knocked out, eh?

The opening posts says no CIS. And for a villain that's been around for 50+ years, with more appearances than most heroes, he has a phenomenal track record. How many times has Loki lost a fight against someone that wasn't Thor?

Most villains with a quarter of Loki's appearances start losing to the Teen Titans or X-men.

When did I say Superman could never knock Loki out?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
The opening posts says no CIS. And for a villain that's been around for 50+ years, with more appearances than most heroes, he has a phenomenal track record. How many times has Loki lost a fight against someone that wasn't Thor?

Most villains with a quarter of Loki's appearances start losing to the Teen Titans or X-men.

When did I say Superman could never knock Loki out?
How many heroes besides Thor has Loki even fought straight up in a physical fight?

You think Loki is scary for non CIS fights? Should I start with Flash level speedblitz and enough strength to destroy planets by jumping while being at death's doors now? Loki would get koed in a nanosecond.

Originally posted by MrMind
and you are a dick

together you guys are called ____

lol.

Originally posted by abhilegend
How many heroes besides Thor has Loki even fought straight up in a physical fight?

You think Loki is scary for non CIS fights? Should I start with Flash level speedblitz and enough strength to destroy planets by jumping while being at death's doors now? Loki would get koed in a nanosecond.

Why do you want me to do your work for you?

Lol. That changes literally nothing about my initial analysis. I considered Superman being faster than light/thought and being able to take out Loki with his attack.

Also, Superman isn't as fast as the Flash.

depends on which flash

superman is slower than wally and barry, but faster than bart and jay

and superman is not just faster than light, he is at least millions times faster than light

Originally posted by abhilegend
I don't think you are.


Want to take his place?


We can battle it out instead.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Why do you want me to do your work for you?

Lol. That changes literally nothing about my initial analysis. I considered Superman being faster than light/thought and being able to take out Loki with his attack.

Also, Superman isn't as fast as the Flash.
Because you're talking about Loki's feats here, not me.

I said Flash level which he is. He actually beat Flash in a race, just a few months back.

Superman isn't anywhere near as fast as Wally or Barry.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Superman isn't anywhere near as fast as Wally or Barry.
Yeah, that's why he actually beat Barry in a race. Originally posted by Damborgson
Want to take his place?


We can battle it out instead.
Huh?

No pis means Supes is gonna be quite vulnerable to a character like Loki no? Magic is a defined vulnerability or even a borderline weakness to it?

Loki is more vulnerable to a punch in the face.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Because you're talking about Loki's feats here, not me.

I said Flash level which he is. He actually beat Flash in a race, just a few months back.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=551221&pagenumber=3

Depends on the Flash. Wally West is much faster than Superman, and makes him look like a statue. In a real fight/race, even Barry would smoke Superman. I think we've seen that conclusively, especially post-Flash War.

This board wants you dead, Rage.

Don't be surprised if you get kidnapped and have your organs harvested

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah, that's why he actually beat Barry in a race.
Huh?

Would you like to do the BZ instead? Would be fun.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
This board wants you dead, Rage.

Don't be surprised if you get kidnapped and have your organs harvested

I didn't know you were Chinese.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=551221&pagenumber=3

Depends on the Flash. Wally West is much faster than Superman, and makes him look like a statue. In a real fight/race, even Barry would smoke Superman. I think we've seen that conclusively, especially post-Flash War.

much faster?

just recently superman rebuilt the moon on a single panel

Wally West is the fastest being in the Multiverse more or less.

yeah wally is faster, but not that much faster

wally speed is infinite, supes is close to infinite

I'm going to be that guy, but...how is one close to infinity? 🤔

if infinity is a number, Superman is infinity-1 or something, i dont know i didn't pay attention in college

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/FluidLiquidCranefly-max-1mb.gif

Originally posted by abhilegend
Loki is more vulnerable to a punch in the face.
Its a magical face....

shifty

TBH, Infinity is best described as a concept or an idea, rather than number.
https://www.sporcle.com/blog/2018/12/is-infinity-a-number/
But most people( Including comic writers)treat it as a number

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
This board wants you dead, Rage.

Don't be surprised if you get kidnapped and have your organs harvested

Originally posted by MrMind
much faster?

just recently superman rebuilt the moon on a single panel

He didnt build the moon in a single panel. Read the comic..

*single page

*read the comic

Gotta say, that moon feat was diesel though..

Originally posted by carver9
*read the comic

*you are ugly

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Gotta say, that moon feat was diesel though..

It was. I agree

Originally posted by MrMind
*you are ugly

Introduce me to your girl (if you have one). Also, here...

https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Justice-League-2018/Issue-9?id=140741

single page, my point proven

https://www.geekslop.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/image_thumb-26-1.png

https://img.webmd.com/dtmcms/live/webmd/consumer_assets/site_images/articles/health_tools/how_to_look_younger_men/493ss_getty_rf_man_trimming_beard.jpg

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Y3fPXbCWHow/hqdefault.jpg

Originally posted by carver9
Introduce me to your girl (if you have one). Also, here...

https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Justice-League-2018/Issue-9?id=140741

That shows him putting the moon back together in a single page

Originally posted by BrolyBlack
That shows him putting the moon back together in a single page

he's hanging on to my typo, it's all the leg he has to stand on

Pretty weak leg

but juicy lips

https://cdn.quotesgram.com/img/29/56/1382443814-giant_lips_guy_jpg_1286408550.jpg

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I didn't know you were Chinese.

What would you offer me if I could make you white, Rage?

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
No pis means Supes is gonna be quite vulnerable to a character like Loki no? Magic is a defined vulnerability or even a borderline weakness to it?

No CIS means that he wouldn't give a character like Loki the chance to use his magics.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
What would you offer me if I could make you white, Rage?

https://i.imgur.com/pbUVCLY.png

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
No CIS means that he wouldn't give a character like Loki the chance to use his magics.
Hence
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Supes punches Loki's teeth out. The exploding teeth shreds clark.

The exploding teeth pierce Thor's skull, who was coming to save Loki.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Hence

Nope.

No CIS means that he calculates the trajectory of every tooth fragment, thus avoiding them

Originally posted by BrolyBlack
That shows him putting the moon back together in a single page

No it doesn't. He didn't finish the moon until the last page. Look at the comic.

The nitpicky carver.

nitpicking carv is my fav

*Actually, Superman is only seventy billion times the speed of light,not 80!!! Haha you're all idiots!*

-Carver9

Originally posted by Damborgson
Would you like to do the BZ instead? Would be fun.

Bump so its not missed.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Nope.

No CIS means that he calculates the trajectory of every tooth fragment, thus avoiding them
Wow thats pretty fast if hes able to outspeed his speed.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Wow thats pretty fast if hes able to outspeed his speed.

Indeed. DC seem to think so ,what with him being faster than Wally, who is faster than speed.

Why would you think the teeth flying out of Loki's mouth would be beyond him? Especially if he calculates before he hits?

Originally posted by Damborgson
Bump so its not missed.

Love this. Cant wait for ABHI or Mr. Mind to accept this challenge.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Indeed. DC seem to think so ,what with him being faster than Wally, who is faster than speed.

Why would you think the teeth flying out of Loki's mouth would be beyond him? Especially if he calculates before he hits?
Dunno. Im guessing the trajectory is random and the speed is dependent on what he put on. Beats me. *shrug*

Originally posted by MrMind
https://i.imgur.com/pbUVCLY.png

That first quote was in response to me

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=551221&pagenumber=3

Depends on the Flash. Wally West is much faster than Superman, and makes him look like a statue. In a real fight/race, even Barry would smoke Superman. I think we've seen that conclusively, especially post-Flash War.
Nope, even Wally is not that fast. And I didn't see any fights with any particular hero who was you know, actually powerful besides Thor where Loki got his ass kicked, repeatedly.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Dunno. Im guessing the trajectory is random and the speed is dependent on what he put on. Beats me. *shrug*

then you misunderstood my post, concession accepted

Originally posted by Damborgson
Bump so its not missed.

Soooo abhi are you going to accept the bz? you've been ducking for awhile now my guy LOL. I WOULD ask saint to acce-- BUT he's still recovering from the wreckage that mutant gave him THE offer is UP super fans, accept damborgs bz @diesl @broly @mrmind Show us marvel TaRdS what Superman can do, shit is hilarious how dudes fold when a challenge is put up.

Originally posted by MrMind
much faster?

just recently superman rebuilt the moon on a single panel

Except that speed feat isn't impressive. BTW it's not combat speed, either, since they're moving long distances while talking. They're basically doing the equivalent of flying around the Moon dozens to hundreds of times within a matter of minutes, possibly less, and that would only make them several to tens of times faster than the speed of light.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Soooo abhi are you going to accept the bz? you've been ducking for awhile now my guy LOL. I WOULD ask saint to acce-- BUT he's still recovering from the wreckage that mutant gave him THE offer is UP super fans, accept damborgs bz @diesl @broly @mrmind Show us marvel TaRdS what Superman can do, shit is hilarious how dudes fold when a challenge is put up.
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Except that speed feat isn't impressive. BTW it's not combat speed, either, since they're moving long distances while talking. They're basically doing the equivalent of flying around the Moon dozens to hundreds of times within a matter of minutes, possibly less, and that would only make them several to tens of times faster than the speed of light.


Oh you moron. So he simply flew around the moon and it assembled itself?

Originally posted by Damborgson
Bump so its not missed.
Sure, but who's gonna judge?

Does Albert just wave his hands over the board when doing jigsaws?

Alberto stfu.


And we'll look around Abhi.

Originally posted by abhilegend



Oh you moron. So he simply flew around the moon and it assembled itself?

of course I'm not saying that, But that still doesn't equate to combat speed. Reaction speed in a certain interpretation, maybe. But that can't be used to gauge what he can do in a battle.
It's literally distinctly different from being in a fight, for multiple reasons. Also, watching where they're going as they're flying is the same as a person driving in a car, lol. It's got nothing to do with how to move your body.

Originally posted by Damborgson
Alberto stfu.


And we'll look around Abhi.
Ok, let me know who's in your mind. Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
of course I'm not saying that, But that still doesn't equate to combat speed. Reaction speed in a certain interpretation, maybe. But that can't be used to gauge what he can do in a battle.
It's literally distinctly different from being in a fight, for multiple reasons. Also, watching where they're going as they're flying is the same as a person driving in a car, lol. It's got nothing to do with how to move your body.
So doing complex things like reassembling a moon is not combat speed?

And you wonder why everyone call you a moron.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Except that speed feat isn't impressive. BTW it's not combat speed, either, since they're moving long distances while talking. They're basically doing the equivalent of flying around the Moon dozens to hundreds of times within a matter of minutes, possibly less, and that would only make them several to tens of times faster than the speed of light.

How do you get away this shit posting you pathetic manchild

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I didn't know you were Chinese.

Falun gong.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Ok, let me know who's in your mind.
So doing complex things like reassembling a moon is not combat speed?

And you wonder why everyone call you a moron.

Absolutely, that's EXACTLY what my point was. and you've yet to prove how it's applicable in a combat situation. NOW Gladiator blitzing Heimdall is WHAT combat speed looks like, learn the difference.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Absolutely, that's EXACTLY what my point was. and you've yet to prove how it's applicable in a combat situation. NOW Gladiator blitzing Heimdall is WHAT combat speed looks like, learn the difference.

WRONG

@diesl

looking for pieces of rock is a much more involved and complex process of function so it's a much more complex feat of speed. But again, IT'S NOT applicable for a hypothetical fight when you're discussing characters in character.

For instance, if Superman has 100 examples of that level of complex speed.

But, Superman has 200 examples of limitation in terms of using that level of speed in combat, then How do WE know those 100 high speed examples of complex movement can be applied to fighting coordination, reflex and instinct?

Its LITERALLY wishful thinking, period. the 200 examples (for instance) are an actual demonstration of that concept in a microscope. If the demonstration denotes certain limitations under combative conditions then those limitations need be accounted for too.

Supes is hard to pin down because the scales between his lax state and his maximum effort state are massive in distance between them.

Superman wins, deal with it

Performing a complex action at superspeed applies to combat. Of course it does. If the mind can process the information and the body can follow with minimum delay, then yes, it applies.

shrug

I mean, stabbing someone at superspeed would take less effort and much less finesse than making a sandwich. I don't see what the problem is.

I know sweet **** all about Loki though, outside of his appearances in stuff like Avengers and events though.

Originally posted by -Pr-
shrug

I mean, stabbing someone at superspeed would take less effort and much less finesse than making a sandwich. I don't see what the problem is.

I know sweet **** all about Loki though, outside of his appearances in stuff like Avengers and events though.

I bet you know a lot about making a sandwich though

Originally posted by abhilegend
Ok, let me know who's in your mind.
So doing complex things like reassembling a moon is not combat speed? The impressive part for me isn't *just* that he reassembled the moon. It's that he reassembled the moon exactly how it appeared before -- complete with its previous craters and general topography:
https://i.ibb.co/3YkJz5y/Justice-League-2018-009-022.jpg

...In a single page, lol.

Originally posted by BrolyBlack
I bet you know a lot about making a sandwich though

I can neither confirm nor deny such a thing.

Originally posted by Galan007
The impressive part for me isn't *just* that he reassembled the moon. It's that he reassembled the moon exactly how it appeared before -- complete with its previous craters and general topography:
https://i.ibb.co/3YkJz5y/Justice-League-2018-009-022.jpg

...In a single page, lol.

The ultimate jigsaw puzzle.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Absolutely, that's EXACTLY what my point was. and you've yet to prove how it's applicable in a combat situation. NOW Gladiator blitzing Heimdall is WHAT combat speed looks like, learn the difference.

Where's your common sense? A punch is far less complex than searching space for the right moon piece, moving to the exact location, and placing it in its correct spot. You could have thrown multiple punches by then.

Requires for combat speed
1. Move very fast from a stand still
2. Perceive and react in very small increments of time

Originally posted by abhilegend
Ok, let me know who's in your mind.
So doing complex things like reassembling a moon is not combat speed?

And you wonder why everyone call you a moron.

Okay how about


1. Philo

2. Supermutant

3. KM

4. Leo(?)

5. Smurph

Hmm, not sure they will be unbiased.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Absolutely, that's EXACTLY what my point was. and you've yet to prove how it's applicable in a combat situation. NOW Gladiator blitzing Heimdall is WHAT combat speed looks like, learn the difference.
Moron

Originally posted by abhilegend
Hmm, not sure they will be unbiased.

Whom in particular ?

Get Pr, Smuph, Bada, KM, Leo. As unbiased as you get.

no

get rage, celey, khazar reborn, carver and alberto

Leo hardly posts anymore

Originally posted by MrMind
no

get rage, celey, khazar reborn, carver and alberto so you want a quick 5 votes for Abhi ?

Originally posted by Damborgson
Whom in particular ?
Leo and smurph actually.

We could keep it to 3 judges, Philo, KM and SM.

OK, when should we start?

Here ill PM you some more details.

Ok

I suggest you agree to the terms in specific detail:
- starting distance
- prep
- battlefield
- what you can do inside the battlefield, depending on how large/small it is
etc.
So that you don't mid-match go "Hey, no sundipping" or stuff like that.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Performing a complex action at superspeed applies to combat. Of course it does. If the mind can process the information and the body can follow with minimum delay, then yes, it applies.

Except it doesn't apply


There are plenty of people who can hit pads fast enough but being in combat is a whole 'nother story.


There's an old cowboy type who can shoot from his holster at targets so fast that he can make two shots sound like the same fire, but he wouldn't hold a candle to keeping up with someone in a fist fight.

These things matter. If you don't have a bunch of feats demonstrating limitations in combat, that's one thing, you can make a hypothesis based on hypothetical relevance and relativity. But, when you do have a number of feats showcasing said limitations then you're dealing with a realm of known/observable statistical data and making the same hypothetical hypothesis would necessarily have to be made under the duress of "despite existing evidence to the contrary, PERIOD.

I've seen that argument presented too many times and it ALWAYS suffers the same flaws.

How can one conflate demonstrations of complex super speed as super combat speed? Like what lmao? Haha yeah I'm SURE there's merit to the perspective in some hypothetical manner but in terms of limitation? we see that limitation presented, often. Not disputable

Originally posted by abhilegend
Moron

Stay salty, keep throwing that nonsense about that feat at me and i'll keep dismantling it, fanboy.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Except it doesn't apply


There are plenty of people who can hit pads fast enough but being in combat is a whole 'nother story.


There's an old cowboy type who can shoot from his holster at targets so fast that he can make two shots sound like the same fire, but he wouldn't hold a candle to keeping up with someone in a fist fight.

These things matter. If you don't have a bunch of feats demonstrating limitations in combat, that's one thing, you can make a hypothesis based on hypothetical relevance and relativity. But, when you do have a number of feats showcasing said limitations then you're dealing with a realm of known/observable statistical data and making the same hypothetical hypothesis would necessarily have to be made under the duress of "despite existing evidence to the contrary, PERIOD.

I've seen that argument presented too many times and it ALWAYS suffers the same flaws.

How can one conflate demonstrations of complex super speed as super combat speed? Like what lmao? Haha yeah I'm SURE there's merit to the perspective in some hypothetical manner but in terms of limitation? we see that limitation presented, often. Not disputable

Waste of post. Me and Pr stated two things had to be true first.
You argued a whole post as if we stated speed was the only factor.

We said both speed and reactions. If you can walk around and have a long conversation while casually unloosing your tie within the fraction of a nanosecond then you could have inserted at least several punches.

Do you believe it is possible to walk around casually while having a long conversation and while taking off your tie all within the fraction of a nanosecond and not be able to throw a punch within a nanosecond?

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Except it doesn't apply


There are plenty of people who can hit pads fast enough but being in combat is a whole 'nother story.


There's an old cowboy type who can shoot from his holster at targets so fast that he can make two shots sound like the same fire, but he wouldn't hold a candle to keeping up with someone in a fist fight.

These things matter. If you don't have a bunch of feats demonstrating limitations in combat, that's one thing, you can make a hypothesis based on hypothetical relevance and relativity. But, when you do have a number of feats showcasing said limitations then you're dealing with a realm of known/observable statistical data and making the same hypothetical hypothesis would necessarily have to be made under the duress of "despite existing evidence to the contrary, PERIOD.

I've seen that argument presented too many times and it ALWAYS suffers the same flaws.

How can one conflate demonstrations of complex super speed as super combat speed? Like what lmao? Haha yeah I'm SURE there's merit to the perspective in some hypothetical manner but in terms of limitation? we see that limitation presented, often. Not disputable shooting a gun as in your example is a technique and skill thats perfected by practicing the same motion repeatedly. Its not the same thing. Everything you bring up is stupid, doesnt make sense or is irrelevant. So...
Originally posted by Damborgson
Alberto stfu.

And accept that youre wrong.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Stay salty, keep throwing that nonsense about that feat at me and i'll keep dismantling it, fanboy.

Everyone here has dismantled you already, Mr. Salty

How about we BZ this

Originally posted by h1a8
Waste of post. Me and Pr stated two things had to be true first.
You argued a whole post as if we stated speed was the only factor.

We said both speed and reactions. If you can walk around and have a long conversation while casually unloosing your tie within the fraction of a nanosecond then you could have inserted at least several punches.

Do you believe it is possible to walk around casually while having a long conversation and while taking off your tie all within the fraction of a nanosecond and not be able to throw a punch within a nanosecond?

Originally posted by Diesldude
shooting a gun as in your example is a technique and skill thats perfected by practicing the same motion repeatedly. Its not the same thing. Everything you bring up is stupid, doesnt make sense or is irrelevant. So...

And accept that youre wrong.

I never discounted Superman's possibilities on the other end of advance feats, I only also pointed to the demonstrated limitations too, and in this instance, in the SAME very instance/one moment later, in the microscope of combat.
there is some MASSIVE difference between assembling rock pieces and fighting when it comes to Superman as per his REPEATEDLY demonstrated limitations, period

If one polarity matters to you more than the other, or, you don't care for the ratio of demonstrations, that's ENTIRELY your own prerogative. Its not neccessary that ANYBODY else believes it .

"It's not the same thing"

EXACTLY, that's THE point. It's not combat applicable, idk how many times i gotta tell you dudes that. That's not an opinion

Originally posted by h1a8
Where's your common sense? A punch is far less complex than searching space for the right moon piece, moving to the exact location, and placing it in its correct spot. You could have thrown multiple punches by then.

Requires for combat speed
1. Move very fast from a stand still
2. Perceive and react in very small increments of time

That's part of it. But it's also more complex than that. Have you had many fights? (prob not)
If you did, then you know about adrenaline spikes and dumps, breathing, experience, training, agility, flexibility and mind-state all being a part of combat. It's probably even more complex than that but this is enough at the moment to make my point. There's more to combat than sheer speed, or even sheer reflex.They HELP, but physical ability alone doesn't make a good fighter capable of capitalizing on those physical aspects.

I don't know where the disconnect is between Superman's Flash-like speed feats and his poorer and more abundant combat performances not demonstrating that, but there's some disconnect as far as I can tell t's possible it's a character induced flaw on Clark's part, but, then you have to account for MULTIPLE TIMES where Superman has been demonstrated as possessed, mind controlled, or unleashed with some degree of bad intentions and not all of them being comparable to Hush, where, he still gets caught or dodged or some such in close quarters combat.
Even Clark in character, WAS being unable to catch a bunch of bullets before they hit their targets. I can't tell it's an low speed for Clark or if, again, there's some sort of disconnect with him the second a situation involves living beings and combative elements.


I need to appeal to something akin to Occam's razor until something else changes my mind.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
That's part of it. But it's also more complex than that. Have you had many fights? (prob not)
If you did, then you know about adrenaline spikes and dumps, breathing, experience, training, agility, flexibility and mind-state all being a part of combat. It's probably even more complex than that but this is enough at the moment to make my point. There's more to combat than sheer speed, or even sheer reflex.They HELP, but physical ability alone doesn't make a good fighter capable of capitalizing on those physical aspects.

I don't know where the disconnect is between Superman's Flash-like speed feats and his poorer and more abundant combat performances not demonstrating that, but there's some disconnect as far as I can tell t's possible it's a character induced flaw on Clark's part, but, then you have to account for MULTIPLE TIMES where Superman has been demonstrated as possessed, mind controlled, or unleashed with some degree of bad intentions and not all of them being comparable to Hush, where, he still gets caught or dodged or some such in close quarters combat.
Even Clark in character, WAS being unable to catch a bunch of bullets before they hit their targets. I can't tell it's an low speed for Clark or if, again, there's some sort of disconnect with him the second a situation involves living beings and combative elements.


I need to appeal to something akin to Occam's razor until something else changes my mind.
We use full capacity here.


Fighting is just flying up to someone and throwing a single punch against a statue. What's complex about that? If you can perform many complex tasks in a particular interval of time then you can easily insert a punch in that same interval.