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cyclops let's off his most powerful blast, and sustains it indefinitely. Can Wonder Woman walk through it ? Or does she get overwhelmed first?


She starts off 1km away.

She needs to walk through it, no super speed, no bracers, etc.

He can sustain it indefinitely, huh?

That could be a problem, but she's still fast and powerful enough to wade through it, if we consider her high showings.

Wait. She can't fly?

I don't think she can. She could sustain it, sure. But, to walk the full 1k through it? Man, good thread Damborgson.

I don't think she can walk through it.

Nonsense. Logan walked it. Thor has walked Havok and SW as well as tanked the two brothers. Pretty sure others have as well.

Logan has walked through one KM of Cyclops' blasts?

Yeah but Havok can't sustain his blasts for long.

Havok is immune to his brothers energy powers, and vice versa, but I may be comprehending Shadowfyre's statement. If so, sorry. I don't see her doing it.

I think he's saying Thor has walked through the Summers brothers

1 KM though? Doesn't his beams do piercing damage as well as concussive damage?

Don't know about the 1km - Cyke has never shown that range and power.

Can Cyke shoot anything a mile away? Genuinely asking.

Logan has been able to walk through 30 or so feet and stab Cyke, so no reason someone infinitely stronger than him, who is capable of moving planetoid level weight, is gonna be unable to keep moving due to Cyclops "get off my lawn" that cleared a couple acres of trees.

You're forgetting that...

1) Wolverine had his Horseman armor,

2) he studied Cyclops and is aware of the nature and weaknesses of his optic blasts,

3) he heals f*cking fast, Diana doesn't,

4) adamantium, while not vibranium, is known to absorb some of the concussive force,

5) Cyclops still had his visor and was limited, unlike in this thread.

Cyclops has decent range on his blasts, yes:

https://i.ibb.co/sQL7cyM/Range.jpg

That said, I think Diana can wade through it. Cyclops just doesn't have the kind of power showings I would argue he should. I'm not saying he should be able to pulverise WW either; just that he's not shown himself anywhere close to it.

She can't use her bracers or flight here, Pr.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Cyclops has decent range on his blasts, yes:

https://i.ibb.co/sQL7cyM/Range.jpg

That said, I think Diana can wade through it. Cyclops just doesn't have the kind of power showings I would argue he should. I'm not saying he should be able to pulverise WW either; just that he's not shown himself anywhere close to it.

he's also shot missles/airplanes out the sky....range isnt an issue

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
She can't use her bracers or flight here, Pr.

I am aware of that. I still think she can do it. I'm sure the argument can be made that it won't be easy, but it's blunt-force trauma. All jokes aside, Diana can take a hell of a beating.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
he's also shot missles/airplanes out the sky....range isnt an issue

Yup

Originally posted by -Pr-
I am aware of that. I still think she can do it. I'm sure the argument can be made that it won't be easy, but it's blunt-force trauma. All jokes aside, Diana can take a hell of a beating.

Sometimes, she can.

Sometimes, she's vulnerable to skilled peak humans or low metas.

She has no speed here, either. Peak human speed, 1km distance? Ouch.

But yeah, even lesser incarnations of the Hulk have walked through Cyke's blasts...

Then again, 1) he's going all out here, no visor... 2) he can sustain it indefinitely, which is also very important.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Sometimes, she can.

Sometimes, she's vulnerable to skilled peak humans or low metas.

She has no speed here, either. Peak human speed, 1km distance? Ouch.

But yeah, even lesser incarnations of the Hulk have walked through Cyke's blasts...

Then again, 1) he's going all out here, no visor... 2) he can sustain it indefinitely, which is also very important.

If we go by averages, or at least what I think her average is, she should be able to wade through it. Not a walk in the park, but I don't see him stopping her with much success at all.

Cyclops just doesn't have enough power showings for me. As long as she can dig her feet in, she should be fine.

Originally posted by ShadowFyre
Nonsense. Logan walked it. Thor has walked Havok and SW as well as tanked the two brothers. Pretty sure others have as well.
The problem with that showing is that Havok and Wanda stated they were drained and exhausted, with Havok also being concussed. They still knocked Thor around at the beginning though. Wanda was also holding back going by her statements, which I guess was verified when she blasted Thor away from the fight.

Not to downplay Thor being mindcontrolled through all of it, but she's always got an ass-pull with the chaos energy thing I suppose.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Cyclops has decent range on his blasts, yes:

https://i.ibb.co/sQL7cyM/Range.jpg



The GOML blast was visually impressive because Cassaday is a good artist. It isn't indicative of Cyclop's full range though.

She walks through it. The only way she doesn't is if you use her lowest showings to determine her base stats.

What feats suggest that she walks through it?

Namor was dehydrated and exhausted here. This is just a piece of the showing but he brushed through Cyclops blast and no, Cyclops wasn't holding back. Ends thread...

https://m.imgur.com/NNQlMh6

Originally posted by carver9
Namor was dehydrated and exhausted here. This is just a piece of the showing but he brushed through Cyclops blast and no, Cyclops wasn't holding back. Ends thread...

https://m.imgur.com/NNQlMh6

That doesn't look like 1km

Hasn't WW survived like a black hole? Or the event horizon or something...I can't see Scott putting anywhere near city level destructive power let alone enough to put down Diana.

Interesting thread..1 km is pretty far.

Yeah. And Cyke won't run out of power.

Has he ever? Always thought it was a stamina thing

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Has he ever? Always thought it was a stamina thing

It generally is portrayed as such, yes. We just have to take the OP in to consideration is all.

The handbooks used to also say that the closer you were to Cyclops when he fired, the more powerful his blast was too. Even if we assume that his range is longer than was intended back in the day, that doesn't remove the possibility that at point blank range there's much more power to deal with.

If you locked Cyke up in the indestructible underground dungeon - with no exit - let's say for months - wouldn't Scott "lose" his mutant ability?

He *does* need to absorb the sunlight in order to keep his mutant power working.

X-Men TAS (Morlocks episodes) says hello.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
If you locked Cyke up in the indestructible underground dungeon - with no exit - let's say for months - wouldn't Scott "lose" his mutant ability?

He *does* need to absorb the sunlight in order to keep his mutant power working.

X-Men TAS (Morlocks episodes) says hello.

Comics are a bit wonky on it, but handbooks say yes, he needs sunlight to have optic energy of any real potency.

Here's the pages I was most easily able to reference:

https://i.ibb.co/vhZyD4L/The-Official-Handbook-of-the-Marvel-Universe-v2-Deluxe-Edition-03-Cloak-to-Doctor-Octopus-27.jpg https://i.ibb.co/vLJDrBp/The-Official-Handbook-of-the-Marvel-Universe-v2-Deluxe-Edition-03-Cloak-to-Doctor-Octopus-28.jpg

I'd have to check some newer handbooks, but I doubt I'll see anything that contradictory outside of the whole punch energy thing.

Edit: New handbook:

https://i.ibb.co/92HYjH7/Page008.jpg

"Ambient energy" is vague as hell.

Yeah, I'm familiar with handbooks.

But has a scene similar to the one from X-Men TAS happened in comics?

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW


Yeah, I'm familiar with handbooks.

But has a scene similar to the one from X-Men TAS happened in comics?

Oh right, sorry.

Nothing in recent years comes to mind. A Morlock-esque "trapped underground for ages" thing didn't happen that I recall, but a "cut off from the sun" type thing? That has, in X-Men Annual #3, for which, apparently, no HD scan exists.

https://i.ibb.co/hL5n6XS/X-MENANN003-20b.jpg

I'm sure you've seen the numerous "ugh, I used too many optic blasts and now I need to recharge" moments too.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Oh right, sorry.

Nothing in recent years comes to mind. A Morlock-esque "trapped underground for ages" thing didn't happen that I recall, but a "cut off from the sun" type thing? That has, in X-Men Annual #3, for which, apparently, no HD scan exists.

https://i.ibb.co/hL5n6XS/X-MENANN003-20b.jpg

Thanks

And just to be an ass (you know I can't help it), no, you're wrong, HD scans of old annuals exist:

https://i.ibb.co/b2gsLWK/cyclops.jpg

Originally posted by -Pr-
I'm sure you've seen the numerous "ugh, I used too many optic blasts and now I need to recharge" moments too.

Yeah, but many of those could be chalked up to the stamina thing, as Sin pointed out.

Anyway, in *this* thread, he is able to sustain the blast indefinitely, which means he's not having to worry about it regardless of how his powers work.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Thanks

And just to be an ass (you know I can't help it), no, you're wrong, HD scans of old annuals exist:

https://i.ibb.co/b2gsLWK/cyclops.jpg



Yeah, but many of those could be chalked up to the stamina thing, as Sin pointed out.

Anyway, in *this* thread, he is able to sustain the blast indefinitely, which means he's not having to worry about it regardless of how his powers work.

Yeah, the stamina thing helps.

I just don't think it'll affect the thread outcome too much. Say what you will about her piercing durability, but Diana has taken blunt hits from some of the best, and that skews her average pretty highly I would think.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Diana has taken blunt hits from some of the best

https://i.ibb.co/CKgrZnx/ww1.png

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Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
https://i.ibb.co/CKgrZnx/ww1.png

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You ****ing know Deathstroke doesn't count. How dare you.

I'd say she can but I can be convinced otherwise.

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Cyke is lacking high showings, that's the main problem here.

Even Pr seems to agree on that.

Originally posted by -Pr-
You ****ing know Deathstroke doesn't count. How dare you.

Diana's a magical being made out of f*cking clay under some writers, her durability is not meant to make any sense.

We cannot be sure how she would react to Summers' optic blast... but since it's intended to be purely concussive energy, it should basically be treated as a continuous wave of superhuman punches... and yeah, most of the time, Diana does well against those.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
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Cyke is lacking high showings, that's the main problem here. He's not the only one, lol.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
^

Cyke is lacking high showings, that's the main problem here.

Even Pr seems to agree on that.



Diana's a magical being made out of f*cking clay under some writers, her durability is not meant to make any sense.

We cannot be sure how she would react to Summers' optic blast... but since it's intended to be purely concussive energy, it should basically be treated as a continuous wave of superhuman punches... and yeah, most of the time, Diana does well against those.

Yeah, that's why I was siding with her.

We really need a comic or two where he knocks the likes of Thing and Namor the **** out.

Stilt, hasn't Cyclops blast been STATED to be able to shatter adamantium?

https://i.ibb.co/p4cc6Q9/PZUZFuO.jpg

Hasn't it been STATED to rip a planet in half?

https://i.ibb.co/bmnHjmk/hoCgHym.jpg

Who needs feats, since when do statements not work on KMC, am I right?

shifty

I think he kills her. He can get really nasty with his optic blasts when he's not holding back :
https://i.postimg.cc/DzDBksnV/1107704-659566-xf030a6pi-super.jpg
Blob has taken some crazy punishment but Cyke just blasted through him. If that was his skull, he'd be dead.

If the OP allowed it, then yeah, that would be the better option.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Cyclops should be able to hurt, or at least knock down, any low to mid-herald brick imo.

If someone like Namor is gonna wade through it, then it needs to be difficult.

Namor is a real powerhouse with the power of flight (unlike Diana here) and he was close to Cyclops, too.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW


Sure, he's gotten some lip service.

Small planet... probably the same one that Herc and Thor were about to knock out of orbit



Yeah. A condensed, tiny beam is different than GOML.

Then again --- perhaps a condensed one is what Dambo meant by "most powerful"

Ha.

The problem here is that Diana is trying to wade through it, not take it like a bullet and go down faster than is at all respectable.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Namor is a real powerhouse with the power of flight (unlike Diana here) and he was close to Cyclops, too.

That's why I said should. As in, if he was written better, or at least, my idea of better.

Not should as in, would be likely given his feats or lack thereof.

Cyke also knocked out X4 Logan, held by Thing, with a continuous blast.

Of course, same as X4 Emma, he wasn't in his right mind because of the incredible pain caused by the cosmic rays reacting with the x-gene.

But I'd still consider those two some of his better showings.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Cyke also knocked out X4 Logan, held by Thing, with a continuous blast.

Of course, same as X4 Emma, he wasn't in his right mind because of the incredible pain caused by the cosmic rays reacting with the x-gene.

But I'd still consider those two some of his better showings.

Wait, I think I misunderstood. What's X4 Logan? I've been trying to catch up with all the comics since they started up again, but I might have missed some.

X-Men/Fantastic Four mini from 2005.

Emma had her diamond form and The Thing's powers.

Logan got Richards' powerset.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
X-Men/Fantastic Four mini from 2005.

Emma had her diamond form and The Thing's powers.

Logan got Richards' powerset.

Oh that one. With the funky art. I barely remember that one at all.

I checked and yeah, not bad, though the prevailing thought back then, it seemed, was that Emma was reflective enough that Scott's blasts really didn't do much to her. A concentrated blast to the head is nice though, I suppose.

The Logan one is interesting though. Reed had stated his elasticity protected him from Cyclops for the most part, but then he was able to knock Logan out, still.

Hey, comics are inconsistent. Also, water is wet. Guess you could argue that having her powers mixed with Grimm's caused her not to reflect blasts anymore.

Reed was hurt by a single beam which was meant to KO Kurt.

Logan had to take a continuous blast for three panels while grappling with Grimm, so he couldn't roll with it or whatever.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Hey, comics are inconsistent. Also, water is wet. Guess you could argue that having her powers mixed with Grimm's caused her not to reflect blasts anymore.

Reed was hurt by a single beam which was meant to KO Kurt.

Logan had to take a continuous blast for three panels while grappling with Grimm, so he couldn't roll with it or whatever.

I suppose. I can't really argue with it anyway, as that would be counter-intuitive. The more feats Cyclops has, the better.

It's the only mini I can think of right now that has several good power showings for his beam.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
It's the only mini I can think of right now that has several good power showings for his beam.

Yeah, same, though I'm sure I'm forgetting somethign as it's been a long time since I even looked at the Cyclops respect thread.

Breaking Onslaught's armor:

https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/9/97919/4316112-681123-bigopticblastdg4.jpg

Removing Colossusnaut's helmet with a single blast:

https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/10/104794/2108981-letter_10.jpeg

Overloading Bishop:

https://i.imgur.com/d4TXI5A.jpg


I'm sure there are more.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Breaking Onslaught's armor:

https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/9/97919/4316112-681123-bigopticblastdg4.jpg

Removing Colossusnaut's helmet with a single blast:

https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/10/104794/2108981-letter_10.jpeg

Overloading Bishop:

https://i.imgur.com/d4TXI5A.jpg


I'm sure there are more.

Yeah, those are some of the big ones. I even had the onslaught one as a sig for a while.

I also like the "practically atomising Sinister" feat. The pool table feat is nice (though is more precision than power obviously). Stunning Colossus during the "X-Men think he's the Phoenix and try to murder him" issue. The one where he "stored up" the blast to use it against the lead around his mask was nice too, even if it doesn't fit in as well.

The numerous sentinel feats are good too.