Thor vs Byrne Superman : Pure strength comparison

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abhilegend
By Byrne Superman I mean Pre DOS Superman. Let's see who is stronger by pure strength feats. No scaling, no outside help. Just lifting/pushing/striking.

DarkSaint85
Is discussion allowed?

CosmicComet
Is Newjak allowed to derail and drone about your intentions and character and the 'nature' of this thread?

abhilegend
Yes, discussion is allowed. I won't delete posts.

CosmicComet
The Chad Abhi.

BrolyBlack
Originally posted by CosmicComet
Is Newjak allowed to derail and drone about your intentions and character and the 'nature' of this thread?

laughing out loud

abhilegend
I'm starting, Superman picks up a living mountain which was going to crush Metropolis (425 Sq miles in area) in a single step.

https://i.postimg.cc/DW49sTCC/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/Vry3WVpz/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/Zv421yJg/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/ThxPR718/image.jpg

Superman picks up a mountain and closes one of the three continental fissures on planet Almerac.

https://i.postimg.cc/BX7sKs5F/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/Bj835yNV/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/d7rKpybR/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/cgWNSJWp/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/RqMzpqXf/image.jpg

Galan007
The fissure showing will never stop impressing me.

That goes for ALL the characters involved.

Newjak
Originally posted by CosmicComet
Is Newjak allowed to derail and drone about your intentions and character and the 'nature' of this thread? I see you guys just can't stop talking about me lol

It's cute

abhilegend
Originally posted by Galan007
The fissure showing will never stop impressing me.

That goes for ALL the characters involved.

thumb up

lawest9
Originally posted by abhilegend
I'm starting, Superman picks up a living mountain which was going to crush Metropolis (425 Sq miles in area) in a single step.

https://i.postimg.cc/DW49sTCC/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/Vry3WVpz/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/Zv421yJg/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/ThxPR718/image.jpg

Superman picks up a mountain and closes one of the three continental fissures on planet Almerac.

https://i.postimg.cc/BX7sKs5F/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/Bj835yNV/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/d7rKpybR/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/cgWNSJWp/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/RqMzpqXf/image.jpg Thanks for those posts Abhi, upon the debut of Byrne's Superman he was one of the weakest versions of Supes outside of the Golden age 1938 Supes, and to see what he still did here puts him on a level above most of those in his "class".

qwertyuiop1998
Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman picks up a mountain and closes one of the three continental fissures on planet Almerac.

https://i.postimg.cc/BX7sKs5F/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/Bj835yNV/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/d7rKpybR/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/cgWNSJWp/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/RqMzpqXf/image.jpg And Superman doing it while weakened IIRC

Galan007
Maxima definitely was, if that's what you're asking. vin

abhilegend
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
And Superman doing it while weakened IIRC Originally posted by Galan007
Maxima definitely was, if that's what you're asking. vin
Both Superman and Maxima were weakened.

abhilegend
Mind you, this is just from publication date. If I start posting flashback its gonna be even worse.

deft
Post the flashback Abhi, please.

DeadpoolXXX
i wanted abhi's new avatar and sig to be of byrne era superman. this is disappointing.

carver9
You should also add fts without the aid of flight

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes, discussion is allowed. I won't delete posts.

laughing out loud

Thank you, almighty. Good to know there still are some decent beings on this site.


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So, Supes gets all of his feats from the beginning of Post-Crisis era to Pre-DoS crossover story arc?

He gets like 6-7 years of feats, yes? 1985 - 1992?

Damborgson
This is when Superman had that form of tactile telekinesis that let him move things easier while flying right?

carver9
Originally posted by Damborgson
This is when Superman had that form of tactile telekinesis that let him move things easier while flying right?

I'll leave this here...

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/14/141134/5039976-5318972797-50399.png

And I hope its the size of the Chattahoochee river when I post it.

-Pr-
Yes, it's the John Byrne version. We been knew dis, Carver.

carver9
Originally posted by -Pr-
Yes, it's the John Byrne version. We been knew dis, Carver.

What about this?

https://static4.comicvine.com/uploads/original/14/141134/5209001-5638586969-33505.jpg

-Pr-
What about it?

Damborgson
Originally posted by carver9
I'll leave this here...

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/14/141134/5039976-5318972797-50399.png

And I hope its the size of the Chattahoochee river when I post it.

Then how is this a "strength" feat per say ?

abhilegend
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
laughing out loud

Thank you, almighty. Good to know there still are some decent beings on this site.


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So, Supes gets all of his feats from the beginning of Post-Crisis era to Pre-DoS crossover story arc?

He gets like 6-7 years of feats, yes? 1985 - 1992?
Yes.

abhilegend
Originally posted by Damborgson
Then how is this a "strength" feat per say ?
Because both times he lifted the mountain standing on the ground.

abhilegend
Originally posted by deft
Post the flashback Abhi, please.
Stands up in the simulation of gravity of a giant black hole.

https://i.postimg.cc/FfwgCXDf/RCO017.jpg

Throws a magical object into another solar system.

https://i.postimg.cc/njbZFM3n/image.jpg

Damborgson
Originally posted by abhilegend
Because both times he lifted the mountain standing on the ground.

Sure, but his feats then become, Superman momentarily lifts mountain over head.

Way different than intended.

abhilegend
Originally posted by Damborgson
Sure, but his feats then become, Superman momentarily lifts mountain over head.

Way different than intended.
Momentarily lifts mountain? Did he drop it?

Damborgson
He went into the air with it. Which changes the feat given that he says it becomes nearly weightless to him when he flies.

abhilegend
TBH it was only Byrne who did that. Later on Superman used his super strength to lift things, not force of will.

And it certainly didn't made everything near weightless.

BrolyBlack

Damborgson
Originally posted by abhilegend
TBH it was only Byrne who did that. Later on Superman used his super strength to lift things, not force of will.

And it certainly didn't made everything near weightless.


Well yeah, but that's the age of Superman we're discussing. I'm glad that's not the case anymore though.

And I'm sure not everything was near weightless, but Superman did say it became easier to lift as he flew with it, which muddles feats tremendously.

abhilegend
Originally posted by Damborgson
Well yeah, but that's the age of Superman we're discussing. I'm glad that's not the case anymore though.

And I'm sure not everything was near weightless, but Superman did say it became easier to lift as he flew with it, which muddles feats tremendously.

Byrne only stuck for one year. The rest of the writers never followed up on "force of will" part.

Only under Byrne. Later writers had Superman lift things with superstrength only.

This is.

https://i.postimg.cc/xc9Sscxz/image.jpg

Identical to this.

https://i.postimg.cc/DWr9dhrg/3513482-thor-2001-035-28.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/5HWcCyCy/3513490-thor-2001-035-30.jpg

Damborgson
Originally posted by abhilegend
Byrne only stuck for one year. The rest of the writers never followed up on "force of will" part.

Only under Byrne. Later writers had Superman lift things with superstrength only.

This is.

https://i.postimg.cc/xc9Sscxz/image.jpg

Identical to this.

https://i.postimg.cc/DWr9dhrg/3513482-thor-2001-035-28.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/5HWcCyCy/3513490-thor-2001-035-30.jpg


That seems fair to me. It was stupid anyway.


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Anyways:


Originally posted by celeyhyga17

http://i.imgur.com/i2eYRffm.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/PPf0Ovlm.jpg


Thor just straight stops an airliner, no need to worry about breaking it apart.

abhilegend
You think stopping airliners is difficult?

Superman moves a giant spaceship (600 miles long) towing Earth and Moon (whose mass is disputed to be nullified).

http://imgur.com/a/IGcHb

carver9
Originally posted by abhilegend
You think stopping airliners is difficult?

Superman moves a giant spaceship (600 miles long) towing Earth and Moon (whose mass is disputed to be nullified).

http://imgur.com/a/IGcHb

Major context with this ft. MAJOR CONTEXT.

abhilegend
Uh-huh. Let's see what you think it is. I don't claim he pushed Earth or Moon. Just the spaceship.

Diesldude
Originally posted by abhilegend
You think stopping airliners is difficult?

Superman moves a giant spaceship (600 miles long) towing Earth and Moon (whose mass is disputed to be nullified).

http://imgur.com/a/IGcHb

Hey was the ship flying on it's own? if it was, then why did superman have to push it?

if hes pushing the ship, he's practically the engine and is towing the earth, moon and the ship.

Like a tugboat that broke down towing another boat. A new tugboat comes in, tows the broke down tugboat and the other boat connected to that broke down tugboat.

abhilegend
Originally posted by Diesldude
Hey was the ship flying on it's own? if it was, then why did superman have to push it?

if hes pushing the ship, he's practically the engine and is towing the earth, moon and the ship.

Like a tugboat that broke down towing another boat. A new tugboat comes in, tows the broke down tugboat and the other boat connected to that broke down tugboat.
No, the ship was without fuel.

Its argued that the mass of Earth and Moon was negated.

Diesldude

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes.

I see.

And Thor, Thor gets everything?

August 1962 - August 2020?

58 years in total?

DarkSaint85
All his Silver Age stuff, Vs a more 'grounded' Superman?

This should be interesting.

Damborgson
Originally posted by abhilegend
You think stopping airliners is difficult?

Superman moves a giant spaceship (600 miles long) towing Earth and Moon (whose mass is disputed to be nullified).

http://imgur.com/a/IGcHb


No, just one upping that particular plane scan lol.


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Thor keeps a moon (small planet) together before it breaks apart and seals it with lightning.


https://i.imgur.com/G6oHM7y.jpg

abhilegend

MrMind
I love how they showed phoenix is comparable in power to raven's soul self in this crossover

abhilegend
Superman throws a ship bigger than aircraft carriers clear out of Earth's gravity.

https://i.postimg.cc/3NM3CD91/image.jpg

Hal and Guy are only providing energy to ship's batteries.

abhilegend
Bump.

Celey? Dambo?

Philosophía
Superman, certainly when it comes to barehand.

Or, do you also include Mjolnir strikes?

abhilegend
Bare hands

Philosophía
thumb up

Then, yeah, clearly.

Delta1938
Bump.

lawest9
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Is discussion allowed? 😄😄😄

Delta1938
I was thinking on comparing examples of the most similar situations I can think of between these two and these came to mind.

One of the feats I remember people touting as one of Thor's best was the weapon that created a "gravimetric attraction akin to a neutron star."

https://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/ThorStrength25.jpg


And Abhi posted Superman getting up in a "localized gravity well" that simulates a black hole.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Stands up in the simulation of gravity of a giant black hole.

https://i.postimg.cc/FfwgCXDf/RCO017.jpg

Though I find more to question with Thor's case, let's assume they're effectively like being in a neutron star and inside a black hole.

Solar mass is the mass of our Sun.

https://astronomy.swin.edu.au/cosmos/S/Solar+Mass

Neutron stars have a mass of 1.3 to 2.5 solar masses.

https://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/GLAST/science/neutron_stars.html

Stellar Mass black holes range from 4 stellar masses to 100.

https://astronomy.swin.edu.au/cosmos/B/Black+Hole

But the scans say it's the equivalent of being in "a big one" of a black hole. Which could be the larger end of Stellar Mass black holes. Or, it could be the larger ones.

This gives intermediate black holes in the hundreds to thousands of solar masses and supermasive black holes in the millions to billions of sollar mass range.

https://skyandtelescope.org/astronomy-resources/how-big-is-a-black-hole/

Well going by this being the equivalent of being in "a big one" for black holes, I think it would be a lowball to even go with.the high end for stellar mass black holes. But even going there and the maximum for neutron stars, Superman's feat is of something the equivalent of 40 times larger.

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