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The battle for Alicia, Surfer cannot use his speed/board in this fight or the power cosmic at all and cannot use it to further amp his strength and durability, can only use his natural strength and durability , they in character until one is ko'ed or incapacitated. Who wins?

Huh? How strong is the Surfer under these stips? Any examples?

Originally posted by Stoic
Huh? How strong is the Surfer under these stips? Any examples? The strength that comes with his physicality only without the pc amp, in past decades in his battle with Ben he has been presented as less or equally as strong, on planet Hulk he was at one point dominating Hulk and the warbound physically without access to his pc.

I guess that it depends on the writer. Planet Hulk Surfer would likely toy with Ben. Then again, the Hulk was still weakened by his exposure to the wormhole that brought him to Sakaar so attempting to define his strength levels is a bit murky. In my opinion, Ben is giving up a lot of weight in terms of strength. Look at how easily the Surfer dealt with the Rhino in the past.

Originally posted by Stoic
I guess that it depends on the writer. Planet Hulk Surfer would likely toy with Ben. Then again, the Hulk was still weakened by his exposure to the wormhole that brought him to Sakaar so attempting to define his strength levels is a bit murky. In my opinion, Ben is giving up a lot of weight in terms of strength. Look at how easily the Surfer dealt with the Rhino in the past. I think the Rhino battle surfers strength was still backed up with the pc, thing about is that for several decades now Marvel has been saying that surfers strength matches an enraged Hulk when amp by the power cosmic, but many writers have made his normal range of strength very very VAGUE over the years, in the early years Ben have been portrayed has either his match or his superior, even Spider-man once put SS on his back with a punch.

Back when Surfer was trapped and weakened on Earth, Thing was definitely portrayed as being his superior in strength. Since then it's ultimately anyone's guess whether or not he's amping his strength with with PC IMO. Most people assume amping when all or part of him is glowing(like when he stopped Rhino with a glowing hand), but when you get right down to that's not a hard rule and I can totally see how some writers/artist might consider his amping a natural assumption and treat things as if he's amping even without a visible glow. Honestly, I think some of his best feats were preformed without a glow in fact. Off the top of my head, I don't think anything was glowing when he threw that spaceship however many lightyears it was or when he one arm chucked Cosmic GR, BRB, and whoever else was present at escape velocity out off/away from a black hole by Frank's chain for instance.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Back when Surfer was trapped and weakened on Earth, Thing was definitely portrayed as being his superior in strength. Since then it's ultimately anyone's guess whether or not he's amping his strength with with PC IMO. Most people assume amping when all or part of him is glowing(like when he stopped Rhino with a glowing hand), but when you get right down to that's not a hard rule and I can totally see how some writers/artist might consider his amping a natural assumption and treat things as if he's amping even without a visible glow. Honestly, I think some of his best feats were preformed without a glow in fact. Off the top of my head, I don't think anything was glowing when he threw that spaceship however many lightyears it was or when he one arm chucked Cosmic GR, BRB, and whoever else was present at escape velocity out off/away from a black hole by Frank's chain for instance.

Surfer needed his "atomic strength" boost to fight Thing.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Back when Surfer was trapped and weakened on Earth, Thing was definitely portrayed as being his superior in strength. Since then it's ultimately anyone's guess whether or not he's amping his strength with with PC IMO. Most people assume amping when all or part of him is glowing(like when he stopped Rhino with a glowing hand), but when you get right down to that's not a hard rule and I can totally see how some writers/artist might consider his amping a natural assumption and treat things as if he's amping even without a visible glow. Honestly, I think some of his best feats were preformed without a glow in fact. Off the top of my head, I don't think anything was glowing when he threw that spaceship however many lightyears it was or when he one arm chucked Cosmic GR, BRB, and whoever else was present at escape velocity out off/away from a black hole by Frank's chain for instance.
Ben has always been stronger than Surfer. And amping the strength hasn't been a concept for Surfer since silver age.

If Surfer can't beat Thing without amping himself, then he might as well just lay down and die.

"High" herald my ass.

Originally posted by krisblaze
If Surfer can't beat Thing without amping himself, then he might as well just lay down and die.

"High" herald my ass.
https://i.postimg.cc/Z9NmPZj6/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/r0CLbJBm/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/Z04mNGNy/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/xq5236Gp/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/D8zKj1Bv/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/56kWZjRw/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/jwTpzfDr/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/xJPWgdmN/image.jpg

Surfer looked decidedly weaker than Ben there, unable to break his hold and has to use energy blasts.

Jesus christ

Originally posted by lawest9
The battle for Alicia, Surfer cannot use his speed/board in this fight or the power cosmic at all and cannot use it to further amp his strength and durability, can only use his natural strength and durability , they in character until one is ko'ed or incapacitated. Who wins?

This is a weird stipulation

His powers come directly from his PC, removing his access to the PC basically makes him just norrin-rad.....every strength feat he has used the PC. There's no such thing as "amping", it's just him simply using either more or less of his PC as the case requires


When he used his "atomic strength" against thing, it was still noted by the FF that he was only using a fraction of the PC, and he was already weakend there to boot.

Against the war bound and green scar, his access to the PC was restricted, but still enough to physically dominate them

His natural strength without the PC....is his strength without having been the herald of Galactus



Saying "natural strength without the PC amp" is the same as saying Hulk's natural strength without turning to hulk

Originally posted by krisblaze
If Surfer can't beat Thing without amping himself, then he might as well just lay down and die.

"High" herald my ass.

Surfer casually oneshotted thing when he tried beating some Sense into him during the zenn-la Incursion

https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/scale_super/11122/111224497/6802979-4.jpg


When that didn't work, he then tried to talk him out of it (which were the scans abhi happily posted while trying to claim surfer was weaker) which eventually worked

Originally posted by Genii96
Surfer casually oneshotted thing when he tried beating some Sense into him during the zenn-la Incursion

https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/scale_super/11122/111224497/6802979-4.jpg


When that didn't work, he then tried to talk him out of it (which were the scans abhi happily posted while trying to claim surfer was weaker) which eventually worked
Talk it out?

https://i.postimg.cc/Gp7pCmyg/image.jpg

"Have to end it quickly"

https://i.postimg.cc/xCBTXpgK/image.jpg

"Forgive me old friend".

You surfer fans are pretty funny.

Originally posted by krisblaze
Jesus christ

Why are you surprised, Norwegian dolt? haw-som

Ben has a history of anally raping Norrin and Thor in melee combat. The latter was getting smashed and buried alive and had to be saved by his on-again, off-again gf.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Back when Surfer was trapped and weakened on Earth, Thing was definitely portrayed as being his superior in strength. Since then it's ultimately anyone's guess whether or not he's amping his strength with with PC IMO. Most people assume amping when all or part of him is glowing(like when he stopped Rhino with a glowing hand), but when you get right down to that's not a hard rule and I can totally see how some writers/artist might consider his amping a natural assumption and treat things as if he's amping even without a visible glow. Honestly, I think some of his best feats were preformed without a glow in fact. Off the top of my head, I don't think anything was glowing when he threw that spaceship however many lightyears it was or when he one arm chucked Cosmic GR, BRB, and whoever else was present at escape velocity out off/away from a black hole by Frank's chain for instance.

Awesome! You know what issues he threw the spaceship and chucked GR?

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Why are you surprised, Norwegian dolt? haw-som

Ben has a history of anally raping Norrin and Thor in melee combat. The latter was getting smashed and buried alive and had to be saved by his on-again, off-again gf.

Ben raping Thor? Really? And a history of it (many times)?
Scans issues?

In Thor's own book, too.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Talk it out?

https://i.postimg.cc/Gp7pCmyg/image.jpg



Good scan of Surfer mentally commanding his board there

Poor Goober is rolling in his grave... with Celey knotted inside him.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW




Poor Goober is rolling in his grave... with Celey knotted inside him.
U called?


Norrin wins.

Btw wasnt Thing upgraded here into some warped sense of perfection? Iirc he was changed by Shalla Bal.

Anyways this version was already oneshotted and he couldnt really do anything against Surfer in second go around. And pretty sure Surf was holding back for the most part.

Yes,Thing was obviously hyper hyperlight here.

Hyperlight viruses <ego's antibodies< Surfer < Thing.

Y so salty?

Lol is that salty?

Looks like it.

If you say so

Goober's and Rage's dogs had sex.

That's how celey came to be.

celebrate

Originally posted by h1a8
Awesome! You know what issues he threw the spaceship and chucked GR?
I'm sketchy on exact issue numbers, but if no one else has posted them later on I'll see if I can track down the specifics. The blackhole thing happened in the issue that lead into the Surfer Black series, but the spaceship thing happened a while back.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Surfer looked decidedly weaker than Ben there, unable to break his hold and has to use energy blasts. :* abhi

https://i.ibb.co/q7wfNkH/RCO004.jpghttps://i.ibb.co/jGNq2bX/RCO005.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/zPTYC8c/RCO006.jpg

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
In Thor's own book, too.

So no issue numbers or scans?

The problem in answering the question of this thread that I created is that writers have always been very vague about SS strength level over the years, in the Lee / Buscema run in the 60's he has defeated the Abomination with fisticuffs alone, tanked a double fisted punch from Savage Hulk, and though stunned by it came right back and rendered him unconscious with a cosmic bolt, physically restrained savage Hulk in an issue of Defenders.

While on the other hand he has been knocked on his backside by a punch from Spiderman, easily tossed around literally by a group of 3rd rate inhumans and knocked unconscious in a collision against Iron Man in one of his weaker armors.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Why are you surprised, Norwegian dolt? haw-som

Ben has a history of anally raping Norrin and Thor in melee combat. The latter was getting smashed and buried alive and had to be saved by his on-again, off-again gf. Originally posted by h1a8
Ben raping Thor? Really? And a history of it (many times)?
Scans issues?

Stilt has been jobless and malnourished for too long, clearly impacting his mental cognition lol.

Thor and Thing have had four fights, the one he mentioned, courtesy of ODG:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsThing04485.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsThing05.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsThing06.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsThing07.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsThing08.jpg

Thor was hitting him with "love-taps" and wasn't even fighting back. When he was, he knocked Ben senseless, and tossed him around.

In the other three: Thor was easily as strong if not more so, despite being depowered. Ben lost the other two times with the Hulk helping him. In the most recent? Thor was significantly weakened from a wound he received in the World Tree, and Ben was Angrir.

Originally posted by h1a8
So no issue numbers or scans?

The Mighty Thor #485.

https://i.ibb.co/5KhjW92/thorsucks.jpg

Who pays for all that destruction of property?

Originally posted by krisblaze
Who pays for all that destruction of property?



Seriously, though - Marvel has Damage Control.

What does DC have...?

Bruce

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Bruce 😆😆😆

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW


Seriously, though - Marvel has Damage Control.

Failberto, Hulkster, JBL and Carter finally organized?

Imagine coming back after a couple months again to mention my name. It must still hurt you everyday you're away from here knowing how completely inferior you are to me fanboy

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Imagine coming back after a couple months again to mention my name. It must still hurt you everyday you're away from here knowing how completely inferior you are to me fanboy

Why can't you decide whether you're going to ignore me, or show to be the actual stalker by keeping track? And someone is projecting hardcore.

You came back and randomly mentioned my name wondering If Ive PrOGReSsEd, Obviously that constant wreckage i gave you a couple months still stings you kid, Don't mention your superior again boy

Originally posted by Delta1938
Failberto, Hulkster, JBL and Carter finally organized?

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
You came back and randomly mentioned my name wondering If Ive PrOGReSsEd, Obviously that constant wreckage i gave you a couple months still stings you kid, Don't mention your superior again boy

Failberto, you don't even make sense, little girl.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Imagine coming back after a couple months again to mention my name. It must still hurt you everyday you're away from here knowing how completely inferior you are to me fanboy Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
You came back and randomly mentioned my name wondering If Ive PrOGReSsEd, Obviously that constant wreckage i gave you a couple months still stings you kid, Don't mention your superior again boy


How old are you again?