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Who can repeat this showing by Superman? List below

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1. Bullseye
2. Daredevil
3. Captain America
4. KingPin
5. Luke Cage
6. Colossus
7. Grey Hulk
8. Thor with Mjlonir
9. Sentry
10. Thanos

How far does he go without getting 2 pieced like Superman did above?

Do you believe Key was human level in his stats?

Never saw a breakdown so fast.

How did the Key pick up that Superman key? Wasn't it traditionally, half a million tons?

It was.

Originally posted by abhilegend
It was.

So, How the hell did Key, not a guy known to have super strength, lift it?

was superman depowered?

Originally posted by MrMind
was superman depowered? He was powerless actually. Gold Kryptonite shenanigans

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
So, How the hell did Key, not a guy known to have super strength, lift it?
He got superstrong. Ate his vegetables and took his vitamins.

Originally posted by abhilegend
He got superstrong. Ate his vegetables and took his vitamins.

the writer just wanted to tell this one-off and reached into a bag of DC villains and pulled out Key and ran with it
Spaceships and super strength? Thats NEVER been Key's bag. He's not even a Superman villain and never even once used super strength nor durability. In fact, he usually gets knocked out by regular ass humans without much effort, but let's ignore that eh?

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
So, How the hell did Key, not a guy known to have super strength, lift it?

Keynisis

duh

Abhi, Also I saw the word "dwarf" and wrongly assumed this was the weight of a dwarf star. Not even close. Mount Everest weight 113 trillion tons. This key is light enough that it wouldn't have a perceivable gravitational field. So, now we are back to: exactly WHAT about this feat speaks to Keys durability? Your scaling is wrong, period.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Abhi, Also I saw the word "dwarf" and wrongly assumed this was the weight of a dwarf star. Not even close. Mount Everest weight 113 trillion tons. This key is light enough that it wouldn't have a perceivable gravitational field. So, now we are back to: exactly WHAT about this feat speaks to Keys durability? Your scaling is wrong, period.

Honest question, what are you trying to get at?

So how did the Key left the golden Key? The Key is not superhuman. He isn't even notable in h2h. Batman has whopped his ass like fodder. I'd take the Joker over him in h2h. This is reinforced by Superman two-piecing him.

https://i.postimg.cc/ZBwJ2vC2/RCO020-1468805139.jpg

How is he lifting a 500k ton item? There was no context at all given? That's like Reed Richards bench-pressing a mountain out of nowhere. Very weird.

Whats the issue number of that comic ABHI posted? I feel there is context.

Originally posted by carver9
Whats the issue number of that comic ABHI posted? I feel there is context.

Superman: Man of Tomorrow #18

For reference the first scan is literally the first page of the comic. There’s actually no additional context in the issue for him to be able to do that

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
the writer just wanted to tell this one-off and reached into a bag of DC villains and pulled out Key and ran with it
Spaceships and super strength? Thats NEVER been Key's bag. He's not even a Superman villain and never even once used super strength nor durability. In fact, he usually gets knocked out by regular ass humans without much effort, but let's ignore that eh? Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Abhi, Also I saw the word "dwarf" and wrongly assumed this was the weight of a dwarf star. Not even close. Mount Everest weight 113 trillion tons. This key is light enough that it wouldn't have a perceivable gravitational field. So, now we are back to: exactly WHAT about this feat speaks to Keys durability? Your scaling is wrong, period.


So much whining. Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
So how did the Key left the golden Key? The Key is not superhuman. He isn't even notable in h2h. Batman has whopped his ass like fodder. I'd take the Joker over him in h2h. This is reinforced by Superman two-piecing him.

https://i.postimg.cc/ZBwJ2vC2/RCO020-1468805139.jpg

How is he lifting a 500k ton item? There was no context at all given? That's like Reed Richards bench-pressing a mountain out of nowhere. Very weird.
He did it. Like I said. Originally posted by abhilegend
He got superstrong. Ate his vegetables and took his vitamins.

Looks like it was tampered with.

https://i.postimg.cc/cHTfD7dy/17-F7-AED2-4-D50-4-D9-B-85-EB-66-EE8-F1-FFE31.jpg

Thank you Diesel dude

Abhi is hilarious

Also wasn't Superman( Who was exhausted at this point) tanked a shot from the key and had no visual damages?
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https://ibb.co/z7g1Xds
https://ibb.co/347djLh
I tending to the writer was using some golden era setting like Superman's physically stronger than normal humans due to Krypton's gravity
The comic never directly stated the key used some tech hacked Superman's key. Instead it depicted the key putting some efforts to lift Superman's key
https://postimg.cc/BP6gt4s2

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Also wasn't Superman( Who was exhausted at this point) tanked a shot from the key and had no visual damages?
https://ibb.co/BKKNTPp
https://ibb.co/z7g1Xds
https://ibb.co/347djLh
I tending to the writer was using some golden era setting like Superman's physically stronger than normal humans due to Krypton's gravity
The comic never directly stated the key used some tech hacked Superman's key. Instead it depicted the key putting some efforts to lift Superman's key
https://postimg.cc/BP6gt4s2

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Also wasn't Superman( Who was exhausted at this point) tanked a shot from the key and had no visual damages?
https://ibb.co/BKKNTPp
https://ibb.co/z7g1Xds
https://ibb.co/347djLh
I tending to the writer was using some golden era setting like Superman's physically stronger than normal humans due to Krypton's gravity

That could easily be a fight between the Punisher and Jigsaw*. Nothing about that indicates either them being superhuman. In fact, I'd argue it supports the opposite (From weapons to grappling guns etc.).

1) It's established continuity that the Key is human.
2) It's established continuity that Golden Kryptonite depowers Superman.
3) It's established continuity that the golden key is 500k tons.

The x-factor is how the Key was able to lift the golden key.

Adding an additional x-factor that was never implied (I.e. Superman is superhuman when depowered) seems very unnecessary and counter-intuitive to the plot of the story. Especially since the last page implies the Key did do some bullshit off-panel to the golden key.

*We've seen the Punisher brush this off:
https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/9/98479/1765577-punisher_1_015.jpg

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
That could easily be a fight between the Punisher and Jigsaw*. Nothing about that indicates either them being superhuman. In fact, I'd argue it supports the opposite (From weapons to grappling guns etc.).

1) It's established continuity that the Key is human.
2) It's established continuity that Golden Kryptonite depowers Superman.
3) It's established continuity that the golden key is 500k tons.

The x-factor is how the Key was able to lift the golden key.

Adding an additional x-factor that was never implied (I.e. Superman is superhuman when depowered) seems very unnecessary and counter-intuitive to the plot of the story. Especially since the last page implies the Key did do some bullshit off-panel to the golden key.

*We've seen the Punisher brush this off:
https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/9/98479/1765577-punisher_1_015.jpg
1 Punisher or other street characters are not involved here. I never mentioned them
2 My point about the scans that Superman tanked key's blast is he is far more stronger than ordinary people who will surely die from a gun shot, who can't dodge a heat vision from Superman, who can't tank a nuclear explosion in their faces. I.E, When I said normal humans I was referreing to people like ourselves in common sense
3 The main point of my post is he was indicating stronger than our humans. And how strong he is? He beats a guy who lifted a key that weights millions of tons.
4 The comic never gives any more addtional context about how did the key lift Superman's key aside from the first page.And you do realize that the implication you mentioned also can be argued right? The topic asking who can repeat this SPECIFIC feat within this SPECIFIC story. You can say this feat performed by the key is PIS but since the topic was asking this specific showing in this story so we takes what this story says

Superman confirmed vegan

If the Key was operating under normal comic book human stats, then they all could lift the Fortress key. This could also simply be a case of writers error. No biggie.

And if he wasn't, it's just a feat for Superman in his own book....also not a biggie.

Was there any indication that the Key was operating at superhuman levels? Has he ever operated at superhuman levels? Seems like writers error to me.

He lifted a key that weighed 500k tons. That's pretty superhuman to me.

I mean, he's never been shown to know where the Fortress is, but he does in this storyline.

It's just fiction. Batman can do it tomorrow if Snyder writes ir

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I think it's because it's unclear as to what this damage is?

Like if my friend takes my car and scratches it up.....that doesn't mean the car's performance is affected, or that it's suddenly much lighter. I'd still have to get it fixed though.

Or if he takes my key from its secret hidey place, and I have to fix it i.e. put it back..

It's just inconclusive, and to add anything beyond what the text writes is just trying to serve our own purposes.

I mean, I could posit the theory that the Key in Rebirth has.....power over keys or some metaphysical powert hat enabled him to lift it, but that's neither here nor there.

I've already written the whole issue off as a one-off story where the writer chose a villain because his name was Key in a story about a key and Superman having a security system less secure than The Ring

Either way, notsoSuperman knocking him out means jackshit

So I want to know where Superman got two pieced in this comic . Like where did carter get this from? Not the comic.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Also wasn't Superman( Who was exhausted at this point) tanked a shot from the key and had no visual damages?
https://ibb.co/BKKNTPp
https://ibb.co/z7g1Xds
https://ibb.co/347djLh
I tending to the writer was using some golden era setting like Superman's physically stronger than normal humans due to Krypton's gravity
The comic never directly stated the key used some tech hacked Superman's key. Instead it depicted the key putting some efforts to lift Superman's key
https://postimg.cc/BP6gt4s2

There's nothing prior to this that shows Key having the durability to take a punch from an angry, determined 8th grader let alone a fully grown man in Clark's shape.
Not knowing how he lifted the key is the problem. Keep the head canon to yourself

Lol, said from the guy who is constantly spreading his head canon.
Also in my original post I just pointed out there is no suggestion or indication that key was using some tech to help him lift Fortress' key. Only the first page showing he was lifting the fortress' key with some efforts which is exactly what happened on panel LAMO

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
I've already written the whole issue off as a one-off story where the writer chose a villain because his name was Key in a story about a key and Superman having a security system less secure than The Ring

Either way, notsoSuperman knocking him out means jackshit Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
There's nothing prior to this that shows Key having the durability to take a punch from an angry, determined 8th grader let alone a fully grown man in Clark's shape.
Not knowing how he lifted the key is the problem. Keep the head canon to yourself
Thou doth protest too much

Originally posted by abhilegend
Thou doth protest too much

PERHAPS, due to all the negative space mumbo jumbo he's talking and "no door" being closed and whatnot, as he also escaped from the doorless mind prison MMH trapped him in MAYBE just MAYBE he's able to lift the key because in his mind he's able since it's just any other key to him 🤔

https://i.postimg.cc/3dWn5tr9/trao.jpg

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Also I'm sorry but THIS is THE stupidest illogic ever. Dropping a 100 pound plate on any part of my body would break it, but I've benched 315 and squatted 405. Your argument is ignorant as hell, man. So now people can't lift weights that's break them if dropped on them? 🤣🤣🤣 Stop debating, seriously. In general. read my post again because as usual you missed the point. Like the key not having a gravitational pull. talk about stupid statements that one is right up there as one of the stupidest non Alberto quotes ever.

"powerless foe"

Yeah, Because. He. IS. If he's able to lift it simply due to it being a key then its weight doesn't matter 🥴 as he isn't able to actually lift half a million tons.
I WOULD do a montage of KEY being rocked to sleep by a regular human every time he's popped up to prove he has the durability of a wetnap, but you don't even know the character

So are we all agreed now that Rebirth and pre 52 characters are the same now then?

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Also I'm sorry but THIS is THE stupidest illogic ever. Dropping a 100 pound plate on any part of my body would break it, but I've benched 315 and squatted 405. Your argument is ignorant as hell, man. So now people can't lift weights that's break them if dropped on them? 🤣🤣🤣 Stop debating, seriously. In general.

Wait, why did he say that? It doesn't make one drop of sense.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
1 Punisher or other street characters are not involved here. I never mentioned them
2 My point about the scans that Superman tanked key's blast is he is far more stronger than ordinary people who will surely die from a gun shot, who can't dodge a heat vision from Superman, who can't tank a nuclear explosion in their faces. I.E, When I said normal humans I was referreing to people like ourselves in common sense
3 The main point of my post is he was indicating stronger than our humans. And how strong he is? He beats a guy who lifted a key that weights millions of tons.
4 The comic never gives any more addtional context about how did the key lift Superman's key aside from the first page.And you do realize that the implication you mentioned also can be argued right? The topic asking who can repeat this SPECIFIC feat within this SPECIFIC story. You can say this feat performed by the key is PIS but since the topic was asking this specific showing in this story so we takes what this story says

My point was that living after a blast from a Kirby laser =/= superhuman. If a bullet bounced off his chest, I would 100% agree with you.

As stupid as it sounds, in comics, a human is many times more likely to survive being blasted with a laser and getting up than a gun.

It barely adds context, but it does add something, it was mentioned. That's much less of a leap than Superman is superhuman even without solar radiation, being able to leap buildings and stop trains because of Earth's weaker gravity. I dislike inserting fan theories into a comic. It's basically making shit up. If we have to, let's choose the path of least resistance.

Doesn't matter, go ahead. Explain why that post was "logical" I always need a laugh from you

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
My point was that living after a blast from a Kirby laser =/= superhuman. If a bullet bounced off his chest, I would 100% agree with you.

As stupid as it sounds, in comics, a human is many times more likely to survive being blasted with a laser and getting up than a gun.

It barely adds context, but it does add something, it was mentioned. That's much less of a leap than Superman is superhuman even without solar radiation, being able to leap buildings and stop trains because of Earth's weaker gravity. I dislike inserting fan theories into a comic. It's basically making shit up. If we have to, let's choose the path of least resistance. But what you mentioned werent ordinary people.Like I clarified when i referred normal people i mean literally an ordinary people like you and me.
Nevertheless,My point is there are no direct indications that key used something to help him lift fortress' key. The only thing that very clearly depicted on panel is the first page he lifted fortress' key
It was PIS to key caused by the writers error imo

Rage was just so excited.