~~~~~~~~~~~~ Holiday Tourney - low herald/high meta edition ~~~~~~~~~~~~

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Philosophía
As you might have noticed, everything is a bit....stale.

So there's no better time than now to have some fun with your favorite, or not so favorite characters!

3 characters:
- 1 low herald, 2 high metas
- separate/not merged
- prep time maybe?
- randomized characters
- no redrafting

BUT

You can negotiate with other contestants to switch characters, if they want, before we start making the match-ups. You can change low-heralds with low heralds, high metas with high metas or even low heralds with high metas. You might even completely change your team from what you first start with.

In the utmost extreme example, you might even want to give up two of your high metas for another one's low herald, if they want to.

I'll be the host for the entire thing.

The tiers:







Takers?

PS: DON'T BE LAZY DAMBORG

Damborgson
Mr. Sinister Jenny Sparks and Invisible Woman for me please 👍👍

No laziness this time around.

Philosophía
Randomized! Though chances are somebody will land one of those so you'll be able to negotiate.

This got me thinking, before we start, do we still consider Invisible Woman as high-meta? I know Darksaint doesn't, but just saying.

Damborgson
Ahhh, got you. Will you compete too ??

DarkSaint85

Bentley
I knew that bumping Kang above low herald would come and bite me at some point down the line.

Philosophía
Originally posted by Damborgson
Ahhh, got you. Will you compete too ?? I'll just host .

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Invisible Woman is a herald thumb up I'd say so, too.

Originally posted by Bentley
I knew that bumping Kang above low herald would come and bite me at some point down the line. I'll rig the randomizer and give you....uhh.....Cyborg.

But seriously, you in?

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Should we try to trim the tiers a bit? Remove some lame characters?

DarkSaint85
NO. NO TRIMMING

No characters are lame.

Philosophía
I hope you get Colossus, Ares and She-Hulk.

DarkSaint85
You say that, but I will charge my hydra blood arrows with gamma bombs.

Damborgson
So Bentley, DS , myself and maybe even Philo. Good line up 👍

Damborgson
Bump!

Philosophía
Sorry, I was away for a few days. At least 1 more is needed.

I'll PM Mr. Mind to see if he wants to participate. Maybe abhi?

Out of the guys that I never see participate , anybody willing to go in?

Beatboks? Doesn't sound tempting?

MrMind
yeah im down hopefully i get exodus

btw Phil did you watch ufc last night?

DarkSaint85
I want Titan to join, with all of his matches ending in RL beatdowns.

beatboks
Throw me in

Smurph
The tiers were made without prep time in mind, but that could be a real game changer for whoever drafts Ult Reed at high meta.

Damborgson
Get in there Smurph. Why not?

DarkSaint85
Wait till I get Lex in battle armour thumb up

Philosophía
Bentley I PM'd you! I know you saw it!

MrMind

Bentley
Gonna play this. Hope I get Luthor in armor

Philosophía
Darksaint
Damborg
Bentley
Beatboks
Mr mind

Up until now.

I PM'd a few other guys. We can make with 6 but 8 would be cool.

MrMind
guys lemme use Dracula, Ghost Rider and Lightray and I'll give you guys free BJs

Philosophía
Originally posted by MrMind
Dracula
Originally posted by MrMind
Lightray

Originally posted by MrMind
Light


Originally posted by MrMind
free BJs



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StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
NO RIMMING

That's not what you were saying on the other day... shifty

Philosophía
Join the tourney Stilt.

Smurph

MrMind
Stilt we need you

Philosophía
Mungi? Saw you pulled a Bentley and read my PM but didn't answer!

Still waiting for answers from two more posters.

zopzop
@Philo
I'd love to participate but too busy IRL with nephews doing distance learning crap cause of COVID.

PS, I couldn't send you a PM. You and your funky name with that odd letter. big grin

Philosophía
thumb up Thanks for the answer.

Waiting on mungi and Martian. If none of them want, we will have a 2 way and a 3 way semifinals.

Philosophía
Ok guys, so in the meantime, we should start the drafting process. So:

Darksaint
Damborg
Bentley
Beatboks
Mr mind

Please give me
- a number between 1 and 119 for the low herald
- two numbers between 1 and 120 for the two high metas

I'm about to randomize the tiers and PM them to Galan so they're stuck in stone.

DarkSaint85
108
93/06

Philosophía
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
108
93/06

Low herald:
108: Absorbing Man

High Metas:
6: Blue Beetle (Jamie Reyes)
93: X-O Manowar

DarkSaint85
....wtf. lol.

MrMind
94
08
03

my birthday

Philosophía
Originally posted by MrMind
94
08
03

my birthday

94: Animal Man

8: Maxwell Lord
3: Quicksilver (classic)

MrMind
sick

guys

let's negotiate, which is me begging you guys to let me pick my guys love

DarkSaint85
You wanna engage in some horse trading with me Mind?

MrMind
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
You wanna engage in some horse trading with me Mind?

what you have in mind

DarkSaint85
Oh I don't have those two lol

MrMind
nevermind I read the rules wrong lol

which character you want from mine?

all three of yours look sexy to me, so yeah Im willing to trade any of mine

DarkSaint85
Animal man for Blue beetle?

Philosophía
Should have asked this before all of this, but...

Prep time -- each contestant should have an opinion. Majority decides. With. Without. How much. And also very important -- where?

Battlefield will be a merger of non-populated DC/Marvel Earth but with no tech other than what you have on you/what you can create

MrMind
edit

DarkSaint85
Phildo? Can we swap like what I am proposing?

Philosophía
You can swap whatever characters you want, in any number, to whatever characters you want, of any number.

DarkSaint85
Thanks Phildo.

Mind?

MrMind
ill wait and see if there are other options from other people

you wanna do max lord trade jamie?

or absorbing man trade animal man?

DarkSaint85
Max lord for Jaime, sure.

Philosophía
New drafts

Darksaint = Absorbing Man, Max Lord, X-O Manowar
Mr. Mind = Animal Man, Blue Beetle (Jaime), Quicksilver (Classic)

MrMind
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Max lord for Jaime, sure.

thumb upthumb upthumb up

DarkSaint85
At least I don't have two robots and can actually do something interesting, maybe.

How much prep time can I have with Max?

Damborgson

Philosophía
Originally posted by Damborgson
5
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6

7

Darksaint already got the 6th randomized high-meta. You need to change that number stick out tongue

As for the other two:

Low herald:
5: Nimrod

High meta:
7: Pitt

Damborgson
69 it is !

Philosophía
69: Emma Frost (fitting!)

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Darksaint = Absorbing Man, Max Lord, X-O Manowar
Mr. Mind = Animal Man, Blue Beetle (Jaime), Quicksilver (Classic)
Damborg = Nimrod, Emma Frost, Pitt

Sin I AM
Good thread

Damborgson
Oof, quicksilver. ..

Only high end speedsters like Thor could catch him. shifty

MrMind
animal man seems difficult to use in tourney, he's either too powerful or too useless depends on the stipulation

Philosophía
I'll say this before we get there: if anybody has questions/clarifications, they should be asked before we start the matches.

For example: classic Quicksilver doesn't refer solely to the one from the 60s/70s that was having good races with Hawkeye's arrows/was limited to around mach 1. It's essentially the pre-HoM version. And if anybody has certain objections about some characters , they should say so, too. If not, it's valid. Same goes for any other character.

As for prep:


Originally posted by Sin I AM
Good thread You're welcome to join!

Damborgson
I'd say starting in a bubble with a 5 second countdown is fair. The ending bell signals the start of the match and you can prep in the meantime.

MrMind
i dont want prep time but ill go with majority decision on this one

i assume dc characters are composite canon? because of what happened in the latest death metal issue? but maybe no pre-crisis for the sake of the tourney?

Sin I AM
57,39....15

Philosophía
Originally posted by MrMind
i dont want prep time but ill go with majority decision on this one

i assume dc characters are composite canon? because of what happened in the latest death metal issue? but maybe no pre-crisis for the sake of the tourney? No composite, they're all post-Crisis. No pre-Crisis versions in the tourney.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
57,39....15 I can't tell if you're joking. But I'm serious, if you want in it's all good if you take it seriously, otherwise you'll ruin it for the rest.

Sin I AM
Hmmm...I'm horribly bad when it comes to tourneys. But I am bored. I seem to be in a conundrum. I'd probably be better as a judge but am curious who is get if I played. Decisions decisions.

Philosophía
I'll PM you who the characters would have been, just in case somebody else wants to pick those numbers.

MrMind

Philosophía
I'm ok with Post + New 52, as long as the rest are ok, too. thumb up

MrMind
it would be crazy to seperate dc characters from p52/n52/rebirth after death metal

but yeah ill always go with the majority consensus

Martian_mind
Cheers for the invite Phil, but I think I'll stay retired for this one. I'll happily judge the matches if you need someone, however.

Damborgson

BrolyBlack
Is it to late to pick my characters?

MrMind
Originally posted by BrolyBlack
Is it to late to pick my characters?

you are always welcomed my friend

BrolyBlack
Magneto

Ghost Rider (Blaze)

Sauron

MrMind
Originally posted by BrolyBlack
Magneto

Ghost Rider (Blaze)

Sauron

that's not how this works lol

Damborgson
Yeah my mistake is enough please lol.


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BrolyBlack

Damborgson
Name 3 numbers between 1 and 120, and you will then be assigned random characters

BrolyBlack

Bentley
40, 88, 19

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Did not check if there were repeats in my number picks... But I'm totally not going to half--ss this tourney biscuits

DarkSaint85
5 second is ok, I reckon things like summons and power copying should be limited to low herald level.

So if anyone gets BlackAlice (for example) a 5D imp isn't arriving, and Animal Man isn't getting a Sun Eater lol

Damborgson
^ naturally, but important to specify before a 5d imp does indeed show up. Agreed 👍

Philosophía
Originally posted by Bentley
40, 88, 19

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Did not check if there were repeats in my number picks... But I'm totally not going to half--ss this tourney biscuits

Low herald:
40: Coldcast

High Meta:
88: Mera
19: Abomination

MrMind
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
5 second is ok, I reckon things like summons and power copying should be limited to low herald level.

So if anyone gets BlackAlice (for example) a 5D imp isn't arriving, and Animal Man isn't getting a Sun Eater lol

you are so gay

you literally just nerfed the crap out of my quicksilver and animal man

and I thought us asians are suppose to look out for each other

there's no way I agree to both prep and no sun eater

DarkSaint85
Lmao.

I mean, Maxwell is heavily nerfed by 5secs prep - where the hell can I get that much blood/ice etc to actually do anything??

Bentley

MrMind
like I get it if animal man gets to tap into sun eaters it wouldn't be fair

but if we use standard level it seems like his feats are pretty garbage, he is either too op or too crappy

i don't know anything about him though so i cant say but just from the gut instinct I know i would be garbage using him in the battle

oh well

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by Bentley
I'm pretty ok with this draft, if anyone here is a hardcore Mera fan just drop me a few issue numbers to speed up the task of finding good feats. Same with Abomination

I can send you scans of them dying if you want.

Bentley
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I can send you scans of them dying if you want.

It'll be a chore not to find scans of Abomination dying

DarkSaint85
I'm assuming he's not Chaos War Abom, lol.

Because then he's already dead thumb up

Just like I am assuming I can't use Black Lantern Max Lord? Or can I evil face

MrMind
it's different though

when animal man mimick animals/creatures abilities he acquired these abilities permanently, so why not sun eater?

black lantern ring is not something max lord constantly possess

DarkSaint85
Oh yeah, agreed, but my BL Max point was to do with Chaos War Abom, not Sun Eaters and Animal Man.

With regards to Animal Man....I personally just see it as being above Low Herald, which is where he is situated (a Sun Eater, that is). Would be interesting to see how others see it, and I welcome other views and opinions. I'm not going to die on this hill to spite you mate.

Philosophía
Darksaint = Absorbing Man, Max Lord, X-O Manowar
Mr. Mind = Animal Man, Blue Beetle (Jaime), Quicksilver (Classic)
Damborg = Nimrod, Emma Frost, Pitt
Bentley = Coldcast, Mera, Abomination

Still waiting on beatboks. Just in case Sin wants to be in, this is what her numbers get her:

Sin = Plastic Man, Mojo, Dracula

Philosophía
I will make prep time randomized, too.

3 scenarios: no prep, 1min prep, 1 hour prep. Each match will have it random.

BrolyBlack
Phil how much do I have to pay to get the characters I want, just PM me.

Philosophía
Sin already tried that tactic.



































And succeeded.



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Guys, I'm going to make the match-ups, soon. In about 4 hours. The four of you (Saint, Damborg, Bentley, Mr. Mind) for now.

If you want to negotiate with each other, feel free to do so. Otherwise...get ready!

Beatboks, Sin, depending on if you want , and if you log in , we'll see how we proceed. If just one of you manages to say anything today, I will put you in a 3-way with one of the other two matches. If both of you, I'll randomize all 6 of you in match-ups.

BrolyBlack
laughing out loud

MrMind
i want mera, bentley

Bentley
I'd trade her for Quicksilver due to the sheer laziness of reading more comics (I've read enough Avengers to run a low effort QS)

MrMind
Originally posted by Bentley
I'd trade her for Quicksilver due to the sheer laziness of reading more comics (I've read enough Avengers to run a low effort QS)

yesss! done deal

DarkSaint85
Dambo I'll trade X O Manowar for Nimrod

Bentley
Originally posted by MrMind
yesss! done deal

Sounds good then!

Coldcast, Abomination, Quicksilver. I have a team of jobbers, my kind of team.

Philosophía
Oh, Bentley. Bentley, Bentley.

Darksaint = Absorbing Man, Max Lord, X-O Manowar
Mr. Mind = Animal Man, Blue Beetle (Jaime), Mera
Damborg = Nimrod, Emma Frost, Pitt
Bentley = Coldcast, Quicksilver, Abomination

BrolyBlack
11,22,47

Philosophía
I'll make the match draws after Liverpool - Tottenham finishes, lol. So in 1h.

BrolyBlack
And my cash under the table better have paid off here.

MrMind

Sin I AM
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Dambo I'll trade X O Manowar for Nimrod

You need to respect Valiant

Philosophía
Originally posted by MrMind
Son is tingling my sensation Kane and Bergwijn's misses will haunt them

Philosophía
Ok, so. Match-ups:

1: Damborg = Nimrod, Emma Frost, Pitt
vs
2: Bentley = Coldcast, Quicksilver, Abomination

Randomized prep result: 1: No prep

3: Darksaint = Absorbing Man, Max Lord, X-O Manowar
vs
4: Mr. Mind = Animal Man, Blue Beetle (Jaime), Mera

Randomized prep result: 1 min prep.

Battlefield will be a merger of non-populated DC/Marvel Earth but with no tech other than what you have on you/what you can create . Standard 0.5km starting distance. No BFR.

Good luck, gents.

Proposal:
First post in by Friday.
2nd post by Monday
3rd post by Wednesday

If it's ok by all of you. First post and last post to be PMd to me.

DarkSaint85
May he who dies, die well.

MrMind
i face the debate king the first round? damnnnnnn son

Damborgson
Will be an honor Bentley.

DarkSaint85
Dambo, my generous offer is still available

Damborgson
Oh sorry I hadn't seen that.

No way Jose. I just started reading on Nimrod and I like what I see 😎😎😎

Bentley
Originally posted by Damborgson
Will be an honor Bentley.

Let's have a fun one.

MrMind
I assume animal man has powers of all the animals/creatures he has copied before, in canon (considering he can literally copy any animals in history, extinct or not)

or else he would be literally useless in a non-populated planet

Philosophía
Yes. The point was to remove the people/tech so that there's no outside interference. But the stuff that is necessary for the characters power to work is all there.

DarkSaint85
I am ready for you, Mr Mind.

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Philosophía
Darksaint's opening post consists of the word Rape repeated until he fills the 10k char limit.

beatboks
57

44, 88

@Mr Mind who ever I get I'd almost certainly trade for your whole team 🙂

beatboks
Oh sorry, just saw I was too late.

Best of luck guys.

Philosophía
I PM d sin to see if she wants to have a match up with you.

DarkSaint85
What can we do during prep?

Philosophía
You can build stuff, put up defenses, prepare offense etc. You can run around the globe, you can teleport, you can fly, in that time. But you can't affect the actual battlefield - once the match starts it resets so you only have what you carried/created on you.

Imagine that when the minute is up you go through a portal which takes you to the reset battlefield . Standard 0.5km starting distance. No BFR.] So you can't actually start digging holes to hide inside during prep on the battlefield, because it will all be reset.

For the sake of eliminating loopholes, the merged Earth is very randomized, so you won't even know where Gotham is or shit like that. And Gotham won't have a batcave, etc. You just have 'generic materials', not unlike on our Earth, around.

Blair Wind

Philosophía

Damborgson
What's starting distance now that I think about it ?

BrolyBlack
Originally posted by BrolyBlack
11,22,47
??

BrolyBlack
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
What can we do during prep?

Tell carver to shove it

BrolyBlack
Philobaby I entered before this was closed.

Give me my characters otherwise I’ll ask PR to close the tournamentsmile

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by Damborgson
What's starting distance now that I think about it ?

0.5km

Philosophía
Originally posted by Damborgson
What's starting distance now that I think about it ? Standard, 0.5km.

BrolyBlack
Hello??

Philosophía
You were serious? Lmao

I can put you in with beatboks but he has to change two of his numbers since they're already taken.

Diesldude

Philosophía
Broly, I promise to include you next time. As it is now, 2 semifinals with one final, and all the match-ups done, with frozen picks, is too good to ruin.

Just FYI, your picks would have been:

Broly:
11,22,47
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11: Captain Comet
22: War Machine
47: Geo-Force

DarkSaint85
Who do we send our OPs to?

Philosophía
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Who do we send our OPs to? Me.

Preferably with a sexy pic of yourself.

MrMind
I'm on covid quarantine right now, wouldn't have time to do this otherwise

headache killing me but my opening post will be masterful. I will finish my posts in ICU bed if I have to evil face

gonna watch mandalorian first though

haven't even started writing yet

Philosophía
If you don't send it by friday I hope you're one of the 0.0001%.

MrMind
that's messed up

I'll send it friday 11:59pm 59 second

Philosophía
Think about it like this, there's a 1 in 10,000 chance that post will be your last accomplishment. So make it great.

Philosophía
I received Darksaint's OP. I will update here as I get each one.

beatboks
Which numbers?

Actually to make it easier just add 7 to said numbers

Of course Broly gets CC. Two other contestants get the low Heralds I know the best.

beatboks
Damn it's already 8am Friday here. So how many hours do I have?

Philosophía
Hey beat, sorry for all this confusion, but since there are already frozen picks after there's already been negotiations, drawn match-ups and 4 of them (i.e. perfect for semi-final, then final format), we should leave the rest for a future tourney.

Same applies to what I Said to Broly here:


What your picks would have been is this:

57 + 7 = 64, 44, 88 + 7 = 95 (57 is taken by Sin, 88 is taken by Bentley)
Low herald:
64: Wendigo

High meta:
44: Holocaust
95: Corvus Glaive

beatboks
Cool cool.

Thank God, I only know Wendigo and not that well for him either.

Happy to judge if needed.
BTW which version of CC would Bloly have had, Classic, post resurrection/mystery in space, or nu52?

Classic is a class 100 brick with TP rarely used, TK he used a lot and genious intellect
Post resurrection he's a better TPer than MMH and ready willing and able to shred minds in a heartbeat. Much more powerful mentally but much weaker physically and could teleport.
Nu52 I believe got an amp of post resurrection.

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