How powerful was undead Palpatine at the start of Tros compared to ROTJ Palpatine?

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Scizard
Kylo states his power was way more than anything he's ever felt before and Snoke has some parity to ROTJ Palpatine, so he must be more powerful than ROTJ Palps.

Darthadi
He has more power (at least his spirit which is what Kylo sensed), but at the same time he might not be able to use his full power due to the fragility of his clone body (otherwise he would risk to destroy his own body) which we know was not good enough to host his spirit/power.

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How do we know that Snoke had some parity with ROTJ Palps?

Zenwolf
Can it even being gauged given he was on a nexus?

Darthadi
No proof that nexuses work in canon like in legends unless you think Anakin was amped on Mustafar when he lost to Kenobi.

Galan007
He potentially had the power of all Sith before him.

So... A LOT more powerful, if taken at face value.

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The_Tempest
RE: Snoke comparisons, for whatever it's worth

https://www.starwars.com/databank/supreme-leader-snoke

The Supreme Leader of the First Order, the mysterious Snoke was powerful with the dark side of the Force, and seduced Ben Solo into abandoning the Jedi path to become his apprentice. He also commanded the technological war machine engineered to destroy the New Republic and the Resistance. Kylo Ren turned on his master and killed him, but would soon learn that Snoke had been a mere puppet, created and controlled by a more powerful master of the dark side.

Kylo thought he had destroyed a key part of the past that tormented him, but would soon discover Snoke had been created and controlled by a more powerful master of the dark side, as part of a sinister scheme set in motion decades earlier.

Galan007

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Originally posted by The_Tempest
RE: Snoke comparisons, for whatever it's worth

https://www.starwars.com/databank/supreme-leader-snoke

The Supreme Leader of the First Order, the mysterious Snoke was powerful with the dark side of the Force, and seduced Ben Solo into abandoning the Jedi path to become his apprentice. He also commanded the technological war machine engineered to destroy the New Republic and the Resistance. Kylo Ren turned on his master and killed him, but would soon learn that Snoke had been a mere puppet, created and controlled by a more powerful master of the dark side.

Kylo thought he had destroyed a key part of the past that tormented him, but would soon discover Snoke had been created and controlled by a more powerful master of the dark side, as part of a sinister scheme set in motion decades earlier.
Nice. Not that it wasn’t obvious already though.

The_Tempest
ya i just like reminding folks that snoke is sheev's inferior in all ways

Scizard
"Snoke was not a Sith Lord, but his mastery of the darkside was equally as impressive and terrifying."

This is from Luke and the last time Luke would've seen Palpatine should be ROTJ. So this puts Snoke atleast near ROTJ Palpatine.

The_Tempest
Originally posted by Scizard
"Snoke was not a Sith Lord, but his mastery of the darkside was equally as impressive and terrifying."

This is from Luke and the last time Luke would've seen Palpatine should be ROTJ. So this puts Snoke atleast near ROTJ Palpatine.

Or, as has been suggested, it might mean that Snoke's mastery of the Force is as impressive and terrifying as a Sith Lord's. Not necessarily the Emperor.

Galan007
It's one of those things that will never be fully agreed upon.

Imo, the full context of the quote does indicate that Luke is drawing a direct comparison between the power of Palpatine and Snoke:
"Unlike Emperor Palpatine before him, Snoke was not a Sith Lord, but his mastery of the dark side was equally as impressive -- and terrifying."

If Luke were just comparing Snoke to some random/generic Sith Lord, he likely wouldn't have mentioned Palpatine in the same breath... But that's just my take.

And given the info we have now(ie. RoS Palpatine > Snoke), I don't have any problem at all with the notion that Snoke may have been on par with Palpatine's previous/weaker incarnation. /shrug

Lord Stark
Originally posted by The_Tempest
Or, as has been suggested, it might mean that Snoke's mastery of the Force is as impressive and terrifying as a Sith Lord's. Not necessarily the Emperor.

This seems more likely.

Scizard
It's clearly to Palpatine. Why would it be an unspecificed Sith Lord, they don't all have equal strength it makes no sense for him to be equally as impressive to them.

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Eli Vanto
Agreed.

The quote from Luke definitely implies that he believed Snoke was equal to ROTJ Sidious.

Dominis
I'm sure Palpatine's undead clone is intended to be far weaker than he was in his original body in ROTJ, as his clone started to deteriorate right upon being resurrected, which happened moments after his first death. So if his clone body was dying out just by having to support the power of his original body, then it wouldn't make sense that he added far more power to it. That is why I think Palpatine as of ROTJ may have already been able to harness all the power of the sith.

Palpatine also claimed that Rey's body--likely due to having the same potential as his original body--was the only one strong enough to contain all the power of the sith. It would stand to reason that he came to such a conclusion because he himself was that powerful in his original body.

Creating a back up body specifically strong enough to contain all the power of the sith seemed to be the point from the start, and Sidious was working on that before his death at Endor.

Galan007
That's a great point. thumb up

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Darthadi
Having power is useless if he can't use that power without destroying his body.

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Darthadi
He can use his power obviously, but only as much power as his clone body can endure without being destroyed.
The point is he can't use his full power.

Galan007

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Galan007
Possibly.

The RoS novelization does imply that the dyad juice may have amped Palpatine's power to some unknown extent, but the more recent Star Wars Book states that the dyad simply "revivified" his body.

Either way, post-dyad Palpatine > pre-dyad Palpatine.

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Superdad76
he needed a new body so he was in pain and detoriarating

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Darthadi
Galaxy of Heroes is neither canon or legends.

Darth Thor
Originally posted by Scizard
It's clearly to Palpatine. Why would it be an unspecificed Sith Lord, they don't all have equal strength it makes no sense for him to be equally as impressive to them.


But why mention Sith Lord at all? Putting that title in does leave at least a small amount of ambiguity.

But then a lot of source book quotes do that.

Which is just another reason one off source books quotes cant define canon on their own IMO.

Having said that, now that we know Snoke was a clone of Palpatine, that may give more reason to believe he could have been his equal (to an extent). Clearly he was never his equal in the same time period though.

Rebel95

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