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Herc ragestomps

RK Thor ragestomps

Lol..........

Hercules imo

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Hercules imo

Who are you?

What have you done with Rage?

Lol, evidence is evidence. Hercules was a full on Multiversal entity rereading chaos war

Supergod Herc

YOU TOO?!

What the hell is happening in this thread...?

I need to call Agent Dambo to sort it out.

Universe and multiverse are references that are incorrectly equated by some writers and used interchangeably.

Because a Marvel universe is itself multi-dimensional with each universe having multiple pocket dimensions attached to it (e.g. Negative Zone, Pantheon related realms, Hell dimensions, mystical realms etc) universes are erroneously called multiverses sometimes.

There are on panel examples of this.

With this in mind im not convinced that the Chaos King did actually devour most of the proper multiverse as opposed to just 616 and its associated pocket/side dimensions.

Now i could be wrong but where on panel did we see any alternate reality counterparts such as we did when Abraxas was causing actual multiversal havoc?

All we saw was 616 characters involved and characters from side dimensions associated with 616.

Furthermore, this Chaos King in the end was contained in an artificial universe.

If im wrong on this point and alternate realities were featured and alternate reality counterparts were involved and shown to be affected then please do let me know. Id love to know conclusively.

But i dont think we can take it as the multiverse "proper" when theres a history of the reference being used interchangably with universe and as far as i know theres no on panel depiction of anything beyond the 616 universe (and associated realms) being affected.

Thoughts?

It was most definitely a universe only and rage has been corrected on it multiple times.

I wonder if a relationship between Knull and Oblivion will be revealed? Knull just seems light a lightweight Chaos King

Originally posted by Astner
To recap. The Chaos King never destroyed any universes. All he ever destroyed was afterlives and various pocket dimensions.

The first domain he destroyed was that of the Pantheon of Zenn-La.

https://i.imgur.com/HfTdZNMm.jpg

Then he destroyed Impossible Man's domain.

https://i.imgur.com/V20LfM7m.jpg

Then he destroyed the underworld.

https://i.imgur.com/Zvchf8Wm.jpg

Then he destroyed the Dream Dimension.

https://i.imgur.com/mHNMW4Mm.jpg

Then he destroyed the realms of the Earthly Pantheons.

https://i.imgur.com/UlbmOR6m.jpg

These are all the domains we see him attack in the original run and the spin-offs. There are no attacks on alternate Earths or timelines, the attacks are all confined to realms associated with the 616 Universe.

The main argument for the attack being multiversal is this quote by Amadeus Cho.

https://i.imgur.com/OUIGQKim.jpg

The issue is that this describes the multiverse as finite, since percentages are fractions, which only applies to finite numbers.

It's clear from the context that Amadeus is talking about is the universe and the various realms associated with it.

In fact, when Hercules attained all-father status he was able to defeat the Chaos King.

https://i.imgur.com/5w6VUuNm.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/tc1b8WTm.jpg

Athena even compares him to Zeus, after he defeated the Chaos King.

https://i.imgur.com/k1K8Tpom.jpg

At the end of the series Hercules refers to Amadeus' "multiverse" as the universe.

https://i.imgur.com/ZFQaiflm.jpg

The fact that Amadeus or Hercules refers to the 616 Universe as a multiverse means jack-shit, because they're not talking about the Marvel Multiverse, and this is made clear in the story. Of course, I'm fully aware of the fact that this won't stop fanboys from ripping panels out of context, ignore the story, and present their own headcanon of how Skyfathers are multiversal threats, and tell me that I'm just a hater.

So GS and Abhi are in agreement.

Rage and Celey think Thor loses.

Truly, it is a Christmas miracle.

Why cant it be a Hannukah miracle? How about Kwazaa miracle? You singleminded gentile u...

all holidays are gay

So even if CK was just universal is RKT universal? Imo he is above galactus but what level is he?

RKT didn't show anything beyond Odin level.

he obviously did, that was the whole point of the ragnarok storyline

Going for Hercules here.

RKT is all hype.

Both Thor and Hercules supposedly surpassed Odin and Zeus, respectively, and they both gave up their powers to save the universe, but defeating Mikaboshi is a greater feat than anything accomplished by Thor.

So why they could very well be equals, I'm giving it to Hercules.

First off RKT isn't really a battle boards type power up. It basically just gives him further knowledge, omniscience etc. Sure it put him Skyfather ++ when he defeated Mangog but thats about it. Herc should still win.


And lol @abhi "correcting" people like he's some kind of disciplinarian or something


You have been "corrected" Rage dont let it happen again 🤣🤣

Mangog was drained when RKT defeated him.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Who are you?

What have you done with Rage?

We dont have to lie and constantly wank our hero. Our hero has limits. Which makes his story good. Superfags stories are trash now because they can't go back without retconning. Him losing to anything other than an omniversal level threat now is pure trash storytelling. **** superfag

https://media.tenor.com/images/7e215f7a2673eb36b509d5142fc2be94/tenor.gif

RKT > Odin and destroyed Yggdrasil. Yggdrasil is a Continent and WoG caps Odin at Planet Level. CW Hercules took on a Multi-Galaxy to Universal threat. He stomps.

Originally posted by MrMind
he obviously did, that was the whole point of the ragnarok storyline
Not in terms of power.

Originally posted by Astner
Both Thor and Hercules supposedly surpassed Odin and Zeus, respectively, and they both gave up their powers to save the universe, but defeating Mikaboshi is a greater feat than anything accomplished by Thor.

So why they could very well be equals, I'm giving it to Hercules.
Thor never surpassed Odin.Originally posted by ShadowFyre
First off RKT isn't really a battle boards type power up. It basically just gives him further knowledge, omniscience etc. Sure it put him Skyfather ++ when he defeated Mangog but thats about it. Herc should still win.


And lol @abhi "correcting" people like he's some kind of disciplinarian or something


You have been "corrected" Rage dont let it happen again 🤣🤣
Well, someone has to do it.

"Thor never surpassed Odin."

While I agree RKT is *very* overrated, he has surpassed Odin.
qph.fs.quoracdn. net/main-qimg-a750507bb6270ef845c5a4bc6da7e6da

"The Runepower granted him abilities beyond those of even the Odinforce"

Note: Apparently I'm not well-known enough to post links, so I had to break the image link down. Just remove the spaces and it should work.

Originally posted by GenghisJuan
"Thor never surpassed Odin."

While I agree RKT is *very* overrated, he has surpassed Odin.
qph.fs.quoracdn. net/main-qimg-a750507bb6270ef845c5a4bc6da7e6da

"The Runepower granted him abilities beyond those of even the Odinforce"

Note: Apparently I'm not well-known enough to post links, so I had to break the image link down. Just remove the spaces and it should work.
That's not from an official source. Odin knew runes too.

Lmao what? It's from The Mighty Thor Saga #1. How is that not official?

Originally posted by abhilegend
That's not from an official source.

https://www.marvel.com/comics/issue/38961/the_mighty_thor_saga_2011_1

hmm

Originally posted by GenghisJuan
Lmao what? It's from The Mighty Thor Saga #1. How is that not official? Originally posted by celeyhyga17
https://www.marvel.com/comics/issue/38961/the_mighty_thor_saga_2011_1


Alright, its a digital comic. But the actual comic states that Odin knew of runes too.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Anyway since Dambo is backing out of the BZ, I'll make my argument right here.

RKT got Odinforce and Runes just like Odin did. From Thor 84.

https://i.postimg.cc/cg92zjs5/RCO003.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/LgJwFT54/RCO004.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/hhvHmSsF/RCO005.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/xqZByWpX/RCO006.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/0bJFtchc/RCO007.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/nXb5NqJZ/RCO008.jpg

Unlike Odin he had to die and reborn to get the power of the runes because the cyclic nature of Ragnarok made sacrifices lesser, that's why Thor had to pluck out both his eyes instead of one.

https://i.postimg.cc/jqFvqQf3/RCO022.jpg

Thor had only one advantage on Odin, he had lived as a mortal (which was a gift from Odin) and thus his actions were shielded from both Those who sit in the Shadows and Odinforce itself.

https://i.postimg.cc/SJsxwHcL/RCO011.jpg

Recap and ending page of Thor 85 says the same.

https://i.postimg.cc/FYy8GH1T/RCO002.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/zLpMZ2CW/RCO020.jpg

Thor wasn't more powerful or knowledgeable than Odin, he was shielded from the older gods and fates themselves due to having lived as a mortal.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Alright, its a digital comic.
Glad u agree it's official.



Btw it was a published and printed book and not digital.

Originally posted by wxyz
Mangog was drained when RKT defeated him.

Yes.

Digital-exclusive comics indeed don't count on KMC per forum rules, abhi didn't make it up.

But:

1) that rule is obsolete af,

2) Marvel likes to actually print those comics later, anyway:

https://picclick.co.uk/Mighty-Thor-Saga-1-2011-1St-Print-Marvel-303639723726.html