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On land. No weapons

1. With rest
2. Without rest

1. Thing & Luke Cage
2. Thing & Colossus
3. Thing & Colossus & Luke Cage
4. She Hulk & Thing & Colossus & Luke Cage
5. She Hulk & Thing & Colossus & Luke Cage & Venom

Stops at 2

2. Maybe 3

Stops at 2

Bump.

4

Probably 4

when has namor ever dominated ben to the point where someone like colossus wouldn't make up whatever advantage he showed in their fights?

Ben uses the heart force in round 1.

Namor can't believe the under dog's stamina.
Ben then says "this one is for yancy, ya fish head"
Namor then tweets it out, cancelling all issues of the ff indefinitely.
The guardian puts out a paper about orange nationalism and how rock people have privilege because they live in super science high rises.

In round 3 cage complains about being swapped for a cis white male.
This allows cage to feel someone owes him money and proceeds to beat namor and everyone on his own team as well, while solving cold fusion.

The thing then counter sews using his little known jew force.

With rest 2, without 1

4

Originally posted by leonidas
when has namor ever dominated ben to the point where someone like colossus wouldn't make up whatever advantage he showed in their fights?

Yeah, I was thinking the same thing.

Namor struggles with 1 and could easily lose there.

Stilt, where the **** are you?

If I told you, there would be mass-bannings happening


You want me to rep Namor, defend Colossus or somehow magically do both?

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
If I told you, there would be mass-bannings happening


You want me to rep Namor, defend Colossus or somehow magically do both?

Well, you were the one who told me Namor was above the likes of Colossus and Thing. I'm just looking for the truth. How far do you think he'd get?

He already took out Cage, Shulkie and stalemated Thing.

But, of course, he didn't fight them all at the same time and Jen got cheapshotted.

He can either stop at 2 or 4, as others said. He (and his opponents) fluctuates just that much.

Even the most current Namor, with his "righteous rage" amp of sorts, got restrained and nearly choked out by Cap and Wolvie...

Originally posted by leonidas
when has namor ever dominated ben to the point where someone like colossus wouldn't make up whatever advantage he showed in their fights?
He oneshotted the pineapple Thing just fine.

Stops at 6.

Originally posted by abhilegend
He oneshotted the pineapple Thing just fine.

scan?

and only slightly more recently ben beat him one-on-one in avx while underwater.

i'll say he stops at 2.

Originally posted by leonidas
scan?

and only slightly more recently ben beat him one-on-one in avx while underwater.

i'll say he stops at 2.
AvX was generally a low point for Namor. He has been upgraded since then.

Will share the scan, having issue finding it.

i agree it was a poor showing for namor, but my overall point stands--most meetings between them are very close and indecisive. adding basically a second thing should be enough to get ben and pete the win.

Not really. Namor casually no selling Thor and Iron man is beyond Ben which he did just recently.

Originally posted by Galan007
Namor:
https://s7d2.turboimg.net/t1/39470627_Avengers_2018-_009-012.jpg https://s7d2.turboimg.net/t1/39470628_Avengers_2018-_009-013.jpg https://s7d2.turboimg.net/t1/39470629_Avengers_2018-_009-014.jpg https://s7d2.turboimg.net/t1/39470630_Avengers_2018-_009-015.jpg https://s7d2.turboimg.net/t1/39470631_Avengers_2018-_009-016.jpg https://s7d2.turboimg.net/t1/39470632_Avengers_2018-_009-017.jpg

Originally posted by leonidas
scan?

and only slightly more recently ben beat him one-on-one in avx while underwater.

i'll say he stops at 2.

He did. But there was some context to that.

Namor wasn't *really* attacked by his friends, it was a surprise party or something and they were only trying to distract him.

Think this scene is from the same comic:

https://i.imgur.com/N0NoJcj.png

No, Namor was a fugitive and they were trying to bring him in.

It was still a beastly showing, as Ben is just not the guy who you can casually dismiss with a single punch --- regardless of whether he is serious or not.

Then there's his whole rivalry thing with Namor.

Originally posted by abhilegend
No, Namor was a fugitive and they were trying to bring him in.

That's not how I remember it. If anything, they were bullshitting about that, methinks.

But since neither of us can find the comic right now, let's wait for someone who can

You can count on one hand the top tiers who have oneshotted Ben. The list excludes Thor, Silver Surfer, Hyperion, Hulk etc, etc.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
That's not how I remember it. If anything, they were bullshitting about that, methinks.

But since neither of us can find the comic right now, let's wait for someone who can
Actually it was for a party, Namor the sub mariner annual 1.

Does current Namor still have upgrades?

Yes

Aw wut the ef.. He gets far then. Doesnt he have all kinds of hydrokenesis and shiet? Plus i think they showed him using his old electic powers no?

Originally posted by abhilegend
You can count on one hand the top tiers who have oneshotted Ben. The list excludes Thor, Silver Surfer, Hyperion, Hulk etc, etc.

Yeah, I myself like to remind everyone how well Thing did against the likes of Thor or Herc.

I just don't think that showing is 100% legit, as I said before.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Actually it was for a party, Namor the sub mariner annual 1.

Thanks

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Aw wut the ef.. He gets far then. Doesnt he have all kinds of hydrokenesis and shiet? Plus i think they showed him using his old electic powers no?
They did.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Aw wut the ef.. He gets far then. Doesnt he have all kinds of hydrokenesis and shiet? Plus i think they showed him using his old electic powers no?

He didn't get depowered, but Logan and Cap restrained him... and Logan choked the living shit out of him...

https://i.ibb.co/DLd0fWY/n1.png

https://i.ibb.co/Gn6cxgJ/n2.png

https://i.ibb.co/pQRT9HN/n3.png

Namor always jobs when Cap's involved lol

if there has been some sort of official upgrade recently that would obviously change things. if he just has a couple good showings recently, not sure that would be enough yet to change my opinion.

Originally posted by leonidas
if there has been some sort of official upgrade recently that would obviously change things. if he just has a couple good showings recently, not sure that would be enough yet to change my opinion.

He did get Hydro-Man's powers. Had the Serpent Crown, too (not sure if he still does or is affected by it).

But, most importantly, there's this "righteous rage" amp which is not exactly clear. But his performance was crazy. In the Avengers scans that you ignored, old man. They were reposted 333 times.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Namor always jobs when Cap's involved lol

I disagree.

He actually wtfpwned Cap several times.

Intercepting and beating him with his own shield, breaking his arm or no-selling his blows, like above.

Cap has good showings against him, too, but it doesn't happen too often.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
I disagree.

He actually wtfpwned Cap several times.

Intercepting and beating him with his own shield, breaking his arm or no-selling his blows, like above.

Cap has good showings against him, too, but it doesn't happen too often.
Cap has koed him three times. That's more than Hulk has achieved.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Cap has koed him three times. That's more than Hulk has achieved.

One time, I remember.

In Gruenwald's run, Namor was mind-controlled by Controller.

The third time was a Mister Sinister's clone.

Nope, three times.

https://i.postimg.cc/BP317ByJ/7825977-6012645329-02-Hmf-Pyt-Vm-B-DTy-NZPh-Gdl-VW3m-u-HSKVB6-O5sb9-ZGVCspt-NOh-Ze-Vb-R08-Cj-Ld-Y6a-YI5-MLv64-RY4-s160.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/64h4kGJn/7825979-1439085657-mrpalh-HXkg3-I8-CQ4q-FXNI6pnh1k-VASs-Ukkj-Yn-DNp-JZtgidb65-Sgdp-G9y1i-Zn-XMs-CSSEt-YM7p-2-EREFM86.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/PNn3ksn5/7825980-3481443108-ip-Opmg44zhxl6-Mgpf1-ABj-Li-Hrz-LGUOYSly-PKIBxp-NQ9-K0-AA-y-RWo-YWUopd4-X4lk7u-Jd83f-R1-RW1-O56z-BR.jpg

+That Gruenwald's scene.

Both were cheapshots, but nice.

I was thinking of that fair 1v1 fight, where Cap with a torn suit and mask barely beat Namor in h2h.

I think Namor was super dehydrated in that first scan, no?

Cap cheapshot is class 100





Somebody have scand of unamped Namor doing well against mind controlled Ike Harris?

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
He did get Hydro-Man's powers. Had the Serpent Crown, too (not sure if he still does or is affected by it).

But, most importantly, there's this "righteous rage" amp which is not exactly clear. But his performance was crazy. In the Avengers scans that you ignored, old man. They were reposted 333 times.

lol

of course that showing was awesome, but it was so far out of character for him it didn't really seem to apply. that's why i was asking if the feat has been replicated and if the amp were sort of...official. if the jury is still out, not sure it's enough to totally erase his more typical showings throughout his career.

in general i think namor>ben, but ben has always done well at hitting above his paygrade (see most fights with hulk...) so it isn't as cut-and-dry (pun intended) as just who has the better strength feats.

Originally posted by leonidas
lol

of course that showing was awesome, but it was so far out of character for him it didn't really seem to apply. that's why i was asking if the feat has been replicated and if the amp were sort of...official. if the jury is still out, not sure it's enough to totally erase his more typical showings throughout his career.

in general i think namor>ben, but ben has always done well at hitting above his paygrade (see most fights with hulk...) so it isn't as cut-and-dry (pun intended) as just who has the better strength feats.

Out of character or not, that is current Namor.

He's like that in the whole Avengers run, character-wise. And outside of it, too (like that time when he fought Chulk or got confronted by Steve and Tony).

You could argue that he is being manipulated or affected by the Serpent Crown --- there are some details on the matter, but the physical amp itself came out of nowhere, sort of. Still, it was very noticeable --- both Thor and Namor himself commented on it, so we can't pretend there is no amp.

then

if that's the case, and what he did to the avengers is taken at face value, he should clear this i'd think.

Namor isn't beating Thing and Colossus.

He'd be hard-pressed to beat them individually.

You're still afraid of the Internet or you managed to explore other sites aside from kmc?