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The Left is the Devil?

Because apparently people of colour are too stupid or lazy or get their own ID. That's basically what I think whenever I hear it. Same type of thing with shit like "Voting guides for muslims" and shit like that. "This is who you can vote for, we think you are too stupid or lazy to form your own opinions so we will lay it out for you who you should vote for."

It's pretty racist, tbh.

I agree with you, Trocity.

Originally posted by wxyz
Title.

The logic is that some people of color can not afford to pay the fee for drivers licenses. Or, that they simply don't have them, for whatever reason.


When people of color are judged to be uniquely burdened by something, relative to whites (Or other protected classes), this is called "disparate impact".

The reason for this impact simply does not matter, under this logic. If a disparate number of blacks chose to not vote, for their own reasons, this too would be considered a problem.

I've seen stressing over the fact one group of immigrants simply refused to engage the political process. They would not self advocate, period, and refused all help. This was considered a problem, because it uniquely affected them adversely, and therefore was a "disparate impact".


Or the tl:dr version, because Democrats demand "equality of outcome", and minories with no form of ID do not have an equal outcome to anyone else who has some form of ID.

What has been FUN has been when Repubs have pretty much said We will Make Getting ID's Free and the Lefty Fascist PhuckHards still go "No That REEEECIST!!!"

Fphuck Lefties.

I've grown up around plenty of dirt poor white folks that couldn't afford shite, poverty ain't exclusive to POCs.

Thats RACIST TALK MISTER!

Yeah I own that.

You so gonna wind up in a Re-Education Camp!

Maybe they'll have the good donuts.

Lefties are Full On Health Nazies. The Doughnuts WILL SUCK!

Democrats /Health Nazies want to go Full No Fun Fascists on Your Soda.

Originally posted by wxyz
The Left is the Devil? I'm lefty, in the arm and the leg. Fvck you.

Originally posted by Blakemore
I'm lefty, in the arm and the leg. Fvck you.

Yes. We already knew you were incapable of Actually Doing LOGIC!

Originally posted by Trocity
Because apparently people of colour are too stupid or lazy or get their own ID. That's basically what I think whenever I hear it. Same type of thing with shit like "Voting guides for muslims" and shit like that. "This is who you can vote for, we think you are too stupid or lazy to form your own opinions so we will lay it out for you who you should vote for."

It's pretty racist, tbh. Too stupid? No. Too poor? Quite possibly, do you dispute that various forms of government identification often cost money? Do you think that people living in poverty can't as readily go out and get one, due to issues with money and lack of transportation?

It's also funny that the biggest "gubment bad" guy (wxyz) on the forum wants the government to regulate who can and can't vote.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Too stupid? No. Too poor? Quite possibly, do you dispute that various forms of government identification often cost money? Do you think that people living in poverty can't as readily go out and get one, due to issues with money and lack of transportation?

It's also funny that the biggest "gubment bad" guy (wxyz) on the forum wants the government to regulate who can and can't vote.

They do cost money, yeah. They can be around 30-50 dollars, depending on what form you get(at least where I live). I do think it could stop people who live in poverty from purchasing it, but it is a pretty basic necessity. It's often necessary in order to be able to rent a place to live and things of that nature, everyone should have an ID.

The idea that requiring someone to show valid ID in order to vote for the leader of the country is racist is a silly thing to claim regardless.

I think it is in part racist because the intend is to disenfranchise more black people (and poor people generally). That is, the politicians advocating for this generally do so for racist reasons, as voter fraud with or without voter id is a negligible problem, while poll taxes are a real and continuous problem in the American democratic process.

Originally posted by Artol
I think it is in part racist because the intend is to disenfranchise more black people (and poor people generally). That is, the politicians advocating for this generally do so for racist reasons, as voter fraud with or without voter id is a negligible problem, while poll taxes are a real and continuous problem in the American democratic process. My opinion too.

You are such a joiner bro

Originally posted by BrolyBlack
You are such a joiner bro triggered by agreement

Originally posted by NemeBro
Too stupid? No. Too poor? Quite possibly, do you dispute that various forms of government identification often cost money? Do you think that people living in poverty can't as readily go out and get one, due to issues with money and lack of transportation?

It's also funny that the biggest "gubment bad" guy (wxyz) on the forum wants the government to regulate who can and can't vote.

Whether or not poor people can go out as "readily" as non poor people and get id is a non issue.

It only takes a work day to get an id, and they last typically 4 years.

And as for the Government regulating who can and cannot vote, I don't know what you're talking about.

Originally posted by Nuke Nixon
I've grown up around plenty of dirt poor white folks that couldn't afford shite, poverty ain't exclusive to POCs. I think your missing the core problem which cdtm did a great job of talking about.

No one is saying that white people aren't poor as well but poverty disproportionately effects African Americans more than it does white people is what is talked about.

Also African Americans tend to be poor in more urban areas while white people tend to be more poor in rural areas. This also effects how poverty influences people.

Basically though anything that effects poor people tends to disproportionately effect African Americans.

I think you should have voter id laws only if the government delivers valid id to every citizen free of charge and without any extra work for the citizen. If they do that I have no problem with that. If it costs you money, time, and is obfuscated in other ways I am opposed to it.

Originally posted by Artol
I think you should have voter id laws only if the government delivers valid id to every citizen free of charge and without any extra work for the citizen. If they do that I have no problem with that. If it costs you money, time, and is obfuscated in other ways I am opposed to it. I think this is a pretty mature stance to have.

In the uk we have the electoral roll. It's free to be on it.

Originally posted by Nuke Nixon
I've grown up around plenty of dirt poor white folks that couldn't afford shite, poverty ain't exclusive to POCs.


You're right. There are PLENTY of dirt poor white people.


But there has to be even more people of color, as the entire argument depends on disenfranchised people who can't vote with voter id laws in place, because they have no photo id (Or in many cases, as car).

Originally posted by Artol
I think you should have voter id laws only if the government delivers valid id to every citizen free of charge and without any extra work for the citizen. If they do that I have no problem with that. If it costs you money, time, and is obfuscated in other ways I am opposed to it.

The id rhetoric is all about a core issue: How do you curb voter fraud.


Of course, the left says voter fraud isn't an issue, but I still feel its pretty reasonable to ask about the protections in place, as historically photo id's have been the stop gap measure of choice in just about anything that requires proof of identity.

Originally posted by Artol
I think you should have voter id laws only if the government delivers valid id to every citizen free of charge and without any extra work for the citizen. If they do that I have no problem with that. If it costs you money, time, and is obfuscated in other ways I am opposed to it.

Do you feel the same about all the other things that currently require an ID to do/buy?

Everyone realizes that poor people come in all skin tones, yes?

Even many white people are poor and may have have just as much problems/difficulties with getting an ID as poor black or brown people. So the argument that it is the reason why it is supposedly "racist" is BS.


Voter id's should be required for all to vote.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
Top notch!

What a lame post.

Posting this

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^more thrilling.

Originally posted by BrolyBlack
What a lame post.

Posting this

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^more thrilling. Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
triggered by agreement

Originally posted by BrolyBlack
You are such a joiner bro

Originally posted by eThneoLgrRnae
Everyone realizes that poor people come in all skin tones, yes?

Even many white people are poor and may have have just as much problems/difficulties with getting an ID as poor black or brown people. So the argument that it is the reason why it is supposedly "racist" is BS.


Voter id's should be required for all to vote.

Top notch!

Wait up, since citizens are given a social security number... why can't that be the voter ID?

Originally posted by cdtm
The id rhetoric is all about a core issue: How do you curb voter fraud.


Of course, the left says voter fraud isn't an issue, but I still feel its pretty reasonable to ask about the protections in place, as historically photo id's have been the stop gap measure of choice in just about anything that requires proof of identity.

I agree that the rhetoric is about voter fraud, but the core of the voter id debate is not voter fraud, that is just the removed issue that is openly talked about. What is at the core of the voted id debate is what demographics vote for whom and how can you steer that to your own benefit.

I also say that the core it not voter fraud, because we can just look at research that shows that the type of voter fraud that a voter id can feasibly prevent is a non-issue in the United States, and that other places outside the United States also function perfectly fine without it.

Originally posted by wxyz
Whether or not poor people can go out as "readily" as non poor people and get id is a non issue.

It only takes a work day to get an id, and they last typically 4 years.

If you believe that poor people having greater difficulty acquiring a government ID (which you think they should need to vote) is a "non-issue" then you're either mentally handicapped or, as I suspect, pushing a narrative to disenfranchise people who would be more likely to vote against your own political beliefs.

There are a lot of people in poverty whom hold onto what little money they have that isn't going into necessities to save for emergency expenses that come up from time to time. Or they just don't really have much disposable income at all in some cases. Or they just don't value voting enough to go out and spend money on an ID and would rather spend what little disposable income they have someplace else. All of these are valid enough reasons and you can frankly go **** yourself if you think they shouldn't be allowed to vote for who they want leading the country they live and pay taxes in just because they can't effortlessly drop the money to pay whatever they have to for a government ID, and for some people the costs are well over a hundred dollars and require a lot of travel when they don't necessarily have a vehicle of their own.

A better question is why do you think voter ID laws are so necessary? What scary boogeymen has convinced you of their necessity?



If you need a government ID to vote in elections then the government is in fact regulating who can and can not vote.

Originally posted by eThneoLgrRnae
Everyone realizes that poor people come in all skin tones, yes?

Even many white people are poor and may have have just as much problems/difficulties with getting an ID as poor black or brown people. So the argument that it is the reason why it is supposedly "racist" is BS.


Voter id's should be required for all to vote. So what? Poor white people being kept from voting is also horrible.

But while poor people come in all colors, they are disproportionately ethnic minorities, in this case black or hispanic. Or to put it another way, a far greater percentage of black and hispanic people live in poverty compared to white people (and much less than asian people incidentally).

That is why it is considered racist, because it affects a far larger percentage of black and hispanic people than it does white people. And also because it is obviously a targeted disenfranchisement of them because those demographics tend to largely vote democrat.

Voter ID is effectively a poll tax. Over 20-million eligible voters do not have a government-issued ID. And the cost of the underlying documents to obtain one range for $75 to $175. The travel required is an additional burden. For some rural Americans, the nearest ID office is 170 miles away. Never mind that many ID offices operate only part-time. One office in Georgia, for example, is only open on the fifth Wednesday of the month, which is only four times a year. Most wage earners do not have paid time off, and live paycheck-to-paycheck. They simply cannot afford to take an unpaid day off work, arrange transportation, and spend the entire day traveling and waiting in line at an ID office to spend money they do not have on ID, so they can exercise their constitutional rights.

I completely understand why lefties don't want voter id to be a requirement for voting: it makes it much harder for their side to get away with cheating.

So of course they're going to make up all kinds of excuses for why it shouldn't be mandatory.

And it is no shock that democrats don't think voter fraud is a big deal since it is those on their side who're typically doing the cheating.

Originally posted by NemeBro
If you believe that poor people having greater difficulty acquiring a government ID (which you think they should need to vote) is a "non-issue" then you're either mentally handicapped or, as I suspect, pushing a narrative to disenfranchise people who would be more likely to vote against your own political beliefs.

There are a lot of people in poverty whom hold onto what little money they have that isn't going into necessities to save for emergency expenses that come up from time to time. Or they just don't really have much disposable income at all in some cases. Or they just don't value voting enough to go out and spend money on an ID and would rather spend what little disposable income they have someplace else. All of these are valid enough reasons and you can frankly go **** yourself if you think they shouldn't be allowed to vote for who they want leading the country they live and pay taxes in just because they can't effortlessly drop the money to pay whatever they have to for a government ID, and for some people the costs are well over a hundred dollars and require a lot of travel when they don't necessarily have a vehicle of their own.

A better question is why do you think voter ID laws are so necessary? What scary boogeymen has convinced you of their necessity?



If you need a government ID to vote in elections then the government is in fact regulating who can and can not vote.

Here in Canada, Voter ID is just common sense, you have to prove who you are in order to vote.

I find it shocking that people don't see that.

As for the cost and time.

I still don't see it as an argument, just excuses.

And as for the Government requiring ID to vote = the Government regulating who votes.

You're right.

And that's a good thing, not a bad thing like you're making it out to be.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Voter ID is effectively a poll tax. Over 20-million eligible voters do not have a government-issued ID. And the cost of the underlying documents to obtain one range for $75 to $175. The travel required is an additional burden. For some rural Americans, the nearest ID office is 170 miles away. Never mind that many ID offices operate only part-time. One office in Georgia, for example, is only open on the fifth Wednesday of the month, which is only four times a year. Most wage earners do not have paid time off, and live paycheck-to-paycheck. They simply cannot afford to take an unpaid day off work, arrange transportation, and spend the entire day traveling and waiting in line at an ID office to spend money they do not have on ID, so they can exercise their constitutional rights.

So would you be in favor of the Government giving every Citizen a free form of ID that can be used for Government services including voting?

Originally posted by wxyz
Here in Canada, Voter ID is just common sense, you have to prove who you are in order to vote.

I find it shocking that people don't see that.

As for the cost and time.

I still don't see it as an argument, just excuses.

And as for the Government requiring ID to vote = the Government regulating who votes.

You're right.

And that's a good thing, not a bad thing like you're making it out to be.

People already have to establish their identity in order to register to vote. The system is pretty good at preventing, detecting, and punishing fraud. That is why there is virtually none.

Originally posted by wxyz
So would you be in favor of the Government giving every Citizen a free form of ID that can be used for Government services including voting?

Of course. The only objection to voter ID is that it is unnecessarily burdensome to obtain it. If the government issued them to everyone for free, then no one would care.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Of course. The only objection to voter ID is that it is unnecessarily burdensome to obtain it. If the government issued them to everyone for free, then no one would care.

I'm in favor of that too.

But glad we agree that you should provide ID to vote, whether or not the Government provides it free of charge.

Originally posted by wxyz
I'm in favor of that too.

But glad we agree that you should provide ID to vote, whether or not the Government provides it free of charge.

No, we do not agree. I said I did not object to voter ID if the government provides it to everyone for free. I did not say I think it is necessary.

Some people on this forum are so good at being dicks.

Voter ID isn't racist but a lot of the people who want it implemented are.

People comparing this to a driver's license are stupid or confused. Driving is a privilege, voting is a right. You shouldn't have to pay to be able to vote.

I guess the government should cover my transportation costs and wages too, right?

Originally posted by wxyz
I guess the government should cover my transportation costs and wages too, right?

Since voting is a Constitutional right (Voting Rights Act of 1965) of every citizen in the US, yes, the government should cover all cost related to having a voter id, if a voter id is to be mandatory.

Only bigots think what would amount to another poll tax is not both racially and class motivated.

Originally posted by Robtard
Since voting is a Constitutional right (Voting Rights Act of 1965) of every citizen in the US, yes, the government should cover all cost related to having a voter id, if a voter id is to be mandatory.

Only bigots think what would amount to another poll tax is not both racially and class motivated.

Okay Robtard.

Originally posted by wxyz
I guess the government should cover my transportation costs and wages too, right? That is not a bad idea, I like where you are going.

Originally posted by wxyz
I guess the government should cover my transportation costs and wages too, right?

If you're employed by the government...

Originally posted by Robtard
Since voting is a Constitutional right (Voting Rights Act of 1965) of every citizen in the US, yes, the government should cover all cost related to having a voter id, if a voter id is to be mandatory.

Only bigots think what would amount to another poll tax is not both racially and class motivated. In the UK we have the electoral roll, it costs us nothing.

So, the argument is that people shouldn't have to pay in order to exercise their rights?

Originally posted by wxyz
Okay Robtard.

Except of course these laws have historically negatively targeted certain groups.

Originally posted by Silent Master
So, the argument is that people shouldn't have to pay in order to exercise their rights? In a free open and egalitarian society, that's what usually happens.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
In the UK we have the electoral roll, it costs us nothing.

I'm so happy Boris won.

Originally posted by Robtard
Except of course these laws have historically negatively targeted certain groups.

I guess Canadians are bigoted then.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
In the UK we have the electoral roll, it costs us nothing.

That's because it's a product itself. They don't charge you to be on it. They charge organisations to access it.

Originally posted by wxyz
I guess Canadians are bigoted then.


I was speaking about the US, I don't know enough about Canadian poll tax history.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
In a free open and egalitarian society, that's what usually happens.

Should that also apply to the 2nd amendment?

What do you suggest the government pay for in regards to the 2nd Amendment?

A mandatory voter id would cut down on a lot of voter fraud. Yes, I know that's the real reason leftists/democrat-voters don't want it.

Originally posted by eThneoLgrRnae
A mandatory voter id would cut down on a lot of voter fraud. Yes, I know that's the real reason leftists/democrat-voters don't want it.


durwank

Originally posted by eThneoLgrRnae
A mandatory voter id would cut down on a lot of voter fraud. Yes, I know that's the real reason leftists/democrat-voters don't want it.

I wonder how many mail in ballots Robtard sent in.

Originally posted by wxyz
I wonder how many mail in ballots Robtard sent in.

Just the four.

One for each of your secret sock accounts that only the secret gang know about?

Originally posted by wxyz
I wonder how many mail in ballots Robtard sent in.


No telling. Probably dozens.

Originally posted by Robtard
What do you suggest the government pay for in regards to the 2nd Amendment?

Sounds like gun owner registration to me. What a great idea, S&M!

Originally posted by Robtard
What do you suggest the government pay for in regards to the 2nd Amendment?

We can start with no ID being required for either voting or getting a gun.

Originally posted by Silent Master
We can start with no ID being required for either voting or getting a gun. No. You moron.

Originally posted by Blakemore
No. You moron.

You want to tax someone's constitutional right?

Originally posted by Silent Master
You want to tax someone's constitutional right? to own a gun? I mean, if you're shooting pheasants or pigeons, sure. If you wanna shoot a human, I'd say , "no gun for you"

Originally posted by Blakemore
to own a gun? I mean, if you're shooting pheasants or pigeons, sure. If you wanna shoot a human, I'd say , "no gun for you"

That didn't answer the question I asked.

The question was. You want to tax someone's constitutional right?

Originally posted by Silent Master
That didn't answer the question I asked.

The question was. You want to tax someone's constitutional right? To what?

Originally posted by Silent Master
That didn't answer the question I asked.

The question was. You want to tax someone's constitutional right?

Is there already sales taxes on guns?

Originally posted by Blakemore
I'm lefty, in the arm and the leg. Fvck you.

Wat?

I'm a lefty.

Originally posted by jaden_2.0
Is there already sales taxes on guns?

Hence my question about whether people's stance of "rights shouldn't be taxed" extend to the 2nd amendment.

@Blake Thought you were a Centrist.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Hence my question about whether people's stance of "rights shouldn't be taxed" extend to the 2nd amendment.

I suppose it comes down to how you view it.

Having to pay for a voter ID is like having to buy the right to vote.

You don't buy the right to own a gun. You already have that right for free. You just buy the gun.

Originally posted by jaden_2.0
That's because it's a product itself. They don't charge you to be on it. They charge organisations to access it. That's quite true. But, it's also not a bad thing.

Originally posted by jaden_2.0
I suppose it comes down to how you view it.

Having to pay for a voter ID is like having to buy the right to vote.

You don't buy the right to own a gun. You already have that right for free. You just buy the gun.

Same is true for needing an ID to get a gun.

You don't need a specific gun buying ID.

Originally posted by jaden_2.0
You don't need a specific gun buying ID.

You don't need a specific voting ID.

All things depending in some places you are required to take several hours of courses on guns before you are given an id.

Originally posted by Silent Master
You don't need a specific voting ID.

That's what's being proposed.

Originally posted by jaden_2.0
That's what's being proposed.

No, it's not. what is being proposed is needing an ID to vote. not needing a specific ID that can only be used to vote.

I don't really care for constitutional arguments, history has shown you can interpret the constitution however you want, and I'm much more interested in ethical and outcome based arguments regarding policy proposals.

Originally posted by Silent Master
No, it's not. what is being proposed is needing an ID to vote. not needing a specific ID that can only be used to vote.

Well make it so. Give it away for free to anyone with a social security number and allow it to be used as an ID for purchasing guns.

That way only citizens can vote or buy guns.

Sorted.

Originally posted by wxyz
@Blake Thought you were a Centrist. no, i'm left handed and left footed but in political terms i'm centrist. make sense?

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Sounds like gun owner registration to me. What a great idea, S&M!

Sounds good to me. Every gun is registered and every owner's name goes in a registry and it should be free.

Originally posted by jaden_2.0
That's what's being proposed.

SilentMaster is very slow in the head.

Originally posted by Robtard
SilentMaster is very slow in the head.



No, he's right. No one thinks there should be an id specifically for voting. Just that voting should require some form of picture id.

You're wrong again, star.

If we're wrong. go ahead and quote the person that is calling for an ID that can only be used for voting.

Originally posted by Robtard
You're wrong again, star.

Nope, I'm right yet again... as I always am.

Keep lying though, Rob.

Originally posted by Robtard
You're wrong again, star.

Originally posted by eThneoLgrRnae
Nope, I'm right yet again... as I always am.

Keep lying though, Rob.

Originally posted by Robtard
You're wrong again, star. Bingo!

Wrongo!

As if Leftists are fooling anybody with this racism shit.

We all know why they don't want Voter ID.

Originally posted by wxyz
As if Leftists are fooling anybody with this racism shit.

We all know why they don't want Voter ID. You are Pigeonholing people mate.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
You are Pigeonholing people mate.

If the pigeon fits..

The Left wants massive mail in voting, and no Voter ID.

They can't be up to anything.

I'm sure 2020 was not a test run for anything.

Originally posted by wxyz
If the pigeon fits.. Don't get so OTT, it sounds like you need a neurosurgeon mate

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
Don't get so OTT, it sounds like you need a neurosurgeon mate

Maybe you need a lobotomy, chap.

Originally posted by Robtard
Sounds good to me. Every gun is registered and every owner's name goes in a registry and it should be free.

You want the Government to know who has guns and where they are?

I'm sure that'll go well.

Originally posted by wxyz
Maybe you need a lobotomy, chap. Your grudgeoning seems burgeoning. Don't be a little Napoleon

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
Your grudgeoning seems burgeoning. Don't be a little Napoleon

When are you leaving the forum?

Do people really want voter id laws to be like gun laws?

Where in order to buy a gun from a federally licensed seller u need id, so in order to vote at a licensed poll u would need one.

But since there is no federal law (only differing state laws) requiring id for purchases between same state private sellers/buyers ie gun shows, sales to friends, relatives, associates etc... Would people be ok with the government letting private citizens set up private voting booths where no id and no other regulations or requirements are necessary and letting the states individually decide on whether or not to allow it?

Originally posted by wxyz
When are you leaving the forum? In about a month.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
In about a month.

Good.

Go be with with your hot wife.

Originally posted by wxyz
Good.

Go be with with your hot wife. I may come back at some point though I have left for years before.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
I may come back at some point though I have left for years before.

And I'll be waiting.

Pooty isn't going anywhere, unfortunately.

He's all talk.

Originally posted by wxyz
And I'll be waiting. Someone has to be mate

Originally posted by Raptor22
Do people really want voter id laws to be like gun laws?

Where in order to buy a gun from a federally licensed seller u need id, so in order to vote at a licensed poll u would need one.

But since there is no federal law (only differing state laws) requiring id for purchases between same state private sellers/buyers ie gun shows, sales to friends, relatives, associates etc... Would people be ok with the government letting private citizens set up private voting booths where no id and no other regulations or requirements are necessary and letting the states individually decide on whether or not to allow it?

If private citizens want to hold an election for a private position, they can set whatever rules they want.

Originally posted by Silent Master
If private citizens want to hold an election for a private position, they can set whatever rules they want. why not for public positions?

When someone buys a gun in a private sale with no id they can still carry them in public.

Originally posted by Raptor22
why not for public positions?

When someone buys a gun in a private sale with no id they can still carry them in public.

How is that even remotely the same thing?

Originally posted by wxyz
How is that even remotely the same thing? Are u really asking me how 2 rights given to American citizens under the constitution are remotely the same?

Originally posted by Raptor22
why not for public positions?

When someone buys a gun in a private sale with no id they can still carry them in public.

Exactly, private sale = private election. the person that wins that private election can walk around in public all they want.

Originally posted by Raptor22
Are u really asking me how 2 rights given to American citizens under the constitution are remotely the same?

Originally posted by Silent Master
Exactly, private sale = private election. the person that wins that private election can walk around in public all they want. where did u get private sale=private election? Its more like Private sale = private voting

Originally posted by Raptor22
where did u get private sale=private election? Its more like Private sale = private voting

Private gun sales are sales between two private citizens with no government involvement. therefore the equivalent would be voting between private citizens with no government involvement.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Private gun sales are sales between two private citizens with no government involvement. therefore the equivalent would be voting between private citizens with no government involvement.

Leftists don't understand logic.

I don't think that's true, people from across the political spectrum understand (or don't understand) logic, there's just a lot of different values and people have different experience and information that they rate more or less important. I'm not just saying that cause I am a leftist and believe myself to understand logic though, I swear.

Originally posted by Silent Master
No, it's not. what is being proposed is needing an ID to vote. not needing a specific ID that can only be used to vote.

That is not true. In half of states with voter ID laws, legitimate forms of photo ID that those state governments will accept for identity verification purposes in all other instances cannot be used to vote. That defacto requires otherwise eligible voters to get a specific voter ID.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Not a public election, a government election. there is no government involvement in a private gun sale between two citizens

The right to possess the firearm from that private transaction is not a private right, any more than the right to franchise is.

This is where you're mistaken. the constitution doesn't grant rights. it recognizes them

firearms are acceptable in some circumstances, yes. However, some lunatics misuse them and kill other humans, hence, gun control. Dickhead.

Were you trying to make a point?

yes

What was your point supposed to be?

you can own a gun and use it for hunting but if you're a nutcase who might shoot another human then no. Hence, background check.

Originally posted by Blakemore
you can own a gun and use it for hunting but if you're a nutcase who might shoot another human then no. Hence, background check.

What does that have to do with anything?

I think wxyz (Neon) has had why voter id is racist explained to him excellently in this thread by many people. If he doesn't get it... I certainly as an impartial non American understand why its racist now.

I think peeps who shoot other peeps should have their gun taken away. Anyone else agree?

There is absolutely NOTHING racist about having to have a picture id in order to vote... nothing.


It's just a pathetic excuse leftists use to justify people not having to verify who they are when voting.

In other words, they know it makes it much harder for them to get away with cheating when an id is required, and that is just totally unacceptable to them, so they scream "it's racist!".


Not a single person in this thread has come even remotely close to giving a solid reason why a mandatory id for voting is racist.

Originally posted by Silent Master
This is where you're mistaken. the constitution doesn't grant rights. it recognizes them



Leftists think rights come from the Government, they do not.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
I think wxyz (Neon) has had why voter id is racist explained to him excellently in this thread by many people. If he doesn't get it... I certainly as an impartial non American understand why its racist now.

Originally posted by eThneoLgrRnae
There is absolutely NOTHING racist about having to have a picture id in order to vote... nothing.


It's just a pathetic excuse leftists use to justify people not having to verify who they are when voting.

In other words, they know it makes it much harder for them to get away with cheating when an id is required, and that is just totally unacceptable to them, so they scream "it's racist!".


Not a single person in this thread has come even remotely close to giving a solid reason why a mandatory id for voting is racist.