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I respect everyone's right to freedom to worship as they wish as long as their religion does not negatively affect others.

I do ask though, why would a God require constant affirmation from his creations, be they a toy, pet, lab experiment or work of art?

Yeah, why doesn't the watch worship its creator?

Why can't the iPhone worship Steve Jobs?

Heathens.

Why does Whirly need constant affirmation from Leftists?

Originally posted by Neon1234
Why does Whirly need constant affirmation from Leftists? Other way around, and he does

The same question can go for many other religions as well.

Originally posted by victreebelvictr
The same question can go for many other religions as well. Does it specify a religion?

The answer: He doesn't.

He glorified His own name. And will again.

Originally posted by victreebelvictr
The answer: He doesn't. Job might disagree, for Christianity... if you are a Christian and Islam literally means submission.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
Job might disagree, for Christianity... if you are a Christian and Islam literally means submission. But that doesn't at all mean God (assuming that it is a perfect being) "needs" it.

Originally posted by victreebelvictr
But that doesn't at all mean God (assuming that it is a perfect being) "needs" it. You believe in the Bible, right?


Exodus 20:2-6

"I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery. "You shall have no other gods before me. "You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, but showing love to a thousand of those who love me and keep my commandments.

21Jesus replied, “Believe me, dear woman, the time is coming when it will no longer matter whether you worship the Father on this mountain or in Jerusalem. 22You Samaritans know very little about the one you worship, while we Jews know all about him, for salvation comes through the Jews. 23But the time is coming—indeed it’s here now—when true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and in truth. The Father is looking for those who will worship him that way.24For God is Spirit, so those who worship him must worship in spirit and in truth.”

John 4 21–24

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
You believe in the Bible, right?


Exodus 20:2-6

"I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery. "You shall have no other gods before me. "You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, but showing love to a thousand of those who love me and keep my commandments.

21Jesus replied, “Believe me, dear woman, the time is coming when it will no longer matter whether you worship the Father on this mountain or in Jerusalem. 22You Samaritans know very little about the one you worship, while we Jews know all about him, for salvation comes through the Jews. 23But the time is coming—indeed it’s here now—when true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and in truth. The Father is looking for those who will worship him that way.24For God is Spirit, so those who worship him must worship in spirit and in truth.”

John 4 21–24 None of what you just posted supports your position.

Originally posted by victreebelvictr
None of what you just posted supports your position. Disagree.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
Disagree. Okay. Explain to me how it does support your philosophy.

Originally posted by victreebelvictr
Okay. Explain to me how it does support your philosophy. self explanatory text

It's in caps.

Originally posted by Blakemore
It's in caps. It is!

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
self explanatory text I agree with that.

Don't see how giving laws to His followers has anything to do with "needing" our support.

The jealousy part displays that He wants us to accept His gift of eternal life very badly. Jealousy by definition does not equal need.

I see what you were thinking though.

Jealousy is desire though.

Originally posted by Neon1234
Jealousy is desire though. God can desire. He needs nothing.

I think He desires that His plans of perfection are carried out. This would make sense considering the fact that He is also perfect.

Though, don't quote me on that.

So god needs desire.

Originally posted by Blakemore
So god needs desire. No one needs desire.

god does

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
I respect everyone's right to freedom to worship as they wish as long as their religion does not negatively affect others.

I do ask though, why would a God require constant affirmation from his creations, be they a toy, pet, lab experiment or work of art? Because he created you out of love

Originally posted by HumbleServant
Because he created you out of love 🤦‍♂️

Belief n a loving God = ignorance of THE FACTS and the lacking of BASIC math skills.

Originally posted by victreebelvictr
I agree with that.

Don't see how giving laws to His followers has anything to do with "needing" our support.

The jealousy part displays that He wants us to accept His gift of eternal life very badly. Jealousy by definition does not equal need.

I see what you were thinking though.

want verb To be deficient by the absence of some part or thing, or to feel or have a need.

A perfect being is not deficient, and does not experience absence, or have feelings, or needs.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
want verb To be deficient by the absence of some part or thing, or to feel or have a need.

A perfect being is not deficient, and does not experience absence, or have feelings, or needs. Dude, you're applying logical thought to the religion forum. They don't like logic.

Originally posted by victreebelvictr
"have a desire to possess or do (something); wish for." - Oxford Dictionary

He did not create evil. We did.

The verse does not literally mean that God created evil, for that is a mess up in the English translation I suppose.

Here is a link for it: https://www.gotquestions.org/Isaiah-45-7.html Of course Sabaoth created evil, because he is evil. He is singularly responsible for all suffering. If he isn't, for argument's sake, then why let it exist? Why create a world so drastically imperfect that these things come about? And if he created humans, and humans did create evil, then Sabaoth created the potential for evil.

Are you saying that humans were able to create something that your God didn't envision? Isn't that a bit of a contradiction?


Also, in that assessment of the line from Isaiah: The word translated "evil" is from a Hebrew word that means "adversity, affliction, calamity, distress, misery." ... yeah, sounds like God created evil to me. Why create adversity, affliction, calamity, distress, and misery unless you are purposefully allowing suffering into the world, or unless you made a catastrophic mistake?


Sabaoth is either supremely evil or completely incompetent.

Originally posted by Scribble
Of course Sabaoth created evil, because he is evil. He is singularly responsible for all suffering. If he isn't, for argument's sake, then why let it exist? Why create a world so drastically imperfect that these things come about? And if he created humans, and humans did create evil, then Sabaoth created the potential for evil.

Are you saying that humans were able to create something that your God didn't envision? Isn't that a bit of a contradiction?


Also, in that assessment of the line from Isaiah: The word translated "evil" is from a Hebrew word that means "adversity, affliction, calamity, distress, misery." ... yeah, sounds like God created evil to me. Why create adversity, affliction, calamity, distress, and misery unless you are purposefully allowing suffering into the world, or unless you made a catastrophic mistake?


Sabaoth is either supremely evil or completely incompetent. Good questions. These are things I might go over in my "The Good News" thread.

So, till then, maybe this link will answer your questions: https://www.str.org/w/why-did-god-create-people-if-he-knew-so-many-would-go-to-hell-

Originally posted by victreebelvictr
I am actually about to write something in regards to the Holy Standards of God.

It really is hard to come to terms with them. If it is true that He is holy, His standards are definitely way higher and harder to grip then our own.

If you are interested, you may take a look.

God bless. It's probably a lot harder to come to terms with the fact that your belief has made you a hateful person, contravening Jesus's teachings. So many Christians venerate Sabaoth and Paul, and ignore the red letters of Christ. You are not a Christian; you are an Abrahamite, or perhaps a Paulite. In fact, you barely ever mention Christ, but you talk about Sabaoth a lot, and have quoted Romans, which is the essential Paul text.

But sure, I'll read whatever you write, as long as it isn't book-length. I have better mystical texts to be studying in that case.

in the Bible, God does not need anything from anyone

"God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;
Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;"
Acts 17:24-25

He is God from eternity to eternity

"Before the mountains were brought forth, and thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from eternity to eternity thou art God."
Psalms 90:2

His Godhood will not diminish without affirmations, and will not be supplemented with it

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!


I do ask though, why would a God require constant affirmation from his creations, be they a toy, pet, lab experiment or work of art?


From the Islamic perspective Allah does not need anything. He's not a jealous God.

Worshipping God is simply the path to truth and righteousness for us:

1) to humble ourselves,

2) treat others as equals (we pray in a straight line alongside others, no matter their race or status).

3) to be mindful of our actions in daily life.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
You believe in the Bible, right?


Exodus 20:2-6

"I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery. "You shall have no other gods before me. "You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, but showing love to a thousand of those who love me and keep my commandments.

21Jesus replied, “Believe me, dear woman, the time is coming when it will no longer matter whether you worship the Father on this mountain or in Jerusalem. 22You Samaritans know very little about the one you worship, while we Jews know all about him, for salvation comes through the Jews. 23But the time is coming—indeed it’s here now—when true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and in truth. The Father is looking for those who will worship him that way.24For God is Spirit, so those who worship him must worship in spirit and in truth.”

John 4 21–24 Originally posted by victreebelvictr
None of what you just posted supports your position.

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Originally posted by victreebelvictr
Okay. Explain to me how it does support your philosophy.
Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
self explanatory text


El.Oh.El. Deflections and denials. That's about all you can expect from the devout when you literally lay out evidence right in front of them. They instantly regress to the most childish retorts. Might as well say, "I know you are, but what am I?"

This thread is dumb.s