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2 high powered skyfathers seem unable to get it done, mostly because of magic. how about one uber reality manipulator?

lol no, i'm not trolling galan...

Prime Wins, Prime always wins.

could be... anyway, this is the galactus's pal version of franklin.

Originally posted by leonidas
could be... anyway, this is the galactus's pal version of franklin. Prime wins Leo, Just accept this fact and move on, Prime is Prime. Do not try and explain it, do not think about it. It is what it is, till he gets jobbed eventually as all characters do. Look at Sentry getting torn in half.

sentry has an extensive history of jobbing in the past

prime has jobbed a couple times already as well

Originally posted by MrMind
sentry has an extensive history of jobbing in the past

prime has jobbed a couple times already as well All true, but Prime's highs are higher than Franklins or Sentry's.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
All true, but Prime's highs are higher than Franklins or Sentry's.

oh no doubt

sentry shouldn't even be in this discussion

i actually like prime. lol i don't mind him winning matches, but where do we draw the line? maybe i should have put him up against superman....

Originally posted by leonidas
i actually like prime. lol i don't mind him winning matches, but where do we draw the line? maybe i should have put him up against superman....
We know Superman needs help to beat him.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
Prime wins Leo, Just accept this fact and move on, Prime is Prime. Do not try and explain it, do not think about it. It is what it is, till he gets jobbed eventually as all characters do. Look at Sentry getting torn in half. He actually already jobbed more than once, people just act like it never happened.

Originally posted by Parmaniac
He actually already jobbed more than once, people just act like it never happened. You mean Superboy etc... to a point no doubt.

and shazam/black adam....teen titans...

compare to franklin, he has higher highs and lower lows

Originally posted by MrMind
and shazam/black adam....teen titans...

compare to franklin, he has higher highs and lower lows All to a point, I don't see those as true jobbing. He is more powerful now though. He is at his peak. True, about higher highs and lower lows. But the present Prime is Prime plus plus isn't he?

I actually think if Franklin fights smart, he should win without much problem

Now, if he plays stupid like 90% of MM users do, he loses. Prime would kill him with a punch

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
All to a point, I don't see those as true jobbing. He is more powerful now though. He is at his peak. True, about higher highs and lower lows. But the present Prime is Prime plus plus isn't he?

I can assure you the outcome will have something to do with the company they belong to.

Originally posted by Parmaniac
I can assure you the outcome will have something to do with the company they belong to.

lol welcome to battle forum, thanks for pointing out the wet water

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
Prime wins Leo, Just accept this fact and move on, Prime is Prime. Do not try and explain it, do not think about it. It is what it is, till he gets jobbed eventually as all characters do. Look at Sentry getting torn in half.

Did people forget before his fight against BMWL, Prime got knocked out by Captain Marvel and Black Adam?

Originally posted by Galan007
Johns' Shazam series is odd, because given the events of Death Metal, I don't know how it could possibly fit in the timeline..?

In the Shazam series, Prime was imprisoned(by someone?) in a magical realm called the "Monsterlands", and kept under red sunlight for an untold amount of time before he was released:
https://ibb.co/6JV6nW6
https://ibb.co/6FrLKcj
https://ibb.co/Nr4TQg6
https://ibb.co/K0B73d0

...Then he was given to the JL after his defeat in the same series:
https://ibb.co/v199q6Q


But per Death Metal, Prime stated that he had been imprisoned on the Source Wall(as per the events of Teen Titans), then was freed when it was destroyed, and immediately began assisting TBWL:
https://ibb.co/cNBhkMp

So I don't even know if Prime's showings in the Shazam series are even canon, tbh. srug


At any rate, it was stated in the Shazam series that, despite being resistant to magics, Prime could still be hurt by them(that's how Shazam+BA beat him):
https://ibb.co/fCz65q6
https://ibb.co/hMwSGGd

But given some of the magical attacks that Prime has outright tanked under Johns, BA and Shazam using magics to beat him seem like more of a testament to how damn powerful their magics were intended to be(ie. FAR beyond Lo3W Mordru, for starters.)


Either that, or Prime was actually weakened in that series... Which is also a strong possibility, imo, and would help explain said vulnerability.

In issue #11, Prime was released from his prison in the Monsterlands after being kept there, depowered by a red sun:
https://ibb.co/K0B73d0

In issue #13, Prime is still in the Monsterlands looking for a way out:
https://ibb.co/JvP1qWh
(and it didn't seem like sunlight was exactly prevalent in the Monsterlands.)

In issue #14, Prime is transported back to earth in the middle of the night(so once again, devoid of sunlight):
https://ibb.co/PZ3smvv
*His loss to Shazam/BA occurred in the same issue.

...And thanks to SCW, we know it takes some time for the entirety of Prime's power to be restored after he's been completely depowered:
https://ibb.co/b6SYWdd


So it's worth mentioning because at no point was Prime's power stated, shown, or implied to have been fully restored after his release... And it's not like there was some huge gap in time between issues, which would allow us to logically deduce that he was back to 100%. The issues/arc all took place in rapid succession. /shrug

Also, Prime got hurt by magic on numerous of occasions in this story and they outright say it damages him AND it ended with him get ktfo out the end of the fight...


https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Shazam-2019/Issue-14?id=175216

Originally posted by Parmaniac


He wasn't weakened because he had his solar draining suit on and nothing pointed to him being weakened.

The story is Canon because it basically leads to Primes existence in the DCNU, also, nothing points to it being non-canon. I saw Galan post and even though it was unique, nothing stated or shown there even hints to it being a non-canon event or Prime being weakened.

I disagree with 1 or 2 things of his post but overall I thought it was definately worth quoting here.

Originally posted by carver9
He wasn't weakened because he had his solar draining suit on and nothing pointed to him being weakened. Having the suit doesn't mean Prime is at full power by default. In SCW, for example, Prime(in his suit) was explicitly shown on the moon being exposed to some degree of sunlight for multiple issues:
https://ibb.co/sstfn6V
https://ibb.co/nDk2fzj

Yet by the time Prime actually got to earth, he still wasn't at full power:
https://ibb.co/tctf2kF

This is important because at no point in the Shazam series was Prime stated to be at full power, nor did we see him under a yellow sun, nor was there a large gap in time where we could have logically assumed he was back at full power.

So it IS possible that he was weakened there.

Originally posted by carver9
The story is Canon because it basically leads to Primes existence in the DCNU, also, nothing points to it being non-canon. I saw Galan post and even though it was unique, nothing stated or shown there even hints to it being a non-canon event or Prime being weakened. Huh? Prime's backstory in the Shazam series is COMPLETELY contradicted by his backstory in Death Metal.

According to Carver, when SBP has his suit on he's basically invincible.

Did the Darkest Knight job the phuck out? Enquiring minds want to know.