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Would pay to see classic Orion vs. BRB.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Hulk

yeah this would be an awesome battle. not sure but i think i'd take bill 5.5/10 the hammer is just too good against energy and would negate the astro force.

Originally posted by leonidas
yeah this would be an awesome battle. not sure but i think i'd take bill 5.5/10 the hammer is just too good against energy and would negate the astro force.
Not really. Orion would rip him apart at this point. Too powerful.

Originally posted by lawest9
All powers and weapons allowed, no bfr.

When Orion destroys a planet we'll talk about him being on Bill's level.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
When Orion destroys a planet we'll talk about him being on Bill's level. I could be wrong but I remember reading someone saying that Orion destroyed something far bigger than a planet.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
When Orion destroys a planet we'll talk about him being on Bill's level.

Originally posted by lawest9
I could be wrong but I remember reading someone saying that Orion destroyed something far bigger than a planet.

There's context to that.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Not really. Orion would rip him apart at this point. Too powerful.

what do you mean at this point? did he get some recent amp or something? what makes you think he's more powerful now than he used to be?

Originally posted by leonidas
what do you mean at this point? did he get some recent amp or something? what makes you think he's more powerful now than he used to be?
He treated Hal like nothing, casually shrugged off Mogo's attacks and destroyed a solar system by just shockwaves of his fight with a nth metal golem.

New Gods are absurdly powerful now.

Orion

Originally posted by abhilegend
He treated Hal like nothing, casually shrugged off Mogo's attacks and destroyed a solar system by just shockwaves of his fight with a nth metal golem.

New Gods are absurdly powerful now.

but no "official" power up? just a couple high showings?

Originally posted by leonidas
but no "official" power up? just a couple high showings?

Orion Pax?


Optimus Prime beats Hulk.

Beta Ray Bill wins.

Orion resisted Mogo's gravity attack. Something that the entire corps has a problem with. Bill aint doing anything.

Originally posted by leonidas
but no "official" power up? just a couple high showings?
What, he has like ten appearances in New 52/Rebirth era and he is uber in all of that.

Originally posted by abhilegend
What, he has like ten appearances in New 52/Rebirth era and he is uber in all of that. What has he done in those ten appearances?!

All outliers. I need 11 showings.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
All outliers. I need 11 showings.

I personally need 12, just to feel what it's like

lol like seagulls when someone scatters popcorn... so i wonder how that UTTERLY off panel star system feat would have been viewed by you lot if carver or alberto would have tried to claim that "feat" for a marvel character...? i mean ffs.

know who else treated hal like a complete chump? zod. until the rematch. a hero getting treated like a chump for effect is....comics 101. why do i need to explain this...? "confused:

given his ltd showings, how you jump to the conclusion that orion is now super uberz beyond what he was!!1! is frankly, hilarious. and i LOVE orion (though his recent dialogue sucks imo). prior to these appearances, orion has DOZENS of crazy feats. i mean mogo barely did anything to orion. one random blast? i know the burden of proof regarding dc characters is well below any proof needed for marvel guys around here, but c'mon....

so, since he didn't receive any actual power up, i'll need more than those 2 "feats" and the one totally non-feat to say he's more powerful than his classic self. oh wait,--he has like 11 recent appearances. that must mean he has at least 11 awesome feats, right? that's what y'all are implying? damn, i can't wait to see those.

This is the new kmc old man.






Kidding aside i take Orion in a close fight. Stormbreaker's energy absorbing could be an issue, but Orion has enuff in his arsenal to take it me thinks.

Originally posted by leonidas
lol like seagulls when someone scatters popcorn... so i wonder how that UTTERLY off panel star system feat would have been viewed by you lot if carver or alberto would have tried to claim that "feat" for a marvel character...? i mean ffs.

know who else treated hal like a complete chump? zod. until the rematch. a hero getting treated like a chump for effect is....comics 101. why do i need to explain this...? "confused:

given his ltd showings, how you jump to the conclusion that orion is now super uberz beyond what he was!!1! is frankly, hilarious. and i LOVE orion (though his recent dialogue sucks imo). prior to these appearances, orion has DOZENS of crazy feats. i mean mogo barely did anything to orion. one random blast? i know the burden of proof regarding dc characters is well below any proof needed for marvel guys around here, but c'mon....

so, since he didn't receive any actual power up, i'll need more than those 2 "feats" and the one totally non-feat to say he's more powerful than his classic self. oh wait,--he has like 11 recent appearances. that must mean he has at least 11 awesome feats, right? that's what y'all are implying? damn, i can't wait to see those.

Calm down, dear

I thought that was very calm.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Calm down, dear There's nothing that gets leo angrier than DC characters being much more powerful than they were 15 years ago.

It's like hitting Betty in front of Banner.

Originally posted by leonidas
but no "official" power up? just a couple high showings?

Orion has always been super uber. Like Lobo.

Remember when he KO'd Superman?

And has very consistently matched, or even had an advantage over, since the Post Crisis era. Like when Darkseid brainwashed him into thinking he was his son. Or when he was the only one in the JLA who could evenly fight him in Superman: King of the World. Or Death of the New Gods, or the New52 fight where Supermans best only amused him.

Oh oh.

The writer was essentially trying to push New Gods to the moon as threats, in a general sense. If anything, you can argue lanterns were nerfed, and not any sort of buffing of NG characters.

Highfather was also painted as the "villian", so they weren't even in character.

In my Op I intended for this to include both pre 52 and 52 versions of Orion.

Originally posted by leonidas
lol like seagulls when someone scatters popcorn... so i wonder how that UTTERLY off panel star system feat would have been viewed by you lot if carver or alberto would have tried to claim that "feat" for a marvel character...? i mean ffs.

Off panel? Are you high? We actually see them fighting with Shockwaves travelling across which destroyed the solar system. And then Kyle confirmed it in the next issue.

https://i.postimg.cc/tswCT4Bp/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/fthzcg4P/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/hzbSpbct/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/bSyqMDwH/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/9zCXzSYR/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/grszhDgM/image.jpg

How the **** is that off panel?

Zod was amped on two suns and treated an amped Kyle like nothing (who could destroy Mogo accidentally) before Hal beat the crap out of him.

Seriously? One blast? I mean c'mon, have you given this account to Alberto?

Here's the entire scene:

http://i.imgur.com/XeJ3xVB.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/8aG45FL.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/T1lb4Hc.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/cNIY6le.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/nRnEaO4.jpg

Mogo tries to alter gravity which has owned hundreds of black Lanterns and suspended multiple green Lanterns casually, he then blasts Orion and continues blasting but Orion pretty much ignored it and took the GL ring.



Why would he need a powerup when he was rebooted?

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
This is the new kmc old man.






Kidding aside i take Orion in a close fight. Stormbreaker's energy absorbing could be an issue, but Orion has enuff in his arsenal to take it me thinks.
Its not close, at all. Hal alone would destroy Bill, forget Orion.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Off panel? Are you high? We actually see them fighting with Shockwaves travelling across which destroyed the solar system. And then Kyle confirmed it in the next issue.

https://i.postimg.cc/tswCT4Bp/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/fthzcg4P/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/hzbSpbct/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/bSyqMDwH/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/9zCXzSYR/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/grszhDgM/image.jpg

How the **** is that off panel?

Zod was amped on two suns and treated an amped Kyle like nothing (who could destroy Mogo accidentally) before Hal beat the crap out of him.

Seriously? One blast? I mean c'mon, have you given this account to Alberto?

Why would he need a powerup when he was rebooted?

Kyle asks whether it was Orion himself who destroyed the system via their shockwaves. That's not confirmation 🥴

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Kyle asks whether it was Orion himself who destroyed the system via their shockwaves. That's not confirmation 🥴
Shut up idiot.

So you're throwing insults now?

Go away troll

Originally posted by abhilegend
Off panel? Are you high? We actually see them fighting with Shockwaves travelling across which destroyed the solar system. And then Kyle confirmed it in the next issue.

https://i.postimg.cc/tswCT4Bp/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/fthzcg4P/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/hzbSpbct/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/bSyqMDwH/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/9zCXzSYR/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/grszhDgM/image.jpg

How the **** is that off panel?

Zod was amped on two suns and treated an amped Kyle like nothing (who could destroy Mogo accidentally) before Hal beat the crap out of him.

Seriously? One blast? I mean c'mon, have you given this account to Alberto?

Here's the entire scene:

http://i.imgur.com/XeJ3xVB.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/8aG45FL.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/T1lb4Hc.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/cNIY6le.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/nRnEaO4.jpg

Mogo tries to alter gravity which has owned hundreds of black Lanterns and suspended multiple green Lanterns casually, he then blasts Orion and continues blasting but Orion pretty much ignored it and took the GL ring.



Why would he need a powerup when he was rebooted?

it's off panel because....we don't actually see the fight...? it's obviously a shared feat, but how much did one contribute vs the other? orion admitted to having no chance, and was one-shot when he finally reached the lanterns. space cheese at best.

so now you're trying to tell me we just assume the gravity attack that worked on those lanterns was the exact same as he tried on orion? and that blast was the best mogo could offer? seriously. you've turned into prep, grabbing at the first half-cool feat you see.

seriously. you troll rage for looking at every thor book for feats and blowing them out of proportion, but you try and sell us that orion is suddenly more uber than he's ever been based on these couple of things? c'mon. by doing that you severely demean his feats BEFORE rebirth. like i said, i'll be happy to bz orion vs orion if you're so confident this post rebirth orion is so much more uber than his previous incarnation. lol

as it stands, it's wayyyyyyy too early to even begin to make that type of assessment.

I think the point is Orion's performances are super uber during new 52 and rebirth with only 10 appearances or so. Whether he gets amp or not, Those showings just show us how powerful he is

Originally posted by leonidas
it's off panel because....we don't actually see the fight...? it's obviously a shared feat, but how much did one contribute vs the other?

Im still iffy on that feat. Originally that looked to me it was the nth golem attacking O'ryan. It's most likely the case cuz O'Ryan seemed to flee for his life by boom tubing out of ground zero. The art on the energies is virtually identical to other golems' energies except for the golem's color. Then u add that part of the fight was obviously off panel.

I have no clue what you guys are discussing I just wanna be a part of the conversation

@celey. that's my point about the golem. cool? yes? quantifiable in regards to orion? not at all imo. but more importantly, it shouldn't matter. pre-rebirth orion has some HUGE feats--feats that are 100% beyond those that have been shown by him so far. idc if everyone thinks orion win this match, but the idea that orion is now suddenly more powerful than he ever was is....ridiculous, given some of his past feats.

Some of Orion's most powerful feats are Pre-Flashpoint, anyway. In the Godhead arc, the writers did want to push the NG's as the Multiverses (not universal) powerhouses. One of the Council of Eight made Larfleeze look like an idiot, for example.

Originally posted by leonidas
it's off panel because....we don't actually see the fight...? it's obviously a shared feat, but how much did one contribute vs the other? orion admitted to having no chance, and was one-shot when he finally reached the lanterns. space cheese at best.

Lolwut? We do see the fight. Shared feat doesn't mean Orion was contributing 1% of the power.

He died because of omega beams, not by the blasts.

I'm sorry but this is just hilarious. "This is the best", what else should I be using here?

Yes, he is. Post Crisis Orion would not handle Hal that easily or destroy a solar system with just Shockwaves. Your need to equalise everything is blinding you.

Yeah, we should wait for another decade to do that. 🙄🙄🙄

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Im still iffy on that feat. Originally that looked to me it was the nth golem attacking O'ryan. It's most likely the case cuz O'Ryan seemed to flee for his life by boom tubing out of ground zero. The art on the energies is virtually identical to other golems' energies except for the golem's color. Then u add that part of the fight was obviously off panel.


The fight destroyed the solar system, Orion boom tubed from near Golem to Lanterns because he wasn't even in the star system he destroyed, he was some distance away.

Its clearly stated that it was his fight with golem whose Shockwaves destroyed the solar system.

Originally posted by leonidas


@celey. that's my point about the golem. cool? yes? quantifiable in regards to orion? not at all imo. but more importantly, it shouldn't matter. pre-rebirth orion has some HUGE feats--feats that are 100% beyond those that have been shown by him so far. idc if everyone thinks orion win this match, but the idea that orion is now suddenly more powerful than he ever was is....ridiculous, given some of his past feats.


I'd like to see post Crisis Orion destroy a solar system by fighting somewhere else.

i'd actually like to SEE it happen too, instead of some random space cheese. lol but wait, why post crisis? the new gods weren't affected by crisis....

and i disagree completely--i think orion would have beat hal down in any era, but i'm curious--you don't think a really serious hal could do any better against orion?

it's funny though--i've seen you (and others) ridicule carver for claiming that glads easily contained an explosion that was going to destroy half the solar system because it was never really shown how he did it but we saw the explosion and have reed's word. so even if we assume orion was somehow responsible for half the energy, at best that same level of energy was contained by gladiator decades ago.

and it's not about a need to equalize--it's about putting high and low feats in a wider context so we don't lose track of the CHARACTER itself. something your need to scale from high feats alone always ignores.

Leo, I think you first need to understand the difference between shockwaves and direct destruction before you can actually counter abhi

i understand the difference pretty clearly, i think. but i would like to see who struck the blows, how the shockwaves were generated. did the golem strike a planet hard enough to destroy it and the shockwave wiped out everything else? did orion use the af to parry a blow?

it's a cool feat, but off-panel stuff like that just never carries as much weight for me as it would if we were shown the battle. /shrug

Originally posted by leonidas
i understand the difference pretty clearly, i think. but i would like to see who struck the blows, how the shockwaves were generated. did the golem strike a planet hard enough to destroy it and the shockwave wiped out everything else? did orion use the af to parry a blow?

it's a cool feat, but off-panel stuff like that just never carries as much weight for me as it would if we were shown the battle. /shrug I know it doesn't -- and won't carry any weight for you, of course. I've seen people like carver, alberto etc. argue for hollow planets, small planets, etc. This is nothing personal, we all have our biases, the way "we want things to be" or "we want things to be the way they were, otherwise this forum sucks! so irrational!". I'm sure you can even say, even though the panel literally shows the Golem and Orion standing in front of each other attacking seconds before Hal appears -- you'll find some reasons that there's a non-published page somewhere that you can't see where Orion is actually hitting a random stray planet/asteroid that we don't see, and they actually don't even hit each other to destroy the solar system just as a side-effect!

But -- the point is that, no matter how many excuses -- most people here go "hey, that's nice, they hit each other and the solar system is completely destroyed just as a side effect"

In the end -- you can put how much stock you want into that. You can put how much stock you want into Orion bulldozing Hal in his own series where he is written at an insane level. Where his power is a supernova, where Kyle almost accidentally destroys Mogo with his power, etc. You can ignore any type of power feats, and just focus on fights. You can really do anything. It's your prerogative.

But -- let's not pretend we don't know what this is. Or a "this forum sucks". Or "abhi is trolling".

Truth of the matter is -- and I know this rubs the wrong way -- this feat is a greater collateral damage feat than anything Thor, Surfer, Hulk combined have ever performed . We are awed by Surfer planet busting against Ravenous, we are awed at Thor cracking the planet and moon as collateral damage, we are awed by WBH and Betty destroying the planet as collateral damage -- but this is somehow nebulous. Ok. Again -- how much stock you put into this is all up to you. Does this mean that Orion is greater than all of them combined or something? No, imo. But at the same time, I'm not going to go "there has to be an explanation, this can't be happpeeeeniiiing! something off panel!".

Just my 2 cents, as Galan would say.

It looks like the golem's energy signature based on the art. In later issues the other golems have identical art style when they release an attack, but with a different color that matches their own.
Then we see O'Ryan escaping the blast with a boomtube. U can see that it partially travelled with him inside the boom tube.
To me it looks like the golem blasted and caused a shockwave that propagated through the system.
Space is low density, but this is comics.
How O'Ryan was portrayed during this time, it's highly unlikely he would want to cause an attack that kills untold millions possibly billions on purpose.

I mean kyle literally said the shockwaves orion and the golem( And I know kyle used a question but weve already seen it indeed was orion and the golem) destroyed a solar system
And even though I dont think Orion would try killing millions on purpose but I dont think Orion had choice when facing the golem

Originally posted by leonidas
i'd actually like to SEE it happen too, instead of some random space cheese. lol but wait, why post crisis? the new gods weren't affected by crisis....

What more is needed? We actually see the shockwave, we actually see the planets destroyed. That's more than 90% of space feats show us.

Well, post feats of Orion in pre crisis era where he destroyed a solar system.



Haha, what? Orion looked inferior to Kyle, forget about Hal in post crisis.

We actually saw the fight, it was an absolute stomp.



No, I ridicule the "a new sun born" thing, not containing the blast part.



What exactly are the low feats of New 52 Orion?

Originally posted by Philosophia
Just my 2 cents, as Galan would say. https://i.ibb.co/jg2sB6c/ANQVopA.gif

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
It looks like the golem's energy signature based on the art. In later issues the other golems have identical art style when they release an attack, but with a different color that matches their own.
Then we see O'Ryan escaping the blast with a boomtube. U can see that it partially travelled with him inside the boom tube.
To me it looks like the golem blasted and caused a shockwave that propagated through the system.
Space is low density, but this is comics.
How O'Ryan was portrayed during this time, it's highly unlikely he would want to cause an attack that kills untold millions possibly billions on purpose.
Idiot, the shockwave happened, the solar system was destroyed, the golem was still shown fighting Orion who then escaped the golem.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Off panel? Are you high? We actually see them fighting with Shockwaves travelling across which destroyed the solar system. And then Kyle confirmed it in the next issue.

https://i.postimg.cc/tswCT4Bp/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/fthzcg4P/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/hzbSpbct/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/bSyqMDwH/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/9zCXzSYR/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/grszhDgM/image.jpg

How the **** is that off panel?

Zod was amped on two suns and treated an amped Kyle like nothing (who could destroy Mogo accidentally) before Hal beat the crap out of him.

Seriously? One blast? I mean c'mon, have you given this account to Alberto?

Here's the entire scene:

http://i.imgur.com/XeJ3xVB.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/8aG45FL.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/T1lb4Hc.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/cNIY6le.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/nRnEaO4.jpg

Mogo tries to alter gravity which has owned hundreds of black Lanterns and suspended multiple green Lanterns casually, he then blasts Orion and continues blasting but Orion pretty much ignored it and took the GL ring.



Why would he need a powerup when he was rebooted?

Orion didn't escape the fight which destroyed the solar system, it was his fight which did it.

I'll dismantle the Orion feat in a few when I get back just like the chains feat did. Another myth that needs to be busted 👍

Originally posted by abhilegend
Idiot, the shockwave happened, the solar system was destroyed, the golem was still shown fighting Orion who then escaped the golem.



Orion didn't escape the fight which destroyed the solar system, it was his fight which did it.
Shut yo bitchasss mouth unless u want this to turn into another flame war. Wuts wrong with u? U got a condition or sumthin?

First off i never said there was no shockwave. Read it again.

He was running from something as clearly shown on panel. The blast? The beams maybe?

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
I'll dismantle the Orion feat in a few when I get back just like the chains feat did. Another myth that needs to be busted 👍
Shut up trollOriginally posted by celeyhyga17
Shut yo bitchasss mouth unless u want this to turn into another flame war. Wuts wrong with u? U got a condition or sumthin?

First off i never said there was no shockwave. Read it again.

He was running from something as clearly shown on panel. The blast? The beams maybe?
Idiocy rubs me wrong way. Its pretty common actually.

Orion and golem fighting destroyed the solar system, what we see later is Orion running away from another blast.

Here, the first blast destroys the solar system.

https://i.postimg.cc/6Q57M7R2/image.jpg

We see golem blasting Orion again which is when he boom tubes away.

https://i.postimg.cc/4J5VpGtH/image.jpg

I think u got that wrong is wut im saying.

The scene with Orion getting blasted by the golem is the scene that caused the explosion(shockwave). John detected a sub-gravitational anomaly in sector 1419. It was too late by that time. I think the explosion happened already.
The monk lantern Graf was too late with his vision like he said. That vision was the scene with Orion getting blasted by the golem. The system was doomed before Hal and Kyle got there.
If u look closely at the monk lantern's eyes, u see the vision of that blast from the golem in his eyes. Easy to miss, but it's the same scene with O'Ryan getting blasted. We later find out he escaped the blast partially.

And like i said, if O'Ryan was capable of a system wide explosion i dont think he would kill off untold billions of lives on purpose like that. Just doesnt sit well.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
I think u got that wrong is wut im saying.

The scene with Orion getting blasted by the golem is the scene that caused the explosion(shockwave). John detected a sub-gravitational anomaly in sector 1419. It was too late by that time. I think the explosion happened already.
The monk lantern Graf was too late with his vision like he said. That vision was the scene with Orion getting blasted by the golem. The system was doomed before Hal and Kyle got there.
If u look closely at the monk lantern's eyes, u see the vision of that blast from the golem in his eyes. Easy to miss, but it's the same scene with O'Ryan getting blasted. We later find out he escaped the blast partially.

And like i said, if O'Ryan was capable of a system wide explosion i dont think he would kill off untold billions of lives on purpose like that. Just doesnt sit well. My interpretations orion and the golem still fighting when the solar system was destroyed
As we can see when Hal and Kyle arrived the shockwaves were still happening
https://postimg.cc/hzbSpbct
Only after they arrived orion begins using his boom tube to escape the fighting
https://postimg.cc/bSyqMDwH
https://postimg.cc/9zCXzSYR

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
I think u got that wrong is wut im saying.

The scene with Orion getting blasted by the golem is the scene that caused the explosion(shockwave). John detected a sub-gravitational anomaly in sector 1419. It was too late by that time. I think the explosion happened already.
The monk lantern Graf was too late with his vision like he said. That vision was the scene with Orion getting blasted by the golem. The system was doomed before Hal and Kyle got there.
If u look closely at the monk lantern's eyes, u see the vision of that blast from the golem in his eyes. Easy to miss, but it's the same scene with O'Ryan getting blasted. We later find out he escaped the blast partially.

And like i said, if O'Ryan was capable of a system wide explosion i dont think he would kill off untold billions of lives on purpose like that. Just doesnt sit well.
Lolwut? The blasts happened before Orion takes a second blast (Hal and Kyle arrive after the blast had destroyed the solar system).

Your post is just nonsensical. It means these things happened simultaneously:

Golem destroyed the solar system
Hal and Kyle arrive in the destroyed solar system
Orion appeared in front of them

But the chronology is the first blast destroys the solar system>Hal and Kyle appear in the solar system>Golem fires another blast>Orion flees and appears in front of Hal and Kyle.

This is basic reading comprehension.

What are you even talking about troll?

I think alberto is trying to say Orion is multiversal and bill would probably get fried instantly when facing the golem

GLC is multiversal too since they beat up an army of golems? Nice.

crylaugh

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
My interpretations orion and the golem still fighting when the solar system was destroyed
As we can see when Hal and Kyle arrived the shockwaves were still happening
https://postimg.cc/hzbSpbct
Only after they arrived orion begins using his boom tube to escape the fighting
https://postimg.cc/bSyqMDwH
https://postimg.cc/9zCXzSYR
Looking at it again they either arrived at the periphery of the system and the debris is going towards them or somewhere in the middle of the debris(?). My point still remains that the system is done and the shockwaves or at least the bulk of it has already propagated through based on the surrounding debris. The explosion already happened and O'Ryan off panel boomed out.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Looking at it again they either arrived at the periphery of the system and the debris is going towards them or somewhere in the middle of the debris(?). My point still remains that the system is done and the shockwaves or at least the bulk of it has already propagated through based on the surrounding debris. The explosion already happened and O'Ryan off panel boomed out. So you agree when Hal and kyle arrived the system had already been destroyed? IOW, it was destroyed before Orion trying to boom out his fight with the golem
If so, Then I personally think orion and the golem's fight consequently destroyed the solar system is evidently clear. I mean we see they fighting and their fight destroyed solar system. Kyle also later stated shockwaves caused the destruction of the system(And we see who caused those shockwaves).

Originally posted by abhilegend
What are you even talking about troll?

The point is it's either the Golem's sole energy and Orion quickly boom tubed himself from the area of effect or Their combined energy.
It's not SOLELY Orion and the Golems themselves are THE one portrayed as "destroys everything in their "part" Nothing more, nothing less.

The feat isn't impressive.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
The point is it's either the Golem's sole energy and Orion quickly boom tubed himself from the area of effect or Their combined energy.
It's not SOLELY Orion and the Golems themselves are THE one portrayed as "destroys everything in their "part" Nothing more, nothing less.

The feat isn't impressive.
That doesn't makes any sense.Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Looking at it again they either arrived at the periphery of the system and the debris is going towards them or somewhere in the middle of the debris(?). My point still remains that the system is done and the shockwaves or at least the bulk of it has already propagated through based on the surrounding debris. The explosion already happened and O'Ryan off panel boomed out. Originally posted by abhilegend
Lolwut? The blasts happened before Orion takes a second blast (Hal and Kyle arrive after the blast had destroyed the solar system).

Your post is just nonsensical. It means these things happened simultaneously:

Golem destroyed the solar system
Hal and Kyle arrive in the destroyed solar system
Orion appeared in front of them

But the chronology is the first blast destroys the solar system>Hal and Kyle appear in the solar system>Golem fires another blast>Orion flees and appears in front of Hal and Kyle.

This is basic reading comprehension.
Now, its changed to periphery. Classic Thorbag goal post moving. Simply can't give credit where its due, have to create random nonsense.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
So you agree when Hal and kyle arrived the system had already been destroyed? IOW, it was destroyed before Orion trying to boom out his fight with the golem
If so, Then I personally think orion and the golem's fight consequently destroyed the solar system is evidently clear. I mean we see they fighting and their fight destroyed solar system. Kyle also later stated shockwaves caused the destruction of the system(And we see who caused those shockwaves).
System pretty much kaput before they got there.

I figured O'Ryan boomed at some point after the blast to try and avoid much of it(?).
Golem causes explosion, O'Ryan booms out at some point after getting blasted away, shockwaves/explosion propagating or propgated through, lanterns arrive, O'Ryan exits tube partially damaged is what the sequence looks like.

Originally posted by abhilegend
That doesn't makes any sense.
Now, its changed to periphery. Classic Thorbag goal post moving. Simply can't give credit where its due, have to create random nonsense.
What second blast?
Show me where i established periphery or wut not u numbskull?

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
System pretty much kaput before they got there.

I figured O'Ryan boomed at some point after the blast to try and avoid much of it(?).
Golem causes explosion, O'Ryan booms out at some point after getting blasted away, shockwaves/explosion propagating or propgated through, lanterns arrive, O'Ryan exits tube partially damaged is what the sequence looks like.


What second blast?
The blast Golem fired after the first blast which destroyed the solar system. We can even see the blast coming through the boom tube.

And now we will go on for ten pages where the idiot will keep repeating the same thing "periphery, O'ryan, blah, blah, blah".

The comic spelled it out that Orion and the golem destroyed the star systems with their fight and it was mostly Orion's doing. End of story.

"That was you, wasn't it?"

https://postimg.cc/grszhDgM

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
System pretty much kaput before they got there.

I figured O'Ryan boomed at some point after the blast to try and avoid much of it(?).
Golem causes explosion, O'Ryan booms out at some point after getting blasted away, shockwaves/explosion propagating or propgated through, lanterns arrive, O'Ryan exits tube partially damaged is what the sequence looks like. But only after Hal and Kyle arrrived we see Orion boom out the fight.
By your logic, Orion boomed to some random place and somehow decided to boom back to the system again, Which never gets indicated in the comics ?
And not to mention in this scan orion looks like he gets his ass kicked by the golem while he was booming out.
https://postimg.cc/9zCXzSYR
I think the more convincing sequence should be: Orion fighting the golem,Orion and the golem's fighting destroyed the system, Orion finds out the golem is too powerful for him to deal and decides to boom out, Orion booming out while getting blasted by the golem

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
But only after Hal and Kyle arrrived we see Orion boom out the fight.
By your logic, Orion boomed to some random place and somehow decided to boom back to the system again, Which never gets indicated in the comics ?
And not to mention in this scan orion looks like he gets his ass kicked by the golem while he was booming out.
https://postimg.cc/9zCXzSYR
I think the more convincing sequence should be: Orion fighting the golem,Orion and the golem's fighting destroyed the system, Orion finds out the golem is too powerful for him to deal and decides to boom out, Orion booming out while getting blasted by the golem


No wut im saying is he boomed out at some point after the blast.
In the comic we see what i believe is the golem going boom and O'Ryan most likely getting blasted away. Thats based on that panel with him and golem and the panels with graf seeing it as a vision. U can see a tiny version of it through his eyes.
The next time we see O'Ryan is him tubing out violently and probably taking some of that explosion or shockwave with him.

As far as a second blast, i didnt add that in because the comic didnt indicate one or allude to one. I just went by the main panel where one seems to be shown.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
No he boomed out at some point after the blast.
In the comic we see what i believe is the golem going boom and O'Ryan most likely getting blasted away. Thats based on that panel with him and golem and the panels with graf seeing it as a vision. U can see a tiny version of it through his eyes.
The next time we see O'Ryan is him tubing out violently and probably taking some of that explosion or shockwave with him. So you agree Orion boomed out after Hal and Kyle arrived right? Then Orion and the golem's fight still destroyed the solar system since that solar system was already destroyed BEFORE they arrived.
And the vision I mean it still shows Orion and the golem fighting each other, Which I dont think it helps your argument tbh

What book or book's are these scans from? I'd like to read it, because what I'm seeing from the scans isn't doing much to convince me that Orion wasn't doing much more than attempting to resist a higher power than anything that he possessed.

My stance on the claim is neutral. However, what has been presented from the scans so far leads me to agree with Celey's stance. If what has been shown is the sum total of the evidence that can be presented on the claim, I find myself siding with Celey's opinion for the most part. Is there more to this than what has been presented?

Originally posted by Stoic
What book or book's are these scans from? I'd like to read it, because what I'm seeing from the scans isn't doing much to convince me that Orion wasn't doing much more than attempting to resist a higher power than anything that he possessed.

My stance on the claim is neutral. However, what has been presented from the scans so far leads me to agree with Celey's stance. If what has been shown is the sum total of the evidence that can be presented on the claim, I find myself siding with Celey's opinion for the most part. Is there more to this than what has been presented?

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hal-jordan-and-the-green-lantern-corps/chapter-26

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Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
So you agree Orion boomed out after Hal and Kyle arrived right? Then Orion and the golem's fight still destroyed the solar system since that solar system was already destroyed BEFORE they arrived.
And the vision I mean it still shows Orion and the golem fighting each other, Which I dont think it helps your argument tbh
Correct he booms out after they get around to that sector.

Yes their fight destroyed the system. Based on what I saw in the panels, the system was primarily destroyed by the golem's attack.

As far as graf's vision, it literally looks like the golem just unleashed an attack and O'Ryan is in the throngs of the onset of said attack.

And just going by how O'Ryan was portrayed during that time, him unleashing a system wide blast that would knowingly kill untold billions just does not sit well. I know he was still quite harsh at times, but doing something like that is a bit much.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Correct he booms out after they get around to that sector.

Yes their fight destroyed the system. Based on what I saw in the oanels, the system was primarily destroyed by the golem's attack.

As far as graf's vision, it literally looks like the golem just unleashed an attack and O'Ryan in the throngs of the onset of said attack. I mean Kyle literally said he cant let Orion fight the golem again because of fearing Orion and the golem fighting each other would cause a solar system level destruction again
https://postimg.cc/grszhDgM
And that doesnt make much sense Orion just standing there and letting the golem blast him.
Sure you can argue the golem did more damage than orion did when theyre destroying the solar system. But Orion still tanking the attacks of that golem( Whom you think primarily destroyed the solar system) and even contributing at the destruction of the system.
Edit:Just saw your edited post. Like I said before he probably didnt have much choice during his fight with the golem. And tbh, I think he doesnt kill on purpose but he doesnt have too much concern about the casualties either when facing those golems. See the scan I posted. He still wants to fight the golem even though the shockwaves will destroy entire solar system.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
I mean Kyle literally said he cant let Orion fight the golem again because of fearing Orion and the golem fighting each other would cause a solar system level destruction
https://postimg.cc/grszhDgM
And that doesnt make much sense Orion just standing there and letting the golem blast him.
Sure you can argue the golem did more damage than orion did when theyre destroying the solar system. But Orion still tanking the attacks of that golem( Who you think primarily destroyed the solar system) and evei contributing at the destruction of the system.
Why would he let golem blast him? O'Ryan was battling the golem wasnt he so it makes sense he's at the vicinity of the golem.

What I saw was golem going boom, O'Ryan fleeing at some point after getting blasted away, system gets destroyed, lanterns arrive, O'Ryan tubes back in.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Why would he let golem blast him? O'Ryan was battling the golem wasnt he so it makes sense he's at the vicinity of the golem.

What I saw was golem going boom, O'Ryan fleeing at some point after getting blasted away, system gets destroyed, lanterns arrive, O'Ryan tubes back in. Wait what? You admitted Orion was fighting the golem and we saw Orion boom out AFTER Orion and the golem's fight destroyed the star system since when the lanterns arrived the star system had already been destroyed.
And you saying Orion getting blasted away/fleeing away before the destruction of this star system based on..... Your conjectures? That doesnt sound convincing.

That is a really good title. Okay, so I read issues 26 and 27. My previous opinion has not changed. I find myself agreeing with Celey's opinion on this for the most part as I earlier mentioned.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
I mean Kyle literally said he cant let Orion fight the golem again because of fearing Orion and the golem fighting each other would cause a solar system level destruction again
https://postimg.cc/grszhDgM
And that doesnt make much sense Orion just standing there and letting the golem blast him.
Sure you can argue the golem did more damage than orion did when theyre destroying the solar system. But Orion still tanking the attacks of that golem( Whom you think primarily destroyed the solar system) and even contributing at the destruction of the system.
Edit:Just saw your edited post. Like I said before he probably didnt have much choice during his fight with the golem. And tbh, I think he doesnt kill on purpose but he doesnt have too much concern about the casualties either when facing those golems. See the scan I posted. He still wants to fight the golem even though the shockwaves will destroy entire solar system.

First off, there is no evidence that Orion is doing much more than fleeing. It's clear that Yuga Khan's Nth Metal Golem is the one doing the blasting, and Orion is the one in flight mode. There is no evidence that suggests that this isn't something that Beta Ray Bill could not match if we were to replace him with Orion.

The rest of your claim appears to be fabricated by events that were simply absent in the story. We never saw a battle that shows Orion in pitched combat with Yuga Khan's Nth Metal Golem. Why are you allowing your mind to convince you of something that your eyes did not see? Celey is correct here. I'd like Leo, or any other honest poster to read Hal Jordan and the Green Lanterns issues 26 and 27. Qwertyuiop in my opinion, you are fabricating erroneous evidence of an instance or instances that are simply absent in the books that are being cited.

Did you also not admit to rarely if ever reading a Marvel comic book? I'm not seeing how this Nth Metal Golem is a larger threat than Asteroth a Beta Ray Bill foe? If what took place during Hal Jordan and the Green Lanterns issues 26 and 27 is what has lead people to automatically claim that Orion would defeat Beta Ray Bill, it isn't enough, nor should it in any way allude to the idea that Orion is above Bill. Based on their showings against similarly powerful opponents, this could go either way.

Originally posted by Stoic
First off, there is no evidence that Orion is doing much more than fleeing. It's clear that Yuga Khan's Nth Metal Golem is the one doing the blasting, and Orion is the one in flight mode. There is no evidence that suggest that this isn't something that Beta Ray Bill could not match if we were to replace him with Orion.

The rest of your claim appears to be fabricated by events that were simply absent in the story. We never saw a battle that shows Orion in pitched combat with Yuga Khan's Nth Metal Golem. Why are you allowing you mind to convince you of something that your eyes did not see. Celey is correct here. I'd like Leo, or any other honest poster to read Hal Jordan and the Green Lanterns issues 26 and 27. Qwertyuiop in my opinion, you are fabricating erroneous evidence of an instance or instances that are simply absent in the books that are being cited.

Did you also not admit to rarely if ever reading a Marvel comic book? I'm not seeing how this Nth Metal Golem is a larger threat than Asteroth a Beta Ray Bill foe? If what took place during Hal Jordan and the Green Lanterns issues 26 and 27 is what has lead people to automatically claim that Orion would defeat Beta Ray Bill, it isn't enough, nor should it in any way allude to the idea that Orion is above Bill. Based on their showings against similarly powerful opponents, this could go either way. Because kyle literally saying when Orion against the golem their shockwaves dsetroyed the entire star system?
https://postimg.cc/grszhDgM
And we literally see Hal fighting the same golem and the fight didnt have the same effect when Orion fighting it
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Hal-Jordan-And-The-Green-Lantern-Corps/Issue-27?id=119927#4
Also my posts only focused on whether Orion and the golem's shockwaves destroyed the star system or not. How does I reading marvel comics matter to what I said?

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Because kyle literally saying when Orion against the golem their shockwaves dsetroyed the entire star system?
https://postimg.cc/grszhDgM
And we literally see Hal fighting the same golem and the fight didnt have the same effect when Orion fighting it
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Hal-Jordan-And-The-Green-Lantern-Corps/Issue-27?id=119927#4
Also my posts only focused on whether Orion and the golem's shockwaves destroyed the star system or not. How does I reading marvel comics matter to what I said?

You aren't comprehending Kyle's statement in the form of a question. Those shockwaves are clearly shown to be created by Yuga Khan's Nth Metal Golem. Orion is also clearly being blasted by it as well. Orion is not seen for an instant in pitched combat. The books are clearly showing the hero trying his best to survive, or stave off an attack from a superior force created to destroy him.

Originally posted by Stoic
You aren't comprehending Kyle's statement in the form of a question. Those shockwaves are clearly shown to be created by Yuga Khan's Nth Metal Golem. Orion is also clearly being blasted by it as well. Orion is not seen for an instant in pitched combat. The books are clearly showing the hero trying his best to survive, or stave off an attack from a superior force created to destroy him. Kyle said Orion and the golem's shockwaves destroyed the star system. And you trying to argue Orion just...Standing there and letting himself be blasted by the golem?
https://postimg.cc/fthzcg4P
I dont think Orion has this fetish
Also celey actually agree with me at this part
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Why would he let golem blast him? O'Ryan was battling the golem wasnt he so it makes sense he's at the vicinity of the golem.

tell me about yourself alberto, I don't know anything about you

what do you do for work? do you go to school? do you have a girlfriend? which state do you live in

@AlbertoJohnAvil
Yeah, And like I said before
https://postimg.cc/fthzcg4P
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
I mean kyle literally said the shockwaves orion and the golem( And I know kyle used a question but weve already seen it indeed was orion and the golem) destroyed a solar system

And celey actually agrees with me at this part( Orion battling the golem)
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Why would he let golem blast him? O'Ryan was battling the golem wasnt he so it makes sense he's at the vicinity of the golem.

Show the panel of Orion destroying the solar system

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Kyle said Orion and the golem's shockwaves destroyed the star system. And you trying to argue Orion just...Standing there and letting himself be blasted by the golem?
https://postimg.cc/fthzcg4P
I dont think Orion has this fetish
Also celey actually agree with me at this part

Orion was being pursued by the Nth Metal Golem. He did not seek out the construct. Yes he was being blasted by it. He had no choice in the matter as the construct was clearly stated to be after him. The reasons for this were not stated as Orion hid those facts. Reiterating this does not, and will not change the evidence that is being cited in the book. This is not meant to offend you, but your comprehension of what took place is wrong, and it has allowed for you to somehow fabricate events that were absent in the story.

If someone else would like to read those books in order to give their opinion on it, please feel free. Orion was in flight mode. The only thing that stopped it from causing more damage was for Orion to die. He did when they cut his heart out. Kyle then copied schematics, and created a device to stabilize Orion.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Wait what? You admitted Orion was fighting the golem and we saw Orion boom out AFTER Orion and the golem's fight destroyed the star system since when the lanterns arrived the star system had already been destroyed.
And you saying Orion getting blasted away/fleeing away before the destruction of this star system based on..... Your conjectures? That doesnt sound convincing.
Admitted to what? Not sure wut ure saying here. I thought i was clear on what i thought the comic showed.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Show the panel of Orion destroying the solar system So you didnt rebut my point instead you moving your goalpost again.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
@AlbertoJohnAvil
Yeah, And like I said before
https://postimg.cc/fthzcg4P

And celey actually agrees with me at this part( Orion battling the golem)

Where do you see a battle unfolding? The Nth Metal Golem in this very scene is releasing an omni blast against Orion, who then Boom Tubes away.

Originally posted by Stoic
Orion was being pursued by the Nth Metal Golem. He did not seek out the construct. Yes he was being blasted by it. He had no choice in the matter as the construct was clearly stated to be after him. The reasons for this were not stated as Orion hid those facts. Reiterating this does not, and will not change the evidence that is being cited in the book. This is not meant to offend you, but your comprehension of what took place is wrong, and it has allowed for you to somehow fabricate events that were absent in the story.

If someone else would like to read those books in order to give their opinion on it, please feel free. Orion was in flight mode. The only thing that stopped it from causing more damage was for Orion to die. He did when they cut his heart out. Kyle then copied schematics, and created a device to stabilize Orion. Eh, Yes he was being pursued by nth golems and nth golems are insane powerful. But how does it translate to Orion didnt fight back/battle the golem that chasing him?
As we see here Orion clearly trying to battle the golem
https://postimg.cc/fthzcg4P
Again like I said before
1 Orion just standing there and letting the golem blast him doesnt make any sense
2 Im perfectly fine with the golem did more damage than orion did
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998

Sure you can argue the golem did more damage than orion did when theyre destroying the solar system. But Orion still tanking the attacks of that golem( Whom you think primarily destroyed the solar system) and even contributing at the destruction of the system.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Admitted to what? Not sure wut ure saying here. I thought i was clear on what i thought the comic showed. The battle's shockwaves destroyed the star system and there is no proof Orion fleeing away during the destruction of the star system, Which I think it also the comic showed

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Eh, Yes he was being pursued by nth golems and nth golems are insane powerful. But how does it translate to Orion didnt fight back/battle the golem that chasing him?
As we see here Orion clearly trying to battle the golem
https://postimg.cc/fthzcg4P
Again like I said before
1 Orion just standing there and letting the golem blast him doesnt make any sense
2 Im perfectly fine with the golem did more damage than orion did

You aren't able to see what is going on here? Orion is in no way fighting for more than to remain alive. The very next panel shows his condition. Your inability to concede on this point is not looking too great for you. In other words just walk away. Orion did not cause the destruction, the Golem did.

@AlbertoJohnAvil
He asked a question that did orion go against the golem( Which we clearly saw he did), Not those shockwaves destroyed the star system

Originally posted by Stoic
Where do you see a battle unfolding? The Nth Metal Golem in this very scene is releasing an omni blast against Orion, who then Boom Tubes away.
Thats pretty much what I said. Golem goes boom. At some point O'Ryan mustve tubed out to get away from the devastation.

We later see O'Ryan tubing back in at a safer area where the lanterns happen to be at. Coincidence or on purpose i dont know.


Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
The battle's shockwaves destroyed the star system and there is no proof Orion fleeing away during the destruction of the star system, Which I think it also the comic showed
Yes as in the blast and by extension shockwaves which may have propagated from the blast.
But based on what was shown, im saying the blast was caused by the golem. The same blast had O'Ryan fleeing at some point and tubing back to a safer area.

The Golem caused the damage. Orion was not in combat but was being assaulted by a construct that would have destroyed him if he did not flee. Orion flees through a Boom Tube. He emerges from the Boom Tube wounded and holding his side. He is clearly not able to fight this thing head on. Qwertyuiop, why are you making this seem as if Orion vs Nth Metal Golem resembled Superman vs Doomsday (DOS)?

Originally posted by Stoic
You aren't able to see what is going on here? Orion is in no way fighting for more than to remain alive. The very next panel shows his condition. Your inability to concede on this point is not looking too great for you. In other words just walk away. Orion did not cause the destruction, the Golem did. Yes, he was trying to remain alive more than fighting, Which I dont think I denied it. I just saying it doesnt make much sense Orion just standing there and letting the golem blast him.
And like I said, Im perfectly fine with the golem primarily destroyed the solar system. But Orion still taking those attacks and contributing at the destruction of the system at some degree.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17

Yes as in the blast and by extension shockwaves which may have propagated from the blast.
But based on what was shown, im saying the blast was caused by the golem. The same blast had O'Ryan fleeing at some point and tubing back to a safer area. Like I said before, What the point I trying to argue is Orion didnt fleeing at some point during their fight. As we saw only after the lanterns arrived/Star system got destroyed THEN orion boomed out

Originally posted by Stoic
The Golem caused the damage. Orion was not in combat but was being assaulted by a construct that would have destroyed him if he did not flee. Orion flees through a Boom Tube. He emerges from the Boom Tube wounded and holding his side. He is clearly not able to fight this thing head on. Qwertyuiop, why are you making this seem as if Orion vs Nth Metal Golem resembled Superman vs Doomsday (DOS)? I dont think that was what I meant
That is the main point of my argument
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
But only after Hal and Kyle arrrived we see Orion boom out the fight.
By your logic, Orion boomed to some random place and somehow decided to boom back to the system again, Which never gets indicated in the comics ?
And not to mention in this scan orion looks like he gets his ass kicked by the golem while he was booming out.
https://postimg.cc/9zCXzSYR
I think the more convincing sequence should be: Orion fighting the golem,Orion and the golem's fighting destroyed the system, Orion finds out the golem is too powerful for him to deal and decides to boom out, Orion booming out while getting blasted by the golem
What Im trying to argue basically is: Orion boomed out AFTER the destruction of this star system

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Yes, he was trying to remain alive more than fighting, Which I dont think I denied it. I just saying it doesnt make much sense Orion just standing there and letting the golem blast him.
And like I said, Im perfectly fine with the golem primarily destroyed the solar system. But Orion still taking those attacks and contributing at the destruction of the system at some degree.

Okay. Orion was not just standing there. Orion was being assaulted and trying to flee a creature that he could only escape by dying. The Golem caused the destruction seen, while Orion fled. Orion had no more say in the matter than you or I would if a Class 100 Super Villain were after us in an attempt to end our lives.

Originally posted by Stoic
Okay. Orion was not just standing there. Orion was being assaulted and trying to flee a creature that he could only escape by dying. The Golem caused the destruction seen, while Orion fled. Orion had no more say in the matter than you or I would if a Class 100 Super Villain were after us in an attempt to end our lives.
That doesnt look like he was fleeing
https://postimg.cc/fthzcg4P
And for the supervillain example, I dont think if we were taking some attacks that can say tear apart a building or something at point blank and still just have some wounds is equal to running away from the supervillain

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Yes, he was trying to remain alive more than fighting, Which I dont think I denied it. I just saying it doesnt make much sense Orion just standing there and letting the golem blast him.
And like I said, Im perfectly fine with the golem primarily destroyed the solar system. But Orion still taking those attacks and contributing at the destruction of the system at some degree.

it's a combined feat and we can't tell how much of it was Orion alone to use as a Orion feat.....

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
it's a combined feat and we can't tell how much of it was Orion alone to use as a Orion feat..... I think nobody said it wasnt a shared feat.
The point is Orion and the golem fighting each other and their fight destroyed the star system
Originally posted by abhilegend
Off panel? Are you high? We actually see them fighting with Shockwaves travelling across which destroyed the solar system. And then Kyle confirmed it in the next issue.

https://i.postimg.cc/tswCT4Bp/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/fthzcg4P/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/hzbSpbct/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/bSyqMDwH/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/9zCXzSYR/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/grszhDgM/image.jpg

How the **** is that off panel?

Zod was amped on two suns and treated an amped Kyle like nothing (who could destroy Mogo accidentally) before Hal beat the crap out of him.

Seriously? One blast? I mean c'mon, have you given this account to Alberto?

Here's the entire scene:

http://i.imgur.com/XeJ3xVB.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/8aG45FL.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/T1lb4Hc.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/cNIY6le.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/nRnEaO4.jpg

Mogo tries to alter gravity which has owned hundreds of black Lanterns and suspended multiple green Lanterns casually, he then blasts Orion and continues blasting but Orion pretty much ignored it and took the GL ring.



Why would he need a powerup when he was rebooted?
And Orion clearly trying to fight the golem not flee from it when facing it.
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Hal-Jordan-And-The-Green-Lantern-Corps/Issue-27?id=119927#8
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Hal-Jordan-And-The-Green-Lantern-Corps/Issue-27?id=119927#9
Just like phil said, You can put how much stock you want into that but it doesnt take away the fact that their fight destroyed a star system

Even if you wanna lie and say he did contribute, it doesn't matter, and the feat is irrelevent cuz how much will never be known unless it's stated these scans alone doesn't give much detail,

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Even if you wanna lie and say he did contribute, it doesn't matter, and the feat is irrelevent cuz how much will never be known unless it's stated these scans alone doesn't give much detail, Where did I lie? Please point it out. And like I said over and over again, It was a shared feat nobody denies it, But it doesnt change the fact they blew apart a star system

The Oblivion bomb feat was much better, IMO. Orion is a beast.

Orion did nothing on panel but flee.

Originally posted by Stoic
Orion did nothing on panel but flee. Lol what?
Here we see him fighting against the golem
https://postimg.cc/fthzcg4P
And later he was trying to fight the golem again
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Hal-Jordan-And-The-Green-Lantern-Corps/Issue-27?id=119927#8
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Hal-Jordan-And-The-Green-Lantern-Corps/Issue-27?id=119927#9
Kyle even stated
"I wont let you go against that thing, Orion. Last time you tried , The shockwaves blew apart a star system"
https://postimg.cc/grszhDgM

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
That doesnt look like he was fleeing
https://postimg.cc/fthzcg4P
And for the supervillain example, I dont think if we were taking some attacks that can say tear apart a building or something at point blank and still just have some wounds is equal to running away from the supervillain

Are you smoking crack? Where in all of those scans do you see Orion attacking? The very next panel shows him Booming away. This type of shit is the main reason that the hard core DC fans must have every statement analyzed, because you guys are often caught lying, or over-inflating them. I mean, who do you think that you're dealing with here? Anyone with a phucking brain can see that Orion did nothing in those two books. Kyle neither confirms, or admits anything, as he asked a phucking question. No more, no less.

Great durability feat for Orion is all he gets. Now let's talk about that titanium box and the lead block.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Lol what?
Here we see him fighting against the golem
https://postimg.cc/fthzcg4P
And later he was trying to fight the golem again
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Hal-Jordan-And-The-Green-Lantern-Corps/Issue-27?id=119927#8
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Hal-Jordan-And-The-Green-Lantern-Corps/Issue-27?id=119927#9
Kyle even stated
"I wont let you go against that thing, Orion. Last time you tried , The shockwaves blew apart a star system"
https://postimg.cc/grszhDgM

Orion is being blown back. Kyle doesn't know anything. His statement isn't a confirmation, it's a question. He wasn't there. I'm baffled that I have to actually explain this to you.

Interesting how you ignore low showings when it suits you Stoic.

Originally posted by Stoic
Are you smoking crack? Where in all of those scans do you see Orion attacking? The very next panel shows him Booming away. This type of shit is the main reason that the hard core DC fans must have every statement analyzed, because you guys are often caught lying, or over-inflating them. I mean, who do you think that you're dealing with here? Anyone with a phucking brain can see that Orion did nothing in those two books. Kyle neither confirms, or admits anything, as he asked a phucking question. No more, no less.

Great durability feat for Orion is all he gets. Now let's talk about that titanium box and the lead block. Wait what?
You claiming the next panel Orion booming out but the comic clearly shows us that when Hal and Kyle arrived the shockwaves were still hapening. And after a few scans Orion was being blasted away by the golem indicates Orion and the golem were still fighting when Hal and Kyle arrived
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Hal-Jordan-And-The-Green-Lantern-Corps/Issue-26?id=118782#13
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Hal-Jordan-And-The-Green-Lantern-Corps/Issue-26?id=118782#14
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Hal-Jordan-And-The-Green-Lantern-Corps/Issue-26?id=118782#15
Again, You claiming Im lying but it seems like it is you who constantly lying about their fight.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Wait what?
You claiming the next panel Orion booming out but the comic clearly shows us that when Hal and Kyle arrived the shockwaves were still hapening. And after a few scans Orion was being blasted away by the golem indicates Orion and the golem were still fighting when Hal and Kyle arrived
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Hal-Jordan-And-The-Green-Lantern-Corps/Issue-26?id=118782#13
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Hal-Jordan-And-The-Green-Lantern-Corps/Issue-26?id=118782#14
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Hal-Jordan-And-The-Green-Lantern-Corps/Issue-26?id=118782#15
Again, You claiming Im lying but it seems like it is you who constantly lying about their fight.

Shockwaves that were created by the Nth Metal Golem, not Orion. Do you recall the Nth Metal Golem's omni attack that we clearly see pushing Orion back? The next thing Orion does is use a Boom Tube to get the hell out of there. He reappears on Salaak's native planet, and commits suicide as his only means of escaping the construct. Do we need a Mod ruling on this?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Interesting how you ignore low showings when it suits you Stoic.

Go away.

Originally posted by Stoic
Orion is being blown back. Kyle doesn't know anything. His statement isn't a confirmation, it's a question. He wasn't there. I'm baffled that I have to actually explain this to you. Lol, First you said Orion didnt fight against the golem and I showed the scan when Orion and the golem fighting each other.
And now you come to excuse which I already explained before.
Kyle thinks Orion and the golem fighting each other last time and weve already seen Orion and the golem's fight
Let me give you an example: We see a man walking into a restaurant then when that man walks out from the restaurant and someone asks him did he walk into the restaurant, We all know that man indeed walks into the restaurant. I dont know why I need to explain this to you, I think the logic is pretty simple?

Originally posted by Stoic
Shockwaves that were created by the Nth Metal Golem, not Orion. Do you recall the Nth Metal Golem's omni attack that we clearly see pushing Orion back? The next thing Orion does is use a Boom Tube to get the hell out of there. He reappears on Salaak's native planet, and commits suicide as his only means of escaping the construct. Do we need a Mod ruling on this? Except you claimed Orion fleeing not fighting the golem
Originally posted by Stoic
Orion did nothing on panel but flee.
But we saw he was fighting the golem on panel
https://postimg.cc/fthzcg4P
Im not even talking about who caused those shockwaves here lol. I just point out Orion did fight the golem, Which clearly happened on panel. You just need simply admitting youre wrong, But sure we can do a BZ argue was orion fighting the golem in this scene or just fleeing

Originally posted by Stoic
Go away.

It's true. When your precious Cosmic Herald Thor gets hit by a random rock thrown by a random alien and brought to his knees, you conveniently forget all about it

But when you learn about Orion and titanium/lead...

A NEW CORE MEMORY!

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Lol, First you said Orion didnt fight against the golem and I showed the scan when Orion and the golem fighting each other.
And now you come to excuse which I already explained before.
Kyle thinks Orion and the golem fighting each other last time and weve already seen Orion and the golem's fight
Let me give you an example: We see a man walking into a restaurant then when that man walks out from the restaurant and someone asks him did he walk into the restaurant, We all know that man indeed walks into the restaurant. I dont know why I need to explain this to you, I think the logic is pretty simple?

No. Orion is never seen fighting the Golem. Where did you see an exchange of blows, or any type of power struggle? You're as dishonest as the day is long, or you lack the ability to comprehend what you read. Which one is it?

Your explaination is innaccurate. Orion is in flight mode, not fight mode.

Your restaurant analogy has nothing to do with what transpires in that story. You're attempt at discrediting me has been noted, and you're still wrong. Anyone that reads that story honestly can will see that you're wrong. I wish that Pr would read it and give us his thoughts on it. Hmmmm.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
It's true. When your precious Cosmic Herald Thor gets hit by a random rock thrown by a random alien and brought to his knees, you conveniently forget all about it

But when you learn about Orion and titanium/lead...

A NEW CORE MEMORY!

Who do you think that you're dealing with here? Do you think that you're dealing with Carver? As a matter of fact I recall you stating that an entire solar system was destroyed as a side effect of a battle that Orion was in. Is this the so called battle? Put a pin in it.

Originally posted by Stoic
No. Orion is never seen fighting the Golem. Where did you see an exchange of blows, or any type of power struggle? You're as dishonest as the day is long, or you lack the ability to comprehend what you read. Which one is it?

Your explaination is innaccurate. Orion is in flight mode, not fight mode.

Your restaurant analogy has nothing to do with what transpires in that story. You're attempt at discrediting me has been noted, and you're still wrong. Anyone that reads that story honestly can will see that you're wrong. I wish that Pr would read it and give us his thoughts on it. Hmmmm.
So you are saying Orion trying to flee by flying right into the golem....?
https://postimg.cc/fthzcg4P
I dont think youre that stupid.
Not to mention when later Orion see this golem again, His solution is "making a dent at this golem" "Fighting it" as stated on panel
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Ha...-27?id=119927#8
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Ha...-27?id=119927#9
And Kyle stopped him because of fearing Orion goes against the golem and it would cause the destruction of a star system like Orion LAST TIME did
Like phil said before

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Except you claimed Orion fleeing not fighting the golem

But we saw he was fighting the golem on panel
https://postimg.cc/fthzcg4P
Im not even talking about who caused those shockwaves here lol. I just point out Orion did fight the golem, Which clearly happened on panel. You just need simply admitting youre wrong, But sure we can do a BZ argue was orion fighting the golem in this scene or just fleeing

Where do you see a fight? Do you see an exchange of assaults? What does Orion do on the very next panel? What does Orion have to do to get the Golem to stop pursuing him?

There was no battle.

Originally posted by Stoic
Who do you think that you're dealing with here? Do you think that you're dealing with Carver? As a matter of fact I recall you stating that an entire solar system was destroyed as a side effect of a battle that Orion was in. Is this the so called battle? Put a pin in it.

Lmao, knew the "who do you think" statement would come out.

No, I don't think it's Carver, although you have similar levels of intelligence and dishonesty.

Did I state that? Please quote me. Again, interesting that you have near perfect recall - relatively - for things that suit your worldview.

Yet conveniently forget items that show you up for the dishonest poster you are. Or maybe it's not dishonesty, and you genuinely forgot something from a character that had ~6 appearances total lol.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
So you are saying Orion trying to flee by flying right into the golem....?
https://postimg.cc/fthzcg4P
I dont think youre that stupid.
Not to mention when later Orion see this golem again, His solution is "making a dent at this golem" "Fighting it" as stated on panel
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Ha...-27?id=119927#8
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Ha...-27?id=119927#9
And Kyle stopped him because of fearing Orion goes against the golem and it would cause the destruction of a star system like Orion LAST TIME did
Like phil said before

Pay close attention. I read both books. Neither shows Orion doing anything other than surviving an omni blast created by Yuga Khan's Nth Metal Golem. He then flees using a boom tube. Anything more is fan fiction.

Originally posted by Stoic
Where do you see a fight? Do you see an exchange of assaults? What does Orion do on the very next panel? What does Orion have to do to get the Golem to stop pursuing him?

There was no battle.
So you trying to argue Orion fleeing the golem by fleeing right into the golem's attack-range?
And later we saw what Orion's solution when fighting the golem, He literally trying to fight it.
Kyle also couldnt let Orion go against the golem like Orion did last time
I think the logic is pretty simple and clear?

Originally posted by Stoic
Pay close attention. I read both books. Neither shows Orion doing anything other than surviving an omni blast created by Yuga Khan's Nth Metal Golem. He then flees using a boom tube. Anything more is fan fiction. So your rebuttal is....You read the comics? That doesnt look like a good one.
But like phil said, Despite the comics clearly indicate Orion and the golem were fighting each other, You still can come some excuses that they didnt fight, But we all know the fact.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
So you trying to argue Orion fleeing the golem by fleeing right into the golem's attack-range?
And later we saw what Orion's solution when fighting the golem, He literally trying to fight it.
Kyle also couldnt let Orion go against the golem like Orion did last time
I think the logic is pretty simple and clear?

The Golem was pursuing Orion. Read the scans that you posted. Orion states as much on the following pages.

Orion literally committed suicide is what he did.

Kyle, Hal, and Orion couldn't stop the Golem.

The only thing that was clear was that Orion was no match for the Golem, and that it would've followed him up your ass if he Boom Tubed there which is where he would've met his demise.

I'm actually having difficulty believing that you read the two issues that you're citing, because anyone that read it should never come to the conclusion that Orion was in pitched battle the likes that would resemble a battle waged between Superman and DOS Doomsday.

Orion was in flight mode the entire time, not fight mode. Now you'll post part of the story and ask me once again if that was a fight. Okay sure, it was Orion fighting to stay alive by running.

Originally posted by Stoic
The Golem was pursuing Orion. Read the scans that you posted. Orion states as much on the following pages.

Orion literally committed suicide is what he did.
Kyle, Hal, and Orion couldn't stop the Golem.

The only thing that was clear was that Orion was no match for the Golem, and that it would've followed him up your ass if he Boom Tubed there which is where he would've met his demise.


Lol again you just showed your dishonesty.
Orion finds out he can rid the golem by taking out his heart and relying on green lanterns to keep him alive is After his fight with the golem
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Hal-Jordan-And-The-Green-Lantern-Corps/Issue-27?id=119927#11
Before that Orion's solution literally is fighting that golem
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Hal-Jordan-And-The-Green-Lantern-Corps/Issue-27?id=119927#8
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Hal-Jordan-And-The-Green-Lantern-Corps/Issue-27?id=119927#9
It seems it is you should read the comics again, Because you clearly dont know the chronology
Originally posted by Stoic
I'm actually having difficulty believing that you read the two issues that you're citing, because anyone that read it should never come to the conclusion that Orion was in pitched battle the likes that would resemble a battle waged between Superman and DOS Doomsday.
Orion was in flight mode the entire time, not fight mode. Now you'll post part of the fight and ask me once again if that was a fight. Okay sure, it was Orion fighting to stay alive by running.
Lol, So Orion was running from the golem by running into the golem?
Again, You claimed something that I never said. Did I deny Orion was in a pitched battle, Did I say Orion can match the golem in their battle?
No, What I said literally is Orion and the golem fighting each other, Which you seem to concede now

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
So your rebuttal is....You read the comics? That doesnt look like a good one.
But like phil said, Despite the comics clearly indicate Orion and the golem were fighting each other, You still can come some excuses that they didnt fight, But we all know the fact.

Not one single person on this thread agree with you besides your daddy phil

B-BUt PhIL sAId dIS dUrr

As if his opinion matters to any comic related subject. Your head canon doesn't portray what the story shows kid

Shut up troll

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Not one single person on this thread agree with you besides your daddy phil

B-BUt PhIL sAId dIS dUrr

As if his opinion matters to any comic related subject. Your head canon doesn't portray what the story shows kid Lol, Said from the guy who legimately gets laughed in this thread.
There are I, phil, abhi have the same opinion on this subject, and there are you, stoic, celey, leo have different opinion. I dont think this argument you made holds much value

Either way, Orion indeed was engaging and fighting the golem.