Terminator (Arnold) Vs Captain America & Winter Soldier

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HumbleServant
Young terminator vs team no weapons

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KingD19
Which Terminator is Young Terminator?

riv6672
Originally posted by KingD19
Which Terminator is Young Terminator?

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KingD19
He actually has a decent chance at winning. No weapons against a being with some MCU worthy feats of his own. And although this is specifically Young Arnold Terminator, it's a T-800 and they're all built the same and all the Arnold Terminator's are basically the same guy from different timelines so the feats I believe at least track across appearances.

https://gfycat.com/creativehorribleblueshark - Pops T-800 holds up a bus one-handed.
https://gfycat.com/composedlateheterodontosaurus - Casually rips a T-600 in half.
https://gfycat.com/meagerweakhound - Original T-800 beats a door to death.
https://gfycat.com/oddglisteningairedale - Slings Rev-9 like a toy, one-handed.
https://gfycat.com/deadlydependentlangur - Tosses a guy across the room and he hits the wall, not the floor.
https://gfycat.com/polishedforkedboa - Sends a steel door flying
https://gfycat.com/wearyshowyfowl - Run over by an 18 wheeler.
https://streamable.com/tpnq - Was inside a fuel tanker when it blew up and was fine.
https://gfycat.com/elaboratejauntygypsymoth-arnold-schwarzenegger - Shatters concrete from hitting it, then smack a squad car hard enough to stop it. He's okay.
https://gfycat.com/heartfeltmadgermanwirehairedpointer - Eats multiple 40mm grenades.
https://gfycat.com/sandyreflectinganaconda - Even the act of two T-800's locking up cracks concrete beneath their feet.


A lot of the stuff he's done or tanked would seriously injure or outright kill Cap and Bucky.

riv6672
I see your point but this is a fight, not a can these guys survive what he survived scenario.

KingD19
What I mean is he's endured tougher stuff than the pair can dish out in punishment, and himself can hit hard enough to hurt and kill them.

BruceSkywalker
terminator is tough but cap/bucky win a tough match

riv6672
Originally posted by KingD19
What I mean is he's endured tougher stuff than the pair can dish out in punishment, and himself can hit hard enough to hurt and kill them.
Ah, okay. I disagree, but ty for clarifying.

ShadowFyre
Bucky Solos

Khazra Reborn
The only one that stands a chance is Pops, the others get shredded.

riv6672
Why Pops? More experience?

Jmanghan
Originally posted by riv6672
Why Pops? More experience? Pops got an upgrade at the end of the movie making him a meld of both a T-800 and a bit of the T-1000.

riv6672
Originally posted by Jmanghan
Pops got an upgrade at the end of the movie making him a meld of both a T-800 and a bit of the T-1000.
Agh! Brain fart. Thanks, J.

Khazra Reborn
Originally posted by riv6672
Why Pops? More experience?

Mostly just because Genesys was more super hero-y, so Pops had the most over the top feats IMO.

TheVaultDweller
Tough one. I think the team will struggle to inflict serious damage with just punches and kicks, but they might be able to do something if they use teamwork and combine their strength (like one grabbing the Terminator's body and pulling one way while the other tries grabbing an arm and pulls the other way or something). How powerful Bucky's vibranium arm is can also make a difference. Unfortunately, it's currently completely featless, so we'll have to wait for The Falcon and The Winter Soldier to see how it stacks up. On the flipside, the super soldiers are much faster, more agile and more skilled, so the Terminator will struggle to land a lot of clean hits IMO, especially if he has to contend with both at once.

Jmanghan
Originally posted by riv6672
Agh! Brain fart. Thanks, J. Np.

FrothByte
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The super soldiers were able to trade blows with Ironman who himself was strong enough to trade blows with Thor. Cap even won against a mid level Ultron. The T800 is not going to win on strength and toughness alone.

It'll be ouskilled, outpunched, and eventually overwhelmed.

McNasty996
I'd go with Team due to reasons mentioned mainly being able to overwhelm and coordinate together with strength thats not to far off but getting though that durability is going to be a problem.

1 v 1 h2h I can see the terminator winning a majority though, especially with combined feats(As Khazars said recent movies have really juiced up the feat list).

h1a8
Tbh i have a hard time seeing them hurt the terminator. It is quick on the grab, especially when eating a strike that does almost nothing.

riv6672
^^^haha

HumbleServant
Bump

riv6672
Still Cap & WS.

h1a8
Wrong. The have no chance. They can't even damage it.

Jmanghan
Originally posted by h1a8
Wrong. The have no chance. They can't even damage it. Cap's Vibranium Shield and Bucky's arm >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The metal pipe Reese was hitting it with.

Old Man Whirly!
I do not believe a Predator can hold back a helicopter.

KingD19
Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
I do not believe a Predator can hold back a helicopter.
A Predator no, but Pops held up a school bus for quite a long time with one arm.

Old Man Whirly!
Originally posted by KingD19
A Predator no, but Pops held up a school bus for quite a long time with one arm. Personally I think a t800 gets wrecked.

KingD19
That's fine. I just pointed out Pops has more than enough strength feats to make him stronger than Cap.

Darth Thor
Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
The only one that stands a chance is Pops, the others get shredded.


Of course he was shown to be considerably weaker than T1's T-800, but then different Canon's I guess.

h1a8
Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
I do not believe a Predator can hold back a helicopter. 2-4 tons? Should be easy for them.

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SquallX
When you say young, do you mean Terminator 1 T-800, or the one in Salvation?

The one in Salvation was far superior then the one from T1.

Jmanghan
This is kind of stupid, if Bucky lands a couple of big punches, the T-800 is going to feel it, mainly because it's being punched in the head by a near-superhuman with a ****ing Vibranium arm.

The idea that Cap and WS can't damage T-800 is laughable. It's likely to be harder for Cap because WS's punches have that crushing power, if they can get the T-800 on the ground, he just needs to ground-and-pound a bunch till it dies.

Cap on the other hand, can only throw and slap it with his shield. Eh... On second thought I dunno why he can't just shield-bash him a bunch.

The question people are wondering, can normal skin-to-metal punches from these two hurt the T-800, and no, they can't. I'm not sure why they would, the thing's survived a hell of a lot more then a punch in the face by Cap. While Cap won't suffer damage to his hand, he's unlikely to do any real damage to it.

IM's suit, btw, before people jump on me with that, was made of an alloy likely weaker then the T-800's endoskeleton, a nickel-titanium alloy or something like that is what he said. The T-800 is made of some hyperalloy, with one of the components being coltan-based so it was harder to melt, the original alloy used with the T-600 was full titanium.

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Robtard
Either Cap or Bucky could take out a T800 after a tough battle. Both of them wreck it.

NemeBro
Either Cap or Bucky would solo tbh.

h1a8
I disagree. The t-800 would break both. It's not just going to sit there and be a punching bag (although it can for a long time and it won't miss a beat). It's going to grab Cap and break something. Same with Bucky.

Old Man Whirly!
Originally posted by h1a8
I disagree. The t-800 would break both. It's not just going to sit there and be a punching bag (although it can for a long time and it won't miss a beat). It's going to grab Cap and break something. Same with Bucky. Oh, H1. Your trolling is one of the funniest things about KMC. Never change! thumb up

riv6672
Originally posted by h1a8
I disagree. The t-800 would break both. It's not just going to sit there and be a punching bag (although it can for a long time and it won't miss a beat). It's going to grab Cap and break something. Same with Bucky.
Even solo, Cap freaking STOMPS. Period.

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h1a8
You are pretty stupid. Causing cosmetic damage does nothing. If you watch the films then you know what it takes to permanently put one down. Hint: Look at the first film.

Terminator just needs to grab one of them (which is easy).

To prevent bias just imagine you were both Cap and T-800. You then had to choose to be one of them for a real fight. If you lose then you die for real.

Robtard
Fact: A small homemade pipebomb blew the T800 in two, Cap's shield and Bucky's roboarm where able to damage the Iron Man MK46 suit, so they're going to tearing into the T800.

riv6672
Originally posted by Robtard
Fact: A small homemade pipebomb blew the T800 in two, Cap's shield and Bucky's roboarm where able to damage the Iron Man MK46 suit, so they're going to tearing into the T800.
Yeah, to quote h1, h1 is
Originally posted by h1a8
pretty stupid.

h1a8
Originally posted by Robtard
Fact: A small homemade pipebomb blew the T800 in two, Cap's shield and Bucky's roboarm where able to damage the Iron Man MK46 suit, so they're going to tearing into the T800.

1. T800 was highly resistant against rifle rounds and getting smashed by trucks and all types of shit.

2. That bomb's power output >>>> both of their power output by a large margin.

3. Arguing low showings for one character vs high showings of another is unfair.

In conclusion
Bucky punches it with metal arm and does nothing. Maybe a little cosmetic damage. T-800 grabs one of them and it is over.

Robtard
Originally posted by h1a8
1. T800 was highly resistant against rifle rounds and getting smashed by trucks and all types of shit.

2. That bomb's power output >>>> both of their power output by a large margin.

3. Arguing low showings for one character vs high showings of another is unfair.

In conclusion
Bucky punches it with metal arm and does nothing. Maybe a little cosmetic damage. T-800 grabs one of them and it is over.

So? We use film feats.

With that logic, you're effectively arguing that the small pipebomb would have damaged Iron Man then, as they both damaged it. Just silly.

Agreed, why I'm not doing that thumb up

Your fanfic scenario has no basis in film feats considering Bucky's non-vibranium roboarm damaged the IM MK46 suit and IM's suits have much higher showings of durability than the T800. eg The MK3 suit in Iron Man (2008) took a tank shelling and suffered only superficial damage. Cap is strong enough to break a T800's joints with the edge of his shield, going by film feats.

h1a8
Originally posted by Robtard
So? We use film feats.

With that logic, you're effectively arguing that the small pipebomb would have damaged Iron Man then. Just silly.

Agreed, why I'm not doing that thumb up

Your fanfic scenario has no basis in film feats considering Bucky's non-vibranium roboarm damaged the IM MK46 suit and IM's suits have much higher showings of durability than the T800. eg The MK3 suit in Iron Man (2008) took a tank shelling and suffered only superficial damage. Cap is strong enough to break a T800's joints with the edge of his shield, going by film feats.

Wrong. Fiction is inconsistent. Characters in one scene are stronger and more durable than in other scenes. You should know this. This is common sense.

Cap and Bucky cant output more power than a bomb, rifle rounds, or a semi truck traveling with speed. You would be stupid if you actually believed that.

And IM from first film was stronger and more durable than I'M from civil war. This is because of fiction inconsistency.

Again you can't use a character's highest showings against another character's lowest showings. That's unfair and bias.

Cap isn't doing anything with the shield except causing cosmetic damage. Same for Bucky.

Robtard
Wrong? We use film feats here, not your imagination, deal with it.

As noted, both men have already damaged more durable metals than the T800 with roboarm and shield. Your claims fail.

You failed to counter the film feats/point I brought froth, you're done here.

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NemeBro
Originally posted by h1a8
I disagree. The t-800 would break both. It's not just going to sit there and be a punching bag (although it can for a long time and it won't miss a beat). It's going to grab Cap and break something. Same with Bucky. https://i.makeagif.com/media/5-02-2017/zYbUS5.gif

h1a8
Originally posted by Robtard
Wrong? We use film feats here, not your imagination, deal with it.

As noted, both men have already damaged more durable metals than the T800 with roboarm and shield. Your claims fail.

You failed to counter the film feats/point I brought froth, you're done here.
Now you are trolling. You didn't address anything I said. You are basically spouting stuff that no one disagrees with (we use film feats). You are using them in a faulty manner, ignoring fiction inconsistencies.

Characters operate at different durability levels in different scenes. So if a character has a contradictory lower showing then we ignore it.

Cap only caused cosmetic damage to the area of IM where you are giving his other feats from. His ankles are irrelevant.

A good showing for one character can be easily interpreted as a low showing for another character.

We must look at consistent showings to determine whether it was a low showing for IM or a good showing for Cap.

Clearly a low showing for IM when considering all things. Therefore, the showing is irrelevant.

Cap can cause cosmetic damage with the shield. I agreed with that. But that won't put T800 down. Cap gets one hit before is grabbed. Then T800 makes a wish.

KingD19
https://gfycat.com/creativehorribleblueshark - T-800 casually holds up a 12.5 ton school bus with one arm
https://gfycat.com/wastefultallbeetle-respectthreads-whowouldwin - Holds open massive blast doors that are so tall we can't see the top of them and wider than his body.
https://gfycat.com/composedlateheterodontosaurus - Tears a T-600 in half
https://gfycat.com/fortunatepointlessflickertailsquirrel-respectthreads - Threw a light pole from the parking lot inside the building hard enough to impale T-3000 to a wall.
https://gfycat.com/oddglisteningairedale - One handedly slings Rev-9 30-50 feet through a safety railing so hard he bounces off a wall
https://gfycat.com/polishedforkedboa - Punches a reinforced steel door off it's hinges and sends it flying

T-800 is plenty tough too.
https://gfycat.com/unevenactivehummingbird - Dives through helicopter blades and only his synthskin is cut in a few places.
https://streamable.com/zmql - Took him a while but shrugged off getting molten metal poured and hardened on him.
https://gfycat.com/wearyshowyfowl - Takes a headshot from a speeding 18 wheeler and then gets run over and dragged under the entire thing.
https://streamable.com/tpnq - Fine after being exploded inside a fuel tanker.
https://gfycat.com/elaboratejauntygypsymoth-arnold-schwarzenegger - His body slamming into a speeding cop car destroys it and forces it to stop
https://gfycat.com/legitimateickyclumber - Ignores skynet energy weapons
https://gfycat.com/heartfeltmadgermanwirehairedpointer - Tanks 2 40mm grenades to the face


People acting like the T-800 is gonna get stomped out seems weird to me when he's got plenty of strength and durability feats far above anything Cap or Bucky have done. Bucky's showings against Walker alone have dropped his stock a lot. And unlike Tony, Terminator will be trying to kill them from the beginning. He might not win 10/10, but he's not getting steamrolled when he is their physical superior by a lot.

FrothByte
^ Nobody ever questioned how strong or tough a T800 is, but the fact is that it's too slow and unskilled to keep up with the super soldiers. Whatever strength and durability advantage it has its not going to be enough to bridge that gap in skill.

h1a8
Originally posted by FrothByte
^ Nobody ever questioned how strong or tough a T800 is, but the fact is that it's too slow and unskilled to keep up with the super soldiers. Whatever strength and durability advantage it has its not going to be enough to bridge that gap in skill.

It showed incredible hand speed when grabbing the shotgun.
My argument is that it can absorb a hit in order to grab one of them.

Jmanghan
Originally posted by h1a8
It showed incredible hand speed when grabbing the shotgun.
My argument is that it can absorb a hit in order to grab one of them. You don't think another one of them will immediately intervene?

If you wanna get real, Reese managed to hold one off with a steel pipe for about a minute straight, it was more comfortable punching him than it was grabbing him.

If it can do "cosmetic damage", like PIERCING THE CHEST with a throw, it can probably do something like sever the neck, no?

If we're assuming Ultron in that scene and the T-800 have similar durability (though T-800 is likely weaker in that respect.)

Also the T-800 doesn't have the strength to break Bucky's vibranium arm, or punch with enough force to send a blocking Cap flying or maybe even enough to knock him over, Thor tried that and Cap was fine.

Also, again, Vibranium is absolutely stronger than the T-800's hyperalloy, so I'd imagine a punch from it with a NORMAL PERSON would do damage, let-alone a near-Superhuman like Bucky.

tkitna
This is spite. Cap and Bucky dismember any T800. Take the legs out and then take its head off.

h1a8
Originally posted by Jmanghan
You don't think another one of them will immediately intervene?

If you wanna get real, Reese managed to hold one off with a steel pipe for about a minute straight, it was more comfortable punching him than it was grabbing him.

If it can do "cosmetic damage", like PIERCING THE CHEST with a throw, it can probably do something like sever the neck, no?

If we're assuming Ultron in that scene and the T-800 have similar durability (though T-800 is likely weaker in that respect.)

Also the T-800 doesn't have the strength to break Bucky's vibranium arm, or punch with enough force to send a blocking Cap flying or maybe even enough to knock him over, Thor tried that and Cap was fine.

Also, again, Vibranium is absolutely stronger than the T-800's hyperalloy, so I'd imagine a punch from it with a NORMAL PERSON would do damage, let-alone a near-Superhuman like Bucky.

One of them intervening won't do anything. It will just absorb hits while it snaps a neck, etc.

Using low showings or PIS won't help your case. We all know that a human would be an insect to a t-800.

It wouldn't sever the neck just because it got stuck in Ultron. And if you want to pick and choose showings to be bias then I can too. There was shit less durable than Ultron that the shield couldn't penetrate. You don't see me mentioning low showings do you?

The vibranium arm is connected to Buckys flesh. Just rip it from there.

Psychotron
Originally posted by Robtard
Fact: A small homemade pipebomb blew the T800 in two, Cap's shield and Bucky's roboarm where able to damage the Iron Man MK46 suit, so they're going to tearing into the T800.

To be fair, Iron Man losing that fight was MASSIVE PIS.

marcssands14
This is a good fight. Never thought of matching them against each other

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