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Feel free to make your TOP10 list.

*sigh* retarded super fliers can be included too, even though I would prefer to exclude them from the list, as they can't really react, "live" the speed or anything, as Quicksilver elaborated on recently.


I'm gonna start with the first two obvious (?) choices:


1. FastForward ("Buried Alien"

2. Runner

Gladiator
Runner
Speed Demon
Spectrum (and she does perseve speed the same way QS does)

Hulk.

Those leg muscles are no joke.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Feel free to make your TOP10 list.

*sigh* retarded super fliers can be included too, even though I would prefer to exclude them from the list, as they can't really react, "live" the speed or anything, as Quicksilver elaborated on recently.


I'm gonna start with the first two obvious (?) choices:


1. FastForward ("Buried Alien"

2. Runner

Originally posted by carver9
Spectrum (and she does perseve speed the same way QS does)


https://m.imgur.com/ohfNTOU

https://m.imgur.com/a/7rIqFYu

Silver Runner
Norrin Rapid
Indestructible Hulk

Originally posted by carver9
Spectrum (and she does perseve speed the same way QS does)

No, she doesn't.

Even if you disregard Pietro's thoughts on the subject, he actually did lose her rather quickly when she was chasing him.

Monica's only feat is being afraid of cock and making dinner for Steve:

https://i.imgur.com/XF9n2.png

thor

Originally posted by MrMind
thor

https://media.tenor.com/images/f385b8812af0e1b24c924e4dc91c3870/tenor.gif

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Feel free to make your TOP10 list.

*sigh* retarded super fliers can be included too, even though I would prefer to exclude them from the list, as they can't really react, "live" the speed or anything, as Quicksilver elaborated on recently.


I'm gonna start with the first two obvious (?) choices:


1. FastForward ("Buried Alien"

2. Runner
We should DEFINITELY exclude fliers. Otherwise all of Galactus' heralds make the list since they capable of trans-light speeds.

Now to the list -
1) FastForward
2) Runner
3) Awakened Makkari
4) The unnamed contestants in the Great Race
https://i.postimg.cc/343kyvML/Galactic-Marathon-from-Quasar-Vol-1-58-001.jpg

That's it. Marvel really doesn't have speedsters on the level of DC. Even the best speedster in Marvel is really a DC character (despite being cut off from his power source).

So you think the likes of Quicksilver, Northstar, Speed Demon, Whirlwind and Whizzer are all beneath those contestants?

Even Pietro and Jean-Paul?

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
So you think the likes of Quicksilver, Northstar, Speed Demon, Whirlwind and Whizzer are all beneath those contestants?

Even Pietro and Jean-Paul?
Unless they've gotten massive power-ups, yes. Half the people you mentioned failed to qualify for the Great Race and couldn't even make the run from the Earth to the Moon.

Quick, someone post that scan.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Quick, someone post that scan.
https://i.postimg.cc/cgdPVsYg/image.jpg
Unawakened Makkari overtook Whizzer, Captain Marvel was disqualified because she wasn't touching the ground enought times to be considered running :
https://i.postimg.cc/jw83mytm/image.jpg

Lol I meant the recent Northstar one where he goes FTl or whatever.

https://i.postimg.cc/8zWZnMZj/14-6.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/SyhhLZ2/Mighty-Avngrs-35-p15.jpg

^Speed's top speed being 761 mph from that scene is quite stupid, imo https://i.imgur.com/RIWBIzi.jpg]

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Feel free to make your TOP10 list.

*sigh* retarded super fliers can be included too, even though I would prefer to exclude them from the list, as they can't really react, "live" the speed or anything, as Quicksilver elaborated on recently.

In terms of limb movement and not travel speed?



1a. Makkari https://i.imgur.com/LalkY5H.jpg]
1b. Tehnically Northstar is here -- but he'd die at these speeds, so I don't think he should be included just for KM's morbid satisfaction
2. Runner
3. Quicksilver -- though how you see the radio wave feat may bump him up here -- but for anybody who's read the series know he's not portrayed that fast.
4. Northstar

After this you get the likes of Speed Demon, Whizzer, Speed (YA), Hermes and a few random people. You quickly get to the likes of Spiderman.

I'm staying away from Monica because women are not allowed

runner can beat all of dc's speedsters

Runner would lose to Nightwing

https://i.ibb.co/MGksCNb/RCO029.jpg

Elder of the Universe is like Alfred level, at best.

Originally posted by MrMind
the flash fights with talking monkey Hey hey hey

What did I tell you about posting this stuff on the forum?

Originally posted by zopzop
The radio waves thing was a mistake admitted to by the writer. The idiot thought radio waves moved at the speed of sound

IMHO, Northstar is faster than Quicksilver. I would put Aurora above him too.

https://i.ibb.co/MVNq4pT/Avengers2016-688-p3.jpg

Originally posted by zopzop
The radio waves thing was a mistake admitted to by the writer. The idiot thought radio waves moved at the speed of sound


Have a source to him admitting he thought they moved at sound?

Makkari
Runner
Gladiator
Surfer
QS

Originally posted by zopzop
The radio waves thing was a mistake admitted to by the writer. The idiot thought radio waves moved at the speed of sound

Slott never admitted it.

Some poster asked him about the feat and he didn't respond, that's it.

Originally posted by zopzop
IMHO, Northstar is faster than Quicksilver. I would put Aurora above him too.

I choose to believe Magneto, who fought both and measured their dicks

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Slott never admitted it.

Some poster asked him about the feat and he didn't respond, that's it.
Do you have the scan/tweet? I could have sworn he said that.




It's not like Magneto would be biased in favor of his son or anything

Originally posted by zopzop
Do you have the scan/tweet? I could have sworn he said that.

Well, you were wrong.

It was on forum that no longer exists and the post got ignored.

Originally posted by zopzop
It's not like Magneto would be biased in favor of his son or anything

He treats him as trash, so no, he wouldn't be.

You are biased because Beaubier is gay!

One of your favorite gifs. This forum never really changes

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
I choose to believe Magneto, who fought both and measured their dicks

Tsk tsk you know the context but keep trying to push this agenda

Magneto caught northstar who wasn't serious or near his top speed. How do we know? What happened when Northstar got serious? He instantly tagged Magneto and flew into space to save Paulie. Why didn't Magento grab him there? hmmmmm?

https://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/mangeto%20northstar_zpsxnazvqsi.png

Northstar also went escape velocity, which is nothing QS at the time was capable of so that comment is way off him being slower.

Edit: try this again

http://mrwgifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Maximum-Butthurt-Achieved-Reaction-Gif.gif

That art effect could mean anything - from Northstar changing directions mid-flight to him gently rubbing dicks with Magneto, who was completely unaffected and felt happy he got Northstar occupied with something else.

Mags had no interest in grabbing him again, he wanted him elsewhere. So if they indeed made brief contact, focusing entirely on defense (erecting a forcefield) was all Mags needed.

Not sure why you're clinging to that. But I'm pretty sure it was discussed plenty of times before.

They are not always visible. Unless you want to believe that Mags has completely no-sold Northstar's flying charge without shields there?

Magnus went toe to toe with Colossus in h2h, no visible shields either, then.

Anyway, again, Mags didn't want to keep fighting him, he wanted to remove Northstar from the battlefield. He achieved his goal.



But perhaps that encounter was informative enough to let us know who operates at higher speed on average

Originally posted by -K-M-
Tsk tsk you know the context but keep trying to push this agenda

Magneto caught northstar who wasn't serious or near his top speed. How do we know? What happened when Northstar got serious? He instantly tagged Magneto and flew into space to save Paulie. Why didn't Magento grab him there? hmmmmm?
Surely you're .... joking around with Stilt, no Mungi? Magneto didn't grab him there because he was the one who let him go and told him to go save Paulie.

https://i.ibb.co/zJWJcT9/Ya-ZWTw-Heg-Qjthvw-V4-AITnq-lx-OVn-UIv0-Z4-UEd-U9qd9f-A643ir-Zjo-7-QSjioq-PR3-Xdt-V3absg-LPd-s1600.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/s91hkWQ/Nn1x-0j-L90c-Ci-Pz-Do-A0x0n-N8pfd-P2-F5-Sy5k-A1-LFi-Z4vs-Z0ss-M6-ZU-Ed-C9x4-DLEN5-NDzuk-FJD7eyv-s160.jpg


In case you're missing it -- it's right after Northstar tries to blitz Magneto, Erik grabs him by the neck mid blitz, tells him he's not faster than Quicksilver, then releases him and tells him to go fetch Paulie.

You literally have Magneto throwing him off and telling him "There, you're free".


.....


It's like grabbing your dog by the collar, throwing him a bone, telling him to go fetch that bone, and when he's running past you to fetch that bone you go "WELL WHY DIDN'T HE GRAB HIM BY THE COLLAR AGAIN?"

As I said, I assume you're joking here.

KM is ancient

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
https://i.ibb.co/MVNq4pT/Avengers2016-688-p3.jpg
I'm a broken with record with this, but we're given no time frame to actually reference here. I guess he looks up for a picosecond, but that only tells us he's running longer than a picosecond. Maybe stretch it as a reflex feat.

Don't forget though, a wildly hypersonic character (Quicksilver) would still cross the planet in an absurdly small amount of time. People would even look like statues at these levels.

If you went Mach 24,000, you'd circle Earth in around 5 seconds. That's about 5,000 miles per second or ~8 million meters/sec.

Even then, you're still no where near lightspeed. I guess a Pietro diehard could argue about the lightning panel, but I'm not on board with it myself.

Style, I swear, if Pietro had a vagina, you would never shut up about the feat

Aurora vs. Northstar, Style. Let's hear it.

Moving your head even for a picosecond is still mftl. He treats a picosecond like we would half a second. Casually.

Didn't know Pietro had it in him.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Style, I swear, if Pietro had a vagina, you would never shut up about the feat

Aurora vs. Northstar, Style. Let's hear it.

X-23 blitzes either one.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Moving your head even for a picosecond is still mftl. He treats a picosecond like we would half a second. Casually.

Didn't know Pietro had it in him.
Because he doesn't have it in him...

Even if we took it at face value, this is the definition of outlier, no? Nightcrawler breaks his teleport limit sometimes too. Not really usable on the forums though, unless the canon supports the fluctuation.

Why isn't it usable though? The ft is obviously there.

Originally posted by carver9
Why isn't it usable though?

Style hates penises, that is why.

That's the actual reason why he chooses to dismiss it.

Style's defensiveness just makes the feat more ironclad for me.

I am now Pietro's biggest fan and will defend him to the death.

Friendship with Ares ended...Now QS is my bestfriend.

Same here

Quicksilver is the fastest there is.

I should probably just inbox Style with every single pic of X-23 porn I've found over the years, making him ragequit KMC for a year or two mmm

Indeed.

The Chad Pietro vs the Virgin Flash.

Originally posted by carver9
Why isn't it usable though? The ft is obviously there.
Because of what I said.

I mean, if y'all want to argue Quicksilver is Flash level, go for it. It's your right as KMC citizens.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
I should probably just inbox Style with every single pic of X-23 porn I've found over the years, making him ragequit KMC for a year or two mmm
I'm more offended you think I haven't seen most of the X-23 hentai already.

Originally posted by StyleTime
I'm more offended you think I haven't seen most of the X-23 hentai already.

The one with the horse, too?

What if I capped your flight to 1mph?

Checkmate.

Northstar is the best speedster because I did not win my tourney match using Quicksilver

In case you're wondering, or asking -- no, Magneto is not as fast as Northstar. He managed to grab his neck after he was tagged multiple times.

And then he released his neck, "There, you're free, hurry", and then got tagged as Northstar started flying towards Paulie.

Magneto gets tagged multiple times. None of this means that he is ... lying...

This is like a psychedelic experience, and I know I'm not insane because Stilt is seeing the same thing.

We're looking at you just say...stuff. It's like you have a defense mechanism for this one statement of Magneto's that I don't even consider as definitive, and you just throw the kitchen sink at it "Magneto is lying! Magneto is playing psychological games! See, he tagged Magneto, shows that he is a LIAR! LIAR LIAR ARGHHHHHHH".

I'm laughing at the absurdity of this.

*Correction* he created the vortex around an Exterminator who was absorbing the dreaming celestial.

Sorry for getting heated but I feel we're talking past each other, because you don't even know my position on how Quicksilver and Northstar compared during that era. It's like you're talking to me, but actually talking about what somebody else said. This will come as a shock to you --- but I probably agree. Northstar did have better feats. He probably was faster than Quicksilver when taking that in account. This one particular instance doesn't change that. And you don't have to try and discredit the portrayal and statement whatever way you can just because it exists and doesn't conform to the multitude of other arguments you can make on why that particular statement/portrayal isn't the be all end all. It's comics, different opinions of writers is common. I'm not melting down at the thought of a writer having Superman afraid of fighting Martian Manhunter and considering him top 5 beings in the Universe he doesn't want to face , to give you an example. It exists, ok. The other 95% of the time, it's not even close.

Our difference is that I don't want to make fan-fiction and nonsensical arguments to justify why Magneto said what he did, or why the writer had Magneto say why he did. I don't think Magneto is faster than Northstar. I think he was fast enough to grab him by the neck after he got hit several times. I think he meant when he said Quicksilver is faster, and Northstar tagging him one more time as he flew for Paulie, after Magneto let him go, changes nothing -- since he got tagged before he grabbed him, too. Him flying to Paulie doesn't, particularly, making him faster than Quicksilver to nullify the scene. I just don't really care about ONE statement overriding feats .I'm a Magneto fan but it's not like him grabbing Northstar changes anything really. I'm not going to start arguing he beats people by grabbing their neck. So again --- this is not coming from a "how dare you disrespect Magneto" or "I love Quicksilver' because none of this applies.

To soothe your soul, here's Magneto owning Quicksilver to the point where he says his speed means nothing to him.

https://i.ibb.co/2NDg2VL/fmk7o-Cbhi-Ofc-Io-j-DGZl7cs9-TM-Cvu-Zayw-Nh6z-V7-Xc-Wp-LIw8e-XJf-HLS3xtn-R-ze-Go-ZKK7e9l-N4fli-Yy-KD.jpg https://i.ibb.co/hmV0sCb/3ep05q-JU-m-GEBPw5n3r-JIIFFMAqi-AE6-K-X5t-Pmlf25-CVou-CZGo-KPa-Xgd-UT7-ZZg5zd-TDkd6o-Kui5kwud-XY0-FB.jpg

I guess Quicksilver meant that psychologically

I think what we really get from this rich beautiful thread is that quicksilver would solo the entire slowpoke flash family while stripping kal naked so the whole world can see his micropeen

Marvel shitstomps DC in speed

That would be my assessment, too.

I'd go one step further and say Whizzer would solo the JLA.

Darkseid would inadvertently dodge it by falling down the stairs.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
The one with the horse, too?
Yeah. I scroll past though. I genuinely don't understand the bestiality stuff, although to each their own. The animals aren't real, so whatevs.

Comic heroes seem to love horses according to internet artists though.

Last word.

Originally posted by StyleTime
Yeah. I scroll past though. I genuinely don't understand the bestiality stuff, although to each their own. The animals aren't real, so whatevs.

Comic heroes seem to love horses according to internet artists though.

Oh, my sweet summer child...

Women love horses, period.



Already addressed this part before, but I just want to repeat myself.

One does not necessarily need to be as fast/faster than the speedster in order to tag him. At least comics don't work that way and never had.

Magneto basically did the same thing as Logan:

https://i.ibb.co/hMjzBb8/RCO013.jpg


--
And, of course, it does help that he's not a mere human and does have superhuman reflexes himself:

https://i.ibb.co/2PPJQKq/5791496-magnetoenhancedreactiontime.jpg

And Magneto's speed feats in general are great. But that's neither here nor there.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Moving your head even for a picosecond is still mftl. He treats a picosecond like we would half a second. Casually.

Didn't know Pietro had it in him. Nah, the whole premise of that scene is Pietro struggling and failing to catch the energy beacon thing that was going all over the globe.

https://i.postimg.cc/p9R5wqfT/RCO005-1583460583.jpg

We don't know how fast the beacon was moving but if there's a feat in there, it's not a picosecond one, it's QS momentarily chasing an energy beam, which he does a few times.

https://i.postimg.cc/9rDk9Bqr/RCO014-1582391269.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/MvJ63XbZ/RCO015-1582391269.jpg

And then he ultimately needed Wanda's amp to actually catch the thing. All in all still a good feat for Quicksilver, but not mftl.

What did ya'll think about this feat from Scarlet Witch & Quicksilver #2:

https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/oo326/OneDumbG0/Quicksilver01_vTykznGX15pmfuKcbFA9x4.jpg

VERY impressive sounding.

I also have no idea what a nano, picto, ato, femto or whatever even means, I just know it's a big number. 😀

Guessing it beats like 99% of speedsters. Majestic has a nanosecond reaction with a teleporting attacker, is this better?

Originally posted by ODG
What did ya'll think about this feat from Scarlet Witch & Quicksilver #2:

https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/oo326/OneDumbG0/Quicksilver01_vTykznGX15pmfuKcbFA9x4.jpg


That Quicksilver is faster than Superman. People accepted Superman statement of a femto second. Let's see the denial when they read this. They tend to have a habit of flip flopping, only when its suitable to Supes. Pico seconds is an eternity to QS.

Originally posted by cdtm
VERY impressive sounding.

I also have no idea what a nano, picto, ato, femto or whatever even means, I just know it's a big number. 😀

Guessing it beats like 99% of speedsters. Majestic has a nanosecond reaction with a teleporting attacker, is this better?

No

And yes, I know that femto second is faster than Picosecond but is a femto second an eternity to Picosecond? No!!!

Originally posted by carver9
And yes, I know that femto second is faster than Picosecond but is a femto second an eternity to Picosecond? No!!!

Dude, one trillionth vs one millionth of a billionth.

I'd say yes that is an eternity.

picking out marvel's fastest speedster is like choosing the least retarded kid in the special ed class

Originally posted by cdtm
Dude, one trillionth vs one millionth of a billionth.

I'd say yes that is an eternity. ??? There are 1,000 picoseconds in a femtosecond. So one trillionth of a second (picosecond) vs one quadrillionith of a second (femtosecond). 1,000 seconds is 16.5+ minutes. 16.5+ minutes isn't exactly an eternity when compared to a single second. Originally posted by carver9
That Quicksilver is faster than Superman. People accepted Superman statement of a femto second. Let's see the denial when they read this. They tend to have a habit of flip flopping, only when its suitable to Supes. Pico seconds is an eternity to QS. So we all agree femtoseconds are faster than picoseconds.

Either way, Superman only threatened Sensor Girl that she had a femtosecond to put down her lightning rod. Sensor Girl doesn't have femtosecond+ reflexes. Yet she activated her lightning rod before Superman could stop her. It's similar to when Superman boasted to Felix Faust about how he could measure time within nanoseconds so Felix Faust shouldn't make any sudden moves... but Felix Faust then roasted Superman with a spell involving red sun energy. Felix Faust doesn't have nanosecond+ reflexes either.

Originally posted by ODG
??? There are 1,000 picoseconds in a femtosecond. So one trillionth of a second (picosecond) vs one quadrillionith of a second (femtosecond). So we all agree femtoseconds are faster than picoseconds.

Either way, Superman only threatened Sensor Girl that she had a femtosecond to put down her lightning rod. Sensor Girl doesn't have femtosecond+ reflexes. Yet she activated her lightning rod before Superman could stop her. It's similar to when Superman boasted to Felix Faust about how he could measure time within nanoseconds so Felix Faust shouldn't make any sudden moves... but Felix Faust then roasted Superman with a spell involving red sun energy. Felix Faust doesn't have nanosecond+ reflexes either.

I thought the femtosecond thing was from when he reprogrammed that crystal ship thing.

To be fair to Carver he's probably a little bit full of himself after Dorksaint ran away mid debate with his tail between his legs.

He's probably crying into his pillow about how Carver beat him.

Originally posted by cdtm
I thought the femtosecond thing was from when he reprogrammed that crystal ship thing. Not sure which feat you're referring to.

I recall Superman mentioning femtoseconds in Action Comics #1000 but it ironically was in the context of him not being able to travel speed fast enough to stop a bullet being fired point-blank at a female victim's head. The bullet is explicitly speeding at 830/ft per second. Thing is... at the time the bullet was fired, Superman was already flying towards them at top speed only a few miles away at best. And Superman literally says his top flying speed won't allow him to make it in time...

But that's not even the dumbest part. Somehow the female victim leaned into the gun at the moment the gunman was pulling the trigger... which bought her an extra "attosecond" to allow Superman to stop the bullet. But... that would mean that the victim moved at an attosecond speed-level to achieve a difference necessary to overcome the gap...

Let's just say, if you try to apply true femtoseconds and attoseconds onto the scene, the entire situation is absolutely absurd. The use of femtosecond and attoseconds is undeniably purple prose.

Originally posted by ODG
Not sure which feat you're referring to.

I recall Superman mentioning femtoseconds in Action Comics #1000 but it ironically was in the context of him not being able to travel speed fast enough to stop a bullet being fired point-blank at a female victim's head. The bullet is explicitly speeding at 830/ft per second. Thing is... at the time the bullet was fired, Superman was already flying towards them at top speed only a few miles away at best. And Superman literally says his top flying speed won't allow him to make it in time...

But that's not even the dumbest part. Somehow the female victim leaned into the gun at the moment the gunman was pulling the trigger... which bought her an extra "attosecond" to allow Superman to stop the bullet. But... that would mean that the victim moved at an attosecond speed-level to achieve a difference necessary to overcome the gap...

Let's just say, if you try to apply true femtoseconds and attoseconds onto the scene, the entire situation is absolutely absurd. The use of femtosecond and attoseconds is undeniably purple prose.


Well yeah, but that leaves us with nothing to really argue.

Would become the crapfest baseless fanboying that is the Dragon Ball "debates" (And I use the term loosely).


POWER LEVELS AREN'T EVEN REAL!! Nobody really knows what a power level stands for compared to conventional numbers, it's all.gibberish.

^ You would argue more reliable speed feats that aren't self-contradictory on their face.

And I've never encountered anybody that ignored power levels in Dragonball. But then again, I haven't participated in many such debates.

Originally posted by ODG
^ You would argue more reliable speed feats that aren't self-contradictory on their face.

And I've never encountered anybody that ignored power levels in Dragonball. But then again, I haven't participated in many such debates.

That's the point of my outburst, things like femtoseconds and nanoseconds are actual units of measurement, even if the events in a comic don't align with them.

But power levels, what the heck even is that? It's a made up numher that stands for whatever the writer (Rest his soul) meant. Which is probably nothing aside from "Yean it sounds cool".

The fans took it way too seriously and that's how you end up with this completely BS stats that have zero basis in canon. Speed is an example, without the magic numbers what do they have? Catching bullets and dodging beams, that's what.

Nothing close to what Quicksilver or Makkari or Surfer's actually done, yet they win because magic made up numbers.


It just grates me that I can see it, yet fanboys like Abhi swoon at the f'n Freeza saga and go all in on Goku beating Superman, when they should know full well the feats just aren't there without the made up number scaling.

Originally posted by ODG
??? There are 1,000 picoseconds in a femtosecond. So one trillionth of a second (picosecond) vs one quadrillionith of a second (femtosecond). 1,000 seconds is 16.5+ minutes. 16.5+ minutes isn't exactly an eternity when compared to a single second. So we all agree femtoseconds are faster than picoseconds.

Either way, Superman only threatened Sensor Girl that she had a femtosecond to put down her lightning rod. Sensor Girl doesn't have femtosecond+ reflexes. Yet she activated her lightning rod before Superman could stop her. It's similar to when Superman boasted to Felix Faust about how he could measure time within nanoseconds so Felix Faust shouldn't make any sudden moves... but Felix Faust then roasted Superman with a spell involving red sun energy. Felix Faust doesn't have nanosecond+ reflexes either.

I argued this but people still gave him the ft. 🤷🏿

Originally posted by cdtm
That's the point of my outburst, things like femtoseconds and nanoseconds are actual units of measurement, even if the events in a comic don't align with them.

But power levels, what the heck even is that? It's a made up numher that stands for whatever the writer (Rest his soul) meant. Which is probably nothing aside from "Yean it sounds cool".

The fans took it way too seriously and that's how you end up with this completely BS stats that have zero basis in canon. Speed is an example, without the magic numbers what do they have? Catching bullets and dodging beams, that's what.

Nothing close to what Quicksilver or Makkari or Surfer's actually done, yet they win because magic made up numbers.


It just grates me that I can see it, yet fanboys like Abhi swoon at the f'n Freeza saga and go all in on Goku beating Superman, when they should know full well the feats just aren't there without the made up number scaling.

You're right. A power level of 130 can beat and kill someone with a power level of 1 billion.

Originally posted by carver9
That Quicksilver is faster than Superman. People accepted Superman statement of a femto second. Let's see the denial when they read this. They tend to have a habit of flip flopping, only when its suitable to Supes. Pico seconds is an eternity to QS.

Originally posted by ODG
??? There are 1,000 picoseconds in a femtosecond. So one trillionth of a second (picosecond) vs one quadrillionith of a second (femtosecond). 1,000 seconds is 16.5+ minutes. 16.5+ minutes isn't exactly an eternity when compared to a single second. So we all agree femtoseconds are faster than picoseconds.

Either way, Superman only threatened Sensor Girl that she had a femtosecond to put down her lightning rod. Sensor Girl doesn't have femtosecond+ reflexes. Yet she activated her lightning rod before Superman could stop her. It's similar to when Superman boasted to Felix Faust about how he could measure time within nanoseconds so Felix Faust shouldn't make any sudden moves... but Felix Faust then roasted Superman with a spell involving red sun energy. Felix Faust doesn't have nanosecond+ reflexes either. Originally posted by ODG
Not sure which feat you're referring to.

I recall Superman mentioning femtoseconds in Action Comics #1000 but it ironically was in the context of him not being able to travel speed fast enough to stop a bullet being fired point-blank at a female victim's head. The bullet is explicitly speeding at 830/ft per second. Thing is... at the time the bullet was fired, Superman was already flying towards them at top speed only a few miles away at best. And Superman literally says his top flying speed won't allow him to make it in time...

But that's not even the dumbest part. Somehow the female victim leaned into the gun at the moment the gunman was pulling the trigger... which bought her an extra "attosecond" to allow Superman to stop the bullet. But... that would mean that the victim moved at an attosecond speed-level to achieve a difference necessary to overcome the gap...

Let's just say, if you try to apply true femtoseconds and attoseconds onto the scene, the entire situation is absolutely absurd. The use of femtosecond and attoseconds is undeniably purple prose.
Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha, it's ****ing hilarious how butthurt dumbo still is on Superman's speed feats.

Die mad.

Originally posted by cdtm
That's the point of my outburst, things like femtoseconds and nanoseconds are actual units of measurement, even if the events in a comic don't align with them.

But power levels, what the heck even is that? It's a made up numher that stands for whatever the writer (Rest his soul) meant. Which is probably nothing aside from "Yean it sounds cool". Well, I would posit that there is a clear distinction between DC speed allusions and Dragonball power readings.

First, the former is mostly allusions and purple prose that is plainly contradicted by the very same DC comics that the speed/time measurements are mentioned. Whereas, Dragonball has never contradicted the powerlevel measurements that were being used. Indeed, the comics further reinforced those power level readings during the subsequent fights.Originally posted by cdtm
The fans took it way too seriously and that's how you end up with this completely BS stats that have zero basis in canon. Speed is an example, without the magic numbers what do they have? Catching bullets and dodging beams, that's what.

Nothing close to what Quicksilver or Makkari or Surfer's actually done, yet they win because magic made up numbers.

It just grates me that I can see it, yet fanboys like Abhi swoon at the f'n Freeza saga and go all in on Goku beating Superman, when they should know full well the feats just aren't there without the made up number scaling. Well, it seems nobody is trying to place Quicksilver above Superman unless you try to equally apply purple prose.

P.S. A less critical analysis of that purple prose suggests that current Quicksilver is still above Superman in the superspeed reflexes department. But whatever...

Originally posted by abhilegend
Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha, it's ****ing hilarious how butthurt dumbo still is on Superman's speed feats.

Die mad.

the guy has 1 meltdown per day, gotta be some kind of record

also he talks like there's something wrong with him

Originally posted by ODG
??? There are 1,000 picoseconds in a femtosecond.

Other way around innit

1 picosecond = 1000 femtoseconds

The rest of your post might have been right. I got distracted by this opening sentence.

https://media1.tenor.com/m/J29koNO3E8sAAAAC/maybe-not-go-****-yourself.gif

Originally posted by MrMind
the guy has 1 meltdown per day, gotta be some kind of record

also he talks like there's something wrong with him
Don't you get it, all of Superman's feats are purple prose. This isn't new, he's been mad over Superman's feats for well over a decade.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Surfer saying he's going FTL is not proof.

Superman saying he's got another nanosecond to go is proof.

Surfer saying he's only got another nanosecond to react is not proof.

This isn't hard. Get with the program, JakeTheBank.

This is from 2012.

^ your take would be more credible if it weren't for things like this:

Originally posted by abhilegend
https://i.postimg.cc/JHc30BtB/image.jpg

Superman also got a picosecond level speed feat in Action Comics 1061. Originally posted by Galan007
I can agree that if you stretch the verbiage, then at best there is just a subtle implication that Superman might have the potential to act on a picosecond basis.

He did not actually do so in the scene itself, however, so it's ultimately moot for debating purposes either way.

Originally posted by Smurph
^ your take would be more credible if it weren't for things like this:
Eh, really don't care about what you think tbh.

Todd, if 1 picosecond = 1000 femtoseconds, then femtoseconds are faster. You're agreeing with me, dumbass.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Eh, really don't care about what you think tbh. Wants to mock posters for arguing purple prose. Doesn't want to be mocked for wanking purple prose.

Got it.

smurph you come to odg's rescue harder than phildo came to abhi's rescue back in the day.

truly the white knight of kmc i salute you sir

Originally posted by MrMind
smurph you come to odg's rescue harder than phildo came to abhi's rescue back in the day.

truly the white knight of kmc i salute you sir

Originally posted by ODG
So long as I get to choose. I want to be Smurph's sock, no homo.

https://media.tenor.com/ESNGBWlk-p8AAAAC/senpai-anime.gif

Originally posted by Smurph
Todd, if 1 picosecond = 1000 femtoseconds, then femtoseconds are faster. You're agreeing with me, dumbass.

Wants to mock posters for arguing purple prose. Doesn't want to be mocked for wanking purple prose.

Got it.
I could dissect pretty much every feat in comics as purple prose by this method.

And how's it remotely comparable? Imagine if I started saying all of Flash's feats are purple prose because he gets hit by normal humans all the time, that's basically what dumbo is saying.

Originally posted by abhilegend
And how's it remotely comparable? Imagine if I started saying all of Flash's feats are purple prose because he gets hit by normal humans all the time, that's basically what dumbo is saying. If you boil down the posts you quoted on the last page, they're just saying statements on their own =/= feats

"Purple prose" is just a phrase. The problem is that prose means dick all if the prose is unrelated to something that actually happened

It's the same trap you stumbled into in the post I quoted. You claimed "picosecond feat" and then we want back and forth for a few pages and then everybody (but you) agreed that it was actually just a statement about something that didn't take place. You just got stoked about the word picosecond appearing.

Originally posted by Smurph
If you boil down the posts you quoted on the last page, they're just saying statements on their own =/= feats

Unless its Thor. Or Silver Surfer, then all statements are feats.

Flash getting hit by normal humans actually happens, ergo all of his speed feats are purple prose.

Lol, that's cute. You actually think your opinion supersedes what happened in the actual comic.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Flash getting hit by normal humans actually happens, ergo all of his speed feats are purple prose. Strawman. The issue is when a statement is weightless, not when a low showing takes away from a high showing.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Lol, that's cute. You actually think your opinion supersedes what happened in the actual comic. There was no picosecond feat in Action Comics 1061.

Originally posted by Smurph
Strawman. The issue is when a statement is weightless, not when a low showing takes away from a high showing.

That's what dumbo is arguing and you're supporting, Superman's statement of nanosecond or femtosecond are invalid because Felix Faust hit him or Sensor Girl did something after auto shields of Brainiac 5 stopped Superman from reaching her.

Originally posted by ODG
??? There are 1,000 picoseconds in a femtosecond. So one trillionth of a second (picosecond) vs one quadrillionith of a second (femtosecond). 1,000 seconds is 16.5+ minutes. 16.5+ minutes isn't exactly an eternity when compared to a single second. So we all agree femtoseconds are faster than picoseconds.

Either way, Superman only threatened Sensor Girl that she had a femtosecond to put down her lightning rod. Sensor Girl doesn't have femtosecond+ reflexes. Yet she activated her lightning rod before Superman could stop her. It's similar to when Superman boasted to Felix Faust about how he could measure time within nanoseconds so Felix Faust shouldn't make any sudden moves... but Felix Faust then roasted Superman with a spell involving red sun energy. Felix Faust doesn't have nanosecond+ reflexes either.

I can invalidate pretty much any feat by this logic.



There's no picosecond feat in comics in general then, because all of those are simply statements and as we know, statements are weightless.

Good stuff.

Here's the previous page that dumbo omitted.

https://i.postimg.cc/7G74vDBx/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/64XXtSSC/image.jpg

Picosecond level quicksilver takes minutes to read a few books? Lol, lmao even.

Originally posted by Smurph
Sure, statements are more credible if they have the feats to back it up. But all that does is distinguish credible from non-credible statements. Ultimately everything turns on the actual feats and a statement (taken on its own, disconnected from any actual event) is not that.

In other words: a femtosecond feat makes a statement about picosecond potential seem more credible. But you couldn't hold up that statement on its own as proof of anything. https://64.media.tumblr.com/7c75368ca438bbfc46ca6c88407def82/4e0d54a4feb58589-27/s540x810/d449a86180344a6afa4d6e32a3f2c7f3b3a7746f.gif

Originally posted by abhilegend
That's what dumbo is arguing and you're supporting, Superman's statement of nanosecond or femtosecond are invalid because Felix Faust hit him or Sensor Girl did something after auto shields of Brainiac 5 stopped Superman from reaching her.
I haven't actually taken a position on the weight of the statements in the Faust/Sensor Girl bit. But, do... you really not see the difference between arguing that, versus using low showings from one comic to counter high showings from another?

Originally posted by abhilegend
There's no picosecond feat in comics in general then, because all of those are simply statements and as we know, statements are weightless.

Good stuff. No, the issue in Action Comics 1061 is the disconnect between the statement and any actual feat:

Originally posted by abhilegend
https://i.postimg.cc/JHc30BtB/image.jpg

Superman also got a picosecond level speed feat in Action Comics 1061. Originally posted by Smurph
Isn't that the exact opposite of a picosecond feat

It says that he didn't do something. "Not for a single picosecond".

I get that we're excited about the word picosecond but I don't see how not doing something is a feat. Originally posted by Galan007
I can agree that if you stretch the verbiage, then at best there is just a subtle implication that Superman might have the potential to act on a picosecond basis.

He did not actually do so in the scene itself, however, so it's ultimately moot for debating purposes either way. You have to tie the words to something that actually happened. Otherwise, talk is cheap.

Originally posted by Smurph
I haven't actually taken a position on the weight of the statements in the Faust/Sensor Girl bit. But, do... you really not see the difference between arguing that, versus using low showings from one comic to counter high showings from another?

What are you even talking about? Quicksilver took minutes to read books in the previous page from where the supposed picosecond feat took place.

Superman not hesitating itself is the actual feat.

Superman pressing on in a magical vortex without hesitating actually happened. 🙄🙄

Originally posted by abhilegend


Superman not hesitating itself is the actual feat.

And yet as two mods and the rest of the forum agreed, "not hesitating" is not a speed feat.

And the fact that you're still insistent just brings me back to my original point about your credibility re: Superman and prose.

Whoa, millions of picoseconds passed as I was typing. I didn't hesitate once.

That's so many speed feats.

Originally posted by Smurph
I haven't actually taken a position on the weight of the statements in the Faust/Sensor Girl bit. But, do... you really not see the difference between arguing that, versus using low showings from one comic to counter high showings from another?

No, the issue in Action Comics 1061 is the disconnect between the statement and any actual feat:

You have to tie the words to something that actually happened. Otherwise, talk is cheap.


What's the point of claiming you didn't hesitate for a minute if you were never capable of acting within that minute?

And why isn't the term picosecond used for, say, Batman? That's pretty specific phrasology to write it off.

Originally posted by Smurph
And yet as two mods and the rest of the forum agreed, "not hesitating" is not a speed feat.

And the fact that you're still insistent just brings me back to my original point about your credibility re: Superman and prose.
And I still don't care about what you or anyone else thinks, it's spelt out in the comic and that supersedes your opinion. Argumento Ad Populum isn't a valid debating tactic FYI.

The fact that you chickened out on purple prose invalidating pretty much every feat tells me whose credibility is on the line.

Originally posted by cdtm
What's the point of claiming you didn't hesitate for a minute if you were never capable of acting within that minute?

And why isn't the term picosecond used for, say, Batman? That's pretty specific phrasology to write it off.
Duh, it's Superman, he just boasts around like a braggart.

Originally posted by Smurph
Whoa, millions of picoseconds passed as I was typing. I didn't hesitate once.

That's so many speed feats.
You're not capable of hesitating in a picosecond to begin with, ergo you can't decide whether you want to hesitate or not in a picosecond either.

This is childish stuff.

Originally posted by abhilegend
And I still don't care about what you or anyone else thinks, it's spelt out in the comic and that supersedes your opinion. Argumento Ad Populum isn't a valid debating tactic FYI.
Credibility is inherently about how other people see you. It's not an appeal to popularity for authority on the feat, it's holding up a mirror to give you a heads up that you look stupid. And at any rate, pointing out that Galan already clarified that it's not a feat and is moot for forum debate isn't argumento ad populum.

Originally posted by abhilegend
The fact that you chickened out on purple prose invalidating pretty much every feat tells me whose credibility is on the line. Refusing to respond to a strawman isn't chickening out. You're attacking an argument that I didn't make. Have at it.

Originally posted by cdtm
What's the point of claiming you didn't hesitate for a minute if you were never capable of acting within that minute?

And why isn't the term picosecond used for, say, Batman? That's pretty specific phrasology to write it off. None of that makes it a feat.

As Pr explained:

Originally posted by abhilegend
https://i.postimg.cc/JHc30BtB/image.jpg

Superman also got a picosecond level speed feat in Action Comics 1061. Originally posted by -Pr-
That's not what that means. At all. It's a colourful descriptor. That's it.

Originally posted by Smurph
None of that makes it a feat.

As Pr explained:


Two points:

1.. Pr is Australian, they're a step down from Canadians in terms of common sense. 😜

2. When's the last time literally anyone else has used sub atomic time scales for flourish, who wasn't actually capable of making good on those boasts?


Even Spidey never said "I didn't hesitate for a microsecond!", and he probably actually has the ability to act within a microsecond.

Pr is Irish. facepalm

Originally posted by Smurph
Pr is Irish. facepalm

Now I just feel like an ass. 😞

Originally posted by cdtm
Two points:

1.. Pr is Australian, they're a step down from Canadians in terms of common sense. 😜

2. When's the last time literally anyone else has used sub atomic time scales for flourish, who wasn't actually capable of making good on those boasts?


Even Spidey never said "I didn't hesitate for a microsecond!", and he probably actually has the ability to act within a microsecond.

So Gladiator is capable of ripping black holes in half with his hands (this has been said on more than one occasion)...

https://ibb.co/0p5sPKd

Originally posted by carver9
So Gladiator is capable of ripping black holes in half with his hands (this has been said on more than one occasion)...

https://ibb.co/0p5sPKd


I can believe it.

Drax actually did rip apart the core of a star. Weakest version of Drax, this would make him stronger than Mangog or Darkest Knight both bought it in a 🌞

^ Actually it was probably the strongest version of Drax w/o Power Gem that ripped apart a starcore.

Originally posted by ODG
^ Actually it was probably the strongest version of Drax w/o Power Gem that ripped apart a starcore.


Good point, forgot about the power gem.

Originally posted by Smurph
Credibility is inherently about how other people see you. It's not an appeal to popularity for authority on the feat, it's holding up a mirror to give you a heads up that you look stupid. And at any rate, pointing out that Galan already clarified that it's not a feat and is moot for forum debate isn't argumento ad populum.

Galan isn't arbiter of feats in comics last I checked. Or the rest of the forum for that matter.



Of course you'd say that.

Originally posted by Smurph
None of that makes it a feat.

As Pr explained:
Of course it does. You have no argument other than "nuh - uh" and appeal to authority.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Of course it does. You have no argument other than "nuh - uh" and appeal to authority.

So you agree Thor can bench press planets?

https://imgur.com/vUEgw55

Originally posted by carver9
So you agree Thor can bench press planets?

https://imgur.com/vUEgw55
Small planets carvster, small planets.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Small planets carvster, small planets.

Earth isn't a bug planet, lol.

Originally posted by carver9
Earth isn't a bug planet, lol.

Originally posted by carver9
Earth isn't a bug planet, lol.
Of course it isn't a bug planet carvster, thanks for letting us know.

Earth isn't a BIG planet.

Originally posted by carver9
Earth isn't a bug planet, lol.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Of course it isn't a bug planet carvster, thanks for letting us know.

I SPENT 33 YEARS OF MY LIFE PREPARING FOR A WAR WITH GIANT COCKROACHES AND YOU ARE SAYING IT WAS ALL FOR NOTHING?!

Originally posted by abhilegend
Of course it does. You have no argument other than "nuh - uh" and appeal to authority. lol you keep reaching for logical fallacies to throw at me as if we're in a debate, but we're not. I'm not "appealing to authority" because fallacies only come into play when you're trying to prove a point.

I have no further point to prove. You already lost this argument. "Not hesitating" is a non-action; there's no speed feat, only the mere implication of a feat that didn't happen. That's it.

Now you're sticking your fingers in your ears and crying "nuh-uh". Cool, fill your boots, troll away.

Originally posted by carver9
Earth isn't a BIG planet.

It isn't a small planet either. Small planets are like Mercury, Pluto (it was at the time of that publication), etc

Pluto is a mid sized planet.

Originally posted by cdtm
Pluto is a mid sized planet.

It's not a planet at all.
But when it was it was a small planet.