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So the days of using nukes is past imo. They have found a much more efficient and cheaper form of tearing down a country. All it takes is a cropped video and a single faulty narrative from the media and you got yourself a weaponized mob in America. Agree or disagree?

Disagree

Originally posted by ShadowFyre
So the days of using nukes is past imo. They have found a much more efficient and cheaper form of tearing down a country. All it takes is a cropped video and a single faulty narrative from the media and you got yourself a weaponized mob in America. Agree or disagree? DisagreeOriginally posted by Artol
Disagree Agree

Originally posted by Artol
Disagree

Why?

Originally posted by ShadowFyre
So the days of using nukes is past imo. They have found a much more efficient and cheaper form of tearing down a country. All it takes is a cropped video and a single faulty narrative from the media and you got yourself a weaponized mob in America. Agree or disagree?

Certainly.

I'll see if I can find an article talking about a small business owner taking on a university over textbooks, or something. University slanders the business as some offensive thing or other, and the faculty are quoted "we should unleash the students on them."

Originally posted by cdtm
Why?

Lots of reasons, starting with the absurd comparison to nukes, which are still a present danger. Then I don't think that the Chauvin verdict and BLM, which this is referring to, is really tearing down the country, if anything it is a reflection of the political rifts and the authoritarian strain within society, not a cause of it. I also don't think that video or narrative were faulty, but that's probably besides the two larger points.

I thought this thread was about the capitol insurrection, bit turns out it's just another addition to r/im14andthisisdeep.

This wasn't referring to chauvin Floyd because that was a murder hat everyone saw and that cop should be punished justly.

This is referring to the media lying on multiple accounts and directing people at objects/people/ideas without presenting the facts.

I dont beat around bushes. I mow em down. If I was referring to that case I would said so.

Originally posted by ShadowFyre
This wasn't referring to chauvin Floyd because that was a murder hat everyone saw and that cop should be punished justly.

This is referring to the media lying on multiple accounts and directing people at objects/people/ideas without presenting the facts.

I dont beat around bushes. I mow em down. If I was referring to that case I would said so.

I see, my apologies, a lot of people have been talking about the Chauvin case today, so I presumed you did as well.

What specific situations are you referring to with the media lying and directing mobs?

Well, just the current medias race baiting and blatant lying and cnn got caught cropping a video.

And before I go on this next part, I want you to fully understand something so that we can fully have a legitimate conversation without it going sideways into race.

I am white, I am neither a Republican or a Democrat, I actively call both sides out when I feel like they are lying.my mother was a crackhead, I spent 6 years as an adopted child by a black family. I equally love and hate human beings of all colors. My family is currently a mix between whites, Puerto Ricans and black Americans. I have a cousin thats a Police Officer and I have a cousin that got caught with a quarter pound of methamphetamine a few months ago. I love and learn from both of them equally.

Now, back to CNN (and I am not a fan of FOX either)cropping t the video with the 13 year old. Why would they do that? To fit a narrative of course. Why is the first thing you see in a shooting the color of the victim/aggressor? To start conflict.

Why is there not a news station that just reports the facts and the news? Why is the Coronavirus such a political standpoint. Democrats equal masks and Republicans are antimasks? Wtf? This should be dealt with by science, not politics.

What is more detrimental to us as a whole? A 3 mile wide radius of land that we can not step in, or another generation of people that have been driven to conflict with other human beings based off of race baiting and media driven conflict. Keep in mind, that radiation will wear off eventually, while that racism will be taught to another generation, and another and another.

Tbh, I agree with you, the media is partisan, it gets often caught lying, it has a very strong pro-business bias, and it thrives on controversy and fear. And both Democrats and Republicans suck, though not quite in equal measures.

But the problem with nuclear weapons is not a single nuclear weapon being used, it is the potential for annihilation of the whole human species, or at least the vast majority of it and its achievements, in the matter of a few minutes (though admittedly the death of the species will be drawn out over a few months).

Originally posted by ShadowFyre

Why is the Coronavirus such a political standpoint. Democrats equal masks and Republicans are antimasks? Wtf? This should be dealt with by science, not politics.



Being pro-mask is backed by science. Being anti-mask is moronically politicizing a pandemic and anti-science. YW

It is questionable if Dr. Faucinis going by science anymore. He is kind of a backtracked.

And obviously complete, worldwide nuclear holocaust is worse than lying media. Didnt think that needed to be said. I was going more like one or two nukes being fired and in a long term sense.

Racism and things like that may last well beyond the use of nuclear weapons and into the next few generations of warfare.

Wut

Originally posted by Robtard
Being pro-mask is backed by science. Being anti-mask is moronically politicizing a pandemic and anti-science. YW

Science is a process/method.
You make guesses then gather data to see how you did.

We have the data pre and post mask, it didn't help.
We also have pre and post lockdown numbers, millions died due to the lockdowns, NOT COVID.

"Trust the science" is a manufactured adage to get people to trust the state. It allows the statist to seem objective and more secular.

This ignores the fact that our collective epistemic pool of knowledge expands it's borders through dissent, retesting, argumentation, etc.

It's not like science is the 10-20 doctors that keep showing up on legacy media, while other doctors who disagree with the status quo are silenced.

I'm pro science too, the mask shit is dogmatism.

Shadow is right imo.
Conventional warfare is expensive, targeted memes and hired activists are cheap.

Plus as the foreign agent using cogito hazards on the enemy, you have no public responsibility to claim. The enemy country's own virulent racism tore it apart, or whatever.

Originally posted by ilikecomics
Science is a process/method.
You make guesses then gather data to see how you did.

We have the data pre and post mask, it didn't help.
We also have pre and post lockdown numbers, millions died due to the lockdowns, NOT COVID.

"Trust the science" is a manufactured adage to get people to trust the state. It allows the statist to seem objective and more secular.

This ignores the fact that our collective epistemic pool of knowledge expands it's borders through dissent, retesting, argumentation, etc.

It's not like science is the 10-20 doctors that keep showing up on legacy media, while other doctors who disagree with the status quo are silenced.

I'm pro science too, the mask shit is dogmatism. When you use the word DOGmatism, what do YOU personally feel it means!?

Careful now.

Originally posted by ilikecomics
Science is a process/method.
You make guesses then gather data to see how you did.

We have the data pre and post mask, it didn't help.
We also have pre and post lockdown numbers, millions died due to the lockdowns, NOT COVID.

"Trust the science" is a manufactured adage to get people to trust the state. It allows the statist to seem objective and more secular.

This ignores the fact that our collective epistemic pool of knowledge expands it's borders through dissent, retesting, argumentation, etc.

It's not like science is the 10-20 doctors that keep showing up on legacy media, while other doctors who disagree with the status quo are silenced.

I'm pro science too, the mask shit is dogmatism.


You could have just said "I'm an anti-masker".

Science, let alone logic, does not support your beliefs. eg All those doctors and nurses who wears masks on a regular basis as a first layer of defense, do it because it's not useless.

Originally posted by Robtard
You could have just said "I'm an anti-masker".

Science, let alone logic, does not support your beliefs. eg All those doctors and nurses who wears masks on a regular basis as a first layer of defense, do it because it's not useless. Exactly!

Originally posted by ShadowFyre
This wasn't referring to chauvin Floyd because that was a murder hat everyone saw and that cop should be punished justly.

This is referring to the media lying on multiple accounts and directing people at objects/people/ideas without presenting the facts.

I dont beat around bushes. I mow em down. If I was referring to that case I would said so.

Maybe if Americans were such easily manipulated retards...

Originally posted by jaden_2.0
Maybe if Americans were such easily manipulated retards... You are so naughty and

Originally posted by jaden_2.0
Maybe if Americans were such easily manipulated retards... ha thats where we've got u fooled. There's no maybe about it, we're actually super easily manipulated and wicked retarded.

And u thought u were being clever. Now who looks like the idiot.

I've spent several years abroad, been to about 15 different countries. Americans are...well we are not dumb, I just think years of taking for granted that we are constantly being told the truth and constantly being told "we are the best" has seriously degenerated our ability to think rationally for ourselves.

I actually plan on changing my citizenship if I do not get my dream job (working with tigers and bears). Not sure where yet. I really really loved Japan as I was stationed there for a few years.

Media is definitely partisan. Where does one ascertain the truth? If you weren't there, in what cases can you say with any sort of honesty that you know what occurred in any given situation?

Originally posted by Tagm4g
When you use the word DOGmatism, what do YOU personally feel it means!?

Careful now.

Starting with a presupposition, then forcing the facts to fit - as opposed to compiling facts, then forming a conclusion based on those facts.

Originally posted by Robtard
You could have just said "I'm an anti-masker".

Science, let alone logic, does not support your beliefs. eg All those doctors and nurses who wears masks on a regular basis as a first layer of defense, do it because it's not useless.

That's because they work with sick people, and hospitals are pretty filthy environments.

This doesn't mean the specialist conditions of the hospital can be applied to society at large.

For example, welders wear visors that protect their eyes from the light. This doesn't mean society should all wear welding visors because the sun exists.

I'm not anti mask in a hospital, I'm anti mask everywhere else and especially so if the government is forcing it on the citizenry.

Originally posted by ilikecomics
That's because they work with sick people, and hospitals are pretty filthy environments.

This doesn't mean the specialist conditions of the hospital can be applied to society at large.

For example, welders wear visors that protect their eyes from the light. This doesn't mean society should all wear welding visors because the sun exists.

I'm not anti mask in a hospital, I'm anti mask everywhere else and especially so if the government is forcing it on the citizenry.

If a mask can offer a layer of protection in a hospital where sick people go and as you said are "pretty filthy environments", then they can protect you in is less severe places.

Very poor analogy, as people do wear sun glasses to protect their corneas from the sun. You're being asked to wear a simple mask, not a hazmat suit, dude.

Honestly, it's sounds like you're very anti-mask with the "muh freedoms" angle.

Originally posted by Robtard
If a mask can offer a layer of protection in a hospital where sick people go and as you said are "pretty filthy environments", then they can protect you in is less severe places.

Very poor analogy, as people do wear sun glasses to protect their corneas from the sun. You're being asked to wear a simple mask, not a hazmat suit, dude.



https://rationalground.com/more-mask-charts/



Honestly, it's sounds like you're very anti-mask with the "muh freedoms" angle.

No, I'm looking at it based on pre and post mask mandate numbers and how it did nothing to 'flatten the curve'. How would you explain that ?

https://rationalground.com/mask-charts/

https://rationalground.com/more-mask-charts/

Whoops, I'm an idiot and made it look like you shared my mask mandate evidence. Not good at this.

Originally posted by ilikecomics
That's because they work with sick people, and hospitals are pretty filthy environments.

This doesn't mean the specialist conditions of the hospital can be applied to society at large.

For example, welders wear visors that protect their eyes from the light. This doesn't mean society should all wear welding visors because the sun exists.

I'm not anti mask in a hospital, I'm anti mask everywhere else and especially so if the government is forcing it on the citizenry. So according to you masks can help prevent the spread of diseases in hospitals, but can not help prevent the spread of diseases outside of them? Is that what you are saying?

Originally posted by NemeBro
So according to you masks can help prevent the spread of diseases in hospitals, but can not help prevent the spread of diseases outside of them? Is that what you are saying?

I'm saying not according to the data contained in the two links I just posted.

It does seem counter intuitive, but why do you think we see a universal trend of the numbers going up despite multiple reenforced mask mandates ?

Originally posted by ilikecomics
I'm saying not according to the data contained in the two links I just posted.

It does seem counter intuitive, but why do you think we see a universal trend of the numbers going up despite multiple reenforced mask mandates ?

Don't dodge the question. Does wearing a mask prevent the spread of diseases in hospitals: y/n?

Does wearing a mask outside of a hospital prevent the spread of diseases: y/n?

Why would that be?

Even if everyone gets pissed off and a war breaks out you still probably won't get laid.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Don't dodge the question. Does wearing a mask prevent the spread of diseases in hospitals: y/n?

Does wearing a mask outside of a hospital prevent the spread of diseases: y/n?

Why would that be?

I'm really not sure if they do, just because we've done it for a while doesn't mean it's right, similar to the case of circumcision.
I'd like to think they do, but again not sure.
So we'll so yes to the hospital one, based on my feelings.

No in terms of outside a hospital based on statistical data.

However that statistical data can be explained in multiple ways; for example, if the covid infection and death rates are recorded incorrectly for whatever reason, or if enough people aren't being compliant, or if people are wearing the wrong mask, etc.

I'm not saying masks are ineffective or effective, I'm asking someone to explain the fact that in numerous places, despite multiple mask mandates, the infection rate kept going up, as if the masks didn't really help at all.

The two links I posted graph them in a pretty simplistic way that even I could understand, so I'm asking you to look at them and explain why they say what they do if masks are as effective as they're supposed to be. I can repost the links if you want.

DATA PERTAINING TO MY ARGUMENT

https://rationalground.com/mask-charts/

https://rationalground.com/more-mask-charts/

Originally posted by NemeBro
Don't dodge the question. Does wearing a mask prevent the spread of diseases in hospitals: y/n?

Does wearing a mask outside of a hospital prevent the spread of diseases: y/n?

Why would that be?

Good question.

Last I checked, the data is sketchy. Even Mayo Clinic is full of qualifiers like "may", or "common sense says".

We're mostly just doing it because, hey, how can it hurt?

Originally posted by cdtm
Good question.

Last I checked, the data is sketchy. Even Mayo Clinic is full of qualifiers like "may", or "common sense says".

We're mostly just doing it because, hey, how can it hurt? pFByTlzYFAM

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
I thought this thread was about the capital insurrection, bit turns out it's just another addition to r/im14andthisisdeep. Top notch, Ellimist and the Star Wars kids were the worst for that. Then they discovered almost everyone here had degrees, and many work or worked in the STEM fields that they held in such high regard and weren't that impressed by a 14 to 18-year-old expert reading a book and telling us what they wanted to be before life grinds them down. Once realising they STFU and left KMC. However, I would take those kids over the vacuous far-right trolls, posting purely based of some YouTuber's opinion, although there was some overlap between each group.

In the 90s, Liberian shaman would eat the hearts of children and steal diamonds from Sierra Leone. 😑

Originally posted by ilikecomics
I'm really not sure if they do, just because we've done it for a while doesn't mean it's right, similar to the case of circumcision.
I'd like to think they do, but again not sure.
So we'll so yes to the hospital one, based on my feelings.

No in terms of outside a hospital based on statistical data.

However that statistical data can be explained in multiple ways; for example, if the covid infection and death rates are recorded incorrectly for whatever reason, or if enough people aren't being compliant, or if people are wearing the wrong mask, etc.

I'm not saying masks are ineffective or effective, I'm asking someone to explain the fact that in numerous places, despite multiple mask mandates, the infection rate kept going up, as if the masks didn't really help at all.

The two links I posted graph them in a pretty simplistic way that even I could understand, so I'm asking you to look at them and explain why they say what they do if masks are as effective as they're supposed to be. I can repost the links if you want. That's a pretty biased form of trying to get your point across.

Also it should be noted that all talks about is when mask mandates were added with the cases graph.

It never talks about how many people were following those mandates. That's the more important number and we can honestly say here in America it's been a pretty uphill battle to get certain groups to reliably wear them.

It's also important to note no one is saying a mask is 100% guaranteed to prevent you from getting covid. It only reduces the chance of you spreading it. Which is why social distancing is still a higher priority and the combination of the wearing a mask and social distancing greatly decrease the chance of people spreading the virus.

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
I thought this thread was about the capitol insurrection, bit turns out it's just another addition to r/im14andthisisdeep.


The insurrection was only a small part of it. But somehow it turned into a Corona debate because everyone is so deathly afraid of a .0001%chance of dying

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Still, bad shit have had happened back then.

Originally posted by Blakemore
Still, bad shit have had happened back then. whRPMfjipUo

Bad shit ☹️

Originally posted by Newjak
That's a pretty biased form of trying to get your point across.

Also it should be noted that all talks about is when mask mandates were added with the cases graph.

It never talks about how many people were following those mandates. That's the more important number and we can honestly say here in America it's been a pretty uphill battle to get certain groups to reliably wear them.

It's also important to note no one is saying a mask is 100% guaranteed to prevent you from getting covid. It only reduces the chance of you spreading it. Which is why social distancing is still a higher priority and the combination of the wearing a mask and social distancing greatly decrease the chance of people spreading the virus.

The second thing is probably even less in compliance then the first. I keep seeing 100 people parties every weekend, all over town. Cars parked up and down our street.

Relatives and friends keep inviting us to 100 person second marriages, or these big events. Absolutely no space between people at them (Or so I'm told by relatives who went to these things)

I also know for a fact partisanism has nothing to do with it, plenty of card carrying Republicans and Democrats are doing this. Young and old, all walks of life.

Sleepy people see sheep

Originally posted by ShadowFyre
The insurrection was only a small part of it. But somehow it turned into a Corona debate because everyone is so deathly afraid of a .0001%chance of dying

Talking about America, that number is a lot higher than your ".0001%" covid-gasslighting figure.


To date, America has 586,650 Coivd deaths.

Originally posted by Robtard
Talking about America, that number is a lot higher than your ".0001%" covid-gasslighting figure.


To date, America has 586,650 Coivd deaths.

Yeah, the math is way off. 1.6 million would be about 1 percent, so 500k is a lot more then 0.0001..

Originally posted by ShadowFyre
But somehow it turned into a Corona debate because everyone is so deathly afraid of a .0001%chance of dying

bad-faith gaslighter troll: confirmed

Originally posted by Newjak
That's a pretty biased form of trying to get your point across.

Also it should be noted that all talks about is when mask mandates were added with the cases graph.

It never talks about how many people were following those mandates. That's the more important number and we can honestly say here in America it's been a pretty uphill battle to get certain groups to reliably wear them.

It's also important to note no one is saying a mask is 100% guaranteed to prevent you from getting covid. It only reduces the chance of you spreading it. Which is why social distancing is still a higher priority and the combination of the wearing a mask and social distancing greatly decrease the chance of people spreading the virus.


That's a fair point.

I truly appreciate you looking at the graphs I posted. Your response makes sense to me. I'm skeptical of it, but it's a better answer than having no idea. Thanks for your reply.

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
bad-faith gaslighter troll: confirmed Let's give the guy the benefit of the doubt and just suggest Maths is not his strong point.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
Let's give the guy the benefit of the doubt

nah, sorry, I ran out of those

Seems like there's a troll here 😂

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
nah, sorry, I ran out of those Do you think he went to school with DDM?Originally posted by Blakemore
Seems like there's a troll here 😂 Who? What? At KMC, never!

I'm suspecting