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Classic Odin vs He-man (Master of Eternity)

Completely impossible to say exactly how powerful He-Man became in that incarnation.

Originally posted by leonidas
Completely impossible to say exactly how powerful He-Man became in that incarnation.

Why? The Fires of Eternity itself empowered him.

Skeletor merely focused that same power drawing off the Eyes of Castle Greyskull, giving him complete mastery over time and space.

He-Man didn't need the eyes, he IS the power incarnate.

Because we saw him do nothing. Odin also has control over time and space. Anything you say about he-man would be sheer speculation.

Originally posted by leonidas
Because we saw him do nothing. Odin also has control over time and space. Anything you say about he-man would be sheer speculation.

We certainly did see Skeletor do something. He erased Primus across countless time and space. That's more then Surtur did under Simonsons pen, and no one would dispute his power.

Yet uber Skeletor could not defeat He-Man.

Originally posted by cdtm
Since when don't feats transfer? Doctor Strange resisting each individual Infinity Stone from a completed Infinity Gauntlet is certain a universal/multiversal feat for Doctor Strange. Since all it takes is ONE gem to wipe the floor with Galactus, Celestials, Eternity, Chaos and Order (Power Gem wipes out Celestials, Time Gem takes Chronos, ect..)

The Flame of Eternity literally wiped out the multiverse in a future vision. Whatever power it has scales to He-Man and Skeletor, the same way the Infinity Stones scale to anyone who holds the Gauntlet. Same power source.


And resisting Skeletor after he wipes out Primus is a feat in itself. Of high cosmic level durability, at the least.

Your response doesnt quite counter what Leonidas said with regards to feats not transferring.

Using your example, if we took the powers of Dr Strange and gave them to someone else, would they automatically be capable of the same feats? Of course not.

Also look how Nebula wielded the Infinity Gauntlet vs how Thanos did.

Or how Rachel Summers wielded the Phoenix Force vs how Jean Grey did.

You judge comparative battle prowess based on demonstrated applications of power by the individuals in question. You cannot assume or credibly argue that feats achieved by someone are automatically within the capability of someone who gains access to those ame powers.

Experience, mindset and someone's physical characteristics can all result in differences between how various people wield the same power source.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Your response doesnt quite counter what Leonidas said with regards to feats not transferring.

Using your example, if we took the powers of Dr Strange and gave them to someone else, would they automatically be capable of the same feats? Of course not.

Also look how Nebula wielded the Infinity Gauntlet vs how Thanos did.

Or how Rachel Summers wielded the Phoenix Force vs how Jean Grey did.

You judge comparative battle prowess based on demonstrated applications of power by the individuals in question. You cannot assume or credibly argue that feats achieved by someone are automatically within the capability of someone who gains access to those ame powers.

Experience, mindset and someone's physical characteristics can all result in differences between how various people wield the same power source.

The difference is that Skeletor was drawing on a particular power source, and He-Man is that power source. Skeletor does not have more mastery over that power than the living incarnation of it.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
The difference is that Skeletor was drawing on a particular power source, and He-Man is that power source. Skeletor does not have more mastery over that power than the living incarnation of it.

Since when does He-Man have more mastery and experience with energy manipulation than Skeletor?

He-Man was tapping into an energy source and Skeletor was accessing that power via He-Man.

What Skeletor achieved with that power does not automatically translate to referenceable He-Man feats. It doesnt work like that. COULD He-Man be capable of such feats? Yh its feasible he certainly had the power to pull them off. But the willpower, mastery and know-how? Who knows? We certainly dont. As Leonidas correctly said its just guesswork.


My argument still stands at this point unless theres anything else to share or some point im not actually getting with regards to He-Mans transformation?

Yeah, I leaning towards what GalacticStorm said.
I mean Barry and Thawne both use the same power source but Barry has never shown the same level ability of time manipulation(Not I can recall at least)

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Since when does He-Man have more mastery and experience with energy manipulation than Skeletor?

He-Man was tapping into an energy source and Skeletor was accessing that power via He-Man.

What Skeletor achieved with that power does not automatically translate to referenceable He-Man feats. It doesnt work like that. COULD He-Man be capable of such feats? Yh its feasible he certainly had the power to pull them off. But the willpower, mastery and know-how? Who knows? We certainly dont. As Leonidas correctly said its just guesswork.


My argument still stands at this point unless theres anything else to share or some point im not actually getting with regards to He-Mans transformation?

Read the issue. It is revealed that He-Man is not tapping into the energy source, he is the energy source. Skeletor was able to do all of those feats by only accessing a portion of it, and He-Man is the living incarnation of it.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Read the issue. It is revealed that He-Man is not tapping into the energy source, he is the energy source. Skeletor was able to do all of those feats by only accessing a portion of it, and He-Man is the living incarnation of it.

It doesnt make a difference.

Unless this powerup came with an upgraded knowledge or omniscience then it doesnt change the fact that Skeletor has far more experience with energy manipulation therefore what he achieved with that power cannot be automatically assumed to be something He Man is capable of.

With time to learn how to use the power then yes its a possibility. Before then its just guesswork as he never got to that point.

He-Man

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
It doesnt make a difference.

Unless this powerup came with an upgraded knowledge or omniscience then it doesnt change the fact that Skeletor has far more experience with energy manipulation therefore what he achieved with that power cannot be automatically assumed to be something He Man is capable of.

With time to learn how to use the power then yes its a possibility. Before then its just guesswork as he never got to that point.

It completely matters. You are arguing that someone who is experienced with energy manipulation is capable of more feats than the energy source itself. That is not true of Jean Grey and the Phoenix Force, or Scarlet Witch and Chathon, and it is not true of Skeletor and He-Man either.