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Asgard (Marvel) vs all Imperiex Probes

how many probes? is this classic odin in asgard or king of thunder thor with the pc he absorbed from galactus? thor treated a hugely amped galactus like a red-headed step-child. that is damn impressive imo, so it would matter who is guarding asgard. do they know the attack is coming and can prepare, or are the probes just teleported there without warning? all these things would make a difference. how many probes are there?

I thought Thor had lost that PC amp...

And Thor beat Galactus like that only due to power draining.

I got told in another thread that Thor wouldn't be able to drain, say, Thanos with no one really disputing that claim. Not sure how that showing can translate here?

Originally posted by leonidas
how many probes? all probes Originally posted by leonidas
is this classic odin in asgard or king of thunder thor with the pc he absorbed from galactus? current thor Originally posted by leonidas
do they know the attack is coming and can prepare, or are the probes just teleported there without warning? asgard has 1 day of preparation

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I thought Thor had lost that PC amp...

yeah maybe. he seems to have unleashed it in a blast that took out the winter, but the way thor has been depicted he still seems more powerful than the king thor of the past. i don't think his pc is what let him drain galactus for example. i wonder if he could simply drain the probes as easily?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I thought Thor had lost that PC amp... yup and

Odin not the same. Smh

https://i.postimg.cc/VS0LXDyf/12-E26-C5-D-8608-4-C85-BE5-B-0-D1-D480-F925-D.jpg

I'll let stilt answer this question for you, whatever he says goes

Thor drains them with a casual blast.

i don't know about that. maybe, but i think it was more the hammer than anything else. the lightning could have been amped i guess, but zeus did a number on galactus as well, and his amp was questionable. if odin had the hammer when he fought galactus it may have been a much different battle. or it could be different writers see their relative powers differently. thor hit g with a massive bolt when he first appeared in asgard although he was weakened there to some degree.

i think the distance between galactus and a skyfather has shrunk--a lot. in that same arc narration says that odin has fought wars that drove watchers mad just watching. could be that cates sees things differently from past writers.

@Squal, he straight up snatched the PC from Galactus and he did it casually. Galactus is far above them so yes, I feel that he could EASILY do the same to the Probes.

Originally posted by DantasKEdc
all probes arent those probes like some recycling program that essentially has endless probes if their ship doesnt get destroyed iirc?
Edit: Yeah, Just checked it. There are basically endless probes if the ship that creating those probes doesnt get destroyed
https://readcomiconline.li/Comic/JSA-Our-Worlds-at-War/Full?id=113379#4

Originally posted by leonidas
i don't know about that. maybe, but i think it was more the hammer than anything else. the lightning could have been amped i guess, but zeus did a number on galactus as well, and his amp was questionable.

Same.

Thor casually took pc from Galactus after consuming one of the super planets.
His power drain ability in that arc was no limits like.

Originally posted by Adam Grimes
And Thor beat Galactus like that only due to power draining.

I got told in another thread that Thor wouldn't be able to drain, say, Thanos with no one really disputing that claim. Not sure how that showing can translate here? Of course not. I don't think there's anybody quite at a level who thinks normal Thor without the PC and Odinfoce can drain an amped Galactus. And even with the Odin Force -- all he managed to do was get back the small portion that was endowed to him, then taken away, then got it back. He had the Odin Force + PC to drain Galactus completely.

As for the thread -- it depends what Asgard means, but most of it is fodder.

i'm not unsure about the need for the PC, but yeah, not without the OF for sure. thor's hammer is pretty haxx, but that's too big of a leap.

Originally posted by leonidas
i'm not unsure about the need for the PC, but yeah, not without the OF for sure. thor's hammer is pretty haxx, but that's too big of a leap. It's hard for me to take it valid as a general energy absorption feat even for Odin Power Thor given he was legit transformed/restructured not dissimilar to other heralds into a wielder in itself of the power cosmic:

https://ibb.co/PZsPYYk


https://ibb.co/rtgK06Y
https://ibb.co/ScHZPZN
https://ibb.co/4s9JGHJ


He essentially became specialized particularly in the Power Cosmic itself.

He almost seemed to "Shazam" himself with lightning in and out of the PC like against BRB:

https://ibb.co/hcc2Pmk
https://ibb.co/TBXPYYV

Then "Shazam"s it back:

https://ibb.co/Gt1qjQF
https://ibb.co/GVZf1QG

And once he was Cosmic he managed to drain Galactus entirely again -- take it within his body and again manipulate it with lightning into exploding:

https://ibb.co/hVBv9rm
https://ibb.co/q5tPZH7
https://ibb.co/fXF07j5

Legit curious how you feel about it, but I see this as kind of saying that since a Green Lantern can absorb the emerald energy, he can do so to Thanos . Thor was tailor made for the power cosmic there.

Originally posted by leonidas
i'm not unsure about the need for the PC, but yeah, not without the OF for sure. thor's hammer is pretty haxx, but that's too big of a leap.

Galactus in that arc took the PC from Thor and Thor snatched it back from Galactus as if it was nothing.

My power cosmic, you have taken it...

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-87a64b482eaa27e2ab0829d0f8d6d473
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-b43b448a95fa352e92cdaf12ce2fdfcc
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-0d8f381c775681a0c17ddcef64134ec3

Yeah, he clearly did that under his own power or more likely Mjolnir has the ability to enhance energy ten to a hundred fold. And it has the ability to teleport, travel time(used to), I'm assuming that once it has been given an energy source it probably has some way to replicate the original conduit of energy or something.

Originally posted by ShadowFyre
Yeah, he clearly did that under his own power or more likely Mjolnir has the ability to enhance energy ten to a hundred fold. And it has the ability to teleport, travel time(used to), I'm assuming that once it has been given an energy source it probably has some way to replicate the original conduit of energy or something.

You're giving Cates too much credit

i don't think it's a general absorption feat. i'm guessing that it would require the OF to allow him to control the amount of energy the hammer absorbed. even that's sort of hedging my bet against no limits though. correct me if i'm wrong, but it sounds a little like you're saying because he was granted the PC (really not even sure at what level--level of ss? more? he claimed he had 'herald' power--how much is that relative to the OF?) he was given a better understanding of it and hence was able to absorb and manipulate it in a way he wouldn't have otherwise been able to?

IF that's what you're saying, then maybe. can't say it's wrong, that's for sure. that doesn't quite work for me though because in the past thor has absorbed massively huge amounts of energy (you mentioned some of the bigger ones) but required no understanding of said energies to absorb them.

the reason i question whether the pc played a role in absorbing the power from galactus was because of this:

https://imgur.com/a/iDSQvu9

you GAVE me nothing--i TOOK your power. to me this implies thor ALLOWED himself to become a herald. as you said, it looks like he...'shazma'd' himself back to just regular king thor in the first scan, and yet, in the second one, he was still easily able to absorb galactus' power with no apparent manifestation of the PC. he gave no hint thta it was difficult or that he couldn't have taken more. maybe he was still accessing the pc in a way we can't see? not sure, but it didn't appear that way to me. here again:

https://imgur.com/a/IrbtIqk

it appears he is regular king thor, but again demonstrates his power against galactus. in these last couple, after he absorbed some of galactus's power he did change his appearance somewhat:

https://imgur.com/a/7QPRTjB

but after the earlier demonstrations, i'm not sure it's enough to say it was because of the PC that he was able to do what he did. again, maybe it was. i don't feel like anything is definite here. i do feel through that arc that thor was...sort of in charge of things the whole way through though. even before he gained the PC. the early galactus appeared pretty weak, clearly, but it just felt like cates wanted to imply thor had the upperhand throughout the arc to me. i can't really see any evidence to support the idea that the pc increased the power of the hammer (it was still getting heavier for him even after he gained the pc) and it seems to me it was the hammer that did the real work. certainly thor couldn't have done what he did without the hammer imo. but since i don't think the hammer was amped....

the question is could normal thor do what he did? like i said, no, i don't think so. but given some of the hammer's feats there probably isn't a great reason for me not to think so. i think with the OF if allowed him some extra control.



rambling. since thor has never done that, and since when he did it he had the PC, it's easy to say it's because of the PC, but it looked like he did some of the feats while not accessing the pc in the arc, and cates seems to imply thor could have done what he wanted at any time. you'll likely see it differently, but that's what i got from it.

as far as your lantern example: gl's have massive absorption feats. do i think it's impossible for normal hal to do what thor did? no. again, given some of his feats maybe i don't have a great reason for thinking that though. but could a skyfather hal do it? yeah, i def think so. and i don't think he'd need the pc to do it. shrug

Originally posted by leonidas
i don't think it's a general absorption feat. i'm guessing that it would require the OF to allow him to control the amount of energy the hammer absorbed. even that's sort of hedging my bet against no limits though. correct me if i'm wrong, but it sounds a little like you're saying because he was granted the PC (really not even sure at what level--level of ss? more? he claimed he had 'herald' power--how much is that relative to the OF?) he was given a better understanding of it and hence was able to absorb and manipulate it in a way he wouldn't have otherwise been able to?

IF that's what you're saying, then maybe. can't say it's wrong, that's for sure. that doesn't quite work for me though because in the past thor has absorbed massively huge amounts of energy (you mentioned some of the bigger ones) but required no understanding of said energies to absorb them.

the reason i question whether the pc played a role in absorbing the power from galactus was because of this:

https://imgur.com/a/iDSQvu9

you GAVE me nothing--i TOOK your power. to me this implies thor ALLOWED himself to become a herald. as you said, it looks like he...'shazma'd' himself back to just regular king thor in the first scan, and yet, in the second one, he was still easily able to absorb galactus' power with no apparent manifestation of the PC. he gave no hint thta it was difficult or that he couldn't have taken more. maybe he was still accessing the pc in a way we can't see? not sure, but it didn't appear that way to me. here again:

https://imgur.com/a/IrbtIqk

it appears he is regular king thor, but again demonstrates his power against galactus. in these last couple, after he absorbed some of galactus's power he did change his appearance somewhat:

https://imgur.com/a/7QPRTjB

but after the earlier demonstrations, i'm not sure it's enough to say it was because of the PC that he was able to do what he did. again, maybe it was. i don't feel like anything is definite here. i do feel through that arc that thor was...sort of in charge of things the whole way through though. even before he gained the PC. the early galactus appeared pretty weak, clearly, but it just felt like cates wanted to imply thor had the upperhand throughout the arc to me. i can't really see any evidence to support the idea that the pc increased the power of the hammer (it was still getting heavier for him even after he gained the pc) and it seems to me it was the hammer that did the real work. certainly thor couldn't have done what he did without the hammer imo. but since i don't think the hammer was amped....

the question is could normal thor do what he did? like i said, no, i don't think so. but given some of the hammer's feats there probably isn't a great reason for me not to think so. i think with the OF if allowed him some extra control.



rambling. since thor has never done that, and since when he did it he had the PC, it's easy to say it's because of the PC, but it looked like he did some of the feats while not accessing the pc in the arc, and cates seems to imply thor could have done what he wanted at any time. you'll likely see it differently, but that's what i got from it.

as far as your lantern example: gl's have massive absorption feats. do i think it's impossible for normal hal to do what thor did? no. again, given some of his feats maybe i don't have a great reason for thinking that though. but could a skyfather hal do it? yeah, i def think so. and i don't think he'd need the pc to do it. shrug I think we agree on the vast majority of points , but not on the ones that are up to interpretation. I'm going to try to make it more clear how I see it, since I think the Green Lantern analogy muddied things a bit. So -- I think there are a multitude of factors making this feat possible -- (1). The Odin Force and Mjolnir (2) "Shazam"ing himself the power cosmic with lightning and (3) which is Thor being transformed into a herald. I think (2) and (3) are also closely related -- Thor becoming a herald allowed him to essentially manipulate the PC itself (a) Turning it off at will through lightning and (b) Taking it back at will . Thor doesn't "just" absorb the PC using the Odin Force/Mjolnir -- he changes into Cosmic Thor. And the lightning being used in all instances -- when he changes back to 'normal' King Thor, when he takes it back from Galactus just to get to herald-level again, or when he drains Galactus entirely. After all, we see the lightning being used to channel the power cosmic at the end: https://ibb.co/rQVPhTv Now, is the lightning JUST "Odin Force" powered to be able to just manipulate/drain/shoot the PC like that ? Is it both a combination of Thor being a herald capable of manipulate the cosmic power AND the Odin Force/Mjolnir being able to use the lightning to manipulate it?

To supplement a bit my GL analogy -- imagine Surfer . Do you think that if he absorbs large quantities of the power cosmic in some theoretical instance, it applies to him draining Thanos, too? Or, since it's something that being transformed into a herald is his domain -- it's a very particular type of power showing? To get back to my GL analogy -- Hal has directly absorbed the entire Central Power Battery and reshaped the entire Multiverse, but I wouldn't argue that he could drain Spectre. BUT both Surfer, and Hal have absorbed various energy types -- but the particular power-source dependent ones don't apply all across the board. I don't think either of them could drain Thanos, or Celestials even if the particular feats pertaining to their power sources are of that magnitude.

Essentially -- do you think Old King Thor could have used lightning and whatnot at any point drained Galactus at will? Or do you think him being restructured into a recipient/herald-being factors into him specifically doing it to Galactus and it doesn't apply to Old King Thor ? Something like the latter would be my position -- and I think we both agree it's a possibility, even if you don't see it that way.

Originally posted by carver9
Galactus in that arc took the PC from Thor and Thor snatched it back from Galactus as if it was nothing.

True, but Thor caught Galactus unawares when he snatched back the Power Cosmic upgrade. Its doubtful he couldve done it if Galactus was aware and resisting.

Furthermore the fact that Thor wanted the Power Cosmic indicates it was giving him abilities beyond what he had just with the OdinForce.

So Im leaning towards Philosophias view that having the Power Cosmic upgrade is what allowed him to perform so well against Galactus. Its as if when it combined with his existing power it gave him an ability to manipulate and channel the Power Cosmic with parity to Galactus.

Im not convinced he couldve drained Galactus like he did without being attuned to the Power Cosmic.

But who knows who's right? All just interpretation.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
True, but Thor caught Galactus unawares when he snatched back the Power Cosmic upgrade. Its doubtful he couldve done it if Galactus was aware and resisting.


Dunno man. Aware or unaware, forcibly taking power from an amped Galactus seemed op.
Add the backdrop of 5 super planets that could potentially help defeat a trans universal entity in the Black Winter, it felt plot devicey. By that time G already had consumed one of these super planets.
The plot deviceyness of it is further reinforced when Thor casually took all of G's power when he was powered up by all 5 planets. Cates took it even further claiming that this was Galactus's most powerful version ever. And yet cosmic Thor took his power as if G stole it from him.

And taking it another step urther, odinforce at this time was not at classic levels due to a yet unrevealed villain, currently working in the background.

Last time I saw swaggerjacking like this was with Superwoman's baby.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17

Same.

Thor casually took pc from Galactus after consuming one of the super planets.
His power drain ability in that arc was
no limits like. It can be argued that Thor was able to do this ONLY because he had the power cosmic himself. In other words, Thor cant necessary drain beings who don't possess the power cosmic (like Knull, Thanos, etc).

Except he drained G at one point w/o power cosmic.

He's also drained or manipulated power not of his own in the past. So there's a precedent for him draining power that has has nothing to do with him.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
True, but Thor caught Galactus unawares when he snatched back the Power Cosmic upgrade. Its doubtful he couldve done it if Galactus was aware and resisting.

Furthermore the fact that Thor wanted the Power Cosmic indicates it was giving him abilities beyond what he had just with the OdinForce.

So Im leaning towards Philosophias view that having the Power Cosmic upgrade is what allowed him to perform so well against Galactus. Its as if when it combined with his existing power it gave him an ability to manipulate and channel the Power Cosmic with parity to Galactus.

Im not convinced he couldve drained Galactus like he did without being attuned to the Power Cosmic.

But who knows who's right? All just interpretation.

Yep, speculation at best. We can only go by what we see and Thor casually snatched power away from Galactus with Galactus having no defense against it. Galactus knew him and Thor was about to scuffle, so I'm sure his defenses were up. My entire point to this was, if Thor can do this to Galactus, the most powerful Galactus on panel (Galactus and Thor words) then Probes should be nothing to him.

Originally posted by h1a8
It can be argued that Thor was able to do this ONLY because he had the power cosmic himself. In other words, Thor cant necessary drain beings who don't possess the power cosmic (like Knull, Thanos, etc).

What are you even talking about? The scan posted above, he didn't even have the power cosmic when he drained Galactus.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Except he drained G at one point w/o power cosmic.

He's also drained or manipulated power not of his own in the past. So there's a precedent for him draining power that has has nothing to do with him.

When did he completely drain G without ever having the power cosmic?

Thor can absorb energy yes but what feats of him completely draining BEINGS?

Originally posted by carver9
What are you even talking about? The scan posted above, he didn't even have the power cosmic when he drained Galactus.

Thor had the power cosmic before. This most likely allowed him to absorb it back into himself. After he gained the power cosmic then he did what he did.

Prove it

Thor only took the power cosmic G originally gave him. He didn't completely drain G. He completely drained G after he had the power cosmic. Also it can be argued that G blasting Thor helped Thor absorb his power, through the channel of Gs blasts.

Originally posted by h1a8
Thor only took the power cosmic G originally gave him. He didn't completely drain G. He completely drained G after he had the power cosmic. Also it can be argued that G blasting Thor helped Thor absorb his power, through the channel of Gs blasts.

He didn't attempt to drain him dry. The same comic, he mentioned his goal was to help Galactus defeat the Winter. Be honest, did you read the comic?

https://ibb.co/njLs0H2

Also, it doesn't matter if he completely drained him or not. It proves that Probes are fodder to him.

So would Thor be able to do the same to say, the Phoenix Force? Assume it's a competent, powerful user.

@phil:



hmm, i'm not sure if i'm following you here. we've seen surfer absorb any number of different types of energy. he's certainly been able to absorb energy from other heralds at times, but he's no better at absorbing pc just because he's a pc entity than he is at absorbing most other types of energy. in fact, in this scan:

https://i.imgur.com/gioyIuf.jpg

he almost seems to imply it's somehow different absorbing pc from a herald. he can seemingly absorb it, but he still seemed to feel he had to break away for some reason. weird scene. later he indicates he can absorb his power, but from a distance. you'd think (following your line of logic) that surfer would have an EASIER time absorbing pc from a herald who is weaker than he is. but the case doesn't appear to be very clear cut.

as far as thanos--i could see ss being able to absorb small amounts of energy, but thanos' energy control simply exceeds ss's so thanos could stop it from happening at any time, or simply overload ss, which is also something we've seen happen.

i also feel mjolnir is much more effective at absorbing/draining energy than ss is. we saw thor effortlessly absorbing massive amounts of energy from the thanosi he battled. i don't think ss could ever do the same.



this is a tough question, but i think yes, skyfather thor would have been able to drain him. given the draining feats we've seen him pull off under his own power, add the OF and i think he could do it--not something i'd have believed prior to this arc. we've seen what his draining can do if regular thor is po'd--he literally almost killed the presence. i also freely admit it's obviously speculation and that you could be right, it could be a result of the PC. i wouldn't be shocked if in some other arc that's revealed to be the case. nor would i be surprised if my interpretation were shown correct.

i don't think the pc was necessary for a couple reason i mentioned--he seemed to have become regular king thor and effortlessly absorbed galactus's blasts. we've seen thor easily absorb pc in the past as well. there's also the fact that galactus couldn't take his pc back. that implies to me that mjolnir's/thor's energy manipulating skills simply exceed galactus's--even a galactus more powerful than he's ever been. that's...impressive--king thor's control over energy, even the pc, was greatly superior to galactus's.

those reasons aside, it also has to do with the narrative as a whole for me. like i said, it just felt like cates wanted us to see thor as being superior. at no point in the arc did galactus ever appear to threaten thor, while thor basically throttled galactus at will. if i viewed the feat in a vacuum, i'd likely agree with your interpretation. looking at the whole arc though, makes me doubt it was the pc that allowed thor to do what he did. clearly your view is valid--probably more valid than mine because as i said he performed the feat and HAD the pc--he's never performed said feat without it. that alone tilts evidence in your favor.

still, the overall tenor of the story makes me think cates' thor was simply a different beast from any other thor.

@h1--regular completely (voluntarily stopped just before killing him) drained the presence.

and yes, i'd think OF thor would be able to try something similar to the PF. the difference is, the PF imo is a larger energy source than even the galactus in the thor arc. when thor fought logan, he didn't really try absorbing it. maybe he knew he couldn't? that says more about the force to me than it does about thor/mjolnir. we saw what happened when rachel phoenix had a brief confrontation with thor, though, so i don't see why he couldn't absorb at least some of the force. now, with the pf being revealed as thor's mother, there's also that to factor into it. not sure how that would affect things one way or the other.

Originally posted by leonidas
hmm, i'm not sure if i'm following you here. we've seen surfer absorb any number of different types of energy. he's certainly been able to absorb energy from other heralds at times, but he's no better at absorbing pc just because he's a pc entity than he is at absorbing most other types of energy. in fact, in this scan:

https://i.imgur.com/gioyIuf.jpg

he almost seems to imply it's somehow different absorbing pc from a herald. he can seemingly absorb it, but he still seemed to feel he had to break away for some reason. weird scene. later he indicates he can absorb his power, but from a distance. you'd think (following your line of logic) that surfer would have an EASIER time absorbing pc from a herald who is weaker than he is. but the case doesn't appear to be very clear cut.

as far as thanos--i could see ss being able to absorb small amounts of energy, but thanos' energy control simply exceeds ss's so thanos could stop it from happening at any time, or simply overload ss, which is also something we've seen happen.

i also feel mjolnir is much more effective at absorbing/draining energy than ss is. we saw thor effortlessly absorbing massive amounts of energy from the thanosi he battled. i don't think ss could ever do the same.



this is a tough question, but i think yes, skyfather thor would have been able to drain him. given the draining feats we've seen him pull off under his own power, add the OF and i think he could do it--not something i'd have believed prior to this arc. we've seen what his draining can do if regular thor is po'd--he literally almost killed the presence. i also freely admit it's obviously speculation and that you could be right, it could be a result of the PC. i wouldn't be shocked if in some other arc that's revealed to be the case. nor would i be surprised if my interpretation were shown correct.

i don't think the pc was necessary for a couple reason i mentioned--he seemed to have become regular king thor and effortlessly absorbed galactus's blasts. we've seen thor easily absorb pc in the past as well. there's also the fact that galactus couldn't take his pc back. that implies to me that mjolnir's/thor's energy manipulating skills simply exceed galactus's--even a galactus more powerful than he's ever been. that's...impressive--king thor's control over energy, even the pc, was greatly superior to galactus's.

those reasons aside, it also has to do with the narrative as a whole for me. like i said, it just felt like cates wanted us to see thor as being superior. at no point in the arc did galactus ever appear to threaten thor, while thor basically throttled galactus at will. if i viewed the feat in a vacuum, i'd likely agree with your interpretation. looking at the whole arc though, makes me doubt it was the pc that allowed thor to do what he did. clearly your view is valid--probably more valid than mine because as i said he performed the feat and HAD the pc--he's never performed said feat without it. that alone tilts evidence in your favor.

still, the overall tenor of the story makes me think cates' thor was simply a different beast from any other thor. Yes, but next two pages you mentioned are relevant, since he has a hard time with the offensive heat-levels of Firelord but once he is outside the damaging effects, he effortlessly absorbs the power of Firelord and overloads him:

https://ibb.co/3TVzKk4
https://ibb.co/hHv56zr

Also, on the other side of the coin, Firelord has KOd Surfer and was about to take HIS power cosmic away from him:

https://ibb.co/bK0Gb4x

Heralds can hurt each other with the uses of PC of course. But they can also manipulate the PC because, well, that's what they are. They are by definition batteries of power cosmic, whose abilities are based on that specific power cosmic. Everything they do, 24/7, is manipulation, absorption and generation of power cosmic. Everything else is a by-product of that. So of course, being the thing they do, it's what they're best at manipulating.

Here is Surfer specifically said to be a battery of PC, draining his drained power cosmic from a doombot, without any problem:

https://ibb.co/ygQKZ9Y
https://ibb.co/S6BrdZY

Lots of examples, that you know of, of course.

It's not dissimilar to Hal being hurt by John, Kyle or whomever in combat with offensive power usages, but also being able to absorb geometrically higher amounts of energy by taking in the entire Central Power Battery inside himself and change the Multiverse.

Just because emerald energy can hurt GLs, doesn't mean it's not literally what powers them, the energy source they have the greatest control over -- allowing them to do everything.

Having control over literally what they are made of doesn't extent their control over non-PC/non-emerald power sources like Thanos' or Darkseid or whomever's at the same magnitude. Same way Cosmic King Thor manipulating the PC at Galactus magnitude as a herald doesn't mean he'd manipulate a different non-PC power source at that same magnitude. At least that's how I see it.

Either way, tangent aside -- how much PC Surfer can absorb, or how much he can manipulate -- the main point itself is that heralds control and absorb the power cosmic by definition -- so being a herald, in itself, lends itself on top of the Odin Force + Mjolnir + Lightning stuff --- and when Thor drained Galactus he was Herald Power + Odin Power and the Odin Force on top of that]. At the very least, in that particular draining , he had both of them. Were they needed? I'd assume so.

Now, when he Shazam'd himself back into Cosmic Thor, he technically only had the Odin Power there -- but (1) that was just the part that he took back that he gave away when talking to Bill and (2) his body was already turned into that of a herald in issue #1 -- all he did was "re-energize it" for a lack of a better term with the power cosmic. It seemed to me like even when he gave it away, he can easily reclaim it back and he was still a herald, sort to speak. I guess I can summarize it like this:

1. Cosmic King Thor form was there when he drained Galactus entirely. This form was King Thor amped with the PC. We both agree. Maybe you think the PC wasn't needed, given the general portrayal in the arc.
2. King Thor Shazam's his PC back in from Galactus. At this point, given his form is the one fitted to a herald does it give him anything extra from the Odin Force to summon it back with lightning? This is...unclear for me. But, in the end, for a part of the PC, maybe it doesn't even matter that much.

Could King Thor drain Galactus entirely without having been turned into a herald beforehand? Without any PC at his disposal which gives him even more ability to control the PC? I doubt it, tbh. I asked about Old King Thor because we had them face off. Of course, it was a different writer, so eh.

Reading the storyline, even though Thor had the Odin Force and Power Cosmic both when he drained Galactus completely, I do see your point that he was portrayed as not giving a shit about Galactus throughout the whole arc. Which, looking at Odin vs Galactus and then King Thor vs Galactus , well....

I think what's more confusing, besides the power-ups on top of power-ups, his body being restructured to become a herald and all that shit -- is the lightning. It seems all power transference -- giving it up, getting it back, draining it entirely -- happen through lightning. And the PC is even channeled imbued in lightning:

https://ibb.co/C80t61G

I mean, what's up with that? Why couldn't it simply be Odin Force manipulates the PC out of Galactus and it's absorbed inside restructured Thor through Mjolnir? Just a simple scene kind of like...

https://ibb.co/swGKKvv
https://ibb.co/89GRJHR

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Originally posted by carver9
He didn't attempt to drain him dry. The same comic, he mentioned his goal was to help Galactus defeat the Winter. Be honest, did you read the comic?

https://ibb.co/njLs0H2

Also, it doesn't matter if he completely drained him or not. It proves that Probes are fodder to him.

It does matter. Otherwise we would get a no limits fallacy.
Thor only took back what Galactus gave him. You have to prove that Thor could have drained an amped G without the use of the power cosmic and without Galactus blasting at him.