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Both canon versions and both at peak, who will win in each of the following:-

1. Light sabers only
2. Force powers and abilities (Force lightening is not allowed for Dooku)
3. H2H Combat only
4. All out fight with all of the above

Canon?

1. Maul
2. Close, I'll say Dooku
3. Maul
4. Unpopular opinion - Maul.

ONLY IF his arrogance and overconfidence don't get the better of him. When it comes to shear combat ability, Maul is better in canon.

With this being canon versions:

1. Maul, but it's really, really close. Could honestly go either way in terms of skill level (Maul's put up a great fight against Sidious, Dooku held his own for a time against Yoda). What I think gives Maul the edge is physicality and his sheer aggression against Dooku's more measured fighting style. Basically the same advantage that Anakin had against Dooku in Revenge of the Sith.

2. Dooku, no question. There's nothing Maul has done with the Force that Dooku couldn't replicate. On top of that, Dooku has Force lightning, and has shown the ability to deflect it as well. Maul, meanwhile, has never shown the ability to use Force lightning, nor has he ever displayed the ability to defend against it.

3. Maul, but again it's not going to be easy for him. Dooku has shown surprising skill at H2H against Obi-Wan and Anakin during Season 6. Once again, Maul's physicality and aggression should give him the advantage over Dooku here.

4. Very close, but I'm leaning toward Maul. Dooku could take it if he tried to keep distance between himself and Maul, spamming Force powers. But that's not really Dooku's preferred approach. He can't help himself from engaging in a lightsaber duel. And when he does, he's going to wind up on the back foot for most of this encounter. I also doubt that Dooku's Force lightning is powerful enough to put down Maul decisively.

Dooku in all. But H2H not sure.

Originally posted by Underachiever59
With this being canon versions:

1. Maul, but it's really, really close. Could honestly go either way in terms of skill level (Maul's put up a great fight against Sidious, Dooku held his own for a time against Yoda). What I think gives Maul the edge is physicality and his sheer aggression against Dooku's more measured fighting style. Basically the same advantage that Anakin had against Dooku in Revenge of the Sith.

2. Dooku, no question. There's nothing Maul has done with the Force that Dooku couldn't replicate. On top of that, Dooku has Force lightning, and has shown the ability to deflect it as well. Maul, meanwhile, has never shown the ability to use Force lightning, nor has he ever displayed the ability to defend against it.

3. Maul, but again it's not going to be easy for him. Dooku has shown surprising skill at H2H against Obi-Wan and Anakin during Season 6. Once again, Maul's physicality and aggression should give him the advantage over Dooku here.

4. Very close, but I'm leaning toward Maul. Dooku could take it if he tried to keep distance between himself and Maul, spamming Force powers. But that's not really Dooku's preferred approach. He can't help himself from engaging in a lightsaber duel. And when he does, he's going to wind up on the back foot for most of this encounter. I also doubt that Dooku's Force lightning is powerful enough to put down Maul decisively.
Cool Good points ! Not sure myself but force abilities like telekensis etc whose more powerfull and has better feats out of the two etc?

Originally posted by ozz81
Cool Good points ! Not sure myself but force abilities like telekensis etc whose more powerfull and has better feats out of the two etc?

Maul technically has more frequent large scale TK feats, but Dooku's casual TK feat while training Savage is basically equal to most of what we've seen Maul do.

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/ShrillAromaticCygnet-mobile.mp4

Maul's only feat above what we've seen Dooku do is when he destroyed the engines of a Venator, but that took him considerable time and effort. Nothing we have says Dooku couldn't replicate said feat with a similar amount of time. And even then, it's not much more impressive than when Dooku collapsed a massive cave enterance in TCW.

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/NearLittleHochstettersfrog-mobile.mp4

The casual ease with which Dooku pulls off feats on a similar scale to which Maul usually performs out of desperation leads me to believe Dooku is probably more powerful than Maul, and just hasn't been in situations where he's needed to display high end feats like pushing a ship.

My thoughts are if Yoda and Dooku are close enough in force powers that it comes to a lightsaber duel, it definitely would be the same for maul and Dooku. Maul is canonically proven to be the superior combatant, so as long as Maul doesn't do anything stupid (unlikely) Maul SHOULD win.

Probably Maul in all except maybe force powers, not sure about that one.

Dooku all day long.

How is the guy who consistently loses to Kenobi and was bested by Ahsoka beating Dooku?

Maul can take h2h. That's it.

Originally posted by ares834
How is the guy who consistently loses to Kenobi and was bested by Ahsoka beating Dooku?

Maul can take h2h. That's it.

The same reason why Maul lost to Kenobi in TPM. The same reason why Anakin lost to Obi-wan in rots. Same reason why Maul lost to a blinded Kanan in rebels. Power and saber skills aren't everything when it comes to an outcome of a duel. It's about what fits the storyline. The theme of joining the dark side is yes, it's quick, easy, and leads to great power, but it also comes with arrogance and over-confidence. When a dark-side user loses, it's often due to that (but not always).

The key differentiator in this fight is saber skills, which Maul is canonically proven to be the greater of the two. If he can keep his head on correctly, he'll win. If not, Dooku can realistically take this too.

When was Maul canonically proven to be better than Dooku in anything let alone lightsabers?

Originally posted by juggernaut74
When was Maul canonically proven to be better than Dooku in anything let alone lightsabers?

oh Yeah remember that top 5 list ranked Maul ranked higher than dooku...
Savage nearly bested dooku when he knocked Dookus light saber out of his hands also when he forced pushed dooku away , pretty impressive i reckon if savage can do that Maul should be able to do better as hes better then Savage....

Sounds like y'all are butt hurt.

Originally posted by ozz81
oh Yeah remember that top 5 list ranked Maul ranked higher than dooku...
Savage nearly bested dooku when he knocked Dookus light saber out of his hands also when he forced pushed dooku away , pretty impressive i reckon if savage can do that Maul should be able to do better as hes better then Savage....

Agreed. Obi-wan can do it as well as he's also better than Savage... Wait a moment.

Anyway, Maul is barely more competent than Ahsoka. Even if we dismiss his loss due to overconfidence, the fact that she lasted as long and pushed him as hard as she does does not speak well of Maul's ability. I'm far more inclined to give credence to the duels we observed over a dubious list.

Originally posted by ares834
Agreed. Obi-wan can do it as well as he's also better than Savage... Wait a moment.

Anyway, Maul is barely more competent than Ahsoka. Even if we dismiss his loss due to overconfidence, the fact that she lasted as long and pushed him as hard as she does does not speak well of Maul's ability. I'm far more inclined to give credence to the duels we observed over a dubious list.

Yeah good point but Obi sort of caught savage of guard ie kicking the leg etc.. In their other duels savage didnt do so bad against Obi ie when he dueled both aniken and obi , also when he knocks Obis saber out of his hands or disarms him..
Yes but when Maul fought ahsoka he had no intention to outright kill her some say maul was holding back with that regard ie not going for the kill just to capture her..filoni also said maul was more skilled then her.. Yeah well i guess if the list is canon then it does hold some water..

Ahsoka is better than Dooku, Maul being her superior puts him as well

Wtf Dooku wins of course

If Maul was better than Dooku Kenobi have never been tooled multiple times by Dooku.

Maul and Kenobi are usually even.

I only think Rebels Maul wins, TCW Maul kinda getting slapped.

It is true that A>B>C logic doesn't always work. Fights have circumstances beyond just the skill and power levels of the combatants.

But the gap here is just too large. Maul and Obi-Wan are essentially more or less equal (with Obi-Wan being slightly superior during the Clone Wars and clearly superior during Rebels). Dooku is much better than Obi-Wan in both sabers and force powers, as clearly shown in CW Season 6 and ROTS.

If Maul ever had any chance against Dooku, he would have never struggled with defeating and killing Obi-Wan.

Originally posted by ares834


Even if we dismiss his loss due to overconfidence,



Theres no IF about it. He disarmed her weapons and he Had her Beat (just had to slice the other side of the beam). The director also flat out said she was the inferior combatant.

That said theres no arguing it was a genuinely good fight.


Originally posted by ares834


I'm far more inclined to give credence to the duels we observed over a dubious list.


This I agree with. Even comics and novels get contradicted easily. So a list in a source book really means squat next to actual on screen fights and feats.

It seems despite what they claim the old canon system of Movies > Animation > Everything else... is still firmly in place.

Originally posted by JediMaster97
But the gap here is just too large. Maul and Obi-Wan are essentially more or less equal (with Obi-Wan being slightly superior during the Clone Wars and clearly superior during Rebels). Dooku is much better than Obi-Wan in both sabers and force powers, as clearly shown in CW Season 6 and ROTS.



This.

Filoni clearly debunked the whole Maul >/= Dooku idea.

Maul seems much more on par with Rebels Ahsoka. Whatever level you put her at.

I mean, Palpatine put a lot more time/effort into Maul -- he was acquired when he was just a child, and Palpatine spent the next several years(a decade or two) intensely training him as a proper Sith apprentice. Conversely, Dooku was already a well-seasoned Jedi Master when Palpatine recruited him -- Palps taught him a few things, pointed him toward the Separatists, and said *GO!*.

So you could interpret that as the reason why Palpatine regarded Maul as more of a "loss" than Dooku. It's also conceivable that Maul possessed more raw/untapped potential than Dooku, which may have also factored into Palpatine's assessment.

^^ Awesome, well said Galan like how you explained it !

Basically Maul got handpicked by the strongest force user in the universe to be a proper apprentice for all his life and still lost to a padawan while Dooku rose through the jedi ranks constantly blocked by Yoda as the working class hero of the sith