French President Macron slapped by alleged Far Right Royalist

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StyleTime
https://youtu.be/dRDj-3K2ixs

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The man apparently yells "Montjoie Saint Denis, a bas la Macronie." The first three words being a medieval battle cry that modern French Royalists use as a rallying call today.

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Old Man Whirly!

Robtard
Far-Right violence strikes again and knows no borders. smh

Old Man Whirly!
Originally posted by Robtard
Far-Right violence strikes again and knows no borders. smh Yup!

Bashar Teg
do all far-rightists slap like little girls?

Old Man Whirly!
Originally posted by Bashar Teg
do all far-rightists slap like little girls? I think so!

snowdragon
Originally posted by Bashar Teg
do all far-rightists slap like little girls?

Have you been slapped lately, lol.

Scribble
modern French being shit as **** as usual. get back to beheading the rich, you dumb bastards.



Macron is scum.

Robtard
Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
I actualy don't mind Macron and I have many friends in France. But this is so french it's brilliant cultural stereotyping. Sacre bleu mon ami!

I don't know a ton about him, but he was clearly the better choice compared to that Far-Right Marine Le Pen

Scribble
"better choice"


pathetic Democrat scum ^ **** your government and their do-nothing voting lmao


what else to expect from an American tho, really?

StyleTime
I am fascinated by these Royalists, Monarchists, and other factions who'd like to re-instate a monarchal system in their country. As an American, we don't really deal with this political ideology: we've never had a king or queen so it's not an issue that comes up. They exist I suppose, but mostly in the online world. Maybe our members from countries like that can comment on it? I imagine it's a fringe ideology even in Europe, but has support grown for it any way recently? In the news, I've seen Imperialists making a bit of comeback in Japan too.

I assumed we were all in agreement that using kings/queens/emporers/whatever was a shit system. I learned a while ago that many reject the idea of a republic, and I visited sites like the monarchist sub-reddit and others to learn the arguments for it. It's....interesting. I see folks painting the French Revolutionaries like traitors and terrorists who kept the nobility from properly doing their job.

cdtm
Originally posted by Bashar Teg
do all far-rightists slap like little girls?

Just French far righters.

Artol
Not a fan of far right royalists, but Macron deserves to be slapped, he's shit.

Klaw
Originally posted by Artol
Not a fan of far right royalists, but Macron deserves to be slapped, he's shit.

Why?

Artol
Originally posted by Klaw
Why?

He's a neoliberal shill that comes from the French elite and has worked tirelessly to stack the deck further in favor of that elite, undermining protections that French labour has fought hard for, to ensure that a few people make more money. This is not a new development either he has been working on this project since Sarkozy's presidency at least. His policies are broadly unpopular, as you can see in the continuous protests in France, he's very much disliked as a president, and also his incredible unpopularity is making it much more likely that Marine LePen will get into power.

ilikecomics
Originally posted by StyleTime
I am fascinated by these Royalists, Monarchists, and other factions who'd like to re-instate a monarchal system in their country. As an American, we don't really deal with this political ideology: we've never had a king or queen so it's not an issue that comes up. They exist I suppose, but mostly in the online world. Maybe our members from countries like that can comment on it? I imagine it's a fringe ideology even in Europe, but has support grown for it any way recently? In the news, I've seen Imperialists making a bit of comeback in Japan too.

I assumed we were all in agreement that using kings/queens/emporers/whatever was a shit system. I learned a while ago that many reject the idea of a republic, and I visited sites like the monarchist sub-reddit and others to learn the arguments for it. It's....interesting. I see folks painting the French Revolutionaries like traitors and terrorists who kept the nobility from properly doing their job.

Monarchy is superior to democracy.

Monarchy = private ownership of government
Democracy= publicly owned government

A natural order is superior to both

Artol
Originally posted by ilikecomics
Monarchy is superior to democracy.

Monarchy = private ownership of government
Democracy= publicly owned government

A natural order is superior to both

What do you think a natural order is?

ilikecomics
Originally posted by Artol
What do you think a natural order is?

A society based on mutual consent and non aggression.

Adam_PoE
Originally posted by Scribble
"better choice"


pathetic Democrat scum ^ **** your government and their do-nothing voting lmao


what else to expect from an American tho, really?

Yes, he is quite literally better than a Nazi. The fact that you think those things are equivalent speaks volumes about you.

ilikecomics
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Yes, he is quite literally better than a Nazi. The fact that you think those things are equivalent speaks volumes about you.

Democratic. Republics gave rise to fascism and communism, not the other way around.

Newjak
Originally posted by ilikecomics
Monarchy is superior to democracy.

Monarchy = private ownership of government
Democracy= publicly owned government

A natural order is superior to both Wow how much mental logic did you have to jump through to get to this BS.

Artol
But if you think about it Monarchy is worse than Democracy, because Monarchy led to Democracy which then gave rise to Fascism and Communism....

Klaw
Monarchy and Democracy are both bad.

Scribble
Originally posted by Scribble
"better choice"


pathetic Democrat scum ^ **** your government and their do-nothing voting lmao


what else to expect from an American tho, really? I entirely take this back, I was drunk and trying feebly to troll, usually I can come up with something okay but this is just lame and pathetic. Apologies to Rob and everyone else for having to read it

Old Man Whirly!
Originally posted by Scribble
I entirely take this back, I was drunk and trying feebly to troll, usually I can come up with something okay but this is just lame and pathetic. Apologies to Rob and everyone else for having to read it thumb up

ilikecomics
Originally posted by Newjak
Wow how much mental logic did you have to jump through to get to this BS.

The book I'm currently reading makes a good case for it smile

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy:_The_God_That_Failed

I love how you act like I don't take reasoned positions and just make it up as I go.

What's the difference between mental logic and regular logic ?

Adam_PoE
Originally posted by ilikecomics
Democratic. Republics gave rise to fascism and communism, not the other way around.

What does this have to do with Jean-Marie Le Pen being a ****ing Nazi?

Robtard
Just like her father, apple didn't fall far from the tree.

ilikecomics
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
What does this have to do with Jean-Marie Le Pen being a ****ing Nazi?

You were implying that Nazis and democrats are super different, I'm saying not really.

This is especially true about neo cons, at least in America

Adam_PoE
Originally posted by ilikecomics
You were implying that Nazis and democrats are super different, I'm saying not really.

This is especially true about neo cons, at least in America

If you think that, then you are a ****ing retard.

ilikecomics
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
If you think that, then you are a ****ing retard.

The neocons, which came about during the 60s ala will Buckley and national review, which was cia funded, going all the way up through to the Buchananites fostered ostensibly conservative social values, while paradoxically breaking with the anti war tradition of the pre 40s old right, a loose grouping of conservatives thinkers that were unanimously anti interventionist in the economy and foreign trade.
The warfare state promoted in this lineage of thought is intrinsically socialist economically and nationalistic in policy aka national socialism.

You shouldn't call people names. It's not very nice.
You're worth patience and love.

Scribble
ilikecomics is based.

ilikecomics
Originally posted by Scribble
ilikecomics is based.

Happy Dance Happy Dance Happy Dance

You too, scribble.

Edit:
Prediction: newjak will call me a name, say that idk history, or that human nature is complex.

Adam_PoE
Originally posted by ilikecomics
The neocons, which came about during the 60s ala will Buckley and national review, which was cia funded, going all the way up through to the Buchananites fostered ostensibly conservative social values, while paradoxically breaking with the anti war tradition of the pre 40s old right, a loose grouping of conservatives thinkers that were unanimously anti interventionist in the economy and foreign trade.
The warfare state promoted in this lineage of thought is intrinsically socialist economically and nationalistic in policy aka national socialism.

You shouldn't call people names. It's not very nice.
You're worth patience and love.

I call a spade a spade. And if you genuinely think that a centrist political party is equivalent to a far-right political ideology, then you are too stupid to have a conversation with. You like comics? Maybe you should like a ****ing text book.

ilikecomics
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
I call a spade a spade. And if you genuinely think that a centrist political party is equivalent to a far-right political ideology, then you are too stupid to have a conversation with. You like comics? Maybe you should like a ****ing text book.

I sell books for a living and read every day.

I just read games and infinite games by James p carse, because it was mentioned in present shock by Douglas roushkoff, which I also read.
Before that I finished human action by Ludwig von mises and now I'm reading democracy:the god that failed.

You can get it for 25-40 bucks online, or you can buy my copy when I'm done with it, only have 30 or so pages left.

After you read it, you can email him and call him a retard if you want.

ilikecomics
Originally posted by Artol
But if you think about it Monarchy is worse than Democracy, because Monarchy led to Democracy which then gave rise to Fascism and Communism....

Just because something follows doesn't mean it's worse.

For example, a natural order could arise from democracy, this wouldn't mean a natural order is bad.

Democracy, fascism, and communism could have arose in any order and they'd still be just as bad.

Scribble
Fascism is a natural outcropping of a Democratic system anyway. My source is every Fascist nation in history.


If anyone thinks Trump is earnestly a fascist then y'know he did kinda get democratically elected, so maybe those precious democratic systems aren't as great as some like to pretend.

Scribble
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
You like comics? Maybe you should like a ****ing text book. lmao I bet Adam has read zero actual academic texts. Probably read Fire & Fury and that's it for the past ten years. True brainlet, ngl.


Adam is the kinda guy to watch Drag Race and CNN and consider it praxis.

Klaw
Democrats aren't Centrist at all.

They're Center to Far Left.

Scribble
Originally posted by Klaw
Democrats aren't Centrist at all.

They're Center to Far Left. Nah, they're not. I'm "Far Left" because I consider Capitalism to be the true enemy of humanity, and a force that must be toppled to progress humanity to a better place. I would support subjugation of corporations on a state level, despite disliking the state in general (necessary evil in a vile world). I believe in absolute free healthcare and an abolishment of coercive institutions such as forced labour, and would push the bourgeoisie through a sausage grinder to achieve such an end. Foreign intervention is always wrong, in fact, War Is Murder.

Anyone who supports Biden is not in any way 'Left'. Bidencrats are centre to centre-right, but nobody understands the political spectrum anymore.

Berniecrats are Left, Bernie is borderline Far Left (barely), but being part of the Democrat Part of America, he would never lead a Leftist party. They will always be Capitalist Scum, Centrists, and Warmongers.

If you are democratic in any form, you are not truly "Far Left". Democracy is authoritarian by nature.

Adam_PoE
Originally posted by ilikecomics
I sell books for a living and read every day.

I just read games and infinite games by James p carse, because it was mentioned in present shock by Douglas roushkoff, which I also read.
Before that I finished human action by Ludwig von mises and now I'm reading democracy:the god that failed.

You can get it for 25-40 bucks online, or you can buy my copy when I'm done with it, only have 30 or so pages left.

After you read it, you can email him and call him a retard if you want.

Wow. By that reasoning, the salesperson at the car dealership must build the cars too. What a complete fool.

Adam_PoE
Originally posted by Scribble
lmao I bet Adam has read zero actual academic texts. Probably read Fire & Fury and that's it for the past ten years. True brainlet, ngl.


Adam is the kinda guy to watch Drag Race and CNN and consider it praxis.

You got catfished by a pervert on a dead message board, and coerced into performing sexual acts on camera for his amusement. That is some real galaxy-brained thinker stuff right there.

ilikecomics
Originally posted by Scribble
Nah, they're not. I'm "Far Left" because I consider Capitalism to be the true enemy of humanity, and a force that must be toppled to progress humanity to a better place. I would support subjugation of corporations on a state level, despite disliking the state in general (necessary evil in a vile world). I believe in absolute free healthcare and an abolishment of coercive institutions such as forced labour, and would push the bourgeoisie through a sausage grinder to achieve such an end. Foreign intervention is always wrong, in fact, War Is Murder.

Anyone who supports Biden is not in any way 'Left'. Bidencrats are centre to centre-right, but nobody understands the political spectrum anymore.

Berniecrats are Left, Bernie is borderline Far Left (barely), but being part of the Democrat Part of America, he would never lead a Leftist party. They will always be Capitalist Scum, Centrists, and Warmongers.

We just disagree on capitalism, which is a big difference, but agree on alot. Appreciate your posts.

If you are democratic in any form, you are not truly "Far Left". Democracy is authoritarian by nature.

Artol
Originally posted by Scribble
Fascism is a natural outcropping of a Democratic system anyway. My source is every Fascist nation in history.


If anyone thinks Trump is earnestly a fascist then y'know he did kinda get democratically elected, so maybe those precious democratic systems aren't as great as some like to pretend.

What alternative do you favor?

ilikecomics
Originally posted by Artol
What alternative do you favor?

My alternative is natural order; based on non aggression, property rights, and mutually consented trade.

Scribble
Originally posted by Artol
What alternative do you favor? Philosophically I am a Left-Anarchist, but that's not to say I'd have the system suddenly 'implemented', I just think that if I were to envision a 'perfect' natural world order, it would be one where we outgrow the need for strict systems and coercive economic models and start to properly govern ourselves, as it were. So I try to carry myself in an anarchistic sense, where I follow rules I consider moral / justified, and defy others without making a statement about it. No gods / no masters, etc., you know what Left-Anarchism is.


Politically I am a Pessimist, i.e. I do not have any hope that humanity will outgrow its teenagehood, and generally believe that the global Capitalist system we have created, bolstered by this grotesque tyranny of Democracy and Neoliberal attitudes, will likely cause our extinction before too long.


I will probably vote as Left as possible if I believe there is a chance they may win, but again, I'm pretty pessimistic about the chances of that happening. I also believe that if there is a 'prole uprising' in my country or the US, the chances are it will be reactionary, and thus fascistic.


Hope I kind of answered the question and didn't just ramble lol.

ilikecomics
Originally posted by Scribble
Philosophically I am a Left-Anarchist, but that's not to say I'd have the system suddenly 'implemented', I just think that if I were to envision a 'perfect' natural world order, it would be one where we outgrow the need for strict systems and coercive economic models and start to properly govern ourselves, as it were. So I try to carry myself in an anarchistic sense, where I follow rules I consider moral / justified, and defy others without making a statement about it. No gods / no masters, etc., you know what Left-Anarchism is.


Politically I am a Pessimist, i.e. I do not have any hope that humanity will outgrow its teenagehood, and generally believe that the global Capitalist system we have created, bolstered by this grotesque tyranny of Democracy and Neoliberal attitudes, will likely cause our extinction before too long.


I will probably vote as Left as possible if I believe there is a chance they may win, but again, I'm pretty pessimistic about the chances of that happening. I also believe that if there is a 'prole uprising' in my country or the US, the chances are it will be reactionary, and thus fascistic.


Hope I kind of answered the question and didn't just ramble lol.



It's amazing how much you get correct, then take a LEFT turn into commie ville.

I don't disagree with anything you said in this specific post.

Scribble
Originally posted by ilikecomics
It's amazing how much you get correct, then take a LEFT turn into commie ville.

I don't disagree with anything you said in this specific post. I mean yeah I'm definitely left-wing, I spent time playing with more conservative and capitalist ideas and eventually unspooled them and realised I couldn't defend them. Markets are possible under left-anarchism but coercive economic systems defeat the point of anarchism in general. An anarchist system that is not approached from a left-perspective will inevitably lead into a corpo-feudal system, which I am not a fan of at all. Money is slavery.


I'm sympathetic to communism, i.e. actual ideological communism (not auth-state communism), because its end goal is a form of communal-anarchism that I agree with, but I don't think a Dictatorship of the Proletariat would end in anything but continued tyranny and murder, etc. That's my Pessimist side coming out again lol.

ilikecomics
Originally posted by Scribble
I mean yeah I'm definitely left-wing, I spent time playing with more conservative and capitalist ideas and eventually unspooled them and realised I couldn't defend them. Markets are possible under left-anarchism but coercive economic systems defeat the point of anarchism in general. An anarchist system that is not approached from a left-perspective will inevitably lead into a corpo-feudal system, which I am not a fan of at all. Money is slavery.


I'm sympathetic to communism, i.e. actual ideological communism (not auth-state communism), because its end goal is a form of communal-anarchism that I agree with, but I don't think a Dictatorship of the Proletariat would end in anything but continued tyranny and murder, etc. That's my Pessimist side coming out again lol.

Have you came across a way to avoid or replace money ?

You're right about communism, you're not being pessimistic.

Scribble
Originally posted by ilikecomics
Have you came across a way to avoid or replace money ?

You're right about communism, you're not being pessimistic. Utilising technology to remove Need. Thus people have all they need (food, clothing, shelter), and can then trade various things for other things they Want. And people would be free to create whatever they like and do whatever they like. Technology is already at a point where most jobs are pointless, Capitalism just keeps dreaming up new bureaucratic absurdities to keep people servile, chained and exploited.

Where is the point in an anarchist society if you are still restrained by basic survival needs? That isn't freedom, and it creates the circumstances for servitude. Hence why any form of anarchism without a left-leaning modern social approach would only ever result in new feudal or monarchist systems developing.

Any future I can imagine as in any way positive must be built by moving past, 'dismantling' (the safest method) or destroying Capitalism. Hence why I'm distinctly Left, etc.

Blakemore

Darth Thor
Originally posted by ilikecomics
My alternative is natural order; based on non aggression, property rights, and mutually consented trade.


Random question, but just out of curiosity, do you believe in needing a driving licence to drive.

ilikecomics
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Random question, but just out of curiosity, do you believe in needing a driving licence to drive.

No.

I don't believe in any licensing requirements enforced by coercion.

ilikecomics
Originally posted by Scribble
Utilising technology to remove Need. Thus people have all they need (food, clothing, shelter), and can then trade various things for other things they Want. And people would be free to create whatever they like and do whatever they like. Technology is already at a point where most jobs are pointless, Capitalism just keeps dreaming up new bureaucratic absurdities to keep people servile, chained and exploited.

Where is the point in an anarchist society if you are still restrained by basic survival needs? That isn't freedom, and it creates the circumstances for servitude. Hence why any form of anarchism without a left-leaning modern social approach would only ever result in new feudal or monarchist systems developing.

Any future I can imagine as in any way positive must be built by moving past, 'dismantling' (the safest method) or destroying Capitalism. Hence why I'm distinctly Left, etc.


If everyone hase free access to say, water, how is this possible without a centralized control of the water ?

To me, the choice is either socialism, which collapses into violence every time, or free trade aka civilization.

Scribble
Originally posted by ilikecomics
If everyone hase free access to say, water, how is this possible without a centralized control of the water ?

To me, the choice is either socialism, which collapses into violence every time, or free trade aka civilization. I haven't seen 'civilisation' work yet lmao, goes for 'socialism' (which has always existed in a capitalist world anyway) and especially the nightmarescape of Capitalism. Just poverty and hellish murder everywhere. Everything fails. We're humans. We're ****ing useless.


Free access to clean water is not some superhuman hippy-dippy goal, it's really ****ing easy.


"Free trade" is not even really a thing. Monopolies arise instantly and thus freedom is annihilated in the same stroke. Freedom will not exist until people learn to fully co-operate and enact global mutual aid. Left-wing anarchist ideals are our only road to what could be considered 'true liberty'

Darth Thor
Originally posted by ilikecomics
No.

I don't believe in any licensing requirements enforced by coercion.


Okay thanks for your honesty. Was just confirming what I heard about the views of Libertarians.

ilikecomics
Originally posted by Scribble
I haven't seen 'civilisation' work yet lmao, goes for 'socialism' (which has always existed in a capitalist world anyway) and especially the nightmarescape of Capitalism. Just poverty and hellish murder everywhere. Everything fails. We're humans. We're ****ing useless.


Free access to clean water is not some superhuman hippy-dippy goal, it's really ****ing easy.


"Free trade" is not even really a thing. Monopolies arise instantly and thus freedom is annihilated in the same stroke. Freedom will not exist until people learn to fully co-operate and enact global mutual aid. Left-wing anarchist ideals are our only road to what could be considered 'true liberty'

Civilization = free association, respect of property rights, and free trade.
If you look at the work of Steven pinker in the better angels of our nature, you'd know overall that violence is decreasing. A decrease in violence is a good toward the production and protection of civilization.

You and I now are in a free association that is violence free and arbitrated by mods, not cops. No one is forcing us to be here, this is civilization.

Free trade is an exchange by two parties, so websites like EBay or depop disagree that free trade doesn't exist.

Monopolies only exist via the violence of the government or they naturally arise if a company can make the most efficient use of the factors of production to provide for the wants of the consumer. I'm against the former and very much for the latter.

Everything doesn't fail or we wouldn't have skyscrapers, literature, the internet, Bitcoin etc. This is where your pessimism shows imo


When you say you want free water I immediately think of other places with free water... Free food, free room and board, where forced equality is a virtue... Those exist and they're called prisons.

The division of labor is the ultimate expression of humans working together and the quintessential mechanism for civilization to manifest.

I beg you to read this, it illuminates how beautiful the division of labor is and how it accomplishes the impossible.
It's not very long and you don't have to agree with it, but you'll know one of the things that put the passion of the artist in my gut.

https://mises.org/library/i-pencil

ilikecomics
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Okay thanks for your honesty. Was just confirming what I heard about the views of Libertarians.

I'm always honest about my views. The ideas are beautiful poetry and I want to tell as many people as possible.

To me I am a window maker. This means my job is to make my window so flawlessly you can hardly tell it's there. The beautiful view beyond the window is the idea.

Do you take licensing via force as an inherent good ?

Scribble
Originally posted by ilikecomics
Civilization = free association, respect of property rights, and free trade.
If you look at the work of Steven pinker in the better angels of our nature, you'd know overall that violence is decreasing. A decrease in violence is a good toward the production and protection of civilization.

You and I now are in a free association that is violence free and arbitrated by mods, not cops. No one is forcing us to be here, this is civilization.

Free trade is an exchange by two parties, so websites like EBay or depop disagree that free trade doesn't exist.

Monopolies only exist via the violence of the government or they naturally arise if a company can make the most efficient use of the factors of production to provide for the wants of the consumer. I'm against the former and very much for the latter.

Everything doesn't fail or we wouldn't have skyscrapers, literature, the internet, Bitcoin etc. This is where your pessimism shows imo


When you say you want free water I immediately think of other places with free water... Free food, free room and board, where forced equality is a virtue... Those exist and they're called prisons.

The division of labor is the ultimate expression of humans working together and the quintessential mechanism for civilization to manifest.

I beg you to read this, it illuminates how beautiful the division of labor is and how it accomplishes the impossible.
It's not very long and you don't have to agree with it, but you'll know one of the things that put the passion of the artist in my gut.

https://mises.org/library/i-pencil So do you think those unable to work are undeserving of life? What about disabled people? If they can't work and have no family to support them, they should just die in the street? Sounds pretty shit to me. Sounds like Tory Britain (Conservative, Capitalist).

Your ideas are cool and cute but forget to account for way too many factors. If you don't support forms of mutual aid you're basically a eugenicist, and that ain't no anarchism by me. Your idea of life sounds like forced labour under landlords and bosses to make ends meet, not humanity cooperating to make life free and accessible to, you know, humans.

I get the perspective but it holds no ground imo. It's just Capitalist Feudalism.

snowdragon
That utopia will never happen.

Scribble
Btw I read the article and I don't see how this couldn't apply to communally owned and managed industry. Why should one man at the top become a lord over all he employs whilst those who actually make the pencils languish in poverty and servitude? Forced survival labour is slavery. It is State, it is antiliberty. It is creation of class and thus no better than what we have now. Companies and corporations are to be trusted less even than government.

Scribble
Originally posted by snowdragon
That utopia will never happen. Well yeah. humanity will die screaming. Hence I am a political pessimist.

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