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If germany never started a war to get defeated. How good of a country would they be now. Military and Economic wise? Would they match the US?

No, they wouldn't be "better" (more powerful globally) than America, but they'd have been allies. The US supported Hitler until he started the war.

We'd be about 20 years behind Scientifically, so not as advanced for sure

Originally posted by HumbleServant
If germany never started a war to get defeated. How good of a country would they be now. Military and Economic wise? Would they match the US?

Frankly the USA benefited massively from WWII it took a world to tumble to build a new superpower.

Originally posted by snowdragon
Frankly the USA benefited massively from WWII it took a world to tumble to build a new superpower. Yup, the British would still be the dominant power as it should be Natural order would be restored.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
Yup, the British would still be the dominant power as it should be Natural order would be restored.

I leave you lot alone for five ****ing minutes...

I mean yeah things would be so different that it's barely even worth thinking about, really, unless we're planning on writing a speculative fiction novel. But Germany would not be as powerful as the US either way.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
We'd be about 20 years behind Scientifically, so not as advanced for sure Germany or USA?

Originally posted by -Pr-
I leave you lot alone for five ****ing minutes...

if there was a proper treaty signed after ww1, would fascism have even been a threat in germany?

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
if there was a proper treaty signed after ww1, would fascism have even been a threat in germany? Yup, that was down to the British too of course.

Would their have been womens lib, the welfare state etc in the UK. I suspect a far more Conservative world.

Okay, so fix Germany, Ireland and USA. Any other countries us brits have to fix?

Originally posted by Blakemore
Okay, so fix Germany, Ireland and USA. Any other countries us brits have to fix? well 9ne of those we enslaved for 800 years, another was a colony and the last time we argued we burnt down the Whitehouse, the third beat us at penalties.

Maybe we should "fix" all the countries we enslaved and committed genocide against.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
Would their have been womens lib, the welfare state etc in the UK. I suspect a far more Conservative world.

so basically, holocaust aside, the world benefitted by trolling germany into mass criminal insanity and murder as punishment for ww1. it's true isn't it

Originally posted by Scribble
Maybe we should "fix" all the countries we enslaved and committed genocide against. The past is steeped in shame, but tomorrow is fair game. Good Morning Britain.Originally posted by Bashar Teg
so basically, holocaust aside, the world benefitted by trolling germany into mass criminal insanity and murder as punishment for ww1. it's true isn't it Pretty much, I think a strong case can be made.

kinda like how we only seem to have these monumental medical breakthroughs under a pandemic. as a race, we are extremely lazy creatures. we find real motivation only under immediate threat of mass-death

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
kinda like how we only seem to have these monumental medical breakthroughs under a pandemic. as a race, we are extremely lazy creatures. we find real motivation only under immediate threat of mass-death ahh, profit is the problem. Our goals are rarely betterment unless mass survival is at stake.

Originally posted by Scribble
Maybe we should "fix" all the countries we enslaved and committed genocide against.

Everyone would be better without war.

Tell hitler that, oh wait, he died.

Originally posted by Blakemore
Tell hitler that, oh wait, he died.

Hitler is a hero because he killed Hitler.

Redemption

Originally posted by Blakemore
Redemption

If you take into account how they treated Jews then no, they would not be better just because they would not have gone to war against any other nations. They still disarmed their own jewish population and then either massscred them in death camps or sent them off to concentration camps where they worked them to death.

Starting wars with other nations wasn't the only horrible thing they did you know. Pretty sure that eventually someone would've started a war with them for their crimes against humanity.

In today's world, sadly, people would just turn a blind eye to it if it was happening (which it actually is in many countries while the world just stands idly by and does nothing about it). The problem is that today some of those countries have nuclear weapons and the ones that don't have allies that have them so it makes us more apprehensive about going to war with them.

Originally posted by SquallX

Originally posted by eThneoLgrRnae
If you take into account how they treated Jews then no, they would not be better just because they would not have gone to war against any other nations. They still disarmed their own jewish population and then either massscred them in death camps or sent them off to concentration camps where they worked them to death.

Starting wars with other nations wasn't the only horrible thing they did you know. Pretty sure that eventually someone would've started a war with them for their crimes against humanity.

In today's world, sadly, people would just turn a blind eye to it if it was happening (which it actually is in many countries while the world just stands idly by and does nothing about it). The problem is that today some of those countries have nuclear weapons and the ones that don't have allies that have them so it makes us more apprehensive about going to war with them. Saddam died over a decade ago.

Without the consequences of the war Germany and Japan simply wouldn't have spent the same time and resources on engineering and electronics so we'd likely just be getting the home computer and automatic cars right around now.