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Grundy at his absolute peak.

They fight in Cyclop's bedroom

Wolverine gets a new dog.

https://i.imgur.com/3yOsWjM.png

https://tinyurl.com/8pu7jr7x

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/4c/e1/b8/4ce1b89c3dd9c28a9ca6932053d0e6c2.jpg

Wolverine does what he does best, Ala Nefaria, Wendigo, Hulk, etc. etc. Snikt Muther fockers!

Spock would just punch Logan down to the ground again if he wanted. But he already made his point and remaking the same point would be illogical.


Jokes aside, if we go strictly from power levels, Grundy should wipe the floor with Logan. But from showings, Grundy has been beaten up and down, all over the place.

Originally posted by Robtard
Spock would just punch Logan down to the ground again if he wanted. But he already made his point and remaking the same point would be illogical.


Jokes aside, if we go strictly from power levels, Grundy should wipe the floor with Logan. But from showings, Grundy has been beaten up and down, all over the place. Wolverine like Cap and Batman doesn't do Power levels. His character shields are AAA+. Grundy's are not.

Wolverine is an anti-brick type of a superhero.

Short, quick, agile... indestructible skeletal structure, healing factor (which can be really overpowered at times, much like Grundy can sodomize Superman and wipe his ass with his face) and weapons that can one-shot anyone without a genuine invulnerability, high regen or other gimmicks such as phasing powers.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
Grundy's are not.

Grundy performs well against Superman, but we should always ask ourselves... if that's not Superman simply jobbing to him?

One could say, Superman's special power is making anyone look good, even Prankster or Shadow Dragon or any z-lister who happens to meet and fight him.

Wolverine slice him to threads.

Originally posted by carver9
Wolverine slice him to threads.

Makes no difference.

https://i.imgur.com/nbzsm0A.jpeg
https://i.imgur.com/UyzcmwG.jpeg

Against holy water bullet which blow his hand off - note how quickly it regenerates, despite him still being shot at:
https://i.imgur.com/jIwvHJe.jpeg
Having his entire head blown off (and his body) by a holy shotgun:
https://i.imgur.com/K583Pkw.jpeg
https://i.imgur.com/4erUONh.jpeg

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Makes no difference.

https://i.imgur.com/nbzsm0A.jpeg
https://i.imgur.com/UyzcmwG.jpeg

Against holy water bullet which blow his hand off - note how quickly it regenerates, despite him still being shot at:
https://i.imgur.com/jIwvHJe.jpeg
Having his entire head blown off (and his body) by a holy shotgun:
https://i.imgur.com/K583Pkw.jpeg
https://i.imgur.com/4erUONh.jpeg Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Makes no difference.

https://i.imgur.com/nbzsm0A.jpeg
https://i.imgur.com/UyzcmwG.jpeg

Against holy water bullet which blow his hand off - note how quickly it regenerates, despite him still being shot at:
https://i.imgur.com/jIwvHJe.jpeg
Having his entire head blown off (and his body) by a holy shotgun:
https://i.imgur.com/K583Pkw.jpeg
https://i.imgur.com/4erUONh.jpeg

forum rules says it does

Originally posted by 8swords
forum rules says it does

How so?

Quote the rule that you are using, please:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t461496.html

With those scans, all Wolverine need to do is cut his head off and the fight is over? Gotcha.

Originally posted by carver9
With those scans, all Wolverine need to do is cut his head off and the fight is over? Gotcha.

No, because he's perfectly capable of regrowing his entire head. Next page showed this. It wasn't even a KO.

Plus, I love how nobody notices how the arm - completely independent of the body- tore Amazo's head off.

He got his head shot off and isn't up after that unless I'm missing something.

Originally posted by carver9
He got his head shot off and isn't up after that unless I'm missing something.

Yes, the next panel which shows his head is still regenerating.....which I posted. Hell, it even shows him getting up without a head

Posted AGAIN:

https://i.imgur.com/4erUONh.jpeg

It's no different than when any brick punches Wolverine, and he flies off and hits a wall. His HF kicks in, and he gets back up. Same here. They're not even down for a 5 count.

And again, I once more emphasise - his arms were tearing Amazo's head off completely independently.

It's still a forum win though. He's obviously down long enough for the win to count.

Originally posted by carver9
It's still a forum win though. He's obviously down long enough for the win to count.

How so? Wolverine doesn't have a holy shotgun that can completely obliterate his head anyway, so a completely moot point

And again - Grundy is getting up WITHOUT his head. Cutting his head off =/= Completely obliterating his head in a single blast with a holy weapon.

Slicing his arms off would do nothing, as they are now capable of tearing Amazo's head off completely independently of Grundy's body.

With thanks to Stilt:

https://i.imgur.com/lPjWTdy.jpeg

Gorilla level strength is enough to hold Logan

Grundy could hold him down, the problem is getting to the point of being able to hold him down. Then you mentioned WWH but Hulk was getting sliced TF up during the process, even got stabbed in the eye. Grundy isn't smart enough to do any of that anyways, so it doesn't matter. He gets his head lopped off and then gets chopped in half. Wolverine have the time to do surgery based off your scans.

Originally posted by carver9
Grundy could hold him down, the problem is getting to the point of being able to hold him down. Then you mentioned WWH but Hulk was getting sliced TF up during the process, even got stabbed in the eye. Grundy isn't smart enough to do any of that anyways, so it doesn't matter. He gets his head lopped off and then gets chopped in half. Wolverine have the time to do surgery based off your scans.

Peak Grundy can

Which version of Grundy is him at his peak?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Gorilla level strength is enough to hold Logan

To be fair, Logan did get hit with some energy gun right before that.

And, if memory serves, Gorilla Man did tangle with Rock of the Buddha, who has Thing-level strength.

... still just as embarrassing as Flash's, Kalibak's, Damage's, Hulk's and Superman's adventures with apes, though...

Oh, JL TAS J'onn got raped by an ape in prison, too.

Originally posted by carver9
Which version of Grundy is him at his peak?

N52, Avatar of the Rot that needed to be BFRd to the Moon

Trap card, activated.

But I digress slightly. You think Wolverine can do more damage than Franky/the Bride/SHADE did with weapons designed specifically to destroy Grundy, please prove this.

It was a sneak attack, so it doesn't matter.

Frank Castle = skyfather tier, easily

https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/14/149344/4738703-punisher%20vs%20gorilla.jpg

Originally posted by carver9
It was a sneak attack, so it doesn't matter.

Actually, it does matter as AFTER Logan realises he's been attacked by Gorilla Man - he can't do anything about it

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
You think Wolverine can do more damage than Franky/the Bride/SHADE did with weapons designed specifically to destroy Grundy, please prove this.

Wolverine did overload a potent nanotech-based hf in combat without prep.

But, granted, it's not the same as Grundy's magical regen --- which is something that definitely does change with his different incarnations, I'll give ya that.

Yeah. That's the problem with magicky HFs - the writers can do whatever they want with it.

But my scan doesn't show ALL the damage Grundy underwent there. The soldiers were shooting him, he had been shot at with holy water bullets, then had Franky shoot him with a shotgun that was powerful enough to shoot through Neh-Buh-Loh....and Grundy still wasn't put down, even fighting Alan Scott after. It took the Sword of Michael to do it, and THAT also wiped out all plant life in the area (CLICK ON ALL LINKS):

https://i.imgur.com/1KfO6TP.jpeg
https://i.imgur.com/sgesQcE.jpeg
https://i.imgur.com/HASwryX.jpeg

Edit: AND it needed daylight to kill him lol.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
To be fair, Logan did get hit with some energy gun right before that.

And, if memory serves, Gorilla Man did tangle with Rock of the Buddha, who has Thing-level strength.

... still just as embarrassing as Flash's, Kalibak's, Damage's, Hulk's and Superman's adventures with apes, though...

Oh, JL TAS J'onn got raped by an ape in prison, too.
Apes are the strongest one there are!!!

Ook, Ook.

That showing with the arm acting on its own is pretty dope, what can Wolverine do to avoid several hyper strong arms clinging to him despite being cut off?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Apes are the strongest one there are!!!

Ook, Ook.

im glad you are so woke on our blm movement

Careful, Pr is online.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Apes are the strongest one there are!!!

Ook, Ook.



This comic made me orgasm 100 times the first day I read it:

https://i.ibb.co/0XsTZ1T/titano.png

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
How so? Wolverine doesn't have a holy shotgun that can completely obliterate his head anyway, so a completely moot point

And again - Grundy is getting up WITHOUT his head. Cutting his head off =/= Completely obliterating his head in a single blast with a holy weapon.

Slicing his arms off would do nothing, as they are now capable of tearing Amazo's head off completely independently of Grundy's body.

cut off grundy's head and punt if faaaarrr away is what I was thinking of and his hands and his legs and his D!$#. still a better tactic than grundy catching wolverine and doing to him what WWH did. all of this is based on my opinion that logan is smarter and faster than grundy, but I may be wrong.

cant really say that grundy can do what wwh did since WWh did have a strategy specifically for him.

Originally posted by Bentley
That showing with the arm acting on its own is pretty dope, what can Wolverine do to avoid several hyper strong arms clinging to him despite being cut off?

slice em off, dont get close/avoid and repeat, he was already holding amazo when his arm was cut off, in that sense if he cuts his arm of and it falls flat on the ground how would it grab on to logan?

TBH I just need/want to see a scan/feat from grundy tagging people on logans speed/reflex with ease then its a stomp for grundy.

Originally posted by 8swords
slice em off, dont get close/avoid and repeat, he was already holding amazo when his arm was cut off, in that sense if he cuts his arm of and it falls flat on the ground how would it grab on to logan?

TBH I just need/want to see a scan/feat from grundy tagging people on logans speed/reflex with ease then its a stomp for grundy.

Actually, he wasn't. Amazo was floating above him, keeping his (admittedly short) distance, using his lasers, and the arm shot up in the air and grabbed him.

First link I posted, just before the scan.

https://imgur.com/nbzsm0A.jpeg

The youth today, really...tsk tsk.

As to how he does it? Magic, lol. Answer to everything.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
With thanks to Stilt:

https://i.imgur.com/lPjWTdy.jpeg

Gorilla level strength is enough to hold Logan

Kinda gotta be able to grab him though. Grundy isn't all that graceful and probably wouldn't be able to pull that off based upon his own fighting skills. Gruny could win, and I was unaware of how good his HF was as well. But Logan could conceivably butcher him up into meat cubes as well.

Grundy arms grabs Logan with the attempt to rip his head off not knowing its connected with adamantium. After a fail attempt, seconds later, Wolverine slice the hand off that is holding him and lop his head off. He then gets to do whatever he wants to after that. I consider Wolverine a more tactical fighter than me and I'm even thinking of chopping the rest of his body into small pieces. Grundy wasn't functioning at all after getting his head blown off.

Surely only Grundy is at his peak, and Logan is at his average? He has low showings too, I am comfortable in saying this.

Now, ordinarily I would have both sides using their high end showings, but I want to see how Carver debates. Will you use Logan's lows, like you did with Kalibak and Titus?

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW

Grundy performs well against Superman, but we should always ask ourselves... if that's not Superman simply jobbing to him?


It's not Supes Jobbing, an often ignored power of Grundy is his ability to absorb energy. His body is particularly partial to magic energy but it also absorbs all types of radiation (including solar energy, which Superman is a walking battery of).

Pre 52 Grundy doesn't have as many "versions" as people think. When he fights against street levellers or ordinary bricks who aren't also loaded with energy he can drain (or flinging that energy around) he simply isn't as powerful as when he is near high energy sources. As Logan doesn't present him the energy source that Superman or Alan Scot or Dr Fate would, he shouldn't be on that level

Wasn't aware of that. For all intents and purposes consider he's getting boosted as if Wolverine was Superman, Alan or Doctor Fate

I also assumed n52 Grundy was in the thread, or is that overkill?

Originally posted by Bentley
Wasn't aware of that. For all intents and purposes consider he's getting boosted as if Wolverine was Superman, Alan or Doctor Fate

Yeah a lot of people aren't.
In his first appearance in the GA in All American (60 or 61/2) he was originally only anlow level brick for most of it. Alan fired a green lantern construct at him which he touched and it dissolved and he got stronger.

Next appearance the energy bubble Alan made wasn't going to hold until it got reinforced by Fate. In a silver age story he regenerinba swamp that someone was dumping nuclear waste and fought both Alan and then Fate (absorbing some of one of Fate's spells) he got so amped he gained TK power and was throwing everything including the kitchen sink at Alan without even touching it.
https://ibb.co/hX0ZKFD

When he fought the likes of Nuklon (before he was called Atom Smasher) and Fury in Infinty Inc he struggles to outmatched Nuklon (who without using his power to alter his mass or his density to add to his striking power is only about a 70 tonner). Yet when he later fought PG he's a match for her. There was a JSA story where he got struck by a lightning bolt and was stated on panel to be the most powerful he'd ever been because of it. There are a dozen or so other examples. The problem is some writers don't show it as the case