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First episode was a great throwback to first avenger,,I liked it

They all gonna be completely different right ? In which case I might as well just watch. No need to wait and binge this one.

Meh, they are playing it too safe for my taste.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
They all gonna be completely different right ? In which case I might as well just watch. No need to wait and binge this one.


I believe so

Not sure if it's because it's animated or because Peggy wasn't sickly, like Steve was, when she took the serum, but she seemed a lot more powerful than any of the other super soldiers we've had so far. She was casually making like 100-foot leaps, stopping speeding trucks dead in their tracks (which would have an insane impact force well beyond the actual mass of the truck) and even forced that big-ass tentacle monster back through the portal at the end of the episode. She's also the only one other than Steve to gain a bunch of height and muscle during the process.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Not sure if it's because it's animated or because Peggy wasn't sickly, like Steve was, when she took the serum, but she seemed a lot more powerful than any of the other super soldiers we've had so far. She was casually making like 100-foot leaps, stopping speeding trucks dead in their tracks (which would have an insane impact force well beyond the actual mass of the truck) and even forced that big-ass tentacle monster back through the portal at the end of the episode. She's also the only one other than Steve to gain a bunch of height and muscle during the process.
Well I think its also because its animated it needs less budget to show super stuff
And making a female heroine look weaker in any compariaon would piss off SjWs


Also, a dead porn meme is now really getting mileage from this

You promised me more than a dance🤣🤣

Originally posted by HulkIsHulk
Well I think its also because its animated it needs less budget to show super stuff
And making a female heroine look weaker in any compariaon would piss off SjWs


Also, a dead porn meme is now really getting mileage from this

You promised me more than a dance🤣🤣

The thing is some of the feats directly contradict what we've seen from super soldiers in the films and shows in terms of their limits, and by some margin too.

The only canonical explanation that makes sense to me is that, as I mentioned, Peggy was already an athletic woman in her prime whereas Steve was... Steve. So, she ended up more uber than the other super soldiers. Similar to how US Agent seemed physically superior to the other super soldiers that took the same serum he did after having basically been a virtual peak human to begin with. Because, as also previously mentioned, she's the only one other than Steve to also undergo a significant physical transformation. And she's also the only other one to go through the whole special chamber/vita ray process.

But I think Winter Soldier is also supposed to rock up in a What If at some point, so we'll get a better idea then. If he also outperforms his live-action feats then we can chalk it up to the animation. If his feats are in line with his previous showings, then we know Peggy is just OP.

I didn't really get any major SJW vibes from the episode though. There were some sexist comments directed at Peggy, but those kinds of comments are actually pretty accurate for the era it's set in.

Also, I think there will be at least some loose connection between some of the episodes, based on a few things in the trailer, like a version of Dr Strange meeting Captain Carter, which doesn't happen in the first episode.

Female Character = mention SJW. Is it needed?

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Also, I think there will be at least some loose connection between some of the episodes, based on a few things in the trailer,


Ah thanks for the heads up. Prefer to wait and binge in that case.

Originally posted by Adam Grimes
Meh, they are playing it too safe for my taste.

Agreed. They should really let it fly with a blank slate like this.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Also, I think there will be at least some loose connection between some of the episodes, based on a few things in the trailer, like a version of Dr Strange meeting Captain Carter, which doesn't happen in the first episode.
Another explanation is that the alt univ serum is better. For example in the comics proper there sre various serums, some boost you upto spider man level strength

Originally posted by HulkIsHulk
Another explanation is that the alt univ serum is better. For example in the comics proper there sre various serums, some boost you upto spider man level strength

That directly contradicts what is stated in the show though. The Watcher who narrates says that the only difference between that timeline and the main one is a choice Peggy made to stay in the room, which resulted in how events unfolded in that room changing. Everything else is the same.

So, either it's a massive inconsistency or it's down to some element of Peggy going through the process rather than Steve. One thing that kind of lends it to being Peggy, at least so far, is at the end of the episode. There's a giant, inter-dimensional tentacle monster that comes through a portal and casually crushes Red Skull, killing him despite him also being enhanced, yet Peggy can withstand being smacked, squeezed and slammed by it repeatedly without taking any kind of visible damage.

But, as I said, it should become more clear once we get other super soldiers making an appearance so that we can compare.

A skinny guy hooking up with a masculine woman. Something maybe 5 people in the audiience want to see.

Thors episode should generate lots of debate.

I found the first episode pretty entertaining.

And yeah Captain Carter was proper OP. Which I also digged tbh.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
I found the first episode pretty entertaining.

And yeah Captain Carter was proper OP. Which I also digged tbh.

Yeah, I honestly don't mind her being so powerful either. I did see a few insecure guys crying about it on a few sites, but those people always find something to complain about anyways.

I'm still not sure whether it's meant to be that way or just more inconsistency from the Disney Plus stuff though. Because power level consistency has been an issue so far in some of these shows. But it should become clearer once we see more.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Yeah, I honestly don't mind her being so powerful either. I did see a few insecure guys crying about it on a few sites, but those people always find something to complain about anyways.

I'm still not sure whether it's meant to be that way or just more inconsistency from the Disney Plus stuff though. Because power level consistency has been an issue so far in some of these shows. But it should become clearer once we see more.



Well it made sense to me. Because even without the serum she can take out multiple agents (if youve seen the Agent Carter show).

But its also a good point that this is animated, so will see how consistent with the movies all the other superheroes are.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Well it made sense to me. Because even without the serum she can take out multiple agents (if youve seen the Agent Carter show).

But its also a good point that this is animated, so will see how consistent with the movies all the other superheroes are.

Well, that's my interpretation so far. Steve/Peggy's super soldier process was both unique in the implementation and the outcome (the added size and muscle), so if it turns a sickly guy like Steve into Cap, an athletic women in her prime basically becomes Wonder Woman lite.

But yeah, based on the trailer, we're getting Killmonger and apparently Winter Soldier (it will be interesting to see how that came about), so we'll have stuff to compare to their film counterparts.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
so if it turns a sickly guy like Steve into Cap, an athletic women in her prime basically becomes Wonder Woman lite.




Yeah especially an athletic woman who was already pretty hardcore.

Will wait and see how consistent they stay with the animation. Although you made a great point how that same monster she fought back crushed Red Skull pretty easily.

Not sure I buy that. The difference between skinny Steve and athletic Carter should be far less than the difference between SS Steve and SS Carter.


We're talking a difference of maybe a few hundred lbs vs several dozen TONS of lifting power.

^ Well how many small Steve's could Agent Carter take in a fight?

Originally posted by cdtm
Not sure I buy that. The difference between skinny Steve and athletic Carter should be far less than the difference between SS Steve and SS Carter.


We're talking a difference of maybe a few hundred lbs vs several dozen TONS of lifting power.

Depends on whether the enhancement is proportional relative to their base stats. I don't think a lot of people realise just how sickly Steve was before getting the SSS.

https://64.media.tumblr.com/f15ab4e4892b971f378090f16668466e/tumblr_inline_nyfrh5qfls1t5xhl1_540.jpg

That's from CA:TFA.

Lol its surprising he could operate Howard Starks IM armour.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Depends on whether the enhancement is proportional relative to their base stats. I don't think a lot of people realise just how sickly Steve was before getting the SSS.

https://64.media.tumblr.com/f15ab4e4892b971f378090f16668466e/tumblr_inline_nyfrh5qfls1t5xhl1_540.jpg

That's from CA:TFA.


Wow, if he's that bad he should drop dead just trying to operate that power armor.

Originally posted by cdtm
Wow, if he's that bad he should drop dead just trying to operate that power armor.

I'm convinced pre-serum Steve ran on pure willpower.

After checking out episode two I'm inclined to think power levels are just wack on this show relative to the live-action stuff.A herbless T'Challa, who is Star-Lord in this, can tank super strong hits from Korath and the Collector and keep up with them in H2H, and Thanos got KO'd by Proxima using her staff's energy attack and was later getting beat up by Cull and Proxima 2-on-1 (though he was beating them when he was fighting each solo).

It is interesting though what big of a difference having T'Challa instead of Quill becoming Star-Lord made. The Ravagers became galaxy-wide heroes and even managed to turn Thanos into a relative good guy. But on the flip side, as shown at the end, it means there was no one to stop Ego coming for Peter in order to fulfill his plan from GotG2 of taking over the universe. So, we will have to see whether they address how that plays out at some point.

Originally posted by cdtm
Wow, if he's that bad he should drop dead just trying to operate that power armor.

Your condition is worse and you still live...

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
Female Character = mention SJW. Is it needed?


It is not.

I really enjoyed the episode, it was well done start to finish. Also cartoon Carter is as sexy as real life Carter

2d episode was all ight. felt it could bee better

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
2d episode was all ight. felt it could bee better

My main gripe with it was the whole Thanos just needed to have a talk with T'Challa to become a good guy thing. I feel it detracts from the films, where there was so much build up, so much time and effort spent and sacrifices made to beat him... And it turns out he just needed to have a heart to heart with T'Challa to completely reform. I mean T'Challa is awesome, but it just kind of invalidates everything the heroes went through in the films.

Loki did kind of similar with the Infinity Stones. All the power in the films, all the effort to acquire them... And they're used as friggin' paperweights by some office staff at the TVA.

Well, Tchalla is way more effective than Quill lol.

^ To say the absolute least, lol.


Wasn't a huge fan of the Cap Carter episode... Not because of the faux-SJW paranoia that some are feeding into, but because I really never cared for the first Cap movie, and the episode was basically just a rehash of that. Cap Carter herself is fun enough, though.

Enjoyed the T'Challa/Starlord episode quite a bit. T'Challa affecting true galactic/universal change, because he's just a really good person and hero... Also very cool to hear Chadwick doing the VA work here. The What If..? episodes he voices this season are, unfortunately, his last work in the MCU.

What I'm really looking forward to is the Doctor Strange episode(think it's the 4th ep. of the season.) It's supposed to be a doozy.

Yeah, for me the first Cap movie is pretty boring. I liked Iron Steve though.

My wife just turned to me and askedif the Watcher was such a pretentious phuck in comics as well....

Originally posted by Robtard
It is not.

I really enjoyed the episode, it was well done start to finish. Also cartoon Carter is as sexy as real life Carter


So you're that type. Doesn't like dicks, but likes his women built like brick outhouses. 😆

Originally posted by Galan007
^ To say the absolute least, lol.


Wasn't a huge fan of the Cap Carter episode... Not because of the faux-SJW paranoia that some are feeding into, but because I really never cared for the first Cap movie, and the episode was basically just a rehash of that. Cap Carter herself is fun enough, though.

Enjoyed the T'Challa/Starlord episode quite a bit. T'Challa affecting true galactic/universal change, because he's just a really good person and hero... Also very cool to hear Chadwick doing the VA work here. The What If..? episodes he voices this season are, unfortunately, his last work in the MCU.

What I'm really looking forward to is the Doctor Strange episode(think it's the 4th ep. of the season.) It's supposed to be a doozy. yeah but quill can pick up infinity stones, survive the cold of space etc and ****s nearly as many strange coloured chick's as Captain Kirk

Originally posted by Galan007
^ To say the absolute least, lol.


Wasn't a huge fan of the Cap Carter episode... Not because of the faux-SJW paranoia that some are feeding into, but because I really never cared for the first Cap movie, and the episode was basically just a rehash of that. Cap Carter herself is fun enough, though.

Enjoyed the T'Challa/Starlord episode quite a bit. T'Challa affecting true galactic/universal change, because he's just a really good person and hero... Also very cool to hear Chadwick doing the VA work here. The What If..? episodes he voices this season are, unfortunately, his last work in the MCU.

What I'm really looking forward to is the Doctor Strange episode(think it's the 4th ep. of the season.) It's supposed to be a doozy. yeah but quill can pick up infinity stones, survive the cold of space etc and ****s nearly as many strange coloured chick's as Captain Kirk

Originally posted by Robtard
It is not.

I really enjoyed the episode, it was well done start to finish. Also cartoon Carter is as sexy as real life Carter https://i.imgur.com/Nbw1noZ.jpg What are you afraid of CDTMOriginally posted by cdtm
So you're that type. Doesn't like dicks, but likes his women built like brick outhouses. 😆

By that picture, having my bones shattered and organs ruptured.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
My main gripe with it was the whole Thanos just needed to have a talk with T'Challa to become a good guy thing. I feel it detracts from the films, where there was so much build up, so much time and effort spent and sacrifices made to beat him... And it turns out he just needed to have a heart to heart with T'Challa to completely reform. I mean T'Challa is awesome, but it just kind of invalidates everything the heroes went through in the films.




Yeah I felt like they were poking fun at Thanos big plot in the films. Also he wasnt that OP. Although he did leap to the ship. In any case, he fought without his sword or any power stones in this, so that clearly makes a difference

Originally posted by Galan007
because he's just a really good person and hero...


But is he? I know thats how hes portrayed here. But lets not forget Civil War he was going to kill Bucky first and ask questions later.

He had to go through his own Heroes Journey in that to change for the better.

This is an entirely different T'Challa, though.

Of course. Just if they are trying to say hes innately pure goodness as a person, then maybe they shouldnt forget that.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Yeah I felt like they were poking fun at Thanos big plot in the films. Also he wasnt that OP. Although he did leap to the ship. In any case, he fought without his sword or any power stones in this, so that clearly makes a difference

I'm not the only one though. I've seen a lot of people on different sites comment on how nerfed he seemed. In Endgame, Thor, IM and Captain America struggled to even land hits, despite fighting him 3-on-1. And in IW, when he didn't have his armor or sword, he was tanking attacks like getting smashed by buildings, rammed by space ships, sword slashes from Drax, Nebula, explosions and blasts etc. without real issue. Now, he's so weak that Proxima can KO him with an AOE attack that he isn't even the sole focus of.

And that's my point. Thanos was the Big Bad for the first few MCU phases and now he's been reduced to a borderline comic-relief sidekick and the plan that resulted in the death of Iron Man, Black Widow, numerous Asgardians etc. is treated like a joke.

Though I think they wanted to get the Thanos threat out of the picture because, depending on if they continue that story thread, they want to focus on Ego. Because let's be real. There was so much plot and ridiculous odds in the Guardians being able to beat him that he should be a far bigger threat than he came across as. I mean they just so happened to have another cosmic opponent who can keep him busy (Cosmic Star-Lord), someone to tell them exactly what his weakness was, where it was and to temporarily KO him (Mantis), the means to kill him (the uber explosives Rocket stole from their previous mission), and the right sized character to deliver the payload (Baby Groot). If they'd missed even one of those elements they probably would have failed and died.

Oh he was certainly nerfed in this. I was shocked myself that 2 of his henchmen (from the main MCU) could beat him. Certainly didnt get that impression in the films sword or not. I mean he did stomp Hulk without his sword

But I suppose in this alternate reality he just may not be up to scratch combat wise. Although that seems strange given his physical shape and how long hes been a combatant.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Of course. Just if they are trying to say hes innately pure goodness as a person, then maybe they shouldnt forget that. I kind of see what you're saying, but as is the case with the comics, you can't compare alternate "What If..?" characters to their mainstream incarnations. They are, in essence, entirely different beings.

In the mainstream MCU, an adult T'Challa saw his father die right before his eyes and believed Bucky was the culprit, so he began seeking revenge... But by the end of the film, T'Challa realized the error of his ways, dropped his lust for revenge, and moved forward.

In this world/universe, however, that never happened. T'Challa was taken from earth as a child and apparently had a very good upbringing, wherein he devoted his life to the betterment of the galaxy/universe... And evidently did a damn good job.

Completely different character histories here.

Pretty harsh against Quill there.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
But is he? I know thats how hes portrayed here. But lets not forget Civil War he was going to kill Bucky first and ask questions later.

He had to go through his own Heroes Journey in that to change for the better.


Oh yeah, he was a total Mary Sue.

They laid it on so thick how much of a perfect hero he is compared to Peter Quill, I think they were trolling to some extent.


Btw, anyone else catch the Robin Hood joke. "Robin leech."


As in, the poor leeching off the rich? No way that word was random.

Originally posted by cdtm
Oh yeah, he was a total Mary Sue.

They laid it on so thick how much of a perfect hero he is compared to Peter Quill, I think they were trolling to some extent.




They had to be trolling to an extent especially with Thanos change of mind.

Originally posted by cdtm
Oh yeah, he was a total Mary Sue.

They laid it on so thick how much of a perfect hero he is compared to Peter Quill, I think they were trolling to some extent.


Btw, anyone else catch the Robin Hood joke. "Robin leech."


As in, the poor leeching off the rich? No way that word was random.

Or Robin Leach.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lifestyles_of_the_Rich_and_Famous

TBF, if T'Challa were that inherently good, he'd had abdicated his throne and turned Wakanda into a democracy by the people; for the people. Kings are dictators.

Originally posted by Robtard
TBF, if T'Challa were that inherently good, he'd had abdicated his throne and turned Wakanda into a democracy by the people; for the people. Kings are dictators.

The thought had occured to me.

But he's so ridiculously good in this story, what's one relatively benign character flaw?

Originally posted by cdtm
The thought had occured to me.

But he's so ridiculously good in this story, what's one relatively benign character flaw?

Two.

Dont forget out to murder Bucky for his Dads death without even knowing for sure, and refusing to hear Bucky out.


Unless Robtards referring to the alternate reality only.

tonight's ep was a little weak but liked hearing sam jackson and tom hiddleston

Watching Loki beat up Hank Pym was weirdly satisfying.

Another SJW ep?

Are most of the episodes going to soley be "What if this character was actually this superhero?" Cause that's going to be really boring.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Watching Loki beat up Hank Pym was weirdly satisfying.


Oh yeah. He was OP ! But In a really satisfying way.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Oh yeah. He was OP ! But In a really satisfying way.

I don't know if he was really OP or if we just have lower expectations of him after his treatment in some of his more recent live action appearances. Because even before his solo show took a dump on him, Loki was useless in Infinity War as well and got killed like fodder. Even Cap and Spider-Man took more punishment and survived. Hell, Thanos even chokes Peter at one point during the Titan battle and doesn't cause a lasting injury, never mind breaking his neck like he did with Loki. The writers have just treated him really badly in recent times, so it's nice to see him at his best again. After all, this was someone who was a big bad himself at one point and the reason the Avengers were brought together.

^ I mean absolutely stomping Ant-Man like that is pretty OP I think. That's the kind of strength we knew he had in the earlier films.

His illusions were also more like Mysterio actually causing serious issues to his opponent in a fight.

Probably the casket aided him in being even more OP though.

Originally posted by robotflug
Are most of the episodes going to soley be "What if this character was actually this superhero?" Cause that's going to be really boring. Last episode wasn't even that. What are you talking about?

Originally posted by Robtard
TBF, if T'Challa were that inherently good, he'd had abdicated his throne and turned Wakanda into a democracy by the people; for the people. Kings are dictators. He's so good that people are obviously better off being his sla... Servants.

Trailer for episode 4 looks pretty interesting:

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Originally posted by Darth Thor
^ I mean absolutely stomping Ant-Man like that is pretty OP I think. That's the kind of strength we knew he had in the earlier films.

His illusions were also more like Mysterio actually causing serious issues to his opponent in a fight.

Probably the casket aided him in being even more OP though.


Ant-Manhimself was pretty OP. Why did he have the means to kill Hulk, when Doctor Banner is the gamma expert and struggled to do anything against it?

Originally posted by cdtm
Ant-Manhimself was pretty OP.


Except he didn't seem to have the Giant Man ability. But probably his older body couldn't have handled it.



Originally posted by cdtm Why did he have the means to kill Hulk, when Doctor Banner is the gamma expert and struggled to do anything against it?


I'm guessing he made something grow inside the Hulk. So the Hulk kind of exploded himself. And Hank got inside Hulk whilst he was still Bruce.

tonight's episode was really sad, yet so good..


good seeing dr. strange again

I'm not loving this series so far. I understand that they are basing all of it off of the MCU, but I was hoping they would venture out some.

Well the last one was certainly, ah, interesting.



So after a diverse cast of heroes in the past three episodes, when we finally get a white protagonist he ends up so obsessed with his ambitions he ends up stealing powers from higher powers like a colonial expanding by absorbing other cultures, and gets so power mad he destroys the universe.

I dug it. This could have been an episode of the Twilight Zone or classic Trek.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
I dug it. This could have been an episode of the Twilight Zone or classic Trek.


The ending didn't make much sense though,



Yes, he was warned, but how does that result in the universe shrinking into a pin. Instead he should have simply never become Strange and enter Age of Dormammu, or at worse the entire universe vanishes, not condenses into a weird cave.


And why couldn't Strange just universe jump out? He's crossed universes under his own power before.

I just viewed the story as a grieving man who, out of desperation to save the love of his life, ended up going down the wrong path. The whole way to hell is paved with good intentions thing. And, of course, one version chose not to go down that road, but he just wasn't powerful enough to stop his counterpart.

And Dark Strange appears in trailers for upcoming What If episodes, so it looks like he survived.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
And Dark Strange appears in trailers for upcoming What If episodes, so it looks like he survived.


Oh cool.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Oh cool.

Yeah, looks like a bunch of the What If characters will somehow meet up over the next episodes and even team up... at least going by the promos.

MxxE4ifPrFM

One thing I find interesting is at 0:39 where it looks like Black Panther, which I'm assuming is Killmonger in What If, as he's also shown in an episode that's supposed to feature Tony Stark IIRC. And, obviously, T'Challa is Star-Lord.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Yeah, looks like a bunch of the What If characters will somehow meet up over the next episodes and even team up... at least going by the promos.

MxxE4ifPrFM

One thing I find interesting is at 0:39 where it looks like Black Panther, which I'm assuming is Killmonger in What If, as he's also shown in an episode that's supposed to feature Tony Stark IIRC. And, obviously, T'Challa is Star-Lord.

Super multiverse saving black guy vs ultra evil multiverse ending white guy!

Hulk fans could go into convulsions after the next episode.

Originally posted by playa1258
Hulk fans could go into convulsions after the next episode.

Why, did another alt-T'challa become jesus-Hulk and fix a universe instead of smash?

tonight's ep as petty good and sad at the same time

Originally posted by playa1258
Hulk fans could go into convulsions after the next episode.


The episode was actually decent to him.


Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
tonight's ep as petty good and sad at the same time


Yeah as much as im loving the old sci-fi/twilight zone vibe, they dont have to have a sad/depressing ending every single time!

Finally, a good episode. Loved it.

Great episode.

Agreed, but...


They are never going to not have a Wakanda spear woman, are they.

The problems with this Disney+ What if series.

1.It is based entirely on the MCU and it feels so limited in ideas compared to the Earth 616 What if Comics.
2.The CGI looks like it came from a Marvel PS3 game.
3.This can easily get repetitive with the idea of "This superhero replaces that character stories" or "This villain becomes a new hero".

I'm not really impressed with this animated series.

Hulk with a good showing for once.

Another one where the villain wins

Its definitely not a - oh what if this person became a superhero instead - show.

really didn't like the episode

Ridiculous episode. The fight between Thor and Captain Marvel looked like they poached it straight from Death Battle! or some shit.

IG-Ultron was an out of the blue reveal, though. One thing they haven't really clarified in the MCU is whether or not the Infinity Stones still function outside of their native reality. I suppose it was sorta/kinda addressed in the Loki series(what with the troves of 'inert' stones just sitting in the TVA's desk drawers and whatnot), but more explicit confirmation one way or the other would be nice.

Was a mixed bag for me, I did like the fight between CM and Thor, but a lot of the rest was cringe.

To me it looked like Vision inside an Ultron looking battle-suit, then again, the Vison body was supposed to be Ultron's final form in the MCU, so yeah, you're likely correct and it's Ultron.

Yeah, I think it's his fully realized form(ie. Vision) wearing an Ultron battlesuit(not unlike Tony.) Seems like he has acquired his universe's Infinity Stones, and amassed an legion of Ultron-bots to do his bidding... Likely in an attempt to overtake the multiverse.

I thought it was really fun. And hell yeah I loved Thor and CM punching each other across the planet

As for the ending, I think most these Universes are stuck with explaining what would happen with the IG. This one just took a twist. One that kind of makes sense as a possibility.

Ultra Vision is...eh...Wickedly OP.

Also answers whether or not the MCU Infinity Stones function outside of their native universe.

She seemed to be getting the better of Ultra Vision at first, but then he casually owned her(along with the entire solar system.)

Uatu, however, preformed insanely well against him.

Yeah, Carol, while making a decent initial go of it, was ultimately nowhere near Ultron's level. The dude ate a friggin' galaxy while fighting the Watcher.

Lol at Thanos getting fodderised though. The guy is pretty much What If's punching bag.

This episode is basically a wet dream for MCU fans.

Well that was insane. Wish Id known this season is only 9 episodes. Should have binged the last 3!

Vultron is Jesus Christ

tonighs episode was real good

liked the wacher gettingf'ed up

Did like this ep.

-Voltron was even more retarded than Thanos in his approach to achieve his goal

-Thanos getting punked again was funny

Finale was way too short for everything they tried cramming in, and therefore felt extremely rushed. The 'rules' of the Infinity Stones are broken to the point of being wholly nonsensical. That said, the episode was fun for what it was.

Dark Strange is just as haxx as Ultra Vision, though... Like when he reversed Vision's galaxy-buster, and simply... Ate the energy to seemingly amp himself? Jfc.

season finale was really good, coulda been longer tough.. can't wait for another season i hope

Kevin Feige said back in 2019 that the What if...? series would have at least two seasons and the first season was well received. So expect season 2 next summer.

Got to love Strange sealing a Nazi and black supremacist in a pocket dimension for all time. Haha.

Originally posted by Robtard
Kevin Feige said back in 2019 that the What if...? series would have at least two seasons and the first season was well received. So expect season 2 next summer.



thanks rob

Originally posted by Galan007
Dark Strange is just as haxx as Ultra Vision, though... Like when he reversed Vision's galaxy-buster, and simply... Ate the energy to seemingly amp himself? Jfc.

Yeah, Dark Strange was OP as fuk. Not only was he the MVP of the heroes (which even Ultron himself recognises), that bit where he literally ate Ultron's attack was just insane. Hell, an alternate version of Captain Marvel died from something similar and he swallowed it like a gummy worm.

But I guess that's what happens when you spend centuries chowing down on powerful mystical beings.

On a random note, it's kind of a pity we never got to see the Gamora/Iron Man episode, which was apparently supposed to be a thing but got cut due to production delays caused by Covid. Also, the lengths of the episodes were apparently originally going to be longer than what we got.

Yeah, I read that. Hard to accept the COVID excuse here, given that it's an animated series... I feel like they're just intentionally stalling that particular episode until next season(for whatever reason.)

I feel like an extended runtime(at least for the finale) would've helped things tremendously. As mentioned, it just felt so rushed.

So Dark Strange is actually named Strange Supreme going by the end credits.

Also I thought his OP move was when he multiplied Mjolnir.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
So Dark Strange is actually named Strange Supreme going by the end credits.

Also I thought his OP move was when he multiplied Mjolnir.

Yeah, he's labelled as Strange Supreme when he's being identified as the speaker by the subtitles as well. Though I think I'm going to call him Darkter Strange. Just kidding. Maybe.

And yeah, he's crazy OP. Not only is he extremely powerful in his own right, he also still has his Time Stone and seemed immune to Ultron's use of his Time Stone before even employing his own.

What I found cool about him though was that he could be formidable in a direct fight on his own and be a great support for others, significantly amping both their defense and attack power in combat.

without dark strange, the other heroes would have been wiped out almost instantly. he completely held them on his shoulders.

if ultron had targeted strange sooner, he would have won.

and is uatu meant to be fully omniscient in the mcu? definitely seems to be the implication.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Yeah, he's labelled as Strange Supreme when he's being identified as the speaker by the subtitles as well. Though I think I'm going to call him Darkter Strange. Just kidding. Maybe.

And yeah, he's crazy OP. Not only is he extremely powerful in his own right, he also still has his Time Stone and seemed immune to Ultron's use of his Time Stone before even employing his own.

What I found cool about him though was that he could be formidable in a direct fight on his own and be a great support for others, significantly amping both their defense and attack power in combat.


Yeah so he had the invincibility spell, which his alternate found to battle him. But then he merged with him so I guess he has it.

That merger is probably what also makes him redeemable. I mean Killmonger literally offered him a way to get Christine back yet he walked away from that.

Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX
and is uatu meant to be fully omniscient in the mcu? definitely seems to be the implication. I wouldn't say Uatu is fully omniscient, as Ultron's shenanigans *seemed* to have caught him by surprise initially.

That said, he certainly seems to be as close to omniscient as you can get:
"I have seen everything that has ever happened. Ever will happen. Ever could happen."

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Yeah so he had the invincibility spell, which his alternate found to battle him. But then he merged with him so I guess he has it.

That merger is probably what also makes him redeemable. I mean Killmonger literally offered him a way to get Christine back yet he walked away from that.

I'm not sure if he evolved the spell or was combining it with other things, because it did more than protection in the fight with Ultron. There are multiple instances where their weapons were enchanted and had a greater impact against Ultron than they did without the spells. At one point he even gave T'Challa eldritch panther claws.

I don't think that version of Strange is necessarily evil so much as he was misguided. I mean he did show clear remorse at the end of episode four when he realised what he had caused.

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
I'm not sure if he evolved the spell or was combining it with other things, because it did more than protection in the fight with Ultron. There are multiple instances where their weapons were enchanted and had a greater impact against Ultron than they did without the spells. At one point he even gave T'Challa eldritch panther claws.


Yeah it was definitely an evolved version. But then that Strange was so powerful he could probably just make much better use of it.


Originally posted by TheVaultDweller

I don't think that version of Strange is necessarily evil so much as he was misguided. I mean he did show clear remorse at the end of episode four when he realised what he had caused.


Well remember that was after he merged with his alternate. That said, he lost Christine anyway, so of course he would have remorse.

But the current version clearly is redeeming himself.

On a random note, seems like it's not just Peggy. What If Super Soldiers are extremely OP, going by what little we saw of an alternate version of Captain America during the finale where he was treating Asgardian soldiers like fodder:

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/715349977253019659/896535663086796820/Cap_thing_that_Joker_wanted.webm

do you think dark strange is actually stuck inside of his pocket reality and can't escape under his own power, or does he choose to stay there as penance for inadvertently destroying his universe?

Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX
do you think dark strange is actually stuck inside of his pocket reality and can't escape under his own power, or does he choose to stay there as penance for inadvertently destroying his universe?


Probably the latter. He's so OP that I'm sure he could escape if he devoted his efforts to doing so.

Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX
do you think dark strange is actually stuck inside of his pocket reality and can't escape under his own power, or does he choose to stay there as penance for inadvertently destroying his universe?

He probably could leave, but he's watching over Killmonger and Zola/Ultron so he probably won't. As Uatu put it, "Someone needs to watch them."

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
He probably could leave, but he's watching over Killmonger and Zola/Ultron so he probably won't. As Uatu put it, "Someone needs to watch them."


I think he meant the first time he was stuck in his own collapsed universe.


Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
On a random note, seems like it's not just Peggy. What If Super Soldiers are extremely OP, going by what little we saw of an alternate version of Captain America during the finale where he was treating Asgardian soldiers like fodder:

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/715349977253019659/896535663086796820/Cap_thing_that_Joker_wanted.webm



Could be more of a power scaling issue.

I'd have to see Cap leap the way Captain Carter does, or see her raw strength on gigantic creatures or inanimate objects before I'm convinced he's her equal.

But it is only logical for her to be > him. Given that was the exact same serum used on her that was meant for him. Yet she started off much stronger.

Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX
do you think dark strange is actually stuck inside of his pocket reality and can't escape under his own power, or does he choose to stay there as penance for inadvertently destroying his universe? In the finale, Dark Strange was transporting characters to(and from) other universes. So he definitely chooses to keep himself locked inside the pocket reality.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Could be more of a power scaling issue.

I'd have to see Cap leap the way Captain Carter does, or see her raw strength on gigantic creatures or inanimate objects before I'm convinced he's her equal.

But it is only logical for her to be > him. Given that was the exact same serum used on her that was meant for him. Yet she started off much stronger.

I'm not saying he's necessarily her equal. But he does seem more powerful than his mainstream counterpart. I doubt regular MCU Cap could casually beat up Asgardians like that. That being said, all we know about that version of Steve is what we see in that brief sequence (it seems to be the universe where Pym murdered most of the Avengers), so we don't actually know what that version was like pre-serum.

^ Ah good point. Plus they may have had to give him further enhancements given what they were up against and with the limited number of Avengers they had left.

Looks interesting:

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^ Honestly first season was my favourite Disney plus Marvel series. So yeah looking forward to the new season.

Also looks like they're releasing 1 episode per day.. Not week

Season 1 was great. Should have put more money into this and made it 18-20 shorts.

I recently finished season 2. My feelings about the show haven't changed; just like season 1, it's a mixed bag. Some episodes are winners, but humour is used maybe too often as a source for plots. I know they are just trying to replicate the tone of the MCU, but it gets into illogical plot points for some episodes.

It's also irritating how some characters are consistently treated. Thor is a constant dumbass, Thanos comes onto screen only to get nerfed in a way that is supposed to make us laugh but totally wouldn't happen in the live action MCU. And Tony Stark, Black Widow and Captain Carter are given high amounts of plot armour so they can overachieve in their appearances. Peggy Carter really became the central character of season 2, and seemed to have a powerset that approached the Hulk - way beyond anything Steve Rogers did as Captain America. It almost made me want to watch the live action Peggy Carter from Doctor Strange 2, who get cuts in half by Wanda Maximoff (something which is totally plausible, but would never be seen in What If...?)

Originally posted by roughrider
I recently finished season 2. My feelings about the show haven't changed; just like season 1, it's a mixed bag. Some episodes are winners, but humour is used maybe too often as a source for plots. I know they are just trying to replicate the tone of the MCU, but it gets into illogical plot points for some episodes.

It's also irritating how some characters are consistently treated. Thor is a constant dumbass, Thanos comes onto screen only to get nerfed in a way that is supposed to make us laugh but totally wouldn't happen in the live action MCU. And Tony Stark, Black Widow and Captain Carter are given high amounts of plot armour so they can overachieve in their appearances. Peggy Carter really became the central character of season 2, and seemed to have a powerset that approached the Hulk - way beyond anything Steve Rogers did as Captain America. It almost made me want to watch the live action Peggy Carter from Doctor Strange 2, who get cuts in half by Wanda Maximoff (something which is totally plausible, but would never be seen in What If...?)


Thought bro Thor vs the stick in golden child Captain Marvel's arse was one of the best moments tbh.

"You are the pahty poooper!"

For Thor this is leagues better compared to other embarrassing moments, and makes Marvel look kind of lame.

They really did Supreme Strange dirty.

Originally posted by HulkIsHulk
They really did Supreme Strange dirty.


Of course, he's white! Thor, Stark, Stephen, character flaws are for white people.

Not to mention Peter Quill mopping up a Dairy Queen if he wasn't Star Lord. Basically calling Peter a loser who lucked into better things.

Originally posted by cdtm
Not to mention Peter Quill mopping up a Dairy Queen if he wasn't Star Lord. Basically calling Peter a loser who lucked into better things.


Well to be fair it's a different reality. Not our Peter Quill.